I was searching around a while ago for articles about misogyny and racism in music. I found a few of them and noticed a pattern. If you google "Misogyny in music" you will find a lot of links to rap and hip hop music.
Misogyny Set To Music calls out R Kelly.
Here's the Top 10 Misogynistic Rap Songs That Women Love, which calls out Lil Jon, Snoop, Yin Yang Twinz.
Chris Brown, Tyler the Creator and mostly other African American musicians are always, always getting called out.
Then, google "mindless self indulgence misogyny" and "mindless self indulgence racism" and what will you find? Nothing more than a bunch of white people defending the sexism and racism by saying it's "clearly ironic," "tongue in cheek," "Jimmy Urine says he's not a racist so obviously he's not" and "how can they be sexist with women in the band?" And my favorite, "MSI is reclaiming those social slurs."
So my question is, why is it acceptable for these white people to "reclaim slurs" and use slurs "in irony" but when an African American musician does it, there is a huge outcry?
I also notice that the people who post here are the only ones really calling out privileged white men like Frank Iero and Gerard Way on saying horribly racist and misogynistic things on Twitter. If an African American spoke like that on Twitter, what would the reaction be?
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How about the Cherokee nation trying to cut off African Americans from their funding, VV? Wasn't that racism? I think it was. No matter what one of your favorite regulars tried to say.
That was blatant racism.
Nothing in this world will change until we all can admit that racism in not about white and black. Racism comes in all colors, shades and creeds. Even yours, VV. Even in the shade of your oh so liberal regulars.
Talk to the rest of the world when you and your regs get over your hatred for privileged white men like Frank Iero and Gerard Way. We might take you and your blog seriously then.
Color, creed, religion and social class should not come in to it at all.
Actually, people of color literally cannot be oppressively racist against white people. So BZZZT you got that wrong in one.
BTW, who the hell is "We?" Dumbass.
However, I'd also list an addendum here. As you may have noticed, when someone accuses an ethnic minority of being racist, that person (often, someone who's white) is frequently trying to deflect that same charge. Such a strategy uses the Karl Rove-like trick of going after people’s supposed strength, or reversing their line of attack.
http://news.change.org/stories/can-black-people-be-racist
Racism is racism and hatred is hate. Whether you are mocking and belittling people because of the color of their skin, their higher education level, or their personal spiritual beliefs.
Don't even try to pretend to be some great humanitarian if you sit there and say nothing when people are mocked because of where they were born, their education level or their spiritual heritage. Jew, Muslim, Christian, Pagan, Buddist, etc.
Don't sit on your high horse and use terms like privilege when you obviously have no knowledge of those who fought to give you the privilege to say those things. Black, brown, red, and yes VV. White.
Don't. even. fuckin. try.
Not until you and your regulars take off your own bigoted, racist, self absorbed glasses.
WTF 8:42? Are you serious?
Proof that racism is ignorant and ignorance leads to racism.
I can't be a racist due to the color of my skin.
More ignorant words have never been spoken.
^ THIS
kapunua said...
Actually one of my favorites, Thomas Gibson, just said that he had just met MCR and they seemed really nice. So I tweeted him about their racist and sexist nonsense and their tweets making light of violence toward women.
Not that it's going to make a difference, but I wanted him to know. Hope Gerard sees it, too.
OCTOBER 1, 2011 6:59 PM
Anonymous said...
Of course they're going to be nice. They'll be nice to who they consider peers in the industry and asses to their fans because they think they are above them.
OCTOBER 1, 2011 9:17 PM
Anonymous said...
Kapunua I doubt he will pay any attention to your tweet. These people stick together.
OCTOBER 1, 2011 9:18 PM
Anonymous said...
Some people say all sorts of things just to pull you in, to satisfy their own egos.
OCTOBER 1, 2011 9:36 PM
kapunua said...
Kapunua I doubt he will pay any attention to your tweet. These people stick together.
I'm not sure what you mean by that. It seemed like he had just accidentally met them somewhere. I don't think you can count anyone that MCR meets on the street as "these people" or "one of them." It's not as if their assheadedness is a contagion. And I highly, highly doubt they would follow the bands' Twitters or even be aware of the racist and misogynistic things they'd said. Which is part of why I tweeted what I did.
OCTOBER 1, 2011 10:20 PM
Anonymous said...
Hope Gerard sees it, too.
lol
Still trying to get GW's attention?
October 3, 2011 4:33 PM
Anonymous said...
Thomas Gibson didn't meet MCR on the street. He went to their concert with his family.
October 3, 2011 4:34 PM
veritavenom said...
New post,
^ lol
Sorry Mya but you're wrong. Sure, African American people can be bigoted. They can be prejudiced. But they cannot be racist because racism is about systematic oppression.
I love how the one conservative troll on here gets so outraged at anything that doesn't cater to whites, and then fails so obviously at logic. It's so amusing.
8:27 take a chill pill.
It's always you can't criticize my favorite rockstars blah blah blah
Oh and NEVER criticize itty bitty F Lero cuz someone guaranteed will come here to bite you in the tush.
Ehhh, "anon," I've already answered your admittedly very stupid question about the Cherokee. Not seeing how that applies here, aside from that, well, it's you and you can't let things go.
Also not sure what the point is about Thomas Gibson. I saw on his Tumblr that he went to the concert and I sent twitter posts saying that normally I would reblog him, but those guys were racist, sexist POSes so I'd be skipping it this time. Umm. Your point?
Oh, shoot. You never have one, do you? :)
In response to VV's post I think the rappers get called out about it because they're all high profile stars not idiotic nobody's like MSI. Ask a 1000 people at random who Chris Brown is and who MSI are and I guarantee the 90% will not know who MSI are. Its not that they're not being called out on their misogyny its just that no one knows who the hell they are or that they are misogynists. Its nothing to do with being black, look at eminem he's been called out for his lyrics about women so has Plan B, they're both white. MSI are on no ones radar that's why they aint being called out.
I can't believe you would waste time comparing artists like lil wayne and r. kelly to MSI and then be annoyed when you find nothing to condemn MSI for their bullshit lyrics. They're not at all on the same wave length.
"Frank Iero and Gerard Way on saying horribly racist things"
What horribly racist things did they say exactly?
I only know that Frank once tweeted the word "Nigga" which I believe is in bad taste and ignorant on his behalf but not meant in my opinion in a racist way (I'm black and I've suffered racial abuse)
So what other things have they said or done to be branded racists?
Well you know, when Frank Iero got called out on using the word, didn't he tell those people they were "imbeciles" for saying it was racist? I think that makes it even more racist.
How does it make it more racist? it just makes him sound even more ignorant then I thought.
Conservative Anon, I made a present for you. It hink you'll like it. :D
Here are all of your usual answers, summed up. Now, when you want to talk about America, Freedom, the Oppression of the White Heterosexual Male, etc. you can just whip out one of these. See, you don't even have to use words anymore! Here's all your logic in a nice, tidy little package. :D
Seriously, these are pretty cute.
But they cannot be racist because racism is about systematic oppression.
I'm sorry, but this is nonsense! Anyone can be racist and anyone can be an oppressor. Imagine a white person working in an office with mainly black people and the white person is being treated differently because of their skin. Would that not be racism then even if outside of the office the white person would be the privileged person? If we're talking about discrimination we have to consider that there are countless microcosms out there and that there are many different situations where people who - in general - would be the oppressed party are the ones in power and oppress others themselves.
For example, even if women are the ones who are being discriminated against they still can be misandrists or even misogynists themselves. Surely, their misandry doesn't affect most men in the world, but that doesn't mean that it can't affect those few men those women wield power over.
And I have to agree that you can't compare an underground band like MSI to worldwide famous African-American music artists and then claim that white people aren't called out on their discriminatory behavior while African-Americans always will. If white people use the n-word or make other racist remarks it mostly is the end of their career and rightfully so.
What is Don Imus doing now?
I have to say, VV, this new post is very lame and weak. The reason no-one is calling out MSI is because the majority of (lucky) people have never heard of them or their shitty music. I guarantee if MSI were anywhere near famous they would be ripped to shreds, especially if Panty Shot was out there. I also don't believe white musicians get an easy ride. I think someone mentioned Eminem here. He got called out at some point, didn't he? Here's a link about him.
http://www.jacksonkatz.com/eminem2.html
Siobhan, I have to disagree about racism. African American people can be bigoted, and they can discriminate. But racism involves actually oppressing a race who naturally has less rights than theirs. African American people can't do that because white people hold most of the power in the US. (Though this may be a US thing.) But yes - they can be juts as discriminatory and bigoted as any white person for sure.
Same with women: We can also be terrible misogynists (hello, Lindsey!) and women can also be accused of misandry. But we can't actually oppress men, because the power, unfortunately, is still in their favor. Not that I'm saying it would be good to be able to oppress men. I'm just saying, the balance of power is still too far off.
I think people of any color can be racist. Even people of color can be racist against other people of color. Being a person of mixed heritage myself, I have experienced that racism first hand.
Regardless, the fact remains that white males still hold most of the power in this world, and their racism is more oppressive to POC than vice versa. It's the inequality and inequity involved that makes white racism more of an issue.
Kapunua and anon, I still have to disagree. Racism is racism, which means that you're discriminating against a person due to their race. To me, the moment this happens it's not of interest whose race is more oppressed or in power. In that single moment a person is being discriminated against because of the color of their skin and that's racism.
and their racism is more oppressive to POC than vice versa.
I know where you're coming from, but I still think that statements like that can be quite dangerous. It implies that only people of color can know what it means to be a victim of racism and thus mocks the experience of white people who (in previously mentioned microcosms) have become victims of racism too.
I think this kind of reasoning is not only dangerous when it comes to race but also when it comes to sexism. You only have to look at how seriously people take men who were raped or have become victims of sexual harrassment at work or at any other place or have even become victims of domestic violence if the culprit is a woman. Many people outright deny that this is even possible. Why? Because only women can be raped and only women can be sexually opressed or be victims of domestic violence? Is the rape of a man any less hurt- and shameful for him then it is for a woman just because he's a man and otherwise in power?
Does anyone know if Kathleen has ever talked about msi and their music?
I think people of any color can be racist. Even people of color can be racist against other people of color. Being a person of mixed heritage myself, I have experienced that racism first hand.
Regardless, the fact remains that white males still hold most of the power in this world, and their racism is more oppressive to POC than vice versa. It's the inequality and inequity involved that makes white racism more of an issue.
Racism is a word that doesn't seem to mean what it used to mean. It's not all-encompassing anymore, the way that bigotry is. Here's a good page that explains it better than I could.
For an argument that claims that everybody can be racist to be valid, two things have to be true: (1) all racial groups must exist in a state of equality a priori and (2) racism must be reduced to (a) race prejudice and/or (b) purposeful action, the goal of which is the oppression of a racialized group. Concerning (1), it's a empirical fact that racial groups exist in a state of inequality, and this fact will be referenced throughout my comments. Racism is a form of inequality, which bring me to the second assumption.
Bigoted, yes. Hateful, yes. Ignorant, yes. Biased, yes. Prejudiced, yes.
But not racist. That means something different.
Any thoughts or opinions on the Amanda Knox verdict?
Kapunua you still haven't given an ACTUAL answer about "your favorite" Thomas Gibson going to a MCR concert.
Oh God.
Not Kapunua, but I adore Thomas Gibson, not because of his crappy musical taste (or more likely, that of his kids), but because he's awesome on Criminal Minds. If we stopped liking everyone who has crappy taste in music and everyone who has no idea that MCR are racist, misogynistic douchebags, we wouldn't have very many people left to like.
Exactly as 8:28 said.
A lot of my friends still like MCR and still go see their concerts, too. They know how I feel about that whole scene, and we just agree not to talk about it.
Hell, one of my close family members lives with an abusive man in her life. What are you supposed to do? Sticking by my friends and family doesn't make me less of a feminist.
It's also just plain stupid to go around assuming that everyone knows about MCR's sexist and racist behavior. Most people don't know a damn thing about it. They hear them on the radio or whatever and that's it.
So in the latest issue of Vanity Fair Johnny Depp said doing a photo shoot was like "being raped". I am so so so disappointed in him as he is one of my favorite actors, but, man, that was an incredibly dumb thing to say. He really should have known better.
Occupy.
Anarchy on the streets of the USA. People are mad as hell and they're not going to take it anymore. Luvin it.
What a load of bullshit 2:28. Who wrote that shit? Do you really subscribe to those beliefs?
That's like saying only Africans can be racists in Africa, only Mexicans can be racists in Mexico and only Europeans can be racists in Europe.
B.u.l.l.s.h.i.t
If you hate other people just because of their race and heritage you are a racist. Period.
I'm sorry, but this is nonsense! Anyone can be racist and anyone can be an oppressor.
^This
I think this kind of reasoning is not only dangerous when it comes to race but also when it comes to sexism.
^and This
If we use this warped logic that only majorities can be racists, sexists or oppressors than sexism couldn't possibly exist is countries where women outnumber men. Countries like the USA.
That kind of logic is dangerous and ignorant. History should have taught us that.
ILU, sametroller. You're so hilarious.
Ugh, that's very disappointing about Johnny Depp. I'm sure that someone is going to set him straight. At least I hope so. That's an ignorant thing to say.
3:37, I'm loving it, too!
It's about damn time people stood up to the greedy bastards and the politicians in their pockets and said they aren't going to take it any more. The bank bail outs and tax cuts for the wealthy that we've seen since the Reagan administration have created a wealth divide in this country the likes of which we have not seen since before the Great Depression.
No. You're disappointing Kapunua. For constantly refusing to recognise your own hypocrisy and racism. Even Siobhan can see it this time. Just because a person disagrees with you doesn't make them a troll. Those extremist views of yours are why you will always fail in society and life. You can't see your own bigotry and racism the mirror. You can't admit that POC can be racists because you are a racist. You hate white people.
What do think about the fact that more and more Mexicans and Latinos are identifying themselves as caucasian. As white in race.
What could that mean? Does that mean that Mexicans are Latinos are racists against anyone who does not identify as white? Is that where all this recent gang warfare in the UK stems?
Reagan's dead. Bush is out of office. There is no one to blame but the current CEO. That's where the anger is directed and rightfully so.
What happens under my watch is my responsibility.
In the end, the ones who deserve and get the most respect are the ones who don't blame other people.
MURRKA.
That said, man, peace out to Steve Jobs. This Mac gal is sad. Well, dang, it's sad when people die in general. But farewell to a visionary.
Cop bragging about all the protestors he's beaten, and the ones he's "hopefully" going to beat in the future. Yeah, didn't know he was on tape.
That's awful!
CEO's have one objective: to stamp their mark and make as much money for themselves and increase shareholder value. You have to look at the board of directors(shareholders representatives) that appoint CEO's who draw up their contracts with these "performance" objectives as part of their monetary incentives.
Reagan's dead. Bush is out of office. There is no one to blame but the current CEO. That's where the anger is directed and rightfully so.
You wish.
The current protests are not being carried out by the Teabagger loons. These people are not all about giving tax breaks to the wealthy, cutting social programs and putting the burden on a shrinking and soon to be non-existent middle class.
Most of the big bank bail outs were in 2008. The real estate crash that has caused so much stress on the economy has its roots in the Bush administration.
People are angry for good reasons, and they aren't going to accept the old rhetoric and bullshit "trickle down" theories from the past, which have only made the rich richer and the poor poorer.
Sorry to burst your bubble, Tea Party anon, but the people participating in Occupy Wall Street don't get their information from Faux News.
Ammurrka "anon," you can pin the blame wherever you want. Clinton presided over 8 years of the lowest unemployment rates in history, and the costliest thing we've been involved in this decade has been a war based on lies. You probably don't want to see that. But this has already happened, no matter who you want to say "caused" it. The point now is that it has to change.
Capitalism should be where consumers decide where their money goes - that is the basis of it: public demand is met with supply. What we have going on now is corporate welfare, and where politicians and corporations feed each other. Corporations fund the politicians, who in turn, when they get into office, give them huge tax breaks and laxer restrictions (hence environmental ruin, oil spills, zero accountability for mistakes.) You like Bush, I like Obama, but none of that fingerpointing matters when the damage is already been done. What we need to do is address it and find a way to change it. Occupy Wall Street is addressing it, and its supporters are in hopes that something this huge will bring about change, finally.
Actual campaign reform would be a place to start but that is a massive undertaking, and of course all those corporations are going to block reform at every turn. A roadblock that big requires a movement of equal size. Hopefully this will be the one.
But if you want, you can continue to sit in your corner, wrapped in a tacky bald eagle throw, with a feed into your head directly from Bill O'Reilly's ass.
I don't agree with Kapunua's comments, but she's entitled to her opinion, same with the anon, she is entitled to her own opinion. There's no need to call her a troll.
^ I'm talking about the racism comments BTW.
Whoever is spamming Mayo's, STOP IT unless you want the same thing to happen to you here.
STOPE DELETING ME.
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I know where you're coming from, but I still think that statements like that can be quite dangerous. It implies that only people of color can know what it means to be a victim of racism and thus mocks the experience of white people who (in previously mentioned microcosms) have become victims of racism too.
I think this kind of reasoning is not only dangerous when it comes to race but also when it comes to sexism. You only have to look at how seriously people take men who were raped or have become victims of sexual harrassment at work or at any other place or have even become victims of domestic violence if the culprit is a woman. Many people outright deny that this is even possible. Why? Because only women can be raped and only women can be sexually opressed or be victims of domestic violence? Is the rape of a man any less hurt- and shameful for him then it is for a woman just because he's a man and otherwise in power?
I totally agree with you Siobhan.
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Sorry, but the spamming here won't work because we have a moderator.
Besides, what makes you think someone from here is spamming there? I thought Mayo was gone anyway? How can you spam posts that are closed to comments?
Reality. You need a dose of it.
Johnny Depp has apologized for the comments he made in Vanity Fair.
"I am truly sorry for offending anyone in any way. I never meant to. It was a poor choice of words on my part in an effort to explain a feeling.I understand there is no comparison and I am very regretful. In an effort to correct my lack of judgment, please accept my heartfelt apology."
Apology accepted.
Awesome. That was absolutely the right thing to do. Everyone makes a mistake and says the wrong thing once in a while. It's good of him to own up like that and it's really refreshing to see someone who is willing to do that.
For the ones asking if MCR were still tour they have just one date left of the Honda Civic tour. Tomorrow night in LA. That'll mark the end of the of the HCT tour.
MCR have one remaining date after that for this year. October 28 2011 in New Orleans at the Voodoo Fest. That date will close this tour cycle for MCR.
What MCR do between the Voodoo Fest and their next tour date in Australia at Big Day Out 2012 remains to be seen.
No one here cares 11:19. Discuss their touring at one of their fan forums.
Exactly, Johnny is only human. He messed up, realized his mistake and offered a heartfelt apology. If MSI/MSR would do the same and apologize for the things they have said and done I would have no problem with them.
My impression is that these people don't care for anyone but themselves. I think apologizing would be the last thing on their minds.
Sorry 1:24 but I care. Thanks 1:19 was wondering when they would finish up and go home to spend time with their families.
Glad JD apologised, I think he's a nice guy.
I think MCR would apologise if they were called out because then they'd know they have offended people. I don't think they're aware of how offensive some of the things they have said are. And just like this recent post MCR aren't really on people's radar esp compared to people like Johnny Depp. Altho to be fair I'm sure if no one complained about JD's comments he wouldn't have apologised for it and no one but the people on this blog complain about MCR so they won't apologise cause we're not on the bands radar or on anyone elses really. Its kind of like a popularity contest.
No see, the thing is, MCR have been called out, and they are totally aware of it. How many times have you seen them called out on Twitter? By Siobhan, by countless other angry people? And I'm also pretty sure that they and/or their clique is aware of this page. There are threads about their bad behavior everywhere.
As much goes for MSI.
They have addressed it. It's just that their esponse has been a collective "suck it" and "STFU" and "you're an imbecile" and "c*nt" etc.
Kapunua, not quite the same though is it? A few people tweeting at you on twitter or 1000's of people reacting to your comment in Vanity Fair.
Only people who follow MCR on twitter would've seen their comments, thousands of people read Vanity Fair. Unless someone/something big like Kerrang say something about it it'll only ever remain between the people who are already in the know.
Like I said its like a popularity contest in a way and this page isn't popular. So if Kerrang NME or MTV reported about things they've said they'd apologise as those are media outlets on a global scale and this page doesn't rank, do you see? I'm not trying to offend the page just to put things in perspective.
There are probably quite a few blogs about MCE/MSI but they don't matter because they're not popular or well known. Take this page I reckon there's about 30 regular people who comment on this blog. More people read it I guess but the regulars are about 30. Not exactly raking in the big numbers are we?
As for them addressing the matters, again these people are small scale to MCR so they dissmiss them with flippant responses, like if you don't like something someone says to you, you call them a troll and thats your way of dismissing them.
So until MCR called out by more then 3 people on twitter (those are the incidents I know about) then don't expect a positive response or apology because sadly you won't get one.
It shouldn't be that way, though. These guys shouldn't just be pandering to the majority.
If they were sincere people with real feelings, they would care about the few people they know they have hurt. Also, they would care enough about their fans not to call them names -- especially those innocents they've been so nasty to on twitter, with no apologies.
It shouldn't be a "what can we get away with" situation. It should be about what's right and what's wrong, but clearly, the people connected with My Mindless Chemically Indulgent Self Romance don't give a damn.
Of course it shouldn't be but like I said if no one complained about Johnny Depp's comment would he have realised that what he said was wrong and then apologised off his own back? Doubt it.
I agree they shouldn't call their fans names. The people on twitter as far as I'm concerned were not "innocents" its not like Gerard randomly tweeted them and called them names, they gave as good as they got, although admittedly Gerad was extremely immature with his responses.
Again I agree i should be about what's right and what's wrong but people always try and see what they can and can't get away with especially celebrities/famous people
There have been innocents on twitter that Gerard (as Party Poison) spoke harshly to, and for no reason. Also, there was the girl who told him he was being too harsh with the 'smashed face' nonsense, and she got his wrath as well.
Then there is Frank's "I hope you die" rant at the fans who posted his children's pictures. I honestly do not believe those girls deserved that.
if no one complained about Johnny Depp's comment would he have realised that what he said was wrong and then apologised off his own back? Doubt it.
He might not have realized it, no. But you wouldn't apologize if you didn't know it was wrong. Sometimes people are ignorant of issues, and then once they get pointed out to them, they get their head on right and say, "I didn't realize. I'm sorry."
MCR and MSI do realize. They've been told many times, so in their case, they know that the words they're using and the violence they're threatening is wrong. It's true that they might--might--apologize if some Bigger Fish called them out. But as of now, they know they're being racist, sexist, ignorant dicks. They just don't care about it.
Why would MCR need the majority or a major media outlet to point out how offensive immature and hypocritical they appeared with their comments and allegiances? I suspect they know already judging from the response from a few of their fans or ex fans. If they decided to apologize because of some press article I would see it as a cynical act just for their image and to have their fans all coo about how great they are and how they 'save lives'. The JD incident appears to be a one off that's why I think his apology is sincere even though it was precipitated by many people complaining to the press.
Sorry 1:24 but I care. Thanks 1:19 was wondering when they would finish up and go home to spend time with their families.
If you care so much what is the point about talking about it here? That's why they have fan forums to cater for this.
I agree they shouldn't call their fans names. The people on twitter as far as I'm concerned were not "innocents" its not like Gerard randomly tweeted them and called them names, they gave as good as they got, although admittedly Gerad was extremely immature with his responses.
I'm wondering how Gerard got involved with Siobhan in the first place particularly when Siobhan was only tweeting MCR fans initially.
If you care so much what is the point about talking about it here? That's why they have fan forums to cater for this.
I'm a different anon but i would like to answer that. This is a place where people discuss MCR and other things. Why not discuss their tour dates here? You my dear are "pulling an Amy" by telling people what they can discuss here.
Who is Amy?
I'm a different anon but i would like to answer that. This is a place where people discuss MCR and other things. Why not discuss their tour dates here? You my dear are "pulling an Amy" by telling people what they can discuss here.
That's ludicrous. Last time I looked this blog was not an MCR fan site and secondly you would derive far more information about their whereabouts, doings, whatever at a fan site.
I personally can't wait for MCR to go away again.
I'm predicting GW will officially join a new revamped form of MSI, RT will be invited to join another band and the other two will be doing side projects.
That's ludicrous. Last time I looked this blog was not an MCR fan site
I don't think the person who asked wanted the tour dates so she could travel across the world so she could get a glimps of GW's pee pee, i think it was more like there was no great reviews or no Best rock band ever in the world awards or such.
I'm predicting GW will officially join a new revamped form of MSI, RT will be invited to join another band and the other two will be doing side projects.
Gerard's new band will be called Lady GeeGee and Frank will design skinny jeans for little short men. Mikey will quit Lady GeeGee because HE will refuse to wear dresses.
Goodness me 4:45 if you are so adamant to read about that two-faced git, go to a fan site!
If they were sincere people with real feelings, they would care about the few people they know they have hurt. Also, they would care enough about their fans not to call them names -- especially those innocents they've been so nasty to on twitter, with no apologies
This I agree with so much! If they were sincere people they would have immediately offered their apology about their condescending, arrogant and extremely offensive responses.
But as we have all suspect, sincerity does not appear to be a word of any significance in their vocabulary.
:)
Seriously 1:32, that man certainly is sex on two legs.
I'm offended by the way some of you women objectify men purely as sex objects. Sex on two legs. That's downgrading men to being nothing more than a walking d*ck? That's disgusting and it's sexism. What would you say if GW, FI or Jimmy Urine said that about one of you. If they said you were nothing more than sex on two legs. Nothing more than a walking c*nt put on earth to satisfy their sexual fantasies, desires, and pleasure.
Ha ha 4:01!
There is nothing wrong with admiring a very attractive, intelligent, bilingual, well spoken, articulate and immensely talented man. I respect him for his mind and his talent. He can't help he's just so damn hot! I'm sure he doesn't mind us looking either.
His wife to be is one lucky girl.
What would you say if GW, FI or Jimmy Urine said that about one of you
Was that meant to be a joke 4:01? Firstly that would never happen and secondly their wives control them.
"When feminists say that women can’t be sexist towards men, they aren’t saying that women being prejudiced against men is a good thing, or something that should be accepted. Prejudice is bad and should not be accepted.
Now that that’s out of the way, let’s look at why feminists make a distinction between sexism and gender-based prejudice when the dictionary does not. A running theme in a lot of feminist theory is that of institutional power: men as a class have it, women as a class don’t. Obviously the power dynamics do shift around depending on the culture and the time period (not to mention the individual, the other privileges that the person does/does not have, etc etc), but ultimately the scales remain tipped in favor of men in general..."
I doubt you will understand some of the words in there, but maybe you'll get the gist of it.
With that out of the way, Tom Hardy has said his motto is "when in doubt, get your willy out." He's stated that he doesn't mind being looked at, and actually enjoys being looked at.
I am more than happy to oblige him! If he was some kind of classless, chest-beating, idiot thug-wannabe, (see: MCR and MSI,) I wouldn't even look twice at him. But he's sweet, human, and ridiculously clever. So yeah. :D
Sex on two legs. That's downgrading men to being nothing more than a walking d*ck? That's disgusting
Good grief.There is nothing wrong with saying a man is sexy! Calling a girl a cunt and wishing someone to eat ground up glass is another story.
Honestly, some of the people who come here to give us crap over appreciating a good-looking man need to look up the definition of the word 'sexist'. It does not mean what you think it means.
I'm sure Tom Hardy feels so oppressed by women looking at his body.
New Mayo post, LOL.
With that out of the way, Tom Hardy has said his motto is "when in doubt, get your willy out."
very clever man ;)
I'm sure Tom Hardy feels so oppressed by women looking at his body
Oh yeah, so oppressed just like Ewan did.
I'm sure Tom Hardy feels so oppressed by women looking at his body
I think we should oppress him that tiny bit more.
1:32 post more pictures of that delectable man. Please.
(:
Ah the double standards have returned.
Ah yes the double standards have returned with the likes of you 3:42 who seem to have a warped view that women shouldn't verbalize their admiration of one sexually attractive male.
*sighs* he's so beautiful 3:11
...and he's sooo wet :):):)
Who wouldn't love to hose that dirty pony down?
LynZ's deleted the recent picture off her Twitter account. I'm talking about the one where she's attempting to look alluring.
Ah yes the double standards have returned with the likes of you 3:42 who seem to have a warped view that women shouldn't verbalize their admiration of one sexually attractive male.
Lol that's not what I meant at all. You know anon you really shouldn't assume. You know what they say about people who assume don't you?
LynZ's deleted the recent picture off her Twitter account. I'm talking about the one where she's attempting to look alluring.
So you went to her account, looked at the picture and then went back to look at her twitter again only to find the picture gone? Hmm and you're not a fan of hers?
Interesting!
There's nothing wrong with admiring an attractive male, but some comments on here would be classed as sexist if they were referring to a female. I don't buy the "it's okay for us to talk like this because men are more powerful in the world" theory.
8:28, no actually. Someone I follow, who is a fan of hers, tweeted about it.
How is it sexist 11:41? If someone was saying that's all he is good for then I would say it is.
I don't buy the "it's okay for us to talk like this because men are more powerful in the world" theory.
Then you don't know what privilege and sexism are. Sorry. Get yourself informed.
It's okay for us to talk like this about Tom Hardy because he's hot as fuck. End of story.
Wrong, troll. It's okay because he says it's okay. And because most of us understand that there is no "double standard" when discussing men in frank sexual terms. Men, as a whole, cannot be oppressed by women, as a whole. Men don't go on a blind date with their number one fear being "I hope I don't get raped or killed." (In fact, their #1 fear on a blind date is "I hope she's not fat." This is from an actual study.) Men don't walk down the street at night hoping that no one rapes them. Men can go places alone and wear whatever they want, for the most part, and generally not worry about getting raped. There is a huge gap between "male gaze" and "female gaze."
But the main point of it is that he says he doesn't mind being a "sex symbol" if that's what people want to see and believe. If he said, "I don't want people talking about me in sexual terms" then I know I would stop, because you honor someone's wishes.
But seriously, go away with your trolling. You obviously don't get it.
It's okay for us to talk like this about Tom Hardy because he's hot as fuck. End of story
LOL! Preach it sister!
There's nothing wrong with admiring an attractive male, but some comments on here would be classed as sexist if they were referring to a female.
What did anyone say that was sexist? Hot, sex on two legs?
I don't understand how anybody would consider someone describing a man as hot and beautiful as sexist? I thought it was very flattering and seeing that the man himself enjoys this sort of attention (realistically who wouldn't?)I cannot comprehend why there is a problem.
"intriguing", "beautiful", "gorgeous" - those are words that can be used to describe an attractive person. saying "that man certainly is sex on two legs" makes you guys look just as sexist as some of the "fools" you like to rant about.
sure, some men would absolutely LOVE the dirty comments made, but so would some women . you guys can't just lump a gender into a category and justify what's okay and what's not okay to do to them or say/think about them. in my mind, that's biased, and that makes you all sexist (the very thing you're against?) ;)
just my opinion, take it or leave it!
Don't you like men 10:00? Haven't you ever seen a gorgeous man and think GODDAMN!
Being described as sex on two legs is nowhere near sexist or discriminatory.
It merely means that the person in question is dripping with so much sexual charisma that one can only think extremely filthy thoughts (in a good way) about you.
It's a compliment.
And that beautiful boy is SMOKING HOT!
There's nothing wrong with admiring an attractive male, but some comments on here would be classed as sexist if they were referring to a female.
But they're not referring to a female, who is still seen as "object" in the eyes of society where men have power.
"Hannah" (lol, okay,) bias is not the same thing as sexist. And if I have any bias about Tom Hardy, it's in favor of him.
I have to love the way you just completely, consistently, willfully do not get it.
Also, we have a troll here.
It merely means that the person in question is dripping with so much sexual charisma that one can only think extremely filthy thoughts (in a good way) about you.
This is a pretty typical "let me pretend to be on your side and say stupid things" troll. A technique as transparent as it is old.
With that said... ^_^
So Tom Hardy likes being admired. He likes being looked at. Calling him beautiful, hot and sexy is cool, I guess, but comments like "sex on two legs", "I'd love to hose that dirty pony down" are not. You can say Tom won't mind, maybe he won't, but aren't you just reducing him to a piece of meat? Why is it okay for you to talk about a guy like that when if it was the other way round you'd all be hysterical. It makes you look like hypocrites. Like I said, appreciating someones attractiveness is one thing, but some people are acting like drooling idiots-it's actually embarrassing.
Kapunua, I get what you're trying to say, that's your opinion, I have mine. BTW, calling me a troll for no apparent reason is really mature.
When a person is looked at only as an object of sexual desire, that's called objectification, and I think that does qualify as sexism, regardless of that person's sex.
HOWEVER, it has been made abundantly clear by Kapunua and all the Tom Hardy anons here that they consider Tom to be much more than just "sex on legs". He's been called talented, intelligent, sweet, sincere, and a whole lot of other adjectives on this blog, so I don't see how anyone can say that he is objectified by us.
But the main point of it is that he says he doesn't mind being a "sex symbol" if that's what people want to see and believe. If he said, "I don't want people talking about me in sexual terms" then I know I would stop, because you honor someone's wishes.
The members of MCR just recently called fanfiction about them "vile", and expressed distaste for the eroticism in it. Yet fans don't seem to care about their feelings.
So, instead of coming here and giving us a hard time over saying how sexy Tom Hardy is, when he obviously enjoys his sexiness, why not go give MCR fans some grief over their objectification of the guys in the band they claim to love so much?
"calling me a troll for no apparent reason is really mature."
It's more than just really mature. It's paranoia bordering on narcissistic paranoid disorder. It's the classic example. If you don't agree with me or if you question my opinions there must be something wrong with you. You are the one who is wrong. You are the devil, troll, village idiot who is out to get poor me. My views and beliefs are all that matters and I don't want to hear one word that challenges my views, beliefs and opinions because anyone who does that is just a dumb troll who should disappear from my life.
That's usually followed by thoughts and comments like you're dead to me, you don't exist in my world or you should have never been born because you're such an imbecile for not seeing things the exact same way that I see things.
Did it ever enter your small minds that some of the people commenting on the double standards and hypocrisy of this blog are not fans of MCR fanfiction or of MCR?
Let me get this straight.
The regs on this blog don't have a problem with Tom Hardy or any man using his sexuality and sex to get ahead in show biz but they do have a problem with LynZ Way doing the same thing?
They really can't see how that makes them sexist hypocrites?
^Nope. 99% of them really can't see it. They can't see how free speech and freedom of expression applies to anyone but them.
They are the 99% Anonymous and project Occupy want Nothing to do With.
Let me get this straight.
The regs on this blog don't have a problem with Tom Hardy or any man using his sexuality and sex to get ahead in show biz but they do have a problem with LynZ Way doing the same thing?
LMAO.
Sorry, but you haven't gotten anything even remotely approaching 'straight'.
Tom Hardy is extraordinarliy talented. He did not build his career on his looks; he made it with extraordinary performances (which you would know if you would take your head out of MCR's ass long enough to watch some of them) in theatre, television, and film. His looks are just icing on the cake.
Lindsey has nothing other than her backbends and sexuality to offer. So yeah. No comparison.
They will continue to write Fan fiction. This should be the least of mcr's worries. They are after all"straight" men.
It really shouldn't bother them. Hey, people write stuff about me all the time!
Just because I kiss a girlfriend of mine in public, does not mean we are in a"relationship" and besides, every one has a fantasy. Hey, if it keeps a girl from cutting, or worrying about what she looks like in the mirror for hours, or hanging out with the wrong crowd because she wants to fit in, then
I don't mind. Personally,
I don't think they mean any harm with their fiction.
Hey, people write stuff about me all the time!
I don't want to ask if you're a celeb... but are you well known anon ?
Would it change anything?
No I am not a celebrity.
I just live in a very small town...That should be enough lol
I understand completely!
i think it's hilarious how you (kapunua) think that all the people disagreeing with you are the same "troll". this is the second time i have EVER commented on this blog, my first being the comment you replied to. for you to think otherwise makes you ignorant and paranoid :)
Yeah but these kids are different. They really don't mean any harm when they write so it really shouldn't bother Gerard and the rest of the guys. What should be worrying them as a group, is... What's next for us? You know?
Yeah like the album was kind of disappointing and their attitude this year has been quite "stank" towards a lot of people. Fans as well as ex fans you know what I mean ?
They will continue to write Fan fiction. This should be the least of mcr's worries. They are after all"straight" men.
It really shouldn't bother them.
But it does bother them. They've said so as recently as last week.
do you have a link to the interview?
But it does bother them. They've said so as recently as last week.
Yeah I know I saw it on tumblr!
That's the funny thing about it. Why are they letting fan fiction get to them ?
You can't really blame us for thinking people are trolls when we do get trolled so often. And honestly, most of the time when someone gets called a troll it's when they try to come off as one of us. I don't think the regs here call people who disagree with us trolls, it's usually only the ones who attack or who pose as one of us to make us look over-the-top crazy that gets called a troll.
Having said that, I also have to say I don't buy the "I'm not a fan of MCR or the fanfic, but I'm here to call you out on your hypocrisy" bullshit. People who don't like the band really wouldn't give two shits what we say about them.
Link to NME interview from last week.
People who don't like the band really wouldn't give two shits what we say about them.
This!
Talk about hypocrisy! It's okay to write erotic gay fiction about straight men, but not okay to call Tom Hardy "sex on legs"?
MCR fans. Making no sense whatsoever since 2002.
merci beaucoup
So it is wrong for us to say he is sex on two legs, but it's okay to write about Frank shoving his pecker in Gerard's butt.
That was very sexist for me to say that, i will change it to Lindsey sticking her pecker in Gerard's butt.
Writing slash porn about MCR isn't sexist. It's much worse. It's invasive, disrespectful, and downright squicky.
It's fiction they need to relax. I see it as harmless material. They are grown men. Those women don't know anything about them personally they just make up shit for entertainment so why are they even phased by a few fictional words ?
ok anon how would you feel about someone writing about you and your friends in a sexual and degrading way?
This is a pretty typical "let me pretend to be on your side and say stupid things" troll. A technique as transparent as it is old.
No Kapunua. Sometimes you too post stupid things with too much emphasis on feminist dogma.
The regs on this blog don't have a problem with Tom Hardy or any man using his sexuality and sex to get ahead in show biz but they do have a problem with LynZ Way doing the same thing?
Absolutely hilarious.
My god, since when did some of you guys start to care about mcr fanfiction ?
And yes, I have been written about negatively and erotically. I don't give a shit what people think. Isn't that what they preach about all the time ? Not caring what people think or write ?
I thought they were secure people... well, they seemed like secure and overly confident people on twitter.
Now a little thing like fanfiction is bothering them? I don't want to argue. I just think they have better things to worry about then lil ol' fiction writers.
"Fiction" should be about fictitious characters.
When you turn a real person into a fictional character, it's the ultimate way to objectify them. It's a way to feel like you can control that person. I wouldn't feel comfortable if someone were doing that to me, so it doesn't surprise me that the members of MCR feel uncomfortable with fanfic.
The question is why are they reading it? If they know of it's existence wouldn't you ignore it?
I thought they were secure people... well, they seemed like secure and overly confident people on twitter.
Strange isn't it considering they and their friends have no problem with MSI and their lyrics.
That's usually followed by thoughts and comments like you're dead to me, you don't exist in my world or you should have never been born because you're such an imbecile for not seeing things the exact same way that I see things.
Yeah, I knew it was you. Wow, why does it still bug you after, what, years? That I didn't want to talk to your sorry ass?
Feminist dogma
Go back to watching Rush Limbough instead of reading here, if you don't like it.
The question is why are they reading it? If they know of it's existence wouldn't you ignore it?
They get asked about it all of the time. Since the very beginning, MCR has been the target of so much of slashfic, more than any other band out there. It just can't be ignored, even by journalists.
I knew about MCR slash before I even knew who MCR was, because girls at my high school used to talk about it. I remember one girl used to print out copies of Bert/Gerard fic and give it to friends of hers whose parents didn't let them have unlimited access to the internet. Fans have open conversations about Frerard on all the fan communities. I've even seen people tweeting Lindsey about it. It would be impossible for the band to ignore it.
It's not only high school kids. Elena from Mayo's is in her 50s and she had a fanfiction account for MCR slash. She called herself MCRmywife.
Ick with a side order of nast! Are you saying Elena from Mayo's actually writes MCR slash?
this mad me think of this quote:
"Tre reads the dirty ones. I've read a few. It's flattering and sort of weird at the same time. I don't really know what to think about young girls thinking about old men like that. But the ones I have read were very well-written and as long as kids these days are still being creative and writing, then I think it's cool."
Billie Joe Armstrong on Green Day fanfiction.. I knwo ti has nothing to do with MCR fanfic but it's all I could think of, sorry.
Don't know if Elena wrote any anon (she used to write very poorly at Mayo, some dumb "gothic" a few of them were writing) but she had a list of bookmarked MCR porn that she shared with others.
Why bring Elena up? And her account name? This is tacky. It reeks of trolling at them. Which really makes bitching at some of their behavior less valid when you start behaving the same way.
If one of them wants to troll here, let her. Just ignore her. Don't give her what she wants by lumping all of them together and starting the old BS again.
Go away, Elena. You got brought up because your friends were confusing their version of "objectification" with real, actual, creepy objectification, like writing and collecting porn about real persons. Now I could give a damn about how anyone treats MCR but if you don't like where that conversation leads to, don't start it.
In a conversation about real person fanfiction where MCR is concerned, of course the name "Elena" is going to come up.
Go back to watching Rush Limbough instead of reading here, if you don't like it
Thank you for your recommendation but I don't need to. I'm not a conservative, just more in the middle than you Kapunua.
They get asked about it all of the time. Since the very beginning, MCR has been the target of so much of slashfic, more than any other band out there. It just can't be ignored, even by journalists
Ohh I wonder why. I suppose if you're constantly rubbing yourself on your fellow band members that's just providing creative imagery for these pseudo authors.
Elena is decent writer I like her stuff and unlike some fan fiction she doesn't have the guys fucking each other or having relations with their own kids. Yes there is fiction about Gerard and Bandit, absolutely sickening. I don't see why Elena is being singled out.
Plus in an old interview Ray said that they like that we're creative in writing fiction they just want us to stop making them have sex with each other.
Nothing wrong with fan fiction as long as its not taken too far.
Lol at the people coming out of the woodwork to justify their pathetic hobby.
I don't think there's anything wrong with writing fanfiction about tv shows, films, etc.. In other words, about fictional characters that already exist. But why write about real people? I just don't get it.
Regardless of what Ray said, it's obvious that the members of MCR don't like it. I saw the interview with Ray about it, and he was grossed out. Obviously, Mikey was grossed out and he used the term "vile".
Fans can justify it all they like, but the fact remains, the members of MCR find fanfiction about them distasteful, and so does a large majority of the general population. But obviously, the fangirls don't care.
Awww. Boo-hoo, people write fan fiction about us. Waaaah, waaaah, waaaaah. Who forces them to read this crap, anyway? There are far worse things written about them on the internet and those are things people really think about them. So why get riled up about fictional stories in which their names are used? And it is fiction even if those fan girls/boys use real names. They become fictional characters in those stories since nothing those characters do in those stories is realistic. Apart from that, they shouldn't be at all surprised that their fans are writing those stories. They fueled the fans' imagination with all the groping and kissing on stage and I remember quite a few disturbing pictures of Gerard and Serial-Killer-Face looking like two lovers instead of two brothers.
They wanted the fans to get hot about those things and now they have to live with the consequences. It's so typical of MCR that they use to do things without actually thinking about how this might affect their future lives and when the future becomes the present they start whining and blame others for their own mistakes. Idiots.
I just wish you guys would stop bringing those Mayo people into the conversation.
Yes, I know we're supposed to be able to talk about anything and all that, but I don't see how the Mayo people are the least bit relevant here. Everyone knows Mayo is some crazy who pretends to be Gerard and the people who go there believe it. Why give them any validation by mentioning them? It seems to me you're just giving them what they want.
So the latest "scandal" in the MCR fandom is that a picture of Gerard, Lynz and Bandit out grocery shopping somehow made it's way on to the net and it's causing hysteria amongst the fansheep. The fans are saying it's an invasion of privacy. but I personally don't think it's a big deal, bigger stars get snapped all the time with their kids. It's the norm when you're in the public eye. MCR fans have a tendency to make a mountain out of a molehill.
So what's new in MCR land apart from stupidity and total hypocrisy.
I don't think the people at Mayo's really believe it's Gerard. They're just there for a bit of role playing. Makes no sense to me, but diff'rent strokes, I guess. Kind of like the fanfic. Whatever keeps them from slitting their wrists or whatever.
Lol, where was this picture of Gerard, Lynz and Bandit posted, The Z List?
Yes, I know we're supposed to be able to talk about anything and all that, but I don't see how the Mayo people are the least bit relevant here.
Because they keep coming back here and trolling. "Elena is a good writer," LMFAO. You think that's not Elena or one of her moron friends? Come on.
The Welsh kid thinks it's Gerard. Someone should tell her the truth.
Good writers can come up with original characters of their own.
I can understand if people are honing their craft with fanfiction, if they're writing about characters, but writing stories about some singer and his kid? That's cringe-worthy.
Because they keep coming back here and trolling. "Elena is a good writer," LMFAO. You think that's not Elena or one of her moron friends? Come on.
Yeah, I agree with this statement. I think they must be trying to get more people to come to their stupid play-pretend blog.
I have always found RPF totally creepy. And I don't believe in the "asking for it" aspect of fame. People should be allowed to be famous without others writing porn stories about them. Eww.
With that said, I DGAF what happens to the members of MCR. It's just, I personally can't imagine doing something like that to someone I claimed to like.
Kapunua,
Didn't you believe that Mayo was Gerard Way at one time? Don't you still believe that SS was Frank Iero?
How can you sit here and allow the people at Mayo's to be called delusional when you believed the same thing some of them do? When you believed that you were touching a star. When you believed that Frank Iero was a close, personal friend of yours because of Mayo's blog. You did say that you were sorry you ever called him a friend at Mayo's.
Just curious how you rationalize these things to yourself and to your new friends.
Kapunua do you think the regs at Mayo's blog are all role playing? I'm interested in your thoughts.
I don't think Mayo was Gerard. At one point I wondered if he might be, because Mayo seemed to know certain things that had yet to happen, and that other people later confirmed. He might have been someone on their crew or something.
I still think that Frank was SS. I met Frank that one time, and then the next day SS came on and confirmed something I had said. Again, it could have been someone in his crew who overheard/saw or whatever, but who knows. Seems more likely that it was him.
I never thought we were close, personal friends or anything. Just someone I talked to on a blog. "Friends" are people you hang out with and talk to regularly. I actually made some really good friends on that blog, like Sdock, Smoke, RW and Fimble. These are folks I still talk to all the time.
As of now, I find the whole thing really bizarre. I'd always hoped that Mayo would have the grace to say"Oh by the way, here's who I actually am," but s/he seems more interested in continuing the game. It's weird.
I don't care what people there believe - why would I? My issue with those people has nothing to do with Mayo, SS, Frank or Gerard. You know that, anon. And I'm more than happy to never hear of/from them again.
Your thoughts are appreciated Kapunua. Again I ask, do you think that the remaining regs at Mayo's are part of the charade?
Weirdly enough, I just found this article, from the blogger at Tiger Beatdown.
‘I’m glad your stupid cat died,’ someone wrote me last October. ‘You’re next, bitch,’ and followed up with my street address.
...
It’s a good week, these days, if I only get 15-20 emails from people telling me how much they think I should die, or how much they hope I get raped, or how much they hope my cat dies or I lose my job or fall in a hole or get shot by police or any number of things people seem to think it’s urgently important to tell me in their quest to get me to shut up. We are not talking about disagreements, about calls for intersectionality, about differing approaches, about political variance, about lively debate and discussion that sometimes turns acrimonious and damaging. We are talking about sustained campaigns of hate from people who believe that we are inhuman and should be silenced; the misogynists, the ‘men’s rights activists,’ the anti-reproductive rights movement, the extreme conservatives, the fundamentalists. The haters.
She also goes on to say that these same people accuse her of having "Histrionic Personality Disorder" and being "an attention whore."
She runs a feminist blog, though. Me, I just post on one. It does say a lot about the people who say those things though, doesn't it?
8:44, I don't know. I'm not sure what the charade would be. Dude doesn't even post anymore to begin with, so I'm not sure what there would even be to "charade" about, or even talk about.
Mayo returned a few days ago.
How can you sit here and allow the people at Mayo's to be called delusional when you believed the same thing some of them do? When you believed that you were touching a star.
Lol forever @ "touching a star". How sad do people have to be if that's what they dream about? So what if this guy is in a rock band? He's no better than you or I (in my opinion, he's a gigantic douchebag), so why clamor to have him speak a word or two to you on a blog?
I don't know. I suppose if pretending that they're having an exchange or two with Gerard Way helps them to be able to crawl into bed at night with their fat, bald, wrinkly husbands, then good for them. Still, it seems damn pathetic to me.
Mayo returned a few days ago.
and he's still pretending to be Gerard.
Dude should own up.
I'd rather have a fat, bald, wrinkly husband than a douchebag like Gerard Way.
Ehhh that's just lame, then.
That was in response to the "still pretending" thing, though he used to leave things open to interpretation. I used to think he was the lighting guy at concerts or something along those lines.
I don't think this latest post leaves much doubt that Mayo wants to be perceived as Gerard. It's obviously supposed to be about Bandit. And yeah, it is lame.
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