I believe this blog is more about the people here who come to chat than it is about some stupid sexist band. But, I like the fact that there is a place for everyone to vent about these particular sexists bands, as well as other issues that might be on your mind. I think this blog has grown a lot.
In the past few months we've seen another celebrity lose it and start screaming racist and sexist things (Mel Gibson) and there was some discussion about that too. I personally don't see too much of a difference between Mel Gibson screaming the N word and talking about rape and "bitches" MSI screaming the N word and talking about rape and "bitches". Hate speech is hate speech. Except Mel Gibson seriously wants to hurt people and MSI just seem to think it's funny. It still creates an atmosphere that welcomes hate and violence towards women, by laughing about it and thinking it's so funny.
One thing I want to say here is that I believe the regulars here are too smart to honestly believe that Gerard Way's hair color or other random things has anything to do with pregnancy. I see a lot of trolls coming in pretending to be "someone from VVs" and putting forward these ridiculous theories. I think they're trying to make people here look like they are illogical.
And I know that many people here have spoken out against calling them "fat" or "ugly". So many of you have posted over and over again how you don't care about that. You call people out on their behavior, and things they can help, things they do on purpose..... not how they look. That's what I like about this place.
But from what I can see a lot of the trolls keep bringing those things up, trying to reduce this blog to their level. I said it before and I'm saying it again. The regulars here are not like that and probably know what you're up to.
If you don't like it here, that's fine, you can stay at all your other blogs. Or you can enter into an intelligent conversation. But if all you have to offer is "LOL hair color = pregnancy" or "LOL that woman is FAT" then just know, officially, this blog doesn't welcome that and neither do the regulars.
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«Oldest ‹Older 1201 – 1384 of 1384Have fun with your fun movie night and ice cream, Kapunua. :D
Thanks! :D
tying to understand why many people will feel disrespected if the Mosque is built near ground zero
Many of the people who lost family members on 9 11 have stated that they feel it would be disrespecting the memories of their loved ones to build a Mosque near ground zero.
I get it, but I disagree. If that's the case, then families of people murdered my CHristian fanatics would also feel disrespected by a Christian church in the vicinity of the murder.
But you never hear about that.
History is much like an endless Waltz. The Triple Measure of war, peace, and revolution goes on and on.
The constitution also gives people who don't agree with the building of the Mosque / Muslim community center near ground zero the right to protest and speak out against it.
Yes it does, but ultimately I don't see what good it will do, unless the protesters somehow manage to change the minds of the people who are building it.
Maybe they should try and raise money to buy the property from the Muslims if they are so determined the Mosque not be built?
Still, I don't understand why people oppose it. Radical extremists do not represent the majority of Muslims.
Reid speaks out against Ground Zero mosque location
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-10994421
Senator Harry Reid A spokesman for Harry Reid said the senator felt the mosque should be built "somewhere else"
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid has broken step with President Barack Obama on plans to build a mosque near the site of the 9/11 terror attacks, saying he disagrees with its construction.
A spokesman for Mr Reid, a Democrat facing a close election race in Nevada, said the senator thought the mosque should be built "somewhere else".
The president has come under fire after defending the planned mosque last week.
Many conservatives say Mr Obama is out of touch with the views of Americans.
Mr Reid's remarks came as campaigning for November's mid-term polls heats up.
I get it, but I disagree. If that's the case, then families of people murdered my CHristian fanatics would also feel disrespected by a Christian church in the vicinity of the murder.
Exactly. The Christian religion has had its share of radical extremists who have perpetrated horrors against humanity in the name of religion.
Obama mosque comments reflect nuanced controversy
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-10991021
But now, Mr Obama's comments have firmly transformed this local New York squabble into a billowing national debate.
He told guests at a Friday dinner honouring the Islamic holy month of Ramadan that America's commitment to religions freedom must be "unshakeable", and that Muslims in America have every right to practise their faith.
"That includes the right to build a place of worship and a community centre on private property in lower Manhattan, in accordance with local laws and ordinances," Mr Obama said.
The following day, Mr Obama clarified those comments, saying that his remarks referred only to the right of Muslims to build their centre, not the wisdom of choosing a site so close to Ground Zero.
"Americans can both support the right to build a mosque at the same time that they oppose the building of this particular mosque so close to a delicate site”
It's not necessarily inconsistent to be bothered by the presence of a mosque near the site of a devastating attack by jihadists, but still defend the universal right of the faithful to practice their religion without restrictions or interference from the government.
A recent poll draws out that distinction.
It asked respondents first if they believed that the Ground Zero mosque was appropriate. An overwhelming 64% replied that it was not.
The follow-up question asked if the Muslim group had the right to build the mosque, to which a similarly large proportion – 61% – responded that yes, they do.
Clearly there is an overlap between Americans who support the right to build the mosque but maintain a belief that it's a poor decision to do so.
That's the same ground Mr Obama straddled with his comments last weekend.
But whether the public heard the nuance in the communicator-in-chief's remarks – or whether his comments will be lost in frenzy of cable chatter over their supposed political toxicity – may not be clear until November.
Source:BBC
Wow. The new gallery they picked is so fucking insignificant that the only google search result is for Jessicka's own blog... -
http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=%22Dark+Dark+Science+Gallery%22+Los+Angeles&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&fp=ea2cd8eab02d18af
And the website on said blog doesn't even work!!!
www.darkdarkscience.com
Ha! I think those two idiots just got massively suckered!!!
Hmmm. I wonder what the scheduling conflict was. Where was the exhibit originally supposed to be?
Here - http://www.royal-t.org/ It's where they held that Hello Kitty thing and why G and the wifey were in attendance...
Wow. I feel kind of bad for them. It's really short notice to be rescheduling.
i dont. the roid says she hasnt even finished her paintings yet. its obvious that neither of them is taking this seriously.
probably because they know they dont have to.
I'm actually hoping that Lindsey's show proves that she does have some talent.
I can't stand her when she's "playing" with MSI or when she's claiming to be a "role model", but if she has some success as an artist then she won't be inclined to go back to MSI and we won't have to listen to her fake feminist b.s. anymore.
Besides, I don't wish bad things for anybody. It would be a great thing if she succeeds at something she really is good at.
What about all you idiots who love Kings of Leotards? Their music is some of the most sexist I've ever heard. They even use the C-word in one of their songs and they sing about STDs.
August 15, 2010 7:37 PM
Only one person used to refer to KOL as "kings of Leotards" here.
I don't post here very much anymore, but I just wanted to throw my two cents in on the Gaga/LynZ thing. Before I say anything though that will get me labeled a LynZ hater I will say that I have met her, and she was nothing but sweet. That being said, her band is disgusting and their lyrical content hideous. I know that she has said she doesn't even know what the words are, but that doesn't let her off the hook. She attached herself to the music for whatever reason (money, fame, adventure) and shouldn't be allowed to back track away from it because it might hurt her husbands status amongst younger fans and their parents. I think LynZ has real talent as a visual artist, and her artwork, while not everyones taste, is pretty good on its own merit. Musically, I don't understand how she can say she's a role model when she does nothing but pluck at the E string on her bass and dance around. She also can't shout from the rooftops that she supports gay rights, child advocacy and feminism, when her bands music is in direct contrast.
Gaga has always openly supported gay rights and has never done anything that I have seen that would seem hypocritical. Fashion aside, Gaga is extremely talented. She writes her own music, dances, plays instruments and has sold millions of records. All of this by the age of 24. That is something to admire.
I don't have an issue with LynZ wearing a short skirt or back bending and showing panties. The problem with her being a role model is that she has done nothing aside from get lucky, to have earned musical success. Yes, touring is hard work, but when you're not really being expected to play your instrument or write music in your off time, there isn't much for you to complain about. I wouldn't want my kids to aspire to be like her, whereas if I had a teenage girl I wouldn't mind them looking up to someone like Gaga or even that annoying Beiber kid. For the simple reason that they prove hard work, talent and an unshakable belief in ones self can earn you your dreams.
And someone wanted to know how Madonna and her stage exploits are any different from LynZ? How could you even compare those two? Madonna has had a huge successful career for over 20 years. In another year or so, no one will even remember LynZ's name. And that's the difference between talented people, and people who just got lucky.
I agree with you (8:57AM). have you rly met her? How was her?
Once on Buzznet I read that a girl (a fan of MSI) met her with her little brother.
The Roid was smoking and this fangirl asked politely her to stop, because her brother had problems with his breathing apparatus.
She laughed and blowed her smoke against his face.
That boy got worst with his problems, and the girl stopped to be a fan of them, and started to hate them.
Silvia, is English a second language for you?
because her brother had problems with his breathing apparatus.
She laughed and blowed her smoke against his face.
Link to the reliable source please.
Were you the one who claimed to be a brain surgeon once? Or the one who said they were a psychology student.
lulz
Oh God, did you guys see that picture on the Time Magazine cover a while back who had her nose cut off because she ran away from her abusive inlaws in Afghanistan? I couldn't even read the article. The picture alone made me cry.
August 16, 2010 12:54 PM
I did see the Time cover and I read the article. It's heartbreaking that women in the world today are still subjected to such forms of justice.
Her judge, a local Taliban commander, was unmoved. Later, he would tell Aisha's uncle that she had to be made an example of lest other girls in the village try to do the same thing. The commander gave his verdict, and men moved in to deliver the punishment. Aisha's brother-in-law held her down while her husband pulled out a knife. First he sliced off her ears. Then he started on her nose. Aisha passed out from the pain but awoke soon after, choking on her own blood. The men had left her on the mountainside to die
These women are the 21st century's pioneers in the fight for equal rights for women. Basic rights for women. Like being allowed to go to school and not being treated like property.
Silvia, is English a second language for you?
Yes it is. Why?
Link to the reliable source please.
Were you the one who claimed to be a brain surgeon once? Or the one who said they were a psychology student.
lulz
I'm new here btw.
A Tale of Two Silvia's.
How will we differentiate?
Doesn't anyone spell Sylvia with y anymore?
8:57 am I like your comment
Well rounded and well said
that should read "A.M" not am, sorry
Her judge, a local Taliban commander, was unmoved. Later, he would tell Aisha's uncle that she had to be made an example of lest other girls in the village try to do the same thing. The commander gave his verdict, and men moved in to deliver the punishment. Aisha's brother-in-law held her down while her husband pulled out a knife. First he sliced off her ears. Then he started on her nose. Aisha passed out from the pain but awoke soon after, choking on her own blood. The men had left her on the mountainside to die
I was very moved by this story. This girl is so brave. I was left wondering about the mindset of the people inflicting this barbarism.
From thinkbabynames.com:
The girl's name Silvia is pronounced SIL-vee-ah. It is of Latin origin, and the meaning of Silvia is "woods, forest". Variant of Sylvia. Shakespeare used Silvia for a heroine's name in "Two Gentlemen of Verona".
Silvia has 13 variant forms: Silva, Silvana, Silvanna, Silvestra, Silvi, Silvie, Silvija, Sirvana, Sirvanna, Silvy, Silvya, Sylvia and Sylvie.
Baby names that sound like Silvia are Salvia and Zilvia.
Silvia is a very common first name for women (#459 out of 4276) and also a very common last name for both men and women (#4001 out of 88799). (1990 U.S. Census)
Sylvie's cute. I like that one the best.
I think Silvia is a lovely name, any way you spell it.
so not only could jess and the roid NOT get a legitimate gallery to host them, the gallery they did "get" will only host them for a single night.
wow. i guess even the rest of society sees those as pretentious losers.
maybe life really is fair after all...
JGL anon and others who recommended it: I just watched Mysterious Skin. Gosh, I don't even know what to say, at first!
I think you'd have to be a real hardass / cynic not to find that movie completely difficult to watch. So many times I wanted to shut it off - a few moments were nearly unbearable. But at the same time, it was such a fantastically acted movie.
And you were right when you said that JGL looks like such a baby, that watching a few of those scenes (you probably know the main one) was like getting punched in the face.
I'd only ever seen him in Inception before this so it was like, DAMN.
Homeboy has some serious range.
Still, OMG, what a devastating movie.
I think that everyone who thinks that rape and child porn are, yanno, hilarious, should maybe give it a look.
I really enjoyed JGL in Brick. It had a very old school film noir vibe about it. Lukas Haas was pretty amazing as well.
Mysterious Skin was such a heavy movie. JGL was so great in it though. He devoured that character. Brady Corbet was also phenomenal.
Gahhh still can't make the images go away. "Heavy" is a good word for it. Yes, the other kid was amazing. They all were, I thought, even the hideous people.
A great movie I never want to see again, TBH.
"Brick" eh? Something else to look up. ;)
I agree with everything you said about Mysterious Skin, Kapunua, especially this:
I think that everyone who thinks that rape and child porn are, yanno, hilarious, should maybe give it a look.
And yeah. Although it was brilliantly acted, I really don't think I could watch it again. The first time was painful enough.
I'll tell you something that really bothers me is when people use .gifs from it on JGL fanposts at places like tumblr and ontd, and then go on about about how "sexy" and "hot" they are. I mean, how sick is that? I'm not a violent person, but sometimes I really just want to punch people in the face. You know what I mean?
/rant
I really enjoyed JGL in Brick. It had a very old school film noir vibe about it. Lukas Haas was pretty amazing as well.
I agree. I really admire JGL for the choices he has made in his career. Brick is such a unique movie, especially considering that most movie-goers today are into special effects, sequels and being hit over the head with the storyline so they don't have to try and figure out anything for themselves. Which is probably why so many people haven't seen it and Kiss Kiss Bang Bang, which is one of my favorite films ever.
And yes, I love Lukas Haas. He's one of those actors who really intrigues me. I wish he would get more roles.
KKBB IS IN MY TOP TEN. I love that movie so hard, every second of it. Hilarious and adorable. Perry Van Shrike is my hero. :)
I'll tell you something that really bothers me is when people use .gifs from it on JGL fanposts at places like tumblr and ontd, and then go on about about how "sexy" and "hot" they are.
You have to be effing kidding me. >_<
That's rape culture for you. Ugh, people just feed into it.
Okay, so Brick, I now have another movie to rent, hopefully thursday. ^_^
Perry Van Shrike is my hero. :)
I adore Gay Perry. I even named my iPhone after him. No kidding. When I'm syncing it to my iTunes, my computer says, "Now syncing Gay Perry."
Anyway, I hope you enjoy Brick. Let me know what you think. :)
One of the things about Brick that I loved so much was the dialogue. A lot of people I know who have seen the film got annoyed with the way the kids spoke, but I thought it was genius. There was an entire subculture of speech that I haven't seen been done in film before. A Clockwork Orange excluded.
Oh. That ^ was me, by the way.
:D
Whoops. Or not.
10:04 was me.
A lot of people I know who have seen the film got annoyed with the way the kids spoke, but I thought it was genius.
This. People have even told me they couldn't understand it because of the dialogue. Which kind of makes me go "WTF?"
I thought it was one of the things that made the film so interesting.
Blah, blah, JGL, blah, Jeff Pornoy, blah, blah, spinning tops, blah, Brick, blah, 'rape culture', blah, that hideous dude with big lips in Inception, blah, 'film noir', Gay Perry, blah, blah, 'storylines', 'intriguing' actors, blah, blah, Mysterious Skin, 'brilliant', blah, blah blah.
Nobody wants to read this crap. This is worse than the poetryfest at Mayo's. Why don't you two go have your mutual asskissing admiration society somewhere else. Get a room for fuck's sake.
You guys wanna get a room with me? How about a spinning, zero-gravity one? :)
Now, I'm really looking forward to seeing Brick. I sense more ice cream on the horizon. :D
You guys wanna get a room with me? How about a spinning, zero-gravity one? :)
Sounds like a good time to me. Especially if the "dude with big lips from Inception" and JGL are going to be there. :)
How about you, 1st anon at 10:05? You coming too?
Cool, we can tie everyone together with a phone cord! :)
ynn said...
Makes you wonder why after all of this time they couldn't made another blog to talk to each other. Makes me feel like they wanted a certain person to read what they wrote even though they have been MIA a long time ago
"
They do have another blog where they talk to each other. Including the MIA person.
Lol. Sure they do.
Monday, August 2, 2010
The Hallways are Hell
When one door closes another door opens;
but we often look so long and so regretfully upon the closed door
that we do not see the ones which open for us.
Alexander Graham Bell
P.S. Do not think badly of him
Both MIA persons.
If they have another blog where they talk to Mayo, then why is Elena still pining away for him over at the rock post?
They do have another blog where they talk to each other. Including the MIA person.
Good for them. How special. Now run along back to it and leave this blog in peace.
Ask her. She knows about the other blog. It wasn't a secret. Mayo learned his lesson after MWM.
*rolls eyes*
n1curr
How about you, 1st anon at 10:05? You coming too?
I'm not 10:05, but can I come too?
I've been a fan of JGL since Angels in the outfield. He was one of the best things about 3RFTS.
Omg, was he the little kid from Angels in the Outfield? He was so cute! Now I'm going to have to watch that again.
He was. He was David Collins in the tv revival of Dark Shadows too and he had a recurring role as one of DJ's friends on Roseanne. Before landing the role of Tommy Solomon on 3rd Rock from the Sun.
He was also the 2nd male lead in 10 Things I hate about You with Heath Ledger.:)
I remember him from A River Runs Through It. He played Norman as a young boy.
You have to admire a child actor who seems to have such a good head on his shoulders. He could have turned out like the 2 Coreys.
He credits his parents for some of that level headedness.
My dad never blew anything up, but he probably had friends who did. He and my mom have always preached that the pen is mightier than a Molotov cocktail." [on his parents' activist youths.]
I've had a select set of really beautiful, powerful, psychedelic experiences on certain drugs but I never got into just doing it at a party: 'Oh let's get f-ed up and drop acid'. That's so retarded and disrespectful to your body and the drug itself. Mushrooms, acid and ecstasy can offer you a new perspective. They can also offer you nothing.
The whole concept of celebrity pisses me off. While I'm not a celebrity, it's such a weird concept that society has cooked up for us. Astronauts and teachers are much more amazing than actors.
Actors didn't use to be celebrities. A hundred years ago, they put the theaters next to the brothels. Actors were poor. Celebrities used to be kings and queens. Then the United States abolished monarchy, and now there's this coming together of show business and celebrity. I don't think it's healthy. I don't want to sound self-important, but all these celebrity shows and magazines - it comes from us, from Hollywood, from our country. We're the ones creating it. And I think it works in close step with a lot of other bad things that are happening in the world. It promotes greed, it promotes being selfish and it promotes this ladder, where you're a better person if you have more money. It's not at all about the work itself. Don't get me wrong. I love movies. But this myth of celebrity has nothing to do with movies.
That's quite interesting. Not sure how "level-headed" a shroomer is but, heh, not my body. ;D
He's just fantastic on screen and he sure has a different perspective.
I've read that he used to do pot about once a month when he was in high school and he experimented with those other things early on, but now he only admits to very occasionally smoking pot.
“When I was in high school, I loved smoking weed. I loved it. But I cut myself to once a month. That was my rule. And so as the first of the month came closer, my friends would be like, ‘All right, what’s the plan this weekend?’ And actually it’s really cool—when you do it that infrequently, you can really trip. In hindsight, could I have smoked weed on the weekends? Yeah. But it was cool to do it once a month. I still do that sometimes—I go on little weedfests. I’m a pothead. That’s my drug of choice.”
Verita should rename this the Joseph Gordon what-his-face blog.
I haven't a clue what you are all on about!
I thought I was on a different blog for a mo. Is it just me, or are other people just as confused?
I love talking about other things here. I think it's great. Besides, MCR just seems so over.
Maybe when and if the new record comes out we'll have stuff to say about them, but for the most part I just think talk about them is boring now.
The new MCR cd will be out soon enough. Then all of you can get back to the hate and using Gerard, Mikey and Frank as your favourite celebrity punching bags.
You'll have Lynz's art and twitters to hate on til then.
Big deal 3:08.
The new MCR cd will be out soon enough. Then all of you can get back to the hate and using Gerard, Mikey and Frank as your favourite celebrity punching bags.
I don't know. Even though the new record is supposed to be imminent according to the fangirls at chemicalromance, there really doesn't seem to be that much excitement. I think at this point only the diehards really give a shit. It's been too long in coming and there have been too many false starts.
Besides, Gerard, Frank and Mikey (? - was he ever a target here? He's always seemed pretty irrelevant) don't even seem worth the effort it takes to hate on them anymore.
Sorry, I forgot to put "hate" in quotes because after all. Hate is such a strong word. I don't hate MCR. I just really, really, really don't like them. ;P
I had one of those clown punching toys when I was little. You know the ones I'm talking about? I hated it because I've always thought clowns were scary -- Pennywise and all. Anyway, you would punch it and it would pop back up to be punched again. It was great fun.
If I wanted a "punching bag" I'd go out and get myself another one of those.
Since Verita said this blog could be a place to discuss feminist issues, I would like to ask your opinions on something.
How do you guys feel about plastic surgery? I have a weak chin and a slight bump on my nose that have always made me feel self-conscious. I'm making decent money now and I'm thinking about having them fixed. Do any of you have experience with plastic surgery? As feminists, do you have strong opinions about it?
I think you should do it if it makes you feel better about yourself. Just so long as you're doing it for yourself I think plastc surgery can be a good thing.
"And someone wanted to know how Madonna and her stage exploits are any different from LynZ? How could you even compare those two? Madonna has had a huge successful career for over 20 years. In another year or so, no one will even remember LynZ's name. And that's the difference between talented people, and people who just got lucky." - Anon 8:57
Madonna admitted that she blew Jellybean to get him to play her tracks. Madonna also "married up." Madonna is not a great singer. Madonna does not write her own material. Madonna used sex and shock value to gain attention for herself. You don't know how long Lindsey's career is going to be yet, she's 20 years younger than Madonna. That's how I can compare them.
"I think that everyone who thinks that rape and child porn are, yanno, hilarious, should maybe give it a look."
Who the hell ever said that they were hilarious, Kapu? Are we still on about MSI's lyrics? Seriously, hasn't anyone ever heard "Aqualung" by Jethro Tull before? No one ever dubbed them creepy:
"Sitting on a park bench
eyeing little girls with bad intent. Snot running down his nose
greasy fingers smearing shabby clothes. Drying in the cold sun
Watching as the frilly panties run."
Source: Aqualung lyrics
Just because a person writes a lyric meant to be either tongue-in-cheek (i.e. embracing the negative term hurled at them,) "Faggot," or from another person's perspective "Aqualung," "Five Year Old Pantyshot" does not mean that they find an actual atrocity funny!
Also, cracking an innocent joke or making an offhand remark does not make you an anything-ist. You have to actually believe that someone is inferior to you in order to warrant that term.
Madonna admitted that she blew Jellybean to get him to play her tracks. Madonna also "married up."
Okay, wait. What?
Where did Madonna admit to "blowing" Jellybean to get him to play her tracks?
I've heard during the years that she had a relationship with him, but not that specific story -- that she said, "Oh hai, Jellybean. I'll blow you if you'll play my tracks." Source?
And "married up?" Guy Ritchie? Or Sean Penn? And how is that "up"?
"Hmm anyone else think that dstarpro WAS the anon who was badgering Kapu? Seems funny that she had the same links." - August 16, 2010 7:22 AM
Um, no, once again, I never post anonymously. People keep trying to tell you that they don't double post, yet you refuse to accept it - a side effect of allowing everyone to post anonymously in the first place; you don't know who's who.
I actually defended Kapu at times, so why would I shred her? I don't know anything about the Mayo situation, by the way. I only know that the blog existed and that people thought it was GWay.
"Go look for responses calling us fat, stupid, freaks, etc., from MCR supporters. I think they probably outnumber the ones you have been pointing out." - August 16, 2010 7:28 AM
I absolutely disagree with those posts and I have never, ever made one. The fanbase is far from perfect (most aren't) and I've always said so.
Kinda like Jessicka Addams "blew" Twiggy Ramirez so Marilyn Manson would take Jack Off Jill on tour with them?
"MCR in effect said, "Hey guys. We're different. We respect women and we value our fans. We have the same values you do." And then they got famous and did a 180 on that." - August 16, 2010 10:48 AM
But I really don't see where they've proven otherwise yet though. I'm not seeing the 180.
"Dstarpro would NOT take anyone else's opinion as an answer." - August 16, 2010 12:16 PM
Examples, please? I've done nothing but listen to, consider and validate everyone's arguments for awhile now. If I disagree, I say so politely, I don't personally attack anybody. Some of you have returned the favor and some of you have given me just as little credibility as you seem to think I have you.
More about GWay and the "Fuck yourselves" thing - I think maybe in retrospect he might've thought that one through more carefully. He has said that he loses himself in stupidity up there. It became like a thing for a short while, but I honestly don't think he meant to be offensive, just to have the audience chant with him and to crack the joke that women are always faking orgasm anyway, so yeah, make that sound.
For the record, I'm playing devil's advocate with the Leto posts. He hasn't proven to me that he's sexist either, far from.
Wow. I'm inspired.
I'm going to go to that Richard Hammond site and give them a 15 bullet point presentation on why they shouldn't dislike poor Richard and how their arguments don't hold up.
Except not. Because I realize that celebrities have people who dislike them and I don't really care if there are people out there who think he's smug, overexposed, greedy, etc.
I also live in the real world so I realize that I won't be invited to tea at the Hammonds' castle as a reward.
Regarding the other, very serious issues being discussed in here:
I lost my husband to lung complications due to his work at Ground Zero. While I understand both sides of the argument, the idea of a mosque being built nearby really doesn't bother me, per se. I say per se only because I'm kind of anti-organized religion right now, and don't really want to see anyone's symbols in public.
Freedom of religion is freedom of religion, and we need to stop demonizing Islam for the way that a few radicals have interpreted the Koran to suit their own purposes. Otherwise, it's exactly like dubbing all Catholics child molesters.
Regarding the ways in which women are treated worse than dogs in some parts of the world: it's shameful, disgraceful, and if we're going to reform immigration, we should start by offering amnesty to victims of bias crime.
It's still legal to stone women to death for dressing improperly or being accused of adultery in some middle eastern countries. Up until a few years ago, female babies were being left in fields China to die (and they only stopped doing when they finally ran short on women.) In Thailand, it's legal to sell your pre-pubescent daughter into prostitution (and it happens here too.) In some African countries, they still castrate pubescent girls.
If we're going to impose Democracy on everyone, we should really start with abolishing those practices first and foremost. How can you reason with someone who thinks that those practices are okay?
I lost my husband to lung complications due to his work at Ground Zero
I'm so sorry for your loss, Dstarpro. That dust has taken so many more lives, post 9/11 :(
I'm sorry for your loss as well, Dstarpro. I lost my husband in 05 so I can empathize.
"Where did Madonna admit to 'blowing' Jellybean to get him to play her tracks?"
Damnit, I remember when the story broke all those years ago (I was still in high school) but I can't find verification, so for now, consider it stricken from the record unless I do.
"And 'married up?' Guy Ritchie? Or Sean Penn? And how is that 'up?'" - August 18, 2010 5:37 PM
Sean was powerful then, but don't forget about Warren Beatty! Not a marriage, it's true, but a relationship. She's always dated men more powerful than herself on her way up.
"Kinda like Jessicka Addams 'blew' Twiggy Ramirez so Marilyn Manson would take Jack Off Jill on tour with them?" - August 18, 2010 5:46 PM
I was under the impression that Twiggy and Jess dated before Manson got huge, but even if I'm wrong, they were in a relationship already. It's nepotism, but it's common in the industry. Also, I never denied that Madonna
s resourceful! Just because I make a statement like that doesn't mean I condemn her for it - a woman controlling her own sexuality IS power. Again, just playing devil's advocate here.
"I'm going to go to that Richard Hammond site and give them a 15 bullet point presentation on why they shouldn't dislike poor Richard and how their arguments don't hold up. I also live in the real world so I realize that I won't be invited to tea at the Hammonds' castle as a reward." - August 18, 2010 6:09 PM
Dude, seriously, why do you keep returning to the same exact sarcastic comments in response to everything that I say? For the last time, I'm not seeking anyone's fucking favor and I could care less who likes what. We're simply debating whether or not the "ism" terms are deserved or not.
Thank you 6:27 and to you 6:30 - we both lost our husbands that year. My sincerest condolences; I suspect that we're both way too young to be widows :-(
I've been trying to google Hammond to see what he's done (google is not really being my friend tonight) but haven't found out much yet. I did see that a former close friend wished him dead, so it must be serious.
Dude, seriously, why do you keep returning to the same exact sarcastic comments in response to everything that I say?
Look, First of all, let me say that I'm sorry for your loss.
Trust me, I understand that you have strong feelings for MCR. I used to have them too.
But at the same time, I don't understand why you spend so much of your time trying to refute the things people say here.
I personally come here once in a while to read what's going on and comment if I have something to say. More often than not, I'm posting links to some other band I like or talking about other things, although on occasion I do contribute to the MCR criticism.
I don't hold it against you that you like MCR. Like I said, I liked them once too. I just don't understand why you seem to be hell bent on convincing me that I should not dislike them.
I may come off as being sarcastic, but I really, truly don't see the difference in this blog and the "I Hate Richard Hammond" site. I know I wouldn't change anyone's mind on that site and I wouldn't even try. So I guess I just don't understand your motivations.
to you 6:30 - we both lost our husbands that year. My sincerest condolences; I suspect that we're both way too young to be widows :-(
Thank you. I'm probably older than you, but I suppose I'm still young to be a widow. I still have a young son who is in 5th grade and it's hard sometimes trying to be both mom and dad to him. I have a daughter in college though, and she helps me out tremendously.
Do you have any children?
I've been trying to google Hammond to see what he's done (google is not really being my friend tonight) but haven't found out much yet. I did see that a former close friend wished him dead, so it must be serious.
I don't really think Richard has done anything to warrant anyone wishing him dead, but if I lived in the UK I'd probably be sick of seeing him on tv. Apparently he's on it all of the time.
He was nearly killed when he crashed a rocket powered car a few years ago (2006, I think). He suffered a severe brain injury, but has fully recovered. Still, a lot of people thought that his series, Top Gear, should have gone off the air after that because they think it encourages reckless driving.
I think that's ridiculous, but people are entitled to their opinions. I think he's charming and funny and I like him.
No new people would know this, only old timers but VV lost her fiance too.
I have another serious question to ask.
What does everyone think about Dr. Laura Schlessinger using the N-word on her radio show?
She used the word 11 times in a recent exchange with a caller.
Do you think she should have been forced to leave the show in response to listener complaints or do you think her first amendment rights are being violated?
Schlessinger, on the other hand, decried an atmosphere in which she said disagreements don't engender discussions but hate and the attempt to silence those with differing viewpoints. She told King she was leaving her radio show in part to take pressure off sponsors and stations, which bear the brunt of boycotts and protests, and so that she can "regain my First Amendment rights. I want to be able to say what's on my mind and in my heart."
She used the word matter-of-factly in describing – accurately, by the way – how often the word is used by African American comedians. “Black guys use it all the time,” she said. “Turn on HBO, listen to a black comic, and all you hear is” the N-word. She added, “I don't get it. If anybody without enough melanin says it, it's a horrible thing; but when black people say it, it's affectionate.
It's very confusing.” It’s a distortion to say that African Americans always use the word to express affection and many people of all colors find it patently offensive no matter the context. But you get her drift. She later apologized, before announcing her resignation.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/postpartisan/2010/08/in_defense_of_dr_laura.html
No new people would know this, only old timers but VV lost her fiance too.
I did not know that. I'm very sorry, Verita.
Well, speaking of my 5th grader, I have to get up and get him on the school bus at 6:30 in the morning and I'm on eastern time, so it's bed for me.
Once again, I empathize with you, Dstarpro. Maybe we can discuss our common experiences sometime. I find that very few people understand what it's like to be widowed young.
Good night.
I'm sorry to learn of so many others who lost their significant others at such a young age. It must be so difficult having to help young children through losing a parent especially when you feel as though half of you has died.
http://www.punknews.org/article/39493
turns out their done with the second version of their album
[a href="http://www.punknews.org/article/39493"]http://www.punknews.org/article/39493[/a]
sorry, tried to link it and failed.
link
Okay. I've been thinking about this part of what I said to you Dstarpro:
I also live in the real world so I realize that I won't be invited to tea at the Hammonds' castle as a reward.
and I've come to realize that it was flippant and a bit mean. So, I owe you an apology for that and I take that part of what I said back. I stand by the rest.
MSI and JU in particular have been adamant that they don't take any of their subject matter seriously and only do this for the money.
As far as plastic surgery goes, if I may answer too?
Personally, I don't mind what other people do. Judging that is way too close to telling someone what they should and shouldn't do to their own body. If a person wants plastic surgery, go for it. Aside from the danger of anesthesia, how is it much different from kids getting braces? You're still changing the structure of your face and how you look.
That said, I wish that people didn't feel as if they needed plastic surgery. There is so much pressure to be "perfect" and I feel like that makes people look the same. When you look around Hollywood and such--or at least when I do--I see lots of similar looking faces. Everyone has the same smile.
I thought good and hard about changing my face, but eventually I decided A) way too expensive and I'd rather spend what money I have on experiences instead and B) I'm one of those people who would never quit with it. I'd "fix" one thing only to find the next ten things that needed "fixing."
In short I wish people didn't find it necessary cosmetically, but if it's really what a person wants, then go for it.
Re Dr. Laura? She was totally in the wrong to use that word. Don Imus landed himself in super hot water for making a nasty racial joke on the air, and she should not be allowed to rant and rave like that with impunity either.
Also, 1313. :)
Madonna also "married up." Madonna is not a great singer. Madonna does not write her own material. Madonna used sex and shock value to gain attention for herself. You don't know how long Lindsey's career is going to be yet, she's 20 years younger than Madonna. That's how I can compare them.
I just have to respond to this, because its full of "comparisons" that are not entirely accurate. Madonna has written or co-written 95% of her songs. Including: Lucky Star, Burning Up, Into the Groove and more. Since her True Blue album she has always had a hand in the writing of her songs. Second, her relationship w/ Jellybean was just that. He produced for her, and if there was any "blowing" in order to get her music heard it was not something that was not part of at least an already established friendship.
True, Madonna did use her sexuality and "shock" to help propel her career, but there is more to her then just that. If that was all she had, she wouldn't be one of the industry's most recognizable artists with a career and discography that are full of number one hits and records. Her tours have always sold out, and she has a well documented acting career.
She was already a star when she married Penn and dated Beatty, so that there isn't a valid argument for Lindsey marrying someone who got her and her band mainstream media coverage where none had existed before. (and I'm not saying that Lindsey married Gerard for this purpose, I'm just negating your argument that they both "married up".
I can guarantee you that LynZ's career won't ever match that of people like Madonna or even Lady Gaga. Those are singular artists, and artists who have their hands in every aspect of their career. They aren't just a prop designed to fill a background for the mastermind behind the music. (i.e. Jimmy Urine)
She might be 20 years younger then Madonna now, but look at where Madonna was when she was Lindsey's age. She isn't the greatest singer, true, but she's not someone who can't carry a tune either. There is no way to even compare those two. As I said, the difference between people who are talented, and those who just got lucky.
Maybe in terms of her lifestyle she got lucky, otherwise I wouldn't say it in terms of her "career". She is only slightly more recognized because of who she is married to. Not as a result of anything she has contributed to in a musical sense.
When Sean Penn married Madonna in 1985 she was riding a huge crest of success, similar to what Gaga has experienced over the past year. She made the cover of Time Magazine and was propelled into mega stardom. She was a already a household name when she married the cult film director Guy Ritchie. You really need to do your research properly dstarpro before posting things that are inaccurate.
Madonna admitted that she blew Jellybean to get him to play her tracks. Madonna also "married up."
Others have commented on this, but I feel I have to put my 2 cents in as well, and I don't even like Madonna. Can't stand her in fact.
Madonna admits to starting a "relationship" with Jellybean which she probably did in order to get his help in establishing her career. However, I never heard this story about how she "blew" him in exchange for getting her tracks played -- and I was around during that time. As in, I was about 20.
With regards to Jessicka and Twiggy, you are quick to say that they were in a "relationship" (as opposed to saying that Madonna "blew" Jellybean). I don't see how that isn't a double standard.
As for the "marrying up", I believe you have that wrong. Neither Sean Penn nor Guy Ritchie were as big as Madonna when they married. Like a Virgin hit the top of the charts in 1984. She and Sean Penn did not marry until 1985. If anyone reaped publicity benefits from those unions, it was the men.
Same goes for Warren Beatty. His star was on the decline back when he was with Madonna and he got tons of publicity for being with her, especially considering that Dick Tracy was such a crap film and not terribly successful.
I've been trying to google Hammond to see what he's done (google is not really being my friend tonight) but haven't found out much yet. I did see that a former close friend wished him dead, so it must be serious.
Oh my gosh! How in the world could anyone wish death on the Hamster? Especially given all that he's already been through? To have survived what he did... and given that he has two beautiful little girls? Surely your friend was talking about somebody else?
Please watch this clip. It was filmed just a few months after his horrible accident which left him in a coma.
Here he is on Jonathan Ross about six weeks after the crash. It's in two parts.
And here he is a year later, talking about how he doesn't even remember filming the previous two appearances.
Seriously, this is a man who has been through hell and people are hating on him?
I can't even. But no, I realize what the other anon said was correct and I would not be able to change the haters' minds, so I would not even try.
Oh wow. He's really cute. He looks really haggard in that first clip though.
Is he okay now?
And it's so ironic and sad in the beginning of that first clip where he keeps saying "I'm so alive!" considering how close he came to dying right after that.
Thanks for posting.
Does Top Gear come on in America? It looks like a fun show. I liked the clip with Ewan McGregor in it. :)
http://twitter.com/JessickaAddams/status/21583050084
"Look, First of all, let me say that I'm sorry for your loss.
Trust me, I understand that you have strong feelings for MCR. I used to have them too.
But at the same time, I don't understand why you spend so much of your time trying to refute the things people say here.
I don't hold it against you that you like MCR. Like I said, I liked them once too. I just don't understand why you seem to be hell bent on convincing me that I should not dislike them.
I may come off as being sarcastic, but I really, truly don't see the difference in this blog and the "I Hate Richard Hammond" site. I know I wouldn't change anyone's mind on that site and I wouldn't even try. So I guess I just don't understand your motivations." - August 18, 2010 6:50 PM
Thank you very much for your comments - I really appreciate them.
To clarify: I'm not out to force anyone to like anything if they're over it. I used to live for Metallica, but I'm pretty turned off on them now (although if the tunes they put out are still good, I'll spin 'em.) It sucks to feel let down by a hero and I'm sorry for everyone who's hurting; it happens to all of us and it's no fun.
I was originally drawn back to this site because I was told that there were accusations of racism and sexism flying about. I take those very seriously and I always verify them to the best of my capabilities - no matter who they apply to.
I kept checking back every so often to try and correct any misunderstandings about me, how I think and what communications I've had with people.
Just to be very clear: I am mostly liberal (I say mostly because I struggle with criminal rights issues.) I love other women (although I hate the way that we shred each other) and am very supportive of female empowerment - I never judge other women (unless you're talking about heinous situations.)
I've considered everyone's comments and I honestly don't think that anyone in MCR or MSI means any harm; at least I've not seen enough evidence to draw such a conclusion yet. Should that change, know that my support WILL be removed. Ignorant beliefs and the desire to hurt others are huge dealbreakers for me, and no one is spared that requirement.
"Thank you. I'm probably older than you, but I suppose I'm still young to be a widow. I still have a young son who is in 5th grade and it's hard sometimes trying to be both mom and dad to him. I have a daughter in college though, and she helps me out tremendously. Do you have any children?" - August 18, 2010 6:55 PM
I'm so sorry I'm 42, actually, and my son will be 18 in December. His biggest struggle with the loss has actually been trying to determine how he feels about his father at all, who struggled with anger issues all of his life. Does your son remember his father?
"I don't really think Richard has done anything to warrant anyone wishing him dead, but if I lived in the UK I'd probably be sick of seeing him on tv. Apparently he's on it all of the time.
He was nearly killed when he crashed a rocket powered car a few years ago (2006, I think). He suffered a severe brain injury, but has fully recovered. Still, a lot of people thought that his series, Top Gear, should have gone off the air after that because they think it encourages reckless driving.
I think that's ridiculous, but people are entitled to their opinions. I think he's charming and funny and I like him." - August 18, 2010 7:02 PM
Ah, yes, I did see that, thanks, and I thought that his friend Lee's comments were rather harsh. Was he drinking and driving maybe? I love how that issue was fluffed right over when it applied to one of the Real Housewives' husbands.
"No new people would know this, only old timers but VV lost her fiance too." - August 18, 2010 7:12 PM
My sincerest condolences to vv <<>>
"I have another serious question to ask.
What does everyone think about Dr. Laura Schlessinger using the N-word on her radio show?" - August 18, 2010 7:17 PM
I think she behaved irresponsibly for someone who should know fully well that the FCC is on her ass 24/7, however, I don't think she meant to hurl the word about in a racist manner. Her behavior toward the caller she was supposed to be helping with a problem, however, was reprehensible.
Once she got onto her rant, she kept interrupting her caller, putting her down, and she never addressed the woman's original issue! Then she hung up on her. Very unprofessional.
"I'm sorry to learn of so many others who lost their significant others at such a young age. It must be so difficult having to help young children through losing a parent especially when you feel as though half of you has died." - August 18, 2010 7:26 PM
Thank you, it has been very challenging, and I couldn't have gotten through it without a strong support system. It got worse before it got better in our case, and there's still fallout, but I think we're going to be okay.
"Okay. I've been thinking about this part of what I said to you Dstarpro:
'I also live in the real world so I realize that I won't be invited to tea at the Hammonds' castle as a reward.'
and I've come to realize that it was flippant and a bit mean. So, I owe you an apology for that and I take that part of what I said back. I stand by the rest." - August 18, 2010 7:32 PM
I appreciate that very much, thank you. I realized that my very early posts in here were equally flippant and dismissive as well, and have worked hard to adjust that. I came in here to engage in a discussion after all, not to assault anyone - if anything, I wanted us all to reconsider character assassination on anyone!
It's never been about winning anyone's favor for me - it'd be silly to even assume that the bands sit around reading our daily comments in the first place! Sure, they see the occasional tweet and probably checked out a board or two early on out of plain curiosity (I know I would've) but it's madness to believe they're all up in our shit. I live in the real world too!
You wouldn't know this, of course, but I'm actually one of those people who refuses to cowtow to anyone who expects me to, and I usually avoid anything that's being forced down my throat (unless there's a lot of negative press, then I get curious.) I hold "famous" people to the same exact standards as everyone else - no one gets a pass because they're famous. They do get more consideration if I like them, sure, but only in the sense that I kind of give less of a break to people I've decided I dislike.
"Madonna has written or co-written 95% of her songs. Second, her relationship w/ Jellybean was just that.
True, Madonna did use her sexuality and 'shock' to help propel her career, but there is more to her then just that. If that was all she had, she wouldn't be one of the industry's most recognizable artists with a career and discography that are full of number one hits and records. Her tours have always sold out, and she has a well documented acting career.
She was already a star when she married Penn and dated Beatty.
Lindsey might be 20 years younger then Madonna now, but look at where Madonna was when she was Lindsey's age." - August 18, 2010 9:29 PM
You make some valid points about Madonna, who I may not care for but who I don't really have anything against either. I could argue that Beatty was still way out of her league, but then again, I think Gaiman was way out of Palmer's league too (and I DO like her) so I know that it happens.
I retracted the Jellybean comment because I can't find verification. It was something that came out when I was still in high school and everything was just word of mouth back then.
I do want to add that co-writing credits could come from little more than contributing an idea. This I know from someone who does the job for a living.
Lindsey I guess is like a Sid Vicious in MSI - very visible, very unplugged LOL but she admits that and I respect her honesty.
I think what she meant by calling herself a role model (always a mistake, it's true) is that her presence onstage encourages girls who like her to chase down their own dreams, that's all. It was probably a poor choice of words.
"When Sean Penn married Madonna in 1985 she made the cover of Time Magazine and was propelled into mega stardom. She was a already a household name when she married the cult film director Guy Ritchie. You really need to do your research properly dstarpro before posting things that are accurate." - August 18, 2010 10:03 PM
I never used Guy Ritchie as an example - if anything, HE married up. Sean Penn, however, was a Hollywood veteran and the marriage garnered both of them lots of publicity that he was VERY unprepared for. I remember how it all went down, I was there, so I don't need to research anything.
"Madonna admits to starting a 'relationship' with Jellybean which she probably did in order to get his help in establishing her career. However, I never heard this story about how she 'blew' him in exchange for getting her tracks played -- and I was around during that time. As in, I was about 20." - August 19, 2010 3:59 AM
I was, too - apparently it came from one of the horse's mouths. Both were known for being outrageous, but since I can't verify the comment, I've retracted it.
"With regards to Jessicka and Twiggy, you are quick to say that they were in a 'relationship' (as opposed to saying that Madonna 'blew' Jellybean). I don't see how that isn't a double standard." - August 19, 2010 3:59 AM
I can see how it came across that way, so let me correct that: I don't know the circumstances surrounding the origins of Jess' relationship with Twiggy, but I was picking up on a comment that either Madonna or Jellybean themselves supposedly made, which I continue to retract.
He was nearly killed when he crashed a rocket powered car a few years ago (2006, I think). He suffered a severe brain injury, but has fully recovered. Still, a lot of people thought that his series, Top Gear, should have gone off the air after that because they think it encourages reckless driving.
I think that's ridiculous, but people are entitled to their opinions. I think he's charming and funny and I like him." - August 18, 2010 7:02 PM
Ah, yes, I did see that, thanks, and I thought that his friend Lee's comments were rather harsh. Was he drinking and driving maybe?
No he wasn't. Richard was doing a piece for his show, Top Gear, where he was driving a special rocket powered car on a closed runway. He was going in a straight line and there were no other cars on the track. The car was built specifically for speed and for breaking speed records.
Richard was in no way at fault for the accident. His right tire blew out at 288 miles an hour which caused the car to veer out of control and flip. It was still doing 230 or so when it rolled. It's a miracle he survived at all.
The anon @4:31 posted a youtube clip (the first one) from Top Gear which actually shows the crash.
http://cdn.buzznet.com/assets/users16/bunnyal/default/large-msg-126989464896.jpg
what do u guys think of this?
Probably an old picture. The outfit looks pre-PR.
here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9pHurZR5RY) is she kissing that girl, at 3:00...?
haha that girl looked like she was mauling everyone.
oh people that backbend and flash their panties to the world are promiscuous?!
shocker!! lol.
silly boys who marry toys...
Boy toy
school girl
Shocking. Raiding her daughter's closet to dress up like a school girl at her age.
http://www.celebitchy.com/40618/madonna_raids_lourdes_closet_again_for_schoolgirl_costume/
Anyone at all surprised at Sarah Palin defending Dr. Laura using the N word? I swear to god. :/
Not surprised at all, but we all know who is gonna come in and defend her, don't we?
Who? Jimmy Urine.
Lyns? Frank Iero? I hear they're racists.
Sean Penn, however, was a Hollywood veteran and the marriage garnered both of them lots of publicity that he was VERY unprepared for.
He wasn't a Hollywood legend, he was an up an coming credible young actor. As for publicity that's what happens when you marry someone with that level of attention. You still need to do your research dstarpro.
Lindsey I guess is like a Sid Vicious in MSI - very visible, very unplugged LOL but she admits that and I respect her honesty.
I think what she meant by calling herself a role model (always a mistake, it's true) is that her presence onstage encourages girls who like her to chase down their own dreams, that's all. It was probably a poor choice of words.
As an anon mentioned earlier you can believe all of that, we're not trying to change your mind. I don't agree with any of that and have zero respect for her.
oh people that backbend and flash their panties to the world are promiscuous?!
Did anyone mentioned that here? We're saying we think she's a chicken-armed superficial moron that has nothing to say.
If she hadn't married GW, none of you anons would be here to defend her.
Sean Penn was an up an coming credible young actor. You still need to do your research dstarpro.
How was he "up and coming" when his first major successful role was in 1981 and he didn't hook up with Madonna until 4 years later? Maybe YOU need to do YOUR research, Anon.
As an anon mentioned earlier you can believe all of that, we're not trying to change your mind. I don't agree with any of that and have zero respect for her. - August 19, 2010 3:02 PM
Such hostility again! I'm starting to see what time certain Anons post and get a feel for who's who now. We're having a discussion. I speculated as to what she could have meant by her statement; you didn't need to be so dismissive. I get that you don't like her, but even people that we dislike can be unfairly misinterpreted.
I get that you don't like her, but even people that we dislike can be unfairly misinterpreted.
You cannot help but reveal your true agenda here dstarpro.
Misrepresented only to you and other MCR fans that follow her dstarpro.
So this is a discussion dstarpro? Anyone that dismisses your 'arguments' are hostile? Yeah.
You cannot help but reveal your true agenda here dstarpro. - August 19, 2010 3:22 PM
Misrepresented only to you and other MCR fans that follow her dstarpro. - August 19, 2010 3:24 PM
I don't have an "agenda here" Anons. Your insistence upon meeting every logical point made by anyone who doesn't think like you do with the same obnoxious "Oh you fansheep" commentary is every bit as tiresome as the rhetoric thrown about by other people you claim to disrespect (i.e. Sarah Palin, radically Conservative Christians, etc.) They pull that all the time: responding to every logical point with the same worn-out putdowns and slogans that they're taught.
Why don't you try arguing logic with me instead? How come every time the air gets more pleasant in here because we're actually having an intelligent discussion, you rush in here seeking to make it all tense again? What is it that you're so threatened by?
So this is a discussion dstarpro? Anyone that dismisses your 'arguments' are hostile? Yeah. - August 19, 2010 3:32 PM
There is actually has been several discussions taking place in here, yeah - did you not read anything other than the few comments of mine that you were able to single out for your snarkiness? The only person that I've dubbed hostile in here is you, and your host agrees with me. We've been pleasantly arguing differing points of view for awhile now; a discussion to which you clearly have nothing to contribute.
Sorry I don't consider your arguments credible dstarpro.
Go on babbling dstarpro, you're not changing anyone's mind even with your front of "logic" and 'non-hostile' arguing.
And you have nothing to say apart from the "you have misrepresented them, and I will use logic to change your minds" rant.
Dstarpro is entitled to her opinion and I don't mind her expressing it here.
I don't have to agree with her either. It's called agreeing to disagree. It's what civilized people do.
Why don't you try arguing logic with me instead? How come every time the air gets more pleasant in here because we're actually having an intelligent discussion, you rush in here seeking to make it all tense again? What is it that you're so threatened by?
They're threatened by you dstarpro.
They're threatened by anyone who challenges their claims and points out their hypocrisy. Especially someone who does it in such logical, mature, and intelligent manner.
Nobody is threatened here.
People came here last night and earlier this morning and countered dstarpro with intelligent arguments.
It has only been this afternoon that the trolls and dimwits have come out. Eh, 4:34?
They're threatened by the new star on this blog and how brightly she's shining.
They will try to dismiss you as a fansheep. Call you hostile, stupid, not credible and ignore every valid point you made.
That still hasn't stopped some of us from talking to you, liking you and respecting your opinions.
That's what has some of them so riled today.
Don't let her bait you Dstarpro. This sounds very much like the watchdog from Mayo's. She's trying to lure you into her ridiculous hate-on for Kapunua, most likely.
I hope you're smart enough to realize that.
That's what has some of them so riled today.
That's what you do isn't it? You come here and pretend to be one of us and say ridiculous, hateful things to make this blog look bad. Then you come back a short time later and trash talk your own comments.
Don't think we don't recognize this. We've seen it at Mayo's and we've seen it here.
They'll call you a troll and a dimwit too. You and anyone who talks to you in a non confrontational manner. Then they'll blame you for all the hostility.
Standard.operating.procedure.
They're threatened by the new star on this blog and how brightly she's shining.
Isn't that the same strategy you used with Amy?
Then they'll revert to She's trying to lure you into her ridiculous hate-on for Kapunua, most likely.
Because if you don't agree with them or see things their way you must hate Kapunua.
So predictable.
Seriously, Dstarpro. You can't win with this troll. You should come back later when some of the real regulars are here.
She'll bait you and then she'll praise you, all in the name of trying to make the rest of us look like we're mean, spiteful and stupid.
dstarpro said...
I'm so sorry I'm 42, actually, and my son will be 18 in December. His biggest struggle with the loss has actually been trying to determine how he feels about his father at all, who struggled with anger issues all of his life. Does your son remember his father?
Thank you for your kind words.
I'm 46. My daughter will turn 20 in September and my little boy is 11.
My son does remember his father to an extent, but he was only 6 when he died, and my husband was not in our home the last six months of his life, so his death was not terribly hard on my son. I think he misses not having a father, especially since I don't have any close relatives to fill in as a male role model, but he seems happy enough. He's not very athletic, but he's very bright and he does well in school. He adores his sister and she adores him.
My daughter doesn't like to talk about her dad. She did not have a great relationship with him and although we both went into therapy after he died, I think she has some anger issues that she has yet to completely deal with. Even so, she's a junior in college, is on scholarship, and is very focused and motivated. Because we live in a University town, she is able to live at home and she's very happy doing so.
They are both great kids and I feel very fortunate to have them.
I feel for your son. He lost his father at a very delicate age. I hope he's able to work through any issues he might have. Losing a parent is never easy, but I think for very young teenagers it's the worst.
My head is spinning LOL
I do see now why some of you think people double post in here, but I'm not sure that's accurate. There really is more than one school of thought at work in here.
I will say that the regulars who I am able to recognize have been gracious, and for that I am grateful.
Whoever it was that attacked Kapu's appearance is no one who should be granted a shred of credibility here or anyplace else. I have no use for people who are senselessly mean.
To that person and to the person who keeps dismissing everything that I say on the grounds that I'm a fansheep, you are the person that veritavenom dislikes seeing on her page. Know that you are unwelcome.
To those of you with whom I'm actually enjoying discussing issues, getting to know and finding common ground, know that I would never seek to tell you how you should feel, what line you should have or who you are allowed to like or dislike.
I've only ever questioned the accusations ending in "ism." For what it's worth, although I've kind of been going through an MSI "thing" at the moment, I'm usually not really that interested in them.
I do like My Chem and find them interesting, and they've certainly been inspiring at times, but my real favorite band is The Bouncing Souls.
My son does remember his father to an extent, but he was only 6 when he died. I think he misses not having a father. He's very bright and he does well in school. He adores his sister and she adores him.
My daughter doesn't like to talk about her dad. I think she has some anger issues that she has yet to completely deal with. Even so, she's on scholarship, and is very focused and motivated. Because we live in a University town, she is able to live at home and she's very happy doing so.
They are both great kids and I feel very fortunate to have them. - August 19, 2010 5:16 PM
*hugs* to you. My son was 12 when his father passed, but his memories are clouded with unpleasantry. I think it's the same for him, that he wishes he had a solid dude to bounce things off of, and sometimes he does wish that his father could see him play. It sounds like your babies are going through very similar emotions to his, although combined.
For what it's worth, I can read the emotion behind your post, and I'll bet you're doing a wonderful job by yourself with them. I'm sure they think the world of you.
My son was 12 when his father passed, but his memories are clouded with unpleasantry. I think it's the same for him, that he wishes he had a solid dude to bounce things off of, and sometimes he does wish that his father could see him play. It sounds like your babies are going through very similar emotions to his, although combined.
*hugs to you too*
I have so much sympathy for what your son has gone through. It does sound doubly hard for him, but from the things you've said it sounds like you love him and understand him, and in the long run, love and understanding is all kids really need.
I think our kids learned early that life isn't always fair, but nobody ever said that it would be. Honestly, I think that gives them something of an advantage over a lot of other kids.
And at least our kids have one parent who is truly there for them. That's more than you can say for a lot of kids who live in two parent households.
I wish you and your son the best of luck, but something tells me your son will be just fine.
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As an anon mentioned earlier you can believe all of that, we're not trying to change your mind. I don't agree with any of that and have zero respect for her. - August 19, 2010 3:02 PM
Such hostility again! I"
How was that hostile? I'm not the one who said that but I think you are WAY over reacting. That did not seem like a hostile comment whatsoever.
How was that hostile? I'm not the one who said that but I think you are WAY over reacting. That did not seem like a hostile comment whatsoever. - August 19, 2010 7:07 PM
"As an anon mentioned earlier you can believe all of that, we're not trying to change your mind."
That comment is pretty rude. In other words: "Believe whatever you want, who cares, I'm not stopping you" is in no way encouraging further discussion. It's dismissive and insulting, and I consider that a very hostile way to converse. If someone said that to you in person, you'd probably feel pretty crappy and shut down afterward.
*hugs to you too* I have so much sympathy for what your son has gone through. It does sound doubly hard for him, but from the things you've said it sounds like you love him and understand him.
I think our kids learned early that life isn't always fair, but nobody ever said that it would be. Honestly, I think that gives them something of an advantage over a lot of other kids.
And at least our kids have one parent who is truly there for them.
I wish you and your son the best of luck, but something tells me your son will be just fine. - August 19, 2010 5:33 PM
Thank you, I agree, and I wish you the same - stay strong <3
"That comment is pretty rude. In other words: "Believe whatever you want, who cares, I'm not stopping you" is in no way encouraging further discussion. It's dismissive and insulting, and I consider that a very hostile way to converse. If someone said that to you in person, you'd probably feel pretty crappy and shut down afterward.
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Well it's not like anyone is going to convince you, and the tone of that post was polite. How many times have you sounded hostile? Didn't you ask Kapunua "When the hell did MSI ever say that" or something like that? That's a hostile tone if you ask me.
Hey everyone, I put up a new post. Nice to see you all, hope you're having a nice summer. Thanks everyone. :-)
Well it's not like anyone is going to convince you, and the tone of that post was polite. How many times have you sounded hostile? Didn't you ask Kapunua "When the hell did MSI ever say that" or something like that? That's a hostile tone if you ask me. - August 19, 2010 7:43 PM
I've admitted to, apologized for and rectified any prior posts of mine which I know for a fact were hostile. Just inserting the word "hell" into a sentence doesn't make it hostile in my opinion, but I'm sorry if it came across that way. However, I disagree that the post was polite. It may not have been openly attacking, but it was still very unfriendly and the poster was clearly shutting me down.
That comment is pretty rude. In other words: "Believe whatever you want, who cares, I'm not stopping you" is in no way encouraging further discussion.
Further discussion of what dstarpro?
How was that hostile? I'm not the one who said that but I think you are WAY over reacting. That did not seem like a hostile comment whatsoever.
Exactly.
it's dismissive and insulting, and I consider that a very hostile way to converse. If someone said that to you in person, you'd probably feel pretty crappy and shut down afterward.
No, I would think they're aren't listening to me, so I won't waste my time with them or I can't change their mind so I'm not going to go on about it anymore You should learn not to take things so personally on the internet, particularly when it only involves someone's opinion of rockstars. They were not insulting you, cursing you or using colorful adjectives.
They'll call you a troll and a dimwit too. You and anyone who talks to you in a non confrontational manner. Then they'll blame you for all the hostility.
Standard.operating.procedure.
Grow up.
To that person and to the person who keeps dismissing everything that I say on the grounds that I'm a fansheep, you are the person that veritavenom dislikes seeing on her page. Know that you are unwelcome.
Are you talking on behalf of verita now? What a joke.
They're threatened by the new star on this blog and how brightly she's shining.
They will try to dismiss you as a fansheep. Call you hostile, stupid, not credible and ignore every valid point you made.
That still hasn't stopped some of us from talking to you, liking you and respecting your opinions.
That's what has some of them so riled today.
I know you, you're from Mayo;s.
I can't stand MSI, very unimpressed by Lindsey Balluto and don't think much of GW, and still think you are perfectly within your rights to dismiss my arguments against this band, though I consider them very logical and valid, but unlike you, see no reason why you have to agree with their validity or see them as even logical, because they are only opinions! Just like yours!
They're threatened by the new star on this blog and how brightly she's shining.
You played that silly game over there, (Mayo's) There are no "shinning stars" only opinions. What one will agree with, another one doesn't.
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