If you have the time and you think this is right, please copy and post this anywhere you think is suitable, anywhere you think Gerard might get it. Just feel free to post it anywhere, you don't even have to ask me.
According to MSI's page (as someone said on my most recent blog) MSI is supporting MCR on ALL Eurpoean dates now. Sorry to those of you who thought you wouldn't have to deal with that.
With that in mind, I know Gerard at least lurks the internet so I'm going to offer some advice. Speaking as someone who has watched another go through this.
Gerard, when you are in Europe "partying" (in your words) with your "wife" and her HXC "friends" instead of being with the people who have held onto you for the past six years, remember this. Drugs may be cut differently in Europe and they may be a different purity level from what you're now used to.
Start slow, if possible have someone with you stay sober for the night (not likely I know), KEEP YOUR CELL PHONE ON and have your true friends keep theirs on. Have your passport and other ID with you at all times.
Your message died when you decided to bring this hateful, anti-feminism/anti-acceptance band on tour with you and introduce them to your young audience. But that doesn't mean that you have to die with it.
Good luck.
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Wow. When you put it that way, it's creepy. "I've got a bad feeling about this."
Sadly, I think there's a possibility that Gerard's association with this band is an attempt to break away from his "younger fans." He doesn't want to be included with the so-called "boy bands of pop punk," and of course we know how he feels about being called "emo."
For someone who claims not to care about what people think about him, he's been awfully concerned with labels lately. I'm just hoping he doesn't wind up being labeled a "rock and roll tragedy."
I did my research.
And as much as I hate giving MSI any more publicity, I went to their Myspace and compared their dates with MCR's.
They don't match. Other than the 7 shows that we know about, they have dates on different days, sometimes in different countries.
Links:
http://www.mychemicalromance.com/tour
http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=
blog.view&friendID=2262201&blogID=297865108
^Attach '=' and 'blog' all in one line. Sorry. Blogger doesn't like long links.
I would strongly suggest that you would edit your blog, my dear. You really did worry and upset me for a second. I don't want any others feeling the same way.
Thank you.
Sorry, anon, but you didn't do your research very well. Go to MSI's official website. It's more up-to-date than the myspace.
There are 12 tour dates where they are supporting My Chem, including the UK dates.
Here’s the link for the official MSI tour site.
I starting to think that Frank should become the official spokesperson for the band, and leave Gerard to whatever he wants to do.
I think Frank is more suitable for this role and far more respectful towards people who are willing to invest their time and money on this band. Gerard needs to eat a piece of humble pie. I feel he is replaying his high school years, only this time as the cool kid.
There are 12 tour dates where they are supporting My Chem, including the UK dates.
Oh geezus. So I'll have to endure that after all...
*grumble*
You'd rather see Gerard dead then married and happy with someone else, right LyingVenon?
Absurd.
I don't mean to sound stupid but what does HXC mean?
It sickens me that a band like MSI are actually going to be supporting MCR. It's clear now more than ever that not only is Gerard allowing his personal life to affect his own career, but he's effectively hurting the other members of the band as well.
People are willing to sell their tickets, their willing to walk away from this band forever, because it is not the same band we all fell in love with.
All these tweenies (and admittedly some adults) think that the outrage over Gerard's behaviour of late stems from a deep rooted jealousy over his wife. Are you kidding me? This stems from the fact that we bought into the message of MCR. We listened and felt connected to this man who was "just as messed up" as we were. The respect for women, the public struggle of sobriety. That was what drew me to MCR. Everything MSI clearly stand against. Or maybe trying to set your pubes on fire will be Gerard's next stunt on stage. After all simulated full on masturbation and throwing barf on your fans are mild in comparison.
I have been here from the beginning. I'm not saying people who just discovered the band are any less of fans, I'm just saying I've invested time in this band, and the changes I see in it are NOT for the better.
This band will be lucky to get through another album, let alone tour. I've met them numerous times over the years, both when Gerard was using and when he was sober. His behavior of late is reminding me more and more of those early years when he was using. Of course at least then he had the decency to keep his puke off the fans and saw the people buying his albums as more then a quick buck.
This last meeting was one of the worst expierences of my life. Not just because he had no intrest in talking to any of us, because to be quite honest I was perfectly fine not speaking with him. (sunglasses in doors really tends to turn me off). But I watched the teenage girls walk out of that room in tears because he wouldnt speak to them, wouldnt listen when they started to speak. He simply wanted to leave. And so he did.
Lucky for them Frank was there to save the day. He took the time to talk to EVERYONE. As we were leaving he gave me a hug and said "I'm sorry." I'm still not sure what he was sorry for, but I have my assumptions.
This band is far too talented and has far too much at stake to allow one mans actions to tear them down. I hate to say it, but perhaps the others should jump ship while there's still a lifeboat. It wont be long now before Gerard has left them all in the wake of his own celebrity.
It's just too sad. I applaud you VV for standing up and calling things the way you see them. Keep it up.
Keep it real, V.V. I admire your balls. And your honesty in the face of screaming whiney fannies.
To anon at 5:50 PM:
Sign up. Write a blog.
I would visit you daily.
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this needs to be quoted again and again for it's sheer awesomeness.
hxc = hardcore, by the way.
Anon at 5:50pm:
Hear hear, for everything you said.
Anon @ 5:50 and Easincrucem have already said it all, but I thought I'd say hello. :)
Great blog, VV.
I hope to Christ he actually listens for a change.
(Sure, and vampire bats will fly out my ass.)
Anon at 5:50 PM:
My God, you sound just like me. I've met the band five times - the first at Warped 04, the last during the Black Parade tour. It felt like I met three different Gerards. He was drunk but gracious the first time, sweet and charming the next three times and a complete ass the last time. Frank, on the other hand was always the same - an absolute doll.
Although I went to three different PRs, I didn't even try to meet the band. It just didn't feel right anymore. It's like the band I fell in love with was dead.
I know that Gerard isn't the whole band, but he's the most visible and he's impossible to ignore. I feel so bad for the other guys, but I just can't support MCR as long as Gerard insists on being such a hypocritical douchebag.
I hope Frank goes on to find success with Leathermouth and S//C. He deserves it.
I have not had the pleasure of seeing MCR live nor experience the meet and greet. However I have read all the different stories of people's meeting with the band. At first they talk about how real he was and excited over the fan support - now he just seems bothered by it all. WTF? Why put his fans through that - Doesn't he know that his fans are the direct reason they are on the billboards?
I am so disillusioned.
He has been waving his middle finger to everyone all along. At least he is predictable. All the complaining about his wife's band has just expanded MSI's European tour. She sure must give him good head.
I am disgusted that I will have to endure MSI in November. I know it would never happen, but I would love to see his face if every single MCR fan boycotted the European shows. Maybe then he would understand the damage he is causing.
I saved Shitsubou Shita's blogs before he deleted them and this paragraph in particular sums up how I feel about Gerard taking his fans for granted and treating us as if we are a nuisance he has to put up with, the downside of the job.
These aren't just nameless, faceless strangers, these are real people with real lives and real feelings. These are the people that allowed us to bring our music into their lives. These are the people that we see on tour, the people that wait outside for hours in the cold and rain just to meet us, the people that write us letters and make us scrapbooks, the people who care enough to bake us cookies and brownies, the people that send us birthday cards and bizarre, crazy ass gifts, the people that have given us their love and support, the people that cheer us on, the people that made us.
These are the words of an unassuming, humble man who is clearly still blown away by the level of fame and touched by the love and support of the fans. Gerard would be well advised to listen to those words. MCR would not be where they are today without us. We made this band and if we chose to, we could destroy it. If he continues to behave this way, he will alienate his fans and as soon as the money stops rolling in, MCR will be dropped. It's the other four members of MCR I feel sorry for.
To easincrucem @ 12:22 on Oct. 3:
I have thought about that possibility - trying to break free of the "OMGZ Gerard!" cult.
To Anon @ 3:37 pm on Oct. 3:
Good thought... I think Ray would be the best suited myself.
Anon @ 5:50 on Oct. 3:
My sentiments exactly! Ray, Frank, Bob, and Mikey as well, should all jump ship - all are very talented and would be successful in any band.
[i]I am disgusted that I will have to endure MSI in November. I know it would never happen, but I would love to see his face if every single MCR fan boycotted the European shows. Maybe then he would understand the damage he is causing.[/i]
I thought that a while ago myself. It would make my LIFE. Honestly, you have no idea how big a statement that would be. Maybe something would finally go through his head. If not, then the band members will certainly bring something up for once.
Unfortunately, we both know that will never happen. Never.
One of the MSI/MCR shows is actually sold out.
I just got a mental image of them on a stage with just like 12 MSI fans at the whole gig and tumbleweed rolling by and some guy sweeping the floor with a big broom! Their faces would be priceless!
Seriously though, I kinda wish MSI were on AFTER MCR, I feel sure the place would empty pretty quickly and that would be hilarious!
That, my friend, would be priceless.
Hi it's Anon 5:50, I was just too lazy to sign in last night.
I wish everyone could have the chance to meet Frank, of all the times I've met them he continues to amaze me with his sheer love of his fans. He gives great hugs as well. Nothing fake about that man at all.
Run Frankie Run!
However great the head is that Lyn-Z is giving...I'm sure that I would be better...now he'll never know though...I'm done!
I usually think it's absolutely disrespectful and plain mean to boo at bands on stage, no matter what kind of music they play. I never boo...
...but now that I have to endure MSI in London, I'm 100% willing to make an exception. Hell, I'll even bring a big "Get off the stage, MSI!" sign. But then I'd be beaten down.
Geez, I was SO thankful for not having to see them...and now it's all ruined. But having them on stage at least an opportunity to point my middle finger at them. Fuck MSI.
And I'd do anything to meet Frank, he seems so sincere and sweet. And I think he actually gives a damn what the fans think about this...unlike some other people.
God I just want the old Gerard back.
I want the old Gerard back as well. You better believe next time I meet the bastard again, I will speak my mind.
Lecture him, TBC.
Maybe something will get through.
I'll take out Worm, don't worry.
At the bottom of this page, I'm posting a link to a blog on INO. Read it, please.
And if you don't want to, here's the summary:
My Chemical Romance's influences include Iron Maiden, Megadeth, and Slayer. And their message is equal to, if not more "zOMG! Druggie anti-feminist homophobe alert!" than Mindless Self Indulgence.
Your tips, Veritavenom, should Gerard ever read this, will either save his life or hurt his feelings deeply.
I don't know which one I want it to be, because both have pros and cons. The first one, should it happen, would be bad in that it would mean Gee is back on the coke. But his life would be saved!
The second one would be bad, because we want Gerard to feel supported, and knowing that his fans don't trust him is certainly hurtful. But it would mean that he isn't on drugs, which is great!
Honestly, if this weren't anonymous, and you were face-to-face with Gee, would you be so blunt about it? I seriously would like to know.
I don't know why it didn't show in that previous comment. But here it is....
And for the record, you seem to have no hope left in you. If he is on coke (and what I've seen tells me otherwise), you should be supporting his recovery, not getting angry, losing hope, and writing hateful/badly thought out blogs.
Honestly, if this weren't anonymous, and you were face-to-face with Gee, would you be so blunt about it? I seriously would like to know.
Honestly, I know that I would. I really wish that I had the chance to speak with him face to face. He has enough people kissing his ass what he needs is people telling him the truth, good or bad, but the honest truth.
I have hope left, or I wouldn't be here. I would give up and walk away. But I still care about him and this band and I worry for him. I will always be here to support him to the end. I'm just scared of what the end may be...
But I rarely seem to hear a "please, Gerard, don't destroy your life. The fans are begging you." I hear "be careful of the European coke." If you thought there was really hope, wouldn't you be pushing the "drugs ruined your life before, they can ruin it again" argument?
Here's the deal Miss Shadows, even if anyone of us who would gladly give Gerard a piece of our mind given the chance, could get into the same room with the man, you'd have about three seconds to spill everything before Worm comes bounding over to send you on your way.
Gerard doesn't want to hear what any of us have to say. Period.
@ farting in the shadows:
Honestly, have you ever tried talking to an addict? You can beg, plead, cry... nothing works until that person is willing to own up to what he or she is doing.
Addicts hide things, they lie, they don't listen and most of all, they deny, deny, deny.
Concern doesn't work. Love doesn't work. Nothing works. I know this from the experience of watching someone I loved slowly slip away from me and now that person is dead.
I'll have hope when Gerard starts to act like he thinks his life is worth something again. Right now I just don't see that.
There's hope, but there is also the reality of the present situation. At this time, Mr. Way is determined to continue down the road he is on, and ignoring everyone who is telling him to stop and the "drugs ruined your life before and they will again" pleas. So, out of concern, she warned him of the european coke, because she doesn't want to see him dead. Neither do I. My worst fear is waking up to a report on the news...
I hope that he will get help before it's too late, but the reality of the present time is that he doesn't think he has a problem. Still I hope that he will be careful.
But the effects would kick in much faster this time around! Something tells me that if he was back on coke and alcohol, he'd hit rock bottom much faster than last time. And I saw them at New Jersey, and Gee didn't look anywhere near rock bottom. Wasn't rock bottom depression, and barely being able to stand up last time? Well, that's not how I remember Projekt Rev.
And while addicts are rock solid until they own up, "be careful of European coke" is sort of a mixed message.
Whoever wrote that part about Iron Maiden etc., has never listened to those bands. That doesn't surprise me in the least however. (I'm currently trying to imagine Iron Maiden or Megadeth writing "bitches and ho's" music. Hilarious.)
So, Farting, you don't mind what I'm saying, you just don't like how I say it? Well that's just too bad I guess.
But the effects would kick in much faster this time around! Something tells me that if he was back on coke and alcohol, he'd hit rock bottom much faster than last time.
You're wrong. When addicts pick up the second, third, forth time out of desperation ro hopelessness or whatever compels them, they're often better at hiding it this time around. Getting hooked once is bad. Seeking help, telling everyone you're great, and then falling off the wagon is worse, it's something to hide, it means you see yourself as a failure and you're willing to go to any lengths to hide it.
And if you can't hide it (which Gerard obviously can't, not from the people who know him and surely not from the people who are addicts or have lived with addicts,) they just disconnect. Stop answering the phone, stop listening to the people who helped them the first time. They just hide with their new addict friends.
The only thing left to do is get pissed at them. And after that, the only thing left to do is let them be. You hope that they live. But if they don't then it's no big surprise, because you already gave up on them.
Unfortunately FITS, I had a very different experience than yours at PR. He's headed for rock bottom very soon and that saddens me.
I don't see it as a mixed message, it's just saying, "Look, I know you know I wish you wouldn't do that shit, but since you're stubborn enough to do it anyway, I want you be careful."
It's the only thing you can say while beating your head in frustration against a wall.
I think I'm going to leave this discussion. I saw what I saw at PR, but if I stay here too long I get too angry, and that really does wonders for intelligent discussion.
FITS, there's no reason to be angry. Everyone here has their own opinion on whether or not Gerard's using again (I am still fence-sitting on that one) based on what they've seen at shows, how he's acted when they've met him, how his recent behavior compares to that of addicts we've known (family and other loved ones), etc. Everyone's opinion is valid, including yours.
No one's trying to running you off just because they may disagree with you. You're mistaking debate for personal insult.
I really wish the other members in the band would stand up and say something about whether or not they agree with MSI touring with them! I do not see them agreeing with this AT ALL! Frank, Bob, Mikey, and Ray have ALL worked just as hard as Gerard to make MCR a success. Why would they go along with this and watch him shit on the image they have worked so damn hard to build all these years?
To the anon @ 12.36 A.M.
Probably the reason the rest of the band are muzzled is that the diva vocalist is emotionally blackmailing them. And I wonder why? Obviously years of butt kissing him have taken their toll.
Something along these lines may be occurring, If they don't come (MSI), I don't sing etc. Unfortunately Gerard's profile with the band gives it their identity, and without him there really is no MCR. And he knows this.
To anon @ 2:52
I think you might be right. I do have a large amount of respect for Ray & Frank and hate that they have to deal with any of this BS! Maybe it's just time for My Chemical Romance to end? I would rather it end than Gerard loose his life. At least that way the other guys in the band can bow out with respect while they still can.
What really confuses me is the "If they tour with a band like MSI, it will kill My Chem's message" logic. It doesn't make sense to me.
Shadows:
I think the concensus is that MCR have "preached" a message for 6 years. No violence, respect for women, respect for fellow human-beings, etc. People feel that if MCR tours with MSI, a band who doesn't in any way lyrically (I cannot account for their onstage banter, as I've not heard any. But I have read their lyrics.) represent the mindset of the members of MCR. Or at least the mindset they've "preached" to us at every concert, every interview, anytime Gerard or one of the guys could fit it in. Now they tour with a band that doesn't represent that, so people feel that their message didn't mean anything, for if it had, they wouldn't be touring with MSI.
Hopefully that was a little helpful.
Yeah, but MSI and My Chem are 2 different bands. Just because they tour together, doesn't cancel out their message. Couldn't it go the other way around, if it really works that way? Is it not possible for My Chemical Romance to cancel out MSI's message?
I personally, am starting to like Mindless Self Indulgence. My cousin introduced me to them in late July, and I can't say that every lyric is a spew of hate. Perhaps some of the lyrics are there for shock value. Sort of like how Cradle Of Filth sometimes allude to Satanism, but are not bleeding heart satanists.
To answer farting in the shadows...
http://veritavenom.blogspot.com/2007/09/my-chemical-romance-is-dead.html
Just read VV's blog here and if you still don't see why, then I give up on you.
also i've never heard of a "bleeding heart satanist" LOL.
I've already read that post, and I still don't see how bringing MSI on tour automatically kills My Chem's message. Once again, they are 2 different bands. 2 different bands, 2 different genres.
Just because HIM was at PR, doesn't mean they'll start rapping like Linkin Park, and it doesn't mean their message has anything to do with LP's.
MCR didn't choose the bands on PR.
Now they have chosen to bring MSI to show off to their young fanbase. How nice is it that their thirteen year old fans have to listen to this band talk about "bitches" and getting women on their knees, and five year old girls spreading their legs?
You say you read that post, but I don't think you read it through. This isn't MY opinion on lyrics like that, it's Gerard's own opinion. Those are things HE said when he spoke out against certain song lyrics.
Plain and simple, it makes him a hypocrite.
Shadows,
When I was young and started hanging out with 'the wrong crowd' I argued with my parents "that was them and I am my own person." That is when my father taught me the lesson "If you hang around jerk's then other people who don't know you are going to identify you as a jerk." Now as a adult with my own children I see the validity in this statement.
Example- If I believe that selling drugs is wrong and constantly preach against it, yet all my friends are drug dealers, what does that say about me? It would make me a hypocrit and people would no longer believe in my anti-drug preaching and maybe think that I was only saying those things to save face. Maybe they would even think I am a drug dealer too?
You are what you surround yourself with! Because of this, Gerard is a jerk.
Verita, I would like to bring this to your attention.
I asked many fans via Myspace that went to the Mexico show 2 days ago if they could give me a brief explanation of what happened. All except one said pretty much the same thing. They wore their costumes, Mikey was there, Gerard did a chicken dance, etc.
This one stood out to me.
"It was great!! the stage was incredible! Mikey thank god was there ^^ Gerard said that he want to see more violence xD! And that he was very impress with the mexican fans and that we should be ashamed of ourselves jaja, he asked if anyone knew a better drummer that Bob.. They were wearing ordinary clothes.. it wasn't the BP outfits(well they were kind of similar but not like in the video of the black parade).. then when they start playing the Three Cheers For Sweet Regenge songs they changed their outfits to the outfits they used to wear in that time..
It was wow!! really great! what surprise me the most was that they bring a keyboardist (i don't know if that's the name for someone that plays keyboards) and a plate like those chinesse things!!
The stage was great too.. special effects and fire!! fire! gerard is amazing live! everyone was great!
I took a video but it looks like crap xD! And the ppl is screaming to hard that gerard barely can be heard."
-FT
FITS, the whole reason people are upset with MCR bringing MSI in as a supporting act is because MSI are, as you say, a completely opposite band from MCR not only in the lyrical content of their music, but in the music itself.
PR was and always has been Linken Park's baby. The entire concept is to bring bands togther who wouldnt normally share a bill, which is why no one here is saying what a shame it was that MCR and MSI happened to be on the same tour, that and MCR were not involved in signing bands to PR.
They are however responsible for the bands they bring on their OWN tour. The whole point of an opening act is that they share a common musical style with you and you are giving them a large audience to help build their own fanbase. MSI are a disgusting band. Their live shows have been riddled with Jimmy Urine insulting his own fans and trying to set his pubes on fire.
They don't mix. If he hadnt married a member of the band I can promise you MCR would never have invited them on tour and helped increase their album sales.
I hope that's cleared up some confusion for you.
Veritavenom,
As long as we are on the subject of Mexico I have something to share with you about the signing yesterday. A friend of mine was there and what happend to her is quite sad. It is not my place to share this with everyone but think I can trust that you will keep it confidential to an extent.
I am the one who just asked to add you as a friend on BN. If you would like to hear what happend to her please add me as a friend so I can send you a private message. Thank you.
^I didn't get any requests in my inbox. Let me sign onto BN and see if I have it there.
No requests there at all, perhaps I can find another way for you to contact me. Or instead, could you post your contact info and I'll get in touch with you?
Sorry! I sent you a private message on BN but I had to delete my friend request for reasons I explained in my message. The msg should be there for you so let me know when you get it! I'm on your side. Thanks.
I was at the MCR concert in Bratislava on the 30th of october. The first tthnig that surprised me a lot was the number of fans - the place was hardly half full (the original venue was to be a lot smaller but the management decided to move it). there were actually some slovak bands playnig before MSI and MCR, and i have to admit that they were great, they treated us like fans should be treated (one girl came on the stage and sang with the singer their song:). after, MSI came and to tell the truth i didnt like it very much. They were quite pervy especially the singer (he did a lot of starnge things with the microphone which were supposed to be funny but werent and some people actaully started yelling at them to fuck off) and he also managed to offend us in a way (concerning slovak people not speaking english etc) althought probably not many people realize it cause the sound system wasn't very good. However i survived it and prayed for MCR to come. They did but the result didnt fulfill my expectations. There actaully wasnt any close contact with the fans, it seemed to me that they wanted to do it as fast as possible and just leave. I know that a lot of people were quite excited about seeing them live but i can compare it cause i saw them during summer at Projekt Revolution and it was better. And Gerard looks different, i mean not bad, but he's so thin and doesnt have any make up and has the same expression during the whole show like he sees something behind the audience that nobody can see...
I realy thought that i'm just being paranoic or something cause it seemed to me that no one esle noticed that maybe something is going on so i started to look around the internet and i found all this fans being even more worried than me...what makes me being more worried too:(
I just hope they will manage to solve this out somehow...I dont feel like this should be their end:((
MCR would not be where they are today without us. We made this band and if we chose to, we could destroy it. If he continues to behave this way, he will alienate his fans and as soon as the money stops rolling in, MCR will be dropped.
I'm obviously a little late, but just thought it needed to be said: listen to Thank you for the Venom and then GTFO out of my fandom.
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