(It's funny how Frances did become that "death rocker" and who encourages her to be that way).
Tuesday, November 25, 2008
"I can't stand the thought of Frances becoming the miserable, self-destructive, death rocker that I've become"
It's great when rock stars who drink and have done drugs and maybe still drink, get together to create "rock royalty"..... Congratulations and good luck.
(It's funny how Frances did become that "death rocker" and who encourages her to be that way).
(It's funny how Frances did become that "death rocker" and who encourages her to be that way).
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I think the first word from the baby will be "like".
I think it will be sharpie.
Or "Put".
As in "Put me up for adoption!".
It will sharpie that on it's neck
Here is a link to the lj comm chemicalromance, where a volunteer from Bob's shelter is giving out a Chicago zip code to help people cheat so they can win.
I don't think celebrities have any business doing this sort of thing. If they want to give to charity, fine. But they shouldn't be manipulating their fans like this, especially ones who are young and vulnerable. He's teaching them that it's okay to cheat. That can't be good.
What an inspiration Bob the Knob is.
But I doubt anyone want to hear her get mad at being called Mrs Gerard Way because it over shadowed her hard work. That also goes with her saying she can play in any band and no one can do what she does. That sounds more like ego and stupidity.
Because no-one who had spent six months being attacked and shit-talked would be in the least bit defensive about themselves and what they do.
Honestly, it wouldn't surprise me a bit if Lindsey was planning to quit MSI.
The band as a whole is winding up. Got to have a plan for after the band ends.
"Because no-one who had spent six months being attacked and shit-talked would be in the least bit defensive about themselves and what they do."
Lynz seems really over the top about it and the only reason people like us are "shit-talking" her is because of her actions, we're not just pulling things out of the sky. If Lynz wanted to prove what a strong women she was, she should have just ignored it, instead, she came off as bitchy and ungrateful. Besides, I think she got a lot more "fans" than she did "haters".
"Because no-one who had spent six months being attacked and shit-talked would be in the least bit defensive about themselves and what they do."
Gerard and Lindsey could have avoided most of that "shit talk" had they refrained from turning Projekt Revolution 2007 into the Gee N LynZ Summer of Sharpie Love Circus. Regardless, people in the public eye need to have thicker skins than that. Shit talk comes with the territory.
Lindsey chose to say the things that she said. She chose to contradict herself and to "redefine" feminism until it suited her retarded purpose. She chose to be in a band that spewed hatred towards gays, african americans and women.
So if people have things to say about someone who thinks that "LOL BITCHES N*GGERS AND F*GGOTS!!!!111" is awesome, well then tough titty. You know? Denigrate and insult entire groups of people based on race, gender or sexual preference and you're going to get called on it.
Anonymous said...
But I doubt anyone want to hear her get mad at being called Mrs Gerard Way because it over shadowed her hard work. That also goes with her saying she can play in any band and no one can do what she does. That sounds more like ego and stupidity.
Because no-one who had spent six months being attacked and shit-talked would be in the least bit defensive about themselves and what they do.
December 30, 2008 6:59 AM
She is the person who pointed out that she couldn't play in the first place. She said she can't play for shit but she can back bend.
She is also the one who at the PR tour thought along with Gerard it would be a good idea to advertise her relationship. Than go out on tour with her husband's band after doing that.
She brought most of that shit on herself. If she didn't want to be known just for being his wife she shouldn't have gone out on tour with him. Also it was the magazine that did most of the interviews with her that started the whole Mrs. Gerard Way thing. She should have bitched to them off the record about it. Or said that she wouldn't do the interview until they stopped doing that shit.
Now instead of saying all the stupid bullshit she has been saying she could have shown all of us that she can really play the bass. Get up on the stage wearing a t shirt and jeans and just play. It is that fucking simply. She is already going to be up there. But instead she said a lot of stupid shit and she is getting ripped a new one just like everyone else in the public eye that has opened their mouth before thinking.
Anonymous said...
Here is a link to the lj comm chemicalromance, where a volunteer from Bob's shelter is giving out a Chicago zip code to help people cheat so they can win.
I don't think celebrities have any business doing this sort of thing. If they want to give to charity, fine. But they shouldn't be manipulating their fans like this, especially ones who are young and vulnerable. He's teaching them that it's okay to cheat. That can't be good.
December 30, 2008 5:17 AM
I hope they took that post down the way they did with the NIN one calling what Bob did a dick move.
I think after this internet voting she be over hauled. That way it is harder for shit like this to happen. I am also sure that volunteer knew what they were doing was wrong.
Dear Lord. My favorite part is when it teaches you how to do a backbend, cause seriously, that shit could come in handy.
The first part of doing a backbend is to spread your legs apart - should that page really be telling young girls to do that.
"LynZ is called the Bass Princess afterall."
AAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAA.
Though I must admit, considering who wrote it (99% chance MCR fangirl), it has good grammar and spelling overall.
The sad thing is, teenage girls everyhwere are probably following it word for word.
You may want to consider lightening your skin tone (lemons work wonders)
i bet that same advice is all over twilight messageboards
So, in order to make things right over the whole animal shelter thing, Bob posts a link to a video on youtube of a jonas brother tripping over onstage. And that makes everything all right how??
It doesn't, but it will divert the fangirls attention away from him being a jackass.
It might also divert the fangirls over to the Jonas bothers camp.
how to be like Lindsey wow. They forgot the not bathing part
Jonas Brothers killed this blog.
Somebody edited it to say
7. Don't take a bath for a week.
^_^
Dear Lord. My favorite part is when it teaches you how to do a backbend, cause seriously, that shit could come in handy.
December 30, 2008 9:37 AM
I went to that site and added "Dont take a bath for a week" What's sad, her fans might follow that advice. LOL!
That was me....i couldn't help myself!
Damn, they took it down already.I guess they didn't like to hear the truth.
MCR fans on the whole don't seem to like that.
Well, they were painted pretty pictures in the first place...
what the fuck is Gerard talking about on twitter? what is he high or something?
I don't know about the jeep think but Voltaire is that x mas video he did.
You should just keep adding the don't bathe thing.
Go read it now. LOL!
Done. :)
I just clicked on the link bob posted on mcr website, i was trying to avoid it but since i read here it was about the jonas brothers and one of them falling. haha i couldn't help but watch it
anyway the comments on that vid are soooooooooooooooooooo annoying, all mentioning bob, "bob told me bla bla, thx bob, oh bob you made my day bob this bob that" come onnn. so pathetic!
i believe the fans think bob will read their msgs and then he will know who they are and some sort of miracle will happen.
Did anyone else see this is posted at the top,
This article has been nominated for deletion with the reason of:
hahaha keep up the good work ,anon!.
I see other things have been added to that Wikihow... very funny. Very FIERCE!
LOL i love it. it's good that wikihow doesn't encourage mindless creepy copying of celebritys.
no pun intended.
that page has only been read 46 times
Damn, I added to it, but it's now been blocked from being added.
Oh well it was entertaining for a bit.
Boo.
Boo to you too
wikihow is a kill joy :(
What I find interesting is how fast they got rid of everything on wikihow. On plain wiki I would see things up for days about MCR being gay.
Was the Lynz wikihow deleted?
Apparently it was deleted. It's not there anymore.
Looks like it was.
Somehow I don't think Lindsey would approve of being called a bass princess. It's so totally not hxc.
But it fits. The bass princess name because in most fairy tales the princess is useless and can't do shit. A man has to come along and save her.
Somehow Gerard Way doesn't fit my concept of a prince. Maybe they can be princesses together?
They're a couple of frogs if you ask me.
Lindsey doesn't fit my concept of a princess The roles would have to be reversed. But Gerard has some talent. He is hiding it behind his stupidity right now. He would have to be the prince
They are from the mirror universe where everything is the opposite.
They're from the Wonky Way universe where absolutely nothing makes sense.
Wonky Way Universe. I like that. It fits.
Bob is begging us to buy something...
Wow, I just randomly came across this interview from the 08/07/07 Atlanta PR show. To answer your earlier questions, if you look at Lynz's picture, she did have 8-6-7 written on her.
That is, without a doubt, the most disgusting thing I've EVER seen!!
Does he want people to buy it for a joke?
So, yeah. The two of them had to realize that fans would think they were advertising the date of their first... encounter.
I'm even more disgusted about them than usual - and that's saying something.
Maybe Bob just wants to see if people will go on ebay and say "I'm bidding on this because Bob told me to."
Lyn Z: I truly do not know the lyrics.
Wow. Do you think she know anything at all?
Lyn Z: I drink when I wake up in the morning. It just paints a picture.
Holy friggin' shit!
Wow I just don't know what to say about them right now.
You gotta be kidding me. I doubt that anyone is gonna bid on a car like that. And it's funny because one of the tips ebay has posted about buying a used car from there is never have your money wired.
That would include using
Western union, and that's one of the payment options Bob prefers.
Haha.
Are Bob and Gerard Twittering to each other in code?
Where are your favorite places to play?
England! Amsterdam was cool but we love England. It's great hearing the crowds singing along.
Jimmy: They think 'awesome' and 'radical' is cool to say... which its... not. (In his best English accent) "That was fucking awesome mate!"
As an English girl, I have to say: Jimmy if you're going to mock us then don't fucking come to our country, you piece of shit.
*tackles & squeezes BC*
I wonder why those quotes aren't used at the Lynz fansite. why wasn't the drinking when you wake up used as a how to be like lynz
5:11,
I think that was the reason why Chester from LP might have said he was never going to invite those two bands back on the PR tour, because of those two making a mockery out of it.
As an English girl, I have to say: Jimmy if you're going to mock us then don't fucking come to our country, you piece of shit.
He mocked the crowd like crazy at the show in London last November. I'm surprised someone didn't throw something at him.
*tackles and super squeezes RW*
Where have you been young lady? I miss your squeezes :)
q101.com yesterday posted an interview with GW talking about the upcoming album. I can't seem to find it.
Hi, BC :) How've you been?
BC I know Chester said something about not wanting an emo punk fest again but did he really say he didn't want MCR and msi back on the PR tour.
RW, if only they were performing at Download, or at Reading, I'd probably would have laughed at seeing them get bottled.
I know it's evil, but still.
Too bad barely no one was interested in their performance, but I guess that will have to do for now.
I guess Jimmy thinks it's cool to bite the hand that feeds him.
MJ, not sure, I just remembered him saying something like the next PR wasn't gonna be like the one from last year.
He was probably embarrassed.
Hell, I spent over $100 for a pit ticket, just so I can see GW make an ass of himself on stage? I don't think so.
That will be the first and last time I spend that much money on them.
*squeezes RW again*
I am doing okay RW, looking forward to the new year. How about you?
Chester said he was going to take "more serious" bands on the next (2008) PR tour. He said something about wanting to mix it up a little, with different genres - which a lot of people took to mean he wasn't going to fill the bill with a bunch of emo bands.
I can't help but think that the "more serious" comment was directed toward MSI and MCR.
I think we heard the same interview. Where he said it would be a emo punk fest. I think the only people who felt those shows where great where mcr fangirls
I'm good, thanks, BC :) I'm also looking forward to the new year. I'm hoping it won't be a repeat of the crap year that 2008 was.
Wow, I wonder how Lindsey's drinking when she gets up in the morning fits in with Gerard's "sobriety"?
http://q101.com
/music/musicnews/home3.aspx
I think this is what your referring to BC, if you scroll down to the bottom.
Maybe Gerard took LynZ to an AA meeting on 8/6/07. Maybe that's her sobriety birthday.
I think if that were the case she would have come out and said she wasn't drinking anymore.
maybe 8/6/07 was when Gerard broke his sobriety so he could wake up and have a drink with that asshole he calls a wife.
I think that's more likely^
Maybe 8/6/07 is the day Gerard decided to drop his "nice guy" facade and let his inner douchebaggery come out.
if drinking is the first thing Lindsey does in the morning, then she has a serious drinking problem. i really hope that she has ended her morning ritual for that poor baby's sake.
I love that Linkin Park is talking about getting more serious bands on tour with them, with own their cliché, daddy-didn't-love-me-enough lyrics.
IMO.
Yes, well I didn't see Chester or Mike with sharpie messages to the love of their lives scrawled all over them. And they were't showing off their hickies and shoving their hands down their pants. And they weren't wearing a sherriff's badge on their black long sleeved jacket (in 100+ degree heat) to show everyone they were getting laid.
I could go on, but I think you get my drift.
Time for me to turn in.
Night, all :)
Speaking of long sleeves and jackets, I remember Gerard doing an interview for Warped 05 where he talked about how the band had to change their wardrobe that year because he couldn't take the heat in a jacket like he had done at Warped 04. He said it must have been the drinking that kept him from feeling the heat.
i have never gotten the "i'm full of shit and so are my lyrics" vibe from Chester like i do with Gerard. Chester had a really fucked up life. he was molested when he was younger and has a lot of inner demons. i think Gerard makes up half of his tragic sob story of a life.
Goodnight RW :)
Thanks 5:39! 5:32, I seriously believe that comment was indeed directed at both of those bands.
Look how much ridicule they brung on the tour. Someone had to say something, considering LP are the ones responsible for creating PR, correct?
Besides that, Chester can fucking sing. He's nothing short of amazing live. One of the best vocalists I've ever seen.
Damn straight, 6:11. I saw them live and was fucking blown away. Couldn't say the same for MCR.
Did you enjoy Mike Shinoda as much as I did, 6:17? He just looked like he was having so much fun on the stage. He had a huge smile on his face the entire set and was really interacting with the crowd.
None of the members of MCR looked like they were having fun. I don't remember them even looking up from their instruments. And Gerard was too busy being a jackass to interact with anybody.
all of MCR acted very unprofessional during the PR tour. i remember Ray being drunk for a few gigs. people show up to see and hear a good show. they don't show up to see an asshole of a lead singer and a drunk guitar player.
night rw
Lp brought that shit of a tour on themselves. They knew what kind of a band msi were. If it hadn't of been the Gerard I am fucking Lindsey show it would have been msi doing some other stupid ass shit.
People have said that msi put on a great show but you have to look at the content of the show and who is saying it's a great show
I didn't see MSI at PR. It was over a hundred degrees outside that day and there was no covering for the audience at the Revolution Stage. I think a lot of people by-passed the bands who played the second stage on PR. Most of the people who suffered through the heat and sun to see MSI were probably already fans of the "band".
Things might be totally different right now if Linkin Park hadn't taken MSI out with them.
you never can tell, 6:40. they might be exactly the same. lindsey might have had gerard's email and phone number. she could have just sent him some clever emails and some "proactive" pictures.
6:22,
I agree. When I saw MCR, none of them looked like they were having fun, and through most of the performance, GW kept his distance from the rest of the members.
He looked like he was drunk.
BC,
The only person who seemed to be making any effort at my PR was Matt Cortez. Nobody (except Gerard) moved around much and nobody in the band looked at anybody else in the band. And Gerard strutted across the stage in the most arrogant way. I've seen MCR lots of times and he's never been so obnoxious.
I might have blamed the heat, but TBS played before MCR and they were all over the stage. All of them. And they were smiling and interacting and having fun. Same with Linkin Park.
I remember asking my friend if she thought Gerard was on drugs again.
what did your friend think?
Anonymous said...
you never can tell, 6:40. they might be exactly the same. Lindsey might have had Gerard's email and phone number. she could have just sent him some clever emails and some "proactive" pictures.
December 30, 2008 6:44 PM
I don't see that happening because Gerard would have been going after some other chic who he saw walking off a bus somewhere.
I don't see that happening because Gerard would have been going after some other chic who he saw walking off a bus somewhere
lol. and he would given her this look, like he thought he knew her...
7:10
My friend said she thought he'd always been on drugs. But then my friend hadn't liked MCR since before TBP.
She did say she thought MCR's performance was one of the worst ones she'd ever seen.
yes, I did, 6:22. He kept joking with the crowd and came off the stage at one point and stood on the barrier, it was awesome. At the end of the show, Chester went around and gave eveyone up front a hug. It was the best show I ever went to.
He would have offered her a small t shirt even thought she has never been a small anything.
and then she would have cut his hair and become best friends with mikey...
He will text message her all the time but that doesn't mean anything because He has a "girlfriend" who he loves very much.
oh, but she'll manipulate him and overpower him in a wrestling match, which will leave him no choice but to sleep with her...
of course afterwards he'll tell her that nothing has changed because he still loves his girlfriend...
After that I don't remember to much from the story. Didn't she go stay at his brothers house and have a pillow fight.
something like that. i think maybe that's when the wrestling match occurred. i thought the part about her beating him was hilarious. i mean, "emma" doesn't look all that strong to me. "paul" must be a total weenie.
He wants to be owned so he did it so she could win and he could get laid.
i don't know what girls see in him. he seems almost asexual to me. i don't think i could...even if he were the last man on earth.
*shudders and goes to look for brain bleach*
well mj, it looks like everyone else has gone off to bed. i imagine i should do so myself.
it was nice talking to you, although i really do need that brain bleach.
goodnight. :)
Hahaha I think the asexual thing is what the girls like. He man you don't have to worry about.
Here is some brain bleach.
Have a good night
link
Does anyone have a copy of Eliza's story? Like Martha, I can't remember it well and I need a laugh. Her spelling alone is a riot.
I have an "edited copy" (translation: readable) saved on my hard drive. It seems like I got it from somebody's lj. I'll try to find it.
6:58,
Lucky you. Matt Cortez wasn't at my PR, but he was at one other MCR show I attended before. He's pretty cute too ^_^
But yes, TBS was fun to watch, not to mention the frontman actually took the time to interact with the crowd. That was the day they introduced the new drummer.
Goodnight anon :)
Thank you. I think it's better that I get it edited into English instead of having to translate from Bunny Boiler.
Okay here is the journal where I got my copy. Link.
"aggressive" sound of a live performance. I don't think you could get a live sounding performance on a studio album.
I am getting a bad feeling. He needs to stop with the concepts for a bit. Because "aggressive" sound of a live performance, sounds like a concept to me.
Thank you 8:22!!! oxoxo
"aggressive" sound of a live performance. I don't think you could get a live sounding performance on a studio album.
Thing is, they're terrible live. I mean, when they're onstage running all over the place and you can look at them, it makes for a decent show - except in the case of PR where they did nothing to make a good show. But musically, they aren't always that tight and Gerard's voice is mediocre at best and most of the time just downright sucks live.
I just don't see how that would translate on CD or why they would even want to.
If Gerard thinks they really "sound great" onstage, then he's even crazier than I thought.
You're welcome, 8:25. Glad to be of service.
Nice chatting with you all. Nite.
i just saw a video interview with him about TUA, and he's still under the delusion that the band and comic are and have been kept separate by both himself and dark horse. the best part was that Helena was playing in the intro.
Nite anon
That is what bugs me about the whole dark horse/msi thing. No one wants to admit that both the comic and msi are doing so well because of MCR.
Lindsey and her group would still underground.
8:37 in business everyone uses what they can to their advantage
As long as you are the person who did the hard work I don't see any problem using your work in other areas to get your foot in the door. Just don't act like it has nothing to do or is separate from your band.
if he really wanted it totally separate, he shouldve used a pen name. like Garry. or Gerald. or Nigel.
Paul you forgot Paul. Even better he could have called himself Emma
i think Gerry has used Garry's before
Lyn Z: I drink when I wake up in the morning. It just paints a picture.
Yeah, I think I've seen that picture before. It's called alcoholism.
Although, I get the feeling that probably isn't 100% true. I think she just wanted to sound "hxc".
She probably does. As someone once said there is nothing else to do but drink on tour. And the drink she had in the bra
she is not a very good example of "hxc"
i was under the impression punk rock was a modern philosophical movement which started off with rebellion and moved on to espouse personal change.
i think that's how straight edge evolved.
As time goes by and the movement become better know it gets water down. now people who just have dyed hair, mo hawks, ripped clothing and don't like the mainstream will call themselves punk.
yes
true punk is more of a mindset than appearance
hxc punx killed this blog.
hxc any thing killed the blog
:)
hxc punx with her ysl bag
Okay sorry I was making something to eat.
There is nothing better than a hxc punx who are in the only real in music today having $1500 handbags. But than again In LA spending only $1500 on a ysl bag would make you a hxc punx
She is the person who pointed out that she couldn't play in the first place.
She said she couldn't play when she started. Like every other person, male or female, who has played in a band.
She said she can't play for shit but she can back bend.
She said that she's not the world's best bass player, which with exception of one person, neither is any other bassist. Admitting to not being perfect and making mistakes (like all bassists) isn't admitting to being a shit bass player. Besides you've bitched her out for saying she's a good bass player and you've bitched her out for saying that she's not the world's best, what is supposed to say to satisfy you?
she could have shown all of us that she can really play the bass.
Why does she have to prove that she can really play? Why are you not asking for proof from anyone else who has said they can play a decent bass?
Get up on the stage wearing a t shirt and jeans and just play.
How will clothing have any effect on her playing ability?
She has been in a band, getting up on the stage and playing for six years. You come along, demand she (and only she) prove her ability to play bass, dictate what clothes she wears before she is acceptable to you and you are the one claiming that she has a bad grasp of feminism?
What she said wasn't that she wasn't a perfect play or that she couldn't play when she first started.
She said she knows she is a shitty bass player but she can back bend like no one else and that can't be taken away from her. I am not getting after her for being a bad bass player, I am going after her because she doesn't even try to become a good bass player she wear a costume and flashing her under wear at people to get pass her lack of playing skill.
I said to wear a shirt and jeans so that it was known that she was taking playing the bass seriously and not doing her usual loli pantie flash act.
If she is going to bitch about people saying she can't play than she needs to prove she can play. I don't call anyone else out because they don't go around saying that no one else can do what she does and that she can play in any band.
Like I said all she has to do is show me that she can really play.
Seven years, actually.
Six years in a band. so what she still can't really do anything but bend back wards and show her underwear.
Also I am getting after her for saying that no one else can do what she can do. And that right there is bullshit. There will always be someone better than you at something. Especially if you don't even try to get better at what you do.
6 or 7 what does it matter if you still play like you did when you first picked up the bass.
P.S Feminist want to be known for their work and not their body. Clothes do play a part in what people think of you.
"She said she couldn't play when she started. Like every other person, male or female, who has played in a band."
Ermm... most of those people can, however, play 7 years after they joined that band! Go on Anon@1.01am - name one male bass player who could say "I'm shit at my instrument but I can do a semi-naked back-bend so I should be a role model to up-and-coming musicians" and not be ridiculed.
I'm not bothered by her act - I tend to ignore her and focus on those in MSI who aren't just window dressing - but I am annoyed when she's given the oxygen of publicity (solely due to who she's married to) to try and claim to be something for girls to aspire to. Not to mention the idiocy of throwing around accusations that referring to her by her married name is "sexist", but relying on your feminine wiles instead of honing your musical talents somehow isn't.
That said, I don't think she's the sharpest tool in the shed. But definitely a complete tool...
spinderella because of something you said I am going to assume you are an msi fan. I wanted to know how things have changed in the band in your eyes. What was this band like before MCR
I'm not an early fan - I only came in around Rebel (Shut Me Up/Straight to Video-era) after I was dragged to a show. At first I thought Lyn-Z was a good "show-woman", but then I saw them again and realised that one act is all she can do! I do think a lot of the older fans find it irritating that the attention is now all directed at the one person who contributes the least to the finished product.
As far as the lyrical content goes, I view what they do in the same way I do slasher horror, violent video games, etc.. Just because I enjoy trash entertainment doesn't mean I would discriminate on the grounds of someone's gender/color/sexuality in "real life" any more than I would disembowel them. I do agree that the "addressing the world's ills through satire" argument is bullshit, so it's hard to explain the appeal of MSI - you either get it or you don't - I guess the clue's in the "mindless".
I hope I've answered your question Martha Jones!
Hi there, people!
I wasn't here for a few days and it took me some time to catch up on the comments.
I just wanted to say that MSI also have a German fanpage and, boy, I can tell you that the German MSI fans are just as braindead as the American ones. But is it any wonder? hahaa
They're all whining about those emos and MCR fans coming to MSI shows and bitch about those hysterical fan girls using their ellbows to keep others from breaking through their rows! Hysterical!
I wish you could understand what they're writing about.
Actually, they aren't really different from other fans although they desperately want to be seen differently from the MCR fan crowd.
Some of them are always going on about how proud they are to be 'old fags' (I think that's their expression for being an old fan. Sooo funny, right?) and one brainless fuck calls another MSI fan who admitted that s/he also likes MCR's music as someone who's infested with AIDS.
I think that really says a lot about what kind of people MSI are attracting with their music!
Btw, some English speaking MSI fan posted a link to an interview with Lindsey. Did you already see that?
My God, that Tussnelda is one dumb Schnalle!
that referring to her by her married name is "sexist"
Learn your history if you don't think there is a big difference between Mrs Lindsay Way and Mrs Gerard Way, especially as neither is what she goes by professionally and we don't know if she has changed her name. It may have used as a bit of misdirection by her but it is a valid point.
Feminist want to be known for their work and not their body.
Feminism is not a hivemind, nor are feminists. Don't universalize, don't claim to speak for all feminists. The problem with saying that it's either the work or the body is that all forms of work involve the body in some way and when you are talking about gender and the body (especially wrt the display and control of the body), there is interconnectedness with race and class which make the situation a lot more complex.
Clothes do play a part in what people think of you.
And many feminists (again, not a hivemind) think that is a bad thing. The idea is that criticizing what another woman looks like or wears, for whatever reason, just reinforces the patriarchal conceit of reducing women to their appearance and their clothes.
I said to wear a shirt and jeans so that it was known that she was taking playing the bass seriously and not doing her usual loli pantie flash act.
Or you could just listen to her bass playing? Don't put your or anyone else's inability to listen to music if it's being played by someone with a short skirt on anyone other than yourself or the other non-listeners. Her clothes have no effect on her ability to play bass.
Like I said all she has to do is show me that she can really play.
Why does she have to prove anything to you? She been in a band for 6/7 years, her bass playing has done what it has needed to do. If you don't like it, then you don't like it. This idea that she needs to change her clothes, how and what she plays in a special demonstration to prove herself to you and then you'll be satisfied, is just weird and fucked up.
Ermm... most of those people can, however, play 7 years after they joined that band!
Sure, but don't pull those quotes out of context, to make it sound like she's talking about her current playing ability. Especially given she was trying to encourage other women to get up on stage and play even if they don't think they are good enough because you have to start somewhere. When she has spoken about her current ability she has said that she's not brilliant but she can play.
name one male bass player who could say "I'm shit at my instrument but I can do a semi-naked back-bend so I should be a role model to up-and-coming musicians" and not be ridiculed.
Beyond the n00b to a lot of dudes in bands since when would a male bass player be expected to and have to justify his playing ability? And that's not even getting into that any ridicule that did occur would be an entirely different beast.
Sure, but don't pull those quotes out of context, to make it sound like she's talking about her current playing ability. Especially given she was trying to encourage other women to get up on stage and play even if they don't think they are good enough because you have to start somewhere. When she has spoken about her current ability she has said that she's not brilliant but she can play.
If I recall correctly, Lindsey said that over the years she learned and got better (well, who wouldn't?), but that she still wasn't a great bass player, but then she said something to the effect of "you go onstage and try doing a backbend while playing bass", as though that made it okay to be mediocre at her instrument just because she can do backbends. That interview was very recent, so the "I can play bass in any band" quote is either an outright lie, or the girl has been taking accelerated bass lessons.
Also, in that same interview, she said that real musicians (i.e., people who just play and don't run around doing backbends and setting things on fire to a pre-recorded track) bore her to tears.
Speaking of a pre-recorded track, why does she need one if she's such a good bass player? Most of the shows I go to, the actual band is playing the music.
I personally don't see the problem with her wanting to dress like a schoolgirl gone bad while onstage. Hey, it worked for Angus Young. But, at 32, she's beginning to look a bit ridiculous. So is Angus for that matter, but that's another issue (although, he is very good at his instrument, no denying that).
And for the record, peope question Mikey Way's ability to play bass all the time. And Pete Wentz. And people always bring up the fact that Sic Vicious couldn't play bass to save his life. So I don't think this is a male/female thing here.
Her clothes have no effect on her ability to play bass.
No, but they have the ability to deflect your attention from her bass playing. I would say that's exactly what she is striving for.
Learn your history if you don't think there is a big difference between Mrs Lindsay Way and Mrs Gerard Way, especially as neither is what she goes by professionally and we don't know if she has changed her name. It may have used as a bit of misdirection by her but it is a valid point.
Now who is publicly calling her by this pseudonym? The music journalists. She should direct her valid concerns to them instead of whining about it.
"Learn your history if you don't think there is a big difference between .... It may have used as a bit of misdirection by her but it is a valid point."
Whether she likes it or not, Lyn-Z is best known for being "Mrs Gerard Way", and nothing during the PR and European Tours to break that connection. Until such time as she makes a name for herself on her own merits, or MCR loses their following, she will continue to be known as "Mrs Gerard Way". If she truly wishes to change this situation then complaining about it in a widely-read magazine only serves to draw attention to the fact that she is A). "Mrs Gerard Way" and B). Deluded.
It is not "sexist" for the press to apply a label to an artist for what she's best known for!
"when would a male bass player be expected to and have to justify his playing ability?"
When would a male bass player say it's enough for him just to be male and up on stage? It's not enough just to be a woman, unless you're willing to suggest that girls should be happy just to be the eye candy and not competent musicians?
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Sorry, but I'm getting quite annoyed by reading about the same argument we chewed on every other previous page on this entry again and again.
It's obvious that neither of the MCR or the MSI crew are media pros.
They never got a lesson as to how older and not-carefully-thought-over statements can break your neck in the future.
Both, Gerard and Lindsey have been contradicting themselves many times now and it will always be out there for everyone to see.
Just like Gerard does/did with his band messages, 09/11 tales and feminist attitude, Lindsey seems to change/ have changed her opinion about bass playing according to what she might have thought her fans would find cool to hear from her at that specific point in time.
Once she said that she, Attention: paraphrased!, couldn't be arsed about learning to play the bass properly and some time after she said that she's taking it seriously.
"Why does she have to prove anything to you? She been in a band for 6/7 years, her bass playing has done what it has needed to do. If you don't like it, then you don't like it. This idea that she needs to change her clothes, how and what she plays in a special demonstration to prove herself to you and then you'll be satisfied, is just weird and fucked up."
She has to prove it to us because she looooveess to run her mouth, but saying she is a good bass player and that nobody else can do what she does, doesn't automatically make it true. I doubt anyone in MSI is keeping her around because of her tremendous bass playing ability, so no, her bass playing hasn't done what it's needed to for the last 6/7 years, her backbends and skimpy clothing has. Plus, her bass sucks. The tabs are really easy and not creative at all. In my opinion, talent should come frist, everything else sould come second.
When would a male bass player say it's enough for him just to be male and up on stage? It's not enough just to be a woman, unless you're willing to suggest that girls should be happy just to be the eye candy and not competent musicians?
There ya go. That's a big part of it. She thinks that just because she has a vagina and almost lit someone on fire and can do a backbend, she is magically an inspiration to women. How so? Men can be crappy at their job too, and can get by on their looks and who they marry, and you can bet that if one of them went around saying, "I'm such an inspiration to little boys because I can get up there on stage like no one else and show you my junk!" they would be laughed off the stage.
Just the fact that she can say that and have people not notice the HUGE gender equality in such a statement shows how far women have NOT come.
Incidentally: Even if Lindsey did magically one day "prove" that she had learned how to play the bass well, I still woul dhave zero respect for her. Ummm, Five Year Old Panty Shot.
What I really don't understand is why she's saying one thing in interviews like the one I linked to before and then comes on the stage and doing the exact opposite of what she said?
I have to admit that if I had watched the afore-mentioned interview of Lindsey without knowing in what band she plays and any other of her statements I would find her quite likeable and would agree to many of the things she says.
I start to believe that all of them are either hardcore schizophreniacs, who have multiple personalities and most of the time can't control what they say and do and how they contradict themselves, or hardcore liars, who only want to cover up their discriminatory behavior on stage by putting on an act in their interviews.
From what I've learned on the German MSI fanpage and the forum, respectively, the fans don't seem to care about their lyrics. Almost neither of them pays attention to what they're singing about.
There is on thread in which some girl's asking others what they think of the 'panty shot' song and that she herself didn't really listen to the lyrics until she came across that song.
She finds it inappropriate to sing about such a thing as pedophilia and somehow advertising it and even making fun of child molestation.
Others were responding to her telling her that they also don't think about what they're actually singing and only listen to the 'kick-ass music' but do agree with her that they don't find that song really funny.
Bottom line: They have problems with some of their lyrics but they admit that it doesn't stop them from listening to their music.
When would a male bass player say it's enough for him just to be male and up on stage?
Never, he would never be in a position where he needs to make that statement, because it's the norm. A guy getting up on stage even if he's never touched a guitar and thrashing around making a racket is the standard state of affairs. Millions of guys do this. They are never asked to justify themselves.
And for the record, peope question Mikey Way's ability to play bass all the time. And Pete Wentz. And people always bring up the fact that Sic Vicious couldn't play bass to save his life.
'Yeah that dude isn't really the best bass player. Oh well, whatever.' The reactions have not been equivalent.
Siobhan suddenly gained a lot of vocabulary and lost her ESL. Huh.
The quotes were not taken out of context. IT was taken from an interview she did on the European tour right after she married Gerard. She was talking about her current playing ability at the time.
I never said she need to change her clothes. I said if she wants to prove that she can play she should wear jeans and a shirt instead of the look at my panties outfit because that outfit is used as away to distract people from her playing. Stop trying to twist what I am saying into something else. I have stated what I meant by my words as have others.
She should prove herself if she wants to keep spewing that shit about being great. I haven't heard any of her counter parts in other bands male or female go on about how no one can do what they do, or that they can play in any other band.
Other people have answered most of your other questions as I did before. so I won't go into the rest.
'Yeah that dude isn't really the best bass player. Oh well, whatever.' The reactions have not been equivalent.
December 31, 2008 9:31 AM
It depends on where you go and who is talking about their playing ability. Because I am sure if you go to more rock oriented sites they are ripping those two a new one.
Siobhan suddenly gained a lot of vocabulary and lost her ESL. Huh.
Is that you again, my lovely stalker-anon?
What are you trying to insinuate with that comment?
Should I see it as an insult or a compliment?
hello Siobhan good to see you back.
Hi there, MJ! How are you doing?
I am doing well and how are you.
Happy New Years Eve
Unfortunately, not so well!
I have a cold and have to spend New Year's eve at home. Meh!
Happy New Year's eve to you too!
Are you celebrating with your family or some friends?
Maybe I will go outside for a few minutes at midnight to watch the fireworks.
I don't do anything for NYE unless i am working because I always have a habit of losing money.
I hope you get better soon
Thanks, MJ! Yeah, I have that habit too, hehe.
Do you happen to know what CII\ means?
Sorry no i don't
Nevermind!
I read that thing about that animal shelter and that someone helped people on an MCR messageboard to help them cheat by providing them with a zip code or something.
Isn't there a jury that can be informed about that?
Don't know it's to bad that people now a days think doing that is alright. i am sure that those people would have gotten enough votes had they not cheated.
What was this voting thing about again? I can't really remember.
Help a dog shelter win money
Umm, why didn't Bob give them money himself? I mean, he must have known before that they needed the money and still he didn't do anything until he had the chance to let the fans do the work?
Actually he was told about this contest by someone else. Some guy who has something to do wit NIN told Bob about the contest because he had a dog shelter that he wanted to help out. But Bob found out that the shelter where he got his dogs from was in the running as well.
I know that. I just thought that he could have realized that the dog shelter he got his dog from needs money when he went there to get the dog. Don't they all need money? Here in Germany they do.
I just get the feeling with MCR that the only like to do something for charity if it doesn't put a dent in their own finances.
But then, I think the guys from NIN do also have enough money to to help-out their specific animal shelter without having to rely on the result of that contest.
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I have to go now, MJ. It's dinner time. I don't know if I'll be online afterwards and therefore want to wish you a Happy New Year already! *hugs*
I think it was also away to get others to give and let people know that they need help
Happy New year.
Its amazing how entertaing this actually is. Great for use on Bn and Mcr.com
I dont know if its a good or bad thing but Magnificent Mutts nearly got #1. A few days ago they only have a few hundred votes and today they have 4500+.
And for the record, people question Mikey Way's ability to play bass all the time. And Pete Wentz. And people always bring up the fact that Sid Vicious couldn't play bass to save his life.
'Yeah that dude isn't really the best bass player. Oh well, whatever.' The reactions have not been equivalent.
Maybe not, but since when did Mikey Way say he was an "inspiration to young boys"? I never heard Pete Wentz say that it was perfectly okay to stand onstage and play badly because "I can do a backbend" or "you too can be a bad bass player and still be in a band if you want." They're probably hoping no one notices how bad they are, although the cat's pretty much out of the bag on that one. I have been on several sites where rock fans (not MCR or FOB fans) have ripped into them for being shit musicians.
I don't think the people on here would have a problem with Lindsey's lack of ability had she not tried to present herself as something to be aspired to by young girls.
MCR boys are really a good endorser, i bet they can be on TV shopping network selling crappy juicer and fansheeps will flock and buy it. [/sarcasm]
oh, its no suprise that bob puts that ebay link on mcr.com. It's his birthday (31st dec).
i wonder if any fans will be crazy enough to buy bob that car.
Yeah, they'd get 4000 people to buy it. Not exactly the sales figures a company hopes for.
MCR may have a few thousand fansheep who will do anything they want, but in the large picture, that's not all that much.
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