I believe this blog is more about the people here who come to chat than it is about some stupid sexist band. But, I like the fact that there is a place for everyone to vent about these particular sexists bands, as well as other issues that might be on your mind. I think this blog has grown a lot.
In the past few months we've seen another celebrity lose it and start screaming racist and sexist things (Mel Gibson) and there was some discussion about that too. I personally don't see too much of a difference between Mel Gibson screaming the N word and talking about rape and "bitches" MSI screaming the N word and talking about rape and "bitches". Hate speech is hate speech. Except Mel Gibson seriously wants to hurt people and MSI just seem to think it's funny. It still creates an atmosphere that welcomes hate and violence towards women, by laughing about it and thinking it's so funny.
One thing I want to say here is that I believe the regulars here are too smart to honestly believe that Gerard Way's hair color or other random things has anything to do with pregnancy. I see a lot of trolls coming in pretending to be "someone from VVs" and putting forward these ridiculous theories. I think they're trying to make people here look like they are illogical.
And I know that many people here have spoken out against calling them "fat" or "ugly". So many of you have posted over and over again how you don't care about that. You call people out on their behavior, and things they can help, things they do on purpose..... not how they look. That's what I like about this place.
But from what I can see a lot of the trolls keep bringing those things up, trying to reduce this blog to their level. I said it before and I'm saying it again. The regulars here are not like that and probably know what you're up to.
If you don't like it here, that's fine, you can stay at all your other blogs. Or you can enter into an intelligent conversation. But if all you have to offer is "LOL hair color = pregnancy" or "LOL that woman is FAT" then just know, officially, this blog doesn't welcome that and neither do the regulars.
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Oh God. Anyone who was ever at Mayo's knows who that person was.
Stop trying to stir shit.
if she starts dressing in a schoolgirl uniform and (to quote a fan from that ONTD post) "has orgasms with her guitar", then I'll develop a problem with her real quick. Same as Lindsey.
Where did you see that? I don't remember seeing that at all.
Where did you see that? I don't remember seeing that at all.
More lies. All so they can continue to bully Siobhan.
Oh my god troll, you fail so hard with your obviousness.
More lies. All so they can continue to bully Siobhan.
Jeez, what is your deal? You sound like a broken record.
It wasn't "lies". I saw the comment. You had to read the other comments from that ONTD post, not just the one thread.
dstarpro said: "Legitimate arguments are being dismissed by nonsensical ones"
Anon 4:17 said: "Perhaps you would care to give an example of this?"
Most definitely, see below...
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Siobhan said: "And it would be interesting to overhear a conversation with a teenage girl and her mother talking about Lady Gaga Hey, mom. I would like to go to school with only wearing my fishnet panty hose as a top and glittery stars on my nipples. Can I? Of course you can, honey, because Lady Gaga is talented. Have fun in school, darling!"
Anon 2:46 said: "Siobhan you're exaggerating. Do you think this would happen in the real world? I don't. I think the conversation would be more like... mom, I'm gonna drop out of school and join a band. Doesn't matter if I suck at it, the fact that I'm playing in a band is. And one day I'm going to find a big rawksta to take care of me. If my idol Lynz Way can do it, I can too."
Anon 6:27 a.m. said: "Wow. I do believe Siobhan just accused all you Lindsey haters of being JUS JELLUZ!!1! LMFAO."
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Siobhan says: "I assume you know the difference of an actor playing a role and a singer? What kind of reasoning is that to prove your point by using Ewan McGregor in Velvet Goldmine as an example?
And don't come with the point that Gaga is playing a role on stage too. Then I could say that Lindsey does that as well."
Anon 11:04 a.m.: "You just contradicted yourself."
Deb says: Um, how...?
Anon 5:16 p.m. "All of a sudden she is 'playing a role.' You're entitled to your opinions Siobhan, which I may add I still don't agree with and think you are still missing the point, and being hypocritical."
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Anon 1:39 p.m. said: "Plus I agree with Siobhan. It is hypocrisy to hide behind feminism when you have one set of rules for this person and one set for that person."
Anon 5:32 p.m. said: "You say that because the whole premise of your argument is you're soo jeallusz she married your idol which is really stupid illogical reasoning, and more to do with your own fantasies."
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Anon 6:52 p.m. said: "It's OK for him to encourage adult women and men to fantasize about little schoolboys and possibly encourage paedophilia. He has talent unlike Lynz, MSI and MCR. It's wrong if they do it. /typical hypocrite logic"
Anon 6:56 p.m. said: "/typical twisted pretzel logic from people who defend MCR/MSI"
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Anon 8:04 p.m. said: "What was the point of you posting that picture of yourself Kapu? Was it to anger some people or to show that you too can wear as little as possible but when YOU do it, it's morally better?"
Anon 8:08 p.m. said: "8:04, your idol does it for money and attention. A fact that has gone right over your silly head."
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Anon 6:44 p.m. 8/9 said: "no offence, but nobody here actually knows gerard way personally, so you shouldn't really judge him when you don't even know him! just saying..."
Anon 6:49 p.m. 8/9 said: "That is the most idiotic argument I've ever heard. You came from Buzznet, didn't you?"
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Harley said: "when he dyed his hair pink, how do you know it was anything to do with Bandit? he was at a convention... and how do you know any of the other stuff you said is true? where's the proof the monkeys were for the birthday and the home was purchased on valentines day?" - 7/24 - 3:30 AM
Anon 3:49 a.m. 7/24 said: "No offense Harley but how old are you?"
Okay, Dstarpro, I agree that some of those comments were dismissive, especially the ones saying "how old are you," etc., and some people got angry with Siobhan after she was so dismissive of their intelligent arguments, but you aren't saying that you agree with Siobhan that Lady Gaga is setting feminism back, etc., with her outfits... are you?
Those were just from this thread; there are way more in the others. I'm not trying to fan the flames at all, in fact, I do think the tone in here has been steadily improving, but the person asked for examples.
Most of the people arguing with Siobhan were very level headed and intelligent. Midway through, she started belittling them.
Also, do you agree with Siobhan that bands should be censored?
Anon 6:18, definitely not! Feminism, to me, is about women being able to do, say and look however the hell they like. If a woman wants to walk around half naked, she should be allowed to do so without incident. If I'm walking down the block with a friend and she scoffs "Hmph, look at the chick over there, she needs to put clothes on!" I always shrug and say "Good for her! Work it, Girl!"
There's a difference between being exploited and exploiting oneself. It may seem similar, but the latter is empowering - it's a choice that that woman is making to showcase her feminine wiles; she's not being taken advantage of. In that respect, it's no different than a man flaunting himself, so therefore, not a setback for feminism, but rather a step forward.
As far as I'm concerned, the only thing standing in the way of feminism is...us. Each other. The things that were said to Kapu here alone were cringeworthy, much less some of the more unsavory comments once made about Lindsey.
Whether or not we personally would follow another woman's path does not mean we shouldn't support her. Isn't the point that women should be visible, respected, looked up to, particularly by men? Unless a woman has committed some sort of vile act, I don't think it's for us to judge.
Lindsey is hardly the only person in music who isn't up to her ears in talent, but at least she admits it. I don't think it's fair to dismiss her as a poor role model for "flashing her panties" yet herald Gaga despite her doing the same because she's "more talented." I'm pretty sure that's the point that Siobhan was trying to make.
Siobhans issue was the double standards about Lindsay and Lady GaGa and how they dress on stage. There is a double standard when you condone using sexuality and skimpy outfits and attack another.
One may be more talented than the other but that doesn't change the fact both are using their bodies to sell CDs, tickets, etc.
And no, 6:20, I don't think that bands should be censored, but I agree that common sense should ideally be practiced offstage. It doesn't always work out for any of us (the person who said that twitter's character limit should be forcing us to rethink our posts forgot about twitlonger!) but we should strive toward it.
I like you dstarpro. You have a vaild point.
I have a question for Kapunua. You like Jared Leto and it's well known he's sexist. Why do you support him?
Thank you, 6:37 :-) 6:39, what's Jared said that was sexist? I don't follow TSTM anymore and I agree that the dude seems spacey, but I hadn't heard any negativity surrounding him.
How is it "widely known" that he's sexist? Because he has a lot of sex partners? If a woman has a lot of sex partners, is she to be considered less moral, too?
AFAIK Jared has always been respectful to his female fans, treating them the same way he treats his male fans.
Dstarpro, a lot of the nonsensical arguments came from trolls. You may not wish to believe that because it would invalidate your argument, but there it is.
In other cases, some of the ones you quoted weren't nonsensical at all. Unless your definition of "nonsensical" is "something I don't agree with."
I don't think it's fair to dismiss her as a poor role model for "flashing her panties" yet herald Gaga despite her doing the same because she's "more talented."
You conveniently forget about those of us who think she's a terrible role model because of the godawful, hate-filled lyrics her "band" spews, while she and her fans try to excuse them by calling "satire" or "U JUS DON GET IT" and the rest of the band is like, "Yeah, we talk like that 'cause we like to."
Or because it's clear to some of us that she used her high-profile marriage to further her pointless career.
Or that her idea of "feminism" is "I can't play my instrument, but I look cool. And yeah, here are my panties, see?"
You try to make it into one thing, when in fact it's many.
She's probably referring to him saying 'cunt' on that British TV show, even though he was asked to swear. He said that he knew the word was offensive but that he loved British swear words. I saw the clip and although I wish he hadn't said it, it wasn't that bad.
Jared was wonderful to me and my little sister who adores him when we saw them at TOC a few years back. He told the audience that they would stay and sign autographs for every single fan that wanted them even if it took all night. And he did. I didn't want to miss The Used so I told my sister we would catch him next time around, but even after The Used were done, 30stm was still there, signing away. He treated my sister with such respect, even though she was only 12 and obviously starstruck. I'll never forget that.
What about all you idiots who love Kings of Leotards? Their music is some of the most sexist I've ever heard. They even use the C-word in one of their songs and they sing about STDs.
Every city has their one or two "professional" photogs that are omnipresent at any radio or overly sponsored shows. The two of them, and a few others, lined up in the photography area and suffered through a ridiculously unnecessary 20 minute set by the Street Drum Corp before Jared Leto ascended to the stage, looking like a multi-colored goth warrior. After just one song, Jared screamed at the photographers for taking pictures of him tuning. We have no explanation for that one. Perhaps he wants his flock to think he isn't fallible enough to need to tune?
But then, halfway through song #2, he dove into the crowd, singing and surfing. Nice. On his way back? Stepped on one of the aforementioned " professionals", who happens to be a nice large, older lady, knocking her to the ground. It took no less than 3 security guards to get her back to her feet. Jared continued on with his anthem, not even blinking that he had used this poor woman as a step stool. Man, I can only hope there are pictures. Perhaps Jared has added concert photographers to his list of victims? Maybe he thought she was a blogger
"I met him at an incubus concert (30 seconds to mars opened) and he really was a douche. He and his band were at a DESERTED merch table. My friend bought their CD and asked them to sign it, I complimented his hair, he rolled his eyes and drew a straight line and a dot on the cd. The rest of the band followed suit."
Leto Slates The Killers.
16-02-2007 22:28
Leto Slates The Killers.... Hollywood hunk-turned-rocker Jared Leto has slated pop rivals The Killers - insisting they are just a pale copy of Depeche Mode.
The Jared Leto douchebag express through Sundance continues today amid reports that Leto thretened to smash a club goer over the head with a bottle.
Jared Leto's bizarre behavior continued this week when the actor-turned-rocker stirred things up at Harry O's Tao in Park City. While Hasidic hip-hop artist Matisyahu was performing, Leto unsuccessfully tried chatting up Michelle Smith (rumored girlfriend of Chris Robinson), then began bumping into people in the crowded venue as he headed back to his table. When a fellow patron told Leto to "relax," Leto grabbed a liquor bottle and held it above the guy's head. Spies said when bouncers asked Leto to leave, he responded by holding up a beer bottle as he was led out.
Jared Leto Attacks Fan With Microphone... Again
2/18/2008 By Brock Thiessen
Mistake No. 1: Actually going to see 30 Seconds to Mars.
Mistake No. 2: Getting within striking distance of Jared Leto as he bashes you in the face with a microphone.
As you may have guessed, actor Jared Leto, who moonlights as front-man for alt-rock act 30 Seconds to Mars, has shown his fan appreciation at a recent London gig by smokin’ a concertgoer with a mic.
According to reports, the attack in the British capital occurred during the “hit” song “Buddha for Mary,” which now goes: “He says — BAM! — ‘There’s a paradise beneath me.’” The beat-down can be viewed via YouTube here.
This attack follows an earlier violent outbreak from Leto, where he sucker-punched a fan at the PinkPop Festival in the Netherlands (if you want to skip through the awful performance and go straight to Jordan Catalano’s, er, Leto’s clichéd rock routine it happens at the 3:50 stage).
Perhaps this explains why no one catches him whenever he stage dives.
Lol. Links?
These sound like totally reliable sources to me.
Yes, very reliable.
And if true and not exaggerated, how is that sexist?
Incidentally, not everyone enjoys getting groped as they crowd-surf. I realize that Lyndsey thinks it's "cool" when people feel her up in the audience, but I have to say, I'd hit a bitch if they touched me.
In fact, I have hit people for touching me.
http://www.hollyscoop.com/jared-leto/jared-leto-attacks-fan_14737.aspx
http://exclaim.ca/articles/generalarticlesynopsfullart.aspx?csid1=118&csid2=844&fid1=29802
You know, to me, a "reliable source" is one that I've actually heard of. You know, like a real magazine maybe? Or at least a well-known Blog?
There have been rumors about Jared being a douchebag for years, but I've seen him 8 times and he's never been anything but gracious to the fans.
He could very well be a douchebag. But how does that = "sexist?" You never did manage to answer that one.
Also the fact that, you know, I'd totally smoke someone in the facehole if they touched me inappropriately. Because unlike some, I don't find that "cool."
Actually "anon," I recognize you, and these links from a few years ago. You tried this once before, remember?
Should have known better than to ask Kapunua a question.
I answered you, fool.
If you bother to google Jared Leto douche you will find plenty of links. He hooks up with women and tosses them aside. Some are celebrities, some are not.
Your answer to the other anon was to accuse them of being one of the Lovelies.
I'm so sure all those reports are true.
/sarcasm.
And I guess that answers my question: You think that because he has a lot of sex partners that = sexism. To me, it doesn't.
What does it mean if a woman has a lot of sex partners? Got a name for that, too?
Doesn't make it less valid.
He steps on an older woman, hits fans in the head with mics, tosses women aside when he's done with them.
He sounds like a real catch.
Your answer to the other anon was to accuse them of being one of the Lovelies.
A) Learn to read. I answered your pointless questions.
B) I never accused you of being anyone in particular. I just said I remembered you doing this in the past.
Thanks, though. ;)
I do if they treat men the same way Jared treats women. I would have a problem with that too.
I'm not trying to "catch" him.
Again, how does "many sex casual partners" = "sexist?"
Do you have a similar word for women who sleep with lots of different men?
You're doing the same thing you accuse MCR fans for. You're such a fan girl you overlook all the comments and posts from several sources. You don't want to admit you are a fan girl.
I don't know how he treats them, or how they treat him - and it's not my business.
And it's retarded to go by internet rumors. I never did it with your dumbass idols and I don't do it with this band either. I go by what I see, and what's on record.
I saw your dumbass idol throwing his puke into the audience. I saw him telling a bunch of preteens to "actually f*** yourselves" and "make it convincing." Among his other hateful and ridiculous posturing.
MSI lyrics are right there for everyone to see (and hopefully not hear.)
Uhh, I just showed you my reasoning. If anything, at one point I had even more respect for MCR, because of what they said they stood for. If I was a "fan girl" for anyone it would more likely have been them.
Your logic kinda fails.
I'm not trying to "catch" him.
Again, how does "many sex casual partners" = "sexist?"
Do you have a similar word for women who sleep with lots of different men?
I just want to know why it's ok for him to do those things and you still support him. Most of the comments here have no proof but you jump on anything to bring down others.
Have fun with that.
Your answer to the other anon was to accuse them of being one of the Lovelies.
A) Learn to read. I answered your pointless questions.
B) I never accused you of being anyone in particular. I just said I remembered you doing this in the past.
Thanks, though. ;)
I've answered all of your questions, you just don't want to see.
One more time:
He could very well be a douchebag. But how does that = "sexist?" You never did manage to answer that one.
Also the fact that, you know, I'd totally smoke someone in the facehole if they touched me inappropriately. Because unlike some, I don't find that "cool."
Anon, you come around here every few months and post the exact same thing. I tell you the same things each time.
How many times would you like to go down this road?
Logic? You call that logic? So in your world, you can only be a fan girl of one person or group, which means you can't be a fan girl of someone else.
Sense. You don't make it.
Just because you are around violent people all the time and you think it's OK for a man to kick and step on women....
Also you never did answer why you think it's OK for YOU to wear less clothes than LynZ.
Do you approve of him stepping on a woman at a show and knocking her down and going on with the show as if nothing happed?
I never said that, 8:27. I don't know if you're really that dense or if you're purposely being obtuse in order to be a pain in the ass. Maybe a bit of both.
I've answered everything you've said (again, like I did a few months ago, and a few months before that,) and you've never once answered any of my queries to you.
Guess you don't have any answers for that though.
Sorry I crushed you like a bug. :)
Come back and play again next time, okay?
She is the worst example of hypocricy. If she thinks its ok, no one should question her.
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Sense. You don't make it."
Looks more to me like you just don't understand it.
You just questioned me for over an hour, fool, and I answered all of your questions a thousand times, and a thousand times again.
You just proved to me that you don't actually have a point. And you also pretty much told me who you were - again.
I enjoy the confirmation and all, but damn, you're so silly it hurts to argue with you. I feel kinda bad.
Don't be sorry. You didn't "crush me like a bug". As a matter of fact, you wind up looking like an idiot as usual. I did answer you. I gave you the example of stepping on a woman and not caring.
Google some sites for comments from female fans he was rude to.
Who do you think I am? You are very quick to accuse one, but you are one of the worst anons. Forgot to mention to people her how you signed in under your name talking about yourself in the first person, then tried to cover it up with a I meant to say me.
You never do anything wrong. It's always poor you, no one leaves you alone. What a whiner.
third person.
What would you say if Gerard acted like Jared?
I don't anon unless I'm playing a game, and it's been a while. Way to try to change the subject.
And yeah, you guys don't leave me alone. You're still here being a pain in the ass, aren't you? So, that kind of proves that, well, you don't quit.
I don't whine about it, however. Show me once where I "whined" about you losers? You get up my ass, but that's about it. I know your deal.
Nope, you never did answer any of the things I asked you. But of course, you can't.
So, are we done with this now? I expect you'll be back in a few months with this nonsense again, but I mean, for now, are you through?
Oh, please anon. Give it up,it's getting so boring and it's making you look so pathetic.
I've already answered enough of your pointless questions and accusations. Nothing I say is going to make you let go of your hate-on.
Perhaps you're not done--I suspect you never will be--but I am.
One thing you didn't answer was why you think it's OK for you to wear even less clothes than LynZ, but she ends up being "a bad example".
I guess you think it's alright for you to dress like that, but if you happen to be successful it becomes "wrong" in your eyes.
So the thing that seperates you from LynZ is that she is a success and well know, and you are not.
This is another double standard you set up for yourself. If you or your friends or someone you like does it, then it's fine. But LynZ doesn't have the same rights as you.
And neither does Gerard.
You're running away now because you know you have no answer. You set up a double standard where it's alright for you to act a certain way but not LynZ. Your using the excuse that you're just bored.
But in reality you have no answer.
OMG you poor thing.You don't only look pathetic,you really are pathetic.You need to give it a rest, or you will make yourself sick(er).
Or maybe its that you wish you were one of those woman that Jared Leto uses and throws away.
No, what is pathetic is giving up and running away like a coward when you are cornered with real logic and you know you can't win.
And why don't you stop sticking up for yourself or getting your friends to stick up for you.
No,my dear.What's pathetic is you hounding someone you obviously can't stand even when you know you lost.You should seek some help.
Wrong again,poor soul. I'm just a reader who enjoys the conversation here most of the time. You are just a pathetic loser who can't let go.
Easy to say. PROVE IT.
Aren't YOU all pathetic losers because you can't let go of your MCR hate no matter what? That's all you come here to talk about day in day out.
Jared Leto sang
I want you open mouthed and on your knees
I want you choked cuffed to my hand
Imagine if Gerard Way sang Bad Romance that way.
He would get the standard OMG911!!!!1 he's such a sexist pig assheaded rodeo clown singing those lyrics telling young girls in the audience get on their knees and suck him off
Telling them they should spend their life walking on all 4 s like a dog cuffed to him OMG!!911!1 what a sexist ass
^You know it's true.
You know it.
She'll never admit it like she'll never admit any of the other double standards.
His taste in sex is obviously bondage.
Maybe she secretly likes that about him.
But of course a FEMINIST would never do something like that.
Not to get too involved, but I was at a 30 concert where Jared sang that.
He saw a young girl in the audience and he apologized to her and her sister or mother, whichever it was for the lyrics. Then he told the older woman to cover the younger girls' ears while he sang that part.
I know it's on youtube somewhere but I don't save everything 30 does obsessively in case I have to prove a point lol. Sorry but it is out there somewhere
He saw a young girl in the audience and he apologized to her and her sister or mother, whichever it was for the lyrics. Then he told the older woman to cover the younger girls' ears while he sang that part.
lulz
Link please.
I don't think your account / comment is any more a reliable source than those comments mentioned @
Anonymous said...
Lol. Links?
These sound like totally reliable sources to me.
August 15, 2010 7:42 PM
Anonymous kapunua said...
Yes, very reliable.
August 15, 2010 7:50 PM
He saw a young girl in the audience and he apologized to her and her sister or mother, whichever it was for the lyrics
lulz
Comedy gold.
I agree with you, Kapu, that the amount of sex partners one has has fuck-all to do with sexism, however, the arrows do seem to be pointing in the direction of Leto being a d-bag and having said and done things comparable to that which you criticize MCR and MSI for. I also saw Madonna's name tossed about earlier - explain how SHE's different from Lindsey, then, in your mind?
Comedy gold: Dstarpro Lindsey Ballato's bouncer.
It's not going to get you closer to Gerard, Dstarpro.
Did you bring your friends to back you up too?
And just because you asked for more well-known and/or visual sources:
Star Pulse
Perez Hilton
Esquire
Brooklyn Vegan
He definitely shoves a female fan around 2:10
Not trying to pass judgment on the dude, just making a point. Some of the anons were right - had this been Gerard, Frank or Jimmy Urine, especially at that last clip, you'd be beside yourself. The scales have to tip both ways.
No, what is pathetic is giving up and running away like a coward when you are cornered with real logic and you know you can't win.
OMG, you're such a joke.
Anon 11:58, what in Christ's name are you on about? See, this is what I mean about attempting to meet perfectly sound logic with lame "fangirl" accusations again. Too bad - the tone in here earlier was much more intellectual.
Outstanding Dstarpro, Gerard Way should invite you to his place to thank you shortly.
Intellectual, Something you're not too familiar with.
Grrrr here this one should work Shoving female fan 2:10
12:03, you're being an epic douche for absolutely no reason at all. My point has never been that Gerard, Frank or Lindsey are gods.
How so, 12:04? Point out to me exactly where I've demonstrated a decided lack of intellect or for that matter, respect in here as of late.
Haha, "as of late", as in new found *logic*
Take in good look in the mirror Dstarpro.
"Haha, "as of late", as in new found *logic*" - Anon 12:15 AM
No, as of late as in I figured if I didn't attack anyone, but rather listened and argued my points calmly, you wouldn't continue to resort to
"Take in good look in the mirror Dstarpro." Anon 12:16 AM
At what? What comment(s) did I make to warrant this retort, or did I just hit a nerve? Everyone else in here has, for the most part, been very respectful toward one another and argued their points calmly, whereas you sound like you're on the playground, exactly what vv was objecting to.
whereas you sound like you're on the playground, exactly what vv was objecting to.
Go on, kid yourself that little bit more. VV would not condone anyone cornering another blogger solely because they expressed a dislike of a few spoilt rockstars.
This is another double standard you set up for yourself. If you or your friends or someone you like does it, then it's fine. But LynZ doesn't have the same rights as you.
August 15, 2010 8:45 PM
And neither does Gerard.
Get over yourselves. He's just a rockstar married to another lame ass "musician" They don't give a damn about you and you defending them. It's not going to give you brownie points.
Aren't YOU all pathetic losers because you can't let go of your MCR hate no matter what? That's all you come here to talk about day in day out.
Like that's sooo horrible, like that's the end of the world to like 'hate' MCR.
it's not the end of the world it's just pointless and sad, spending all this time analyzing people that you 'hate' when you don't even know them.
it's not the end of the world it's just pointless and sad, spending all this time analyzing people that you 'hate' when you don't even know them.
Like this all really matters. Seriously.
One thing I have learnt is dumbass musicians that take themselves too seriously will be taken just as seriously by their dumbass fans.
it's not the end of the world it's just pointless and sad, spending all this time analyzing people that you 'hate' when you don't even know them.
I think you shouldn't be worrying so much about what's 'pointless' & "sad". Go worry about what's really "pointless" and "sad" in this world which doesn't relate to some ridiculous rockstars.
Hmm anyone else think that dstarpro WAS the anon who was badgering Kapu? Seems funny that she had the same links.
And the same "dog with a bone" attitude toward her.
Not trying to pass judgment on the dude, just making a point. Some of the anons were right - had this been Gerard, Frank or Jimmy Urine, especially at that last clip, you'd be beside yourself. The scales have to tip both ways.
I can't look at the clips you posted because I have to work, but if indeed Jared Leto has done some of the things he's been accused of, I will have the same animosity towards him as I do Gerard and Frank. My guess is that Kapunua will probably feel the same way.
At one time people here, including myself and many others, still had respect for Frank and defended him as well, but that was before twitter. Now our opinions are different.
Like I said, I can't look at the clips right now but it's not like my opinion of him is set in stone. I liked Gerard Way once too.
No, as of late as in I figured if I didn't attack anyone, but rather listened and argued my points calmly, you wouldn't continue to resort to
"Take in good look in the mirror Dstarpro." Anon 12:16 AM
One more thing and I have to go.
Dstarpro, you might also take a look at the responses that people who are arguing the "other side" logically get from random anons. Flip, nonsensical replies aren't limited to those of us who dislike MCR/MSI. Go look for responses calling us fat, stupid, freaks, etc., from MCR supporters. I think they probably outnumber the ones you have been pointing out.
Okay, one more thing. Just to avoid any confusion, I was not the anon who told you to "look in the mirror." The "one more thing" related to the fact that I posted the comment immediately above the one at 7:28.
My Dad used to do this funny thing. When people would be obtuse, and would make him repeat the same. damn. thing. OVER NINE THOUSAND times, he'd get really exasperated and make random hand gestures as he spoke very slowly, as if he were using Sign Language.
I wish I could do that over the internet.
Now, let this be for the last time, mmmkay?
LETO COULD VERY WELL BE A DOUCHEBAG. THAT DOES NOT = SEXISM.
D-baggery, while irritating, is not one of my buttons. It's not hate, misogyny, racism, homophobia, or exploitation. Everyone has moments. I have them.
MCR's list is cumulative. When you already see someone as such a disgusting SOB, you roll your eyes that much higher when they throw their puke at a group of people.
And I never claimed to be a fan of Madonna. Where did that even come from?
So, any time you guys feel like asking me this again, please direct your eyes to this post, and to the over nine thousand posts I made previously, last night.
Would you like me to say it in another language? I know some Hawaiian, a smattering of French and German... Or should I speak "Annoying," would you understand that?
Now that that's out of the way, (yeah, right - as "out of the way" as anyone can get from a pit bull; I'm sure they'll be back for more no matter what,) funny story.
Leto actually shoved me once, pretty hard. I actually nearly lost my footing when he did it. He did it in a joking way and was laughing as he did so, and so was I, but dude is a little stronger than he looks. If I'd known there was going to be any substance to that tiny person I'd have gotten into my horse stance, haha. ;D (Nah he's not really tiny, just thin and occasionally manorexic. Gross.)
Bert McCrackhead shoved my cousin once so hard that I almost decked him. She was just a wee kidlet and she was standing in his path as he was acting up, trying to run somewhere with his tongue out and generally acting like a moron. It was after a concert, actually.
You kinda realize that in a mosh pit, at parties where people are slamming, crowd-surfing, or any kind of dancing, you're gonna get shoved, stepped on etc.
I saw one of the last Ramones shows, years ago. It was insane. I was in the floor section, not the stands, but I thought I was far enough away from the pit; a good forty yards back. Then the show started, and everyone behind me rushed the stage. It was like a riptide. Eventually some guy picked me up by the waist like I was a mannequin, and ran with me until I was in the pit. I don't think he even realized he did it. He just grabbed someone and ran.
I was at a show once where Leto shut down the entire concert, broke up th epit, and had the house lights turned on because I girl who had been trying to get on stage fell really hard and cut her lip.
Rock shows are insane.
Groping is where I draw the line.
And no: you don't hold everyone to the same standard, naturally.
For example, I've always been the hugest fan of Joaquin Phoenix. I think he's massively talented and has always seemed like a really nice kid.
But lately, I'm super disappointed in him. The way he's acting up, being a jerk, and this pornish "movie" thing he's "working" on. It all just reeks.
However, because I've had a high opinion of him in the past, I'm more willing to think, "I wonder what's really going on here?" and be limited to disappointment and disgust, than if, say, Mel Gibson did the same exact thing.
Because Mel Gibson has already proved to me that he's a hate-filled racist / misogynist. So I automatically feel differently about everything he does.
Okay, now that I've had the opportunity to look at the things that were posted, I have to say that I agree with Kapunua. I don't seen anything here in Jared Leto's behavior that says "sexist".
He's a rock star. He acts like a rock star onstage (i.e., stage diving, moshing, pushing, etc.).
This blog has never been about rock stars doing those types of things. If so, we'd be dissing nearly all of them. It's about the fact that in the beginning, MCR in effect said, "Hey guys. We're different. We respect women and we value our fans. We have the same values you do." And then they got famous and did a 180 on that.
I don't understand why it's so hard for people to understand that.
*don't see
However, because I've had a high opinion of him in the past, I'm more willing to think, "I wonder what's really going on here?" and be limited to disappointment and disgust, than if, say, Mel Gibson did the same exact thing.
I agree with that and I think in the beginning, we were all doing the same thing with Gerard -- questioning whether or not he was having some kind of emotional problems or substance abuse relapse.
But after such a long time I've just come to the conclusion that Gerard and the other guys in MCR were never the people I thought they were.
But after such a long time I've just come to the conclusion that Gerard and the other guys in MCR were never the people I thought they were.
^ word.
That's it exactly. I feel like I gave MCR so many chances and they blew them all, each time acting more hideous than the last.
VV would not condone anyone cornering another blogger solely because they expressed a dislike of a few spoilt rockstars
Yet you other regs cornered dstarpro and Siobhan because they expressed dislike for the actions of Jared Leto, Lady Gaga and for your double standards.
No hypocrisy here. /sarcasm
each time acting more hideous than the last.
Examples of this hideous behavior.
Links please.
I admit I'd like to tell Jessicka to not worry: for sure they'll have a lot of people coming for the art show.
Just to see the face of G, and not the artworks.
Lol it must be so frustrating.
kapunua said...
However, because I've had a high opinion of him in the past, I'm more willing to think, "I wonder what's really going on here?" and be limited to disappointment and disgust, than if, say, Mel Gibson did the same exact thing.
IOW
I am a hypocrite and I do have double standards. 1 set of standards for people who I really really like and think are smexy and another for those I don't.
An obvious confession without saying the words I'm guilty of hypocrisy. I'm a hypocrite.
She and her trolls couldn't claim the moral or intellectual highground if they admit to being hypocrites who have double standards.
If they actually said the words.
Did any of you actually read the part where we said we gave MCR the benefit of the doubt in the beginning?
Is your reading comprehension always that selective? Talk about double standard.
kapunua said...
That's it exactly. I feel like I gave MCR so many chances and they blew them all, each time acting more hideous than the last.
August 16, 2010 11:33 AM
How many times must we say the same thing over and over? Does it have to be bolded? In caps?
Jeez.
"Cornered" Siobhan and Dstarpro were "cornered" LMFAO. They were answered politely, all anyone did was disagree with them. Yet Siobhan took a nasty attitude and Dstarpro would NOT take anyone else's opinion as an answer.
I'll bet you don't think K and Lynn and Sylvia were "cornered" even after the insanity of last night huh?
The double standard belongs ONLY to you few trolls.
Did any of you actually read the part where we said we gave MCR the benefit of the doubt in the beginning?
Is your reading comprehension always that selective? Talk about double standard.
Aww guys, let the trolls chew their own tails off here. They're simply not going to quit.
And they're going to hear whatever they want to hear no matter what you say, or how many different ways in which you say it.
11:59 more or less admitted that.
Rememer: they have one set of rules for their little "club" and another for us.
Moving on.
Has anyone read this article called Christian guys on immodesty, lust and the violence of women's bodies?
It's very interesting. Apparently we women are way too tempting, and should not do things like "act proud," stretch, bend over to tie our shoes, wear our purse strap across our chests, etc. This is all to "help men not treat us like objects."
Because you see, they can't be civil, and they can't be responsible for their own sins against us if we keep doing things like, you know, stretching! And wearing skirts!
An immodest lady is loud, proud, and dresses in a way that communicates such an attitude (male, age 24).
Burqa time!
Thoughts?
Of course the people here have a double standard. Kapunua can wear however little clothes she wants, and LynZ can't. I knew that from the beginning.
Obviously women have to wear long and big dresses. It's our fault if men want to rape us.
Disgusting
I live in the Bible Belt and I hear that kind of crap all the time.
I work with a lot of fundamentalist Christian women who let their husbands tell them how to dress. They have to ask permission to spend money from their husbands, despite the fact that they have jobs of their own! But every cent they earn goes into the joint account and the husband makes all the decisions.
One woman gets an "allowance" for clothes, groceries, etc. If she goes over her grocery allowance, the money comes out of her personal one.
Can you imagine?
kapunua said...
Rememer: they have one set of rules for their little "club" and another for us.
"
Pots meet kettles.
silvia said...
Obviously women have to wear long and big dresses. It's our fault if men want to rape us.
Disgusting
Obviously *LynZ* has to wear long and big dresses on stage. It's her fault teenage boys grope her when she stage dives. It's not Gaga's fault when it happens to her.
Disgusting.
Oh God, did you guys see that picture on the Time Magazine cover a while back who had her nose cut off because she ran away from her abusive inlaws in Afghanistan? I couldn't even read the article. The picture alone made me cry.
12:42, I simply can't imagine. I mean, it totally does exist and america on the whole is not as forward-thinking as we think we are. I sometimes read the comments section in news stories on the 'net, and every single day, I'm totally flummoxed by the crap I read from the far right. Just, wow.
But personally, for me, I can absolutely not imagine.
Wow.
"It's her fault teenage boys grope her when she stage dives. "
She did say she thought it was cool when 14 year old boys groped her.
12:54, I didn't see it. Ugh, no thanks. Heartbreaking.
JGL anon are you about the premises? I rented Mysterious Skin. Hope to watch it tomorrow. :)
Obviously *LynZ* has to wear long and big dresses on stage. It's her fault teenage boys grope her when she stage dives. It's not Gaga's fault when it happens to her.
Disgusting.
I think there is a difference between being classy (but sexy) and gross.
And I also think our dear Lynz does not know anything about this difference.
I do not like L or Lady Gaga at all, and I do think they're both vulgar and talentless. Because Lady Gaga is just a business product. And if they both did what they did (for Lynz being almost naked and groped by the crow, for L Gaga being used as a shocking icon for money), they AGREED on what they were/are doing.
I believe this blog is more about the people here who come to chat than it is about some stupid sexist band. But, I like the fact that there is a place for everyone to vent about these particular sexists bands
What do you think VV? I know you thought Gerard Way's asking an audience to fake an orgasm and moan for him once was sexist.
Do you think Jared Leto singing the lyrics
I want you open mouthed and on your knees
I want you choked cuffed to my hand
is sexist. He's done it more than once.
Do you think him saying cunt on a radio show is as bad or worse than Bob Bryar taking a picture of the word cunt and posting the picture?
Some here have pointed out that Jared didn't call anyone a cunt. He just said the word on a radio show.
Bob didn't call anyone that either. He just posted a picture of the word and said it was his new artwork.
Do you think it's fair to call one man sexist and not the other? I don't.
Do you see the hypocrisy there?
I'm curious.
I've seen the show where Jared said "cunt". He was somewhat goaded into it and he admitted that he thought the word was offensive, but yes, even though I like him, I think he showed a lapse in judgment there.
If he sang those lyrics at a show, I don't care for them and I think he needs to be called out on that.
I think there is a difference between being classy (but sexy) and gross.
You think Gaga's fishnet body suit was classy and sexy?
You think Gaga stripping down to her bra at a baseball game and flipping off fans, children and photographers was classy (but sexy)?
You think Gaga performing like this is classy and sexy. Not gross.
Really Silvia?
Why is that? Why is Gaga classy (but sexy)?
Why are LynZ gross for wearing more clothes and doing less offensive things publicly than Gaga?
You can not read or what? I wrote I can't stand Gaga because she's gross and talentless, same as Lynz.
Thank you for not having double standards 1:24. You seem like a fair and reasonable person.:)
With classy women I mean Meryl Streep, for example.
Who else do you deem classy?
Do any female punk / rock performers pass your class test?
Would they pass your classy but sexy not gross test if they wore long big dresses and covered up from head to toe?
I don't personally find singing about consensual sex, even S&M sex, sexist. Personally.
Oh my god just STOP. I mean sexy, YES, but NOT DIRESPECTFUL.
LYNZ IS DIRESPECTFUL BECAUSE EVERYONE CAN SEE HER PANTIES AT MSI GIGS.
Brody Dalle colud be sexy but not gross, I don't know her a lot so I can not say if she's respectufl or not.
Probably you have to be gross to earn money, sad but true!
But don't tell me Lynz is a role model please.
Real women of everyday, who fight for their families, are real women.
I don't find talking about or simulating masturbation on stage sexist.
"I don't find talking about or simulating masturbation on stage sexist."
I want you to ACTUALLY FUCK YOURSELVES for me.
It wasn't just that one incident with Gerard.
If you haven't read all of VV's then you can't see the big picture. But you don't want to see the picture anyway so think what you want.
I also don't find sexual songs sexist either. "Closer" by NIN is one of my all time faves, maybe even in my top ten.
And someone's sexual preference has absolutely no bearing on how I feel about them, whether they like it on top, on bottom, tied up, with boys, with girls, choked out, or hanging upside down off a cliff with cheese whiz involved. As long as it involves consenting adults, I'm all for whatever other people want to do.
Did you ever post under another name Silvia? Your immaturity, rudeness and abrasiveness have a familiar tone.
So does the Oh my god just STOP cry when anyone questions or disagrees with you.
How did you find this blog? I don't remember seeing your name here until recently.
I found it via twitter. A girl linked it to Lynz. Anyway I'm sorry, I just got really angry.
U can't tell I'm immature and stuff just for one reply.
Anyway my comments are always under my name. Why don't you put your name? :)
I want you to ACTUALLY FUCK YOURSELVES for me.
I want you OPEN MOUTHED AND ON YOUR KNEES.
Gerard is asking girls to mimmick servicing themselves for him.
Jared is asking girls to get on their knees and service him.
I'm not feeling that much of a difference.
I don't have a name Silvia. I'm just an anon who checks this blog every 3 or 4 weeks and points out hypocrisy where and when I see it.
Jared is asking girls to get on their knees and service him.
Jared did not specify girls or women. Gerard did.
Also, Gerard was speaking directly to the girls in the audience. Jared was singing lyrics.
Right, nameless, but you don't need to "do your job" with me cause if there is something I hate is hypocrisy.
Gerard is asking girls to mimmick servicing themselves for him.
Yes he did.
Jared is asking girls to get on their knees and service him.
No he's not. He's singing a song lyric. That isn't asking someone to do something.
I'm not feeling that much of a difference.
Because you don't want to. One is a song lyric, not directed at anyone in particular, or if it is, then that's between them.
Did the girls in the audience immediately go and suck him off? Not that I'm aware of.
Gerard directed his words to his fans, not in a song lyric. He just told them what to do, and they did it. Then he informed them that they would be doing that for the rest of their lives.
And this is, like I said, cumulative.
Mya.
" I don't have a name Silvia. I'm just an anon who checks this blog every 3 or 4 weeks and points out hypocrisy where and when I see it."
I have a great idea. Let's talk about Obama!
Jared did not specify girls or women.
Heehee. ;D That's uhh, true!
Let's. He was looking hot and sexy in those pictures from Florida.
He could afford to eat a few more bacon cheeseburgers. He would look even hotter with more meat and muscle on his bones.
He should find a good anti aging cream for men too. He aged an entire term in one year.
Michelle Obama has stronger looking more muscular arms than her husband.
She could take him out at arm wrestling. Just like Lyns could do with Gerard.^_~
Presidency just ages you. Still a fine lookin' man though, IMO.
What do you think of a mosque near ground zero?
I don't see what the big deal is. If we're going to blame every follower of a religion for the actions of the militant religious sects, then there shouldn't be churches of any sort anywhere.
I guess they should never build a Christian church anywhere in Salem, lol.
Right, or even close to anywhere an abortion doctor had been murdered.
30 FANS.
This is beautiful.
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=106208553
Rub it in the face of the trolls. It just came out today.
And it's amazing. Shows the love the band has for their fans.
I agree with Barack Obama. Muslims have the right to build a Mosque wherever they want in America.
I agree with Barack Obama. That doesn't mean they should build one near ground zero.
lol
JGL anon are you about the premises? I rented Mysterious Skin. Hope to watch it tomorrow. :)
I hope you like it. It was very, very disturbing, but it does an excellent job of showing how much hidden damage that child molestation can do.
JGL is brilliant in it and so were Brady Corbet and the two child actors. Warning: JGL looks like such a baby in this, even though he was in his twenties. Makes it even tougher to watch.
Let me know what you think. :)
I agree with Barack Obama. That doesn't mean they should build one near ground zero.
Why? That's like saying that you shouldn't build a Southern Baptist Church near a tree where blacks were lynched by the KKK.
Not all Muslims are radicals.
"Islamic extremist is to Islam as the KKK is to Christianity."
"KKK. . . It's the Klan gone medieval and global. It couldn't have less to do with Islamic men and women of faith of whom there are millions and millions.Muslims defend this country in the Army, Navy, Air Force, Marine Corp, National Guard, Police and Fire Department."
I agree with Barack Obama. The building of a Muslim community center near ground zero is a local not a federal issue.
I agree with Barack Obama. Other politicians should stay out of it unless they're talking to a group of Muslims like he was when he said they had a right to build their mosque wherever they wanted.
I agree with Barack Obama. Senate Majority leader democrat Harry Reid is not helping the Obama Democrats by saying the Mosque shouldn't be build near ground zero.
I agree with Harry Reid. President Obama's changing stances on building the Mosque near ground zero is not helping any Democrats.
Why? That's like saying that you shouldn't build a Southern Baptist Church
I don't know why. Ask Obama. He's the one who said it. I'm just agreeing with everything he said. What came out of both sides of his mouth.
His political skillz are growing stronger every day.
I knew the talk of Barack Obama would get Mya to reveal herself. I don't actually care what he does, I just wanted to make sure it was her.
Maybe I'm behind, but I thought Obama's stance was that Muslims deserve the right to build wherever they want, just the same as any other church. When did he say otherwise?
3:57 you just MYAbaited.
LOL. Haha sorry, can never resist a pun.
Harry Reid is wising up too. He's not going to risk losing his seat and his position of power in the Democratic party.
His constituents don't want the Mosque build near ground zero so Harry is publicly saying he doesn't want the Mosque built near ground zero.
Maybe I'm behind, but I thought Obama's stance was that Muslims deserve the right to build wherever they want, just the same as any other church. When did he say otherwise?
I think Mya gets all her news from sources even more right wing and less reliable than FOX News. Lol.
^She does. She's posted some seriously right wing links in the past.
I started to smell her when she was going after (specifically) Kapu with the 30STM hate. In the past those were always followed by Obama / Democrat bashing that had a certain "tone" and I knew she would never pass up the opportunity.
When did he say otherwise?
Today. After hearing about how many dems disagreed and didn 't appreciate what he said.
Watch the nat'l news tonight. The story will be on again.
His constituents don't want the Mosque build near ground zero so Harry is publicly saying he doesn't want the Mosque built near ground zero.
I don't think his constituents have the power to overturn the First Amendment.
She did tone it down though. She used to praise Bush, Cheney, McCain and Palin like crazy.
I don't actually care about Obama and the Mosque, I just wanted to see if I could Myabate as the other anon put it.
Democrat bashing?
Talking about news stories is democrat bashing. Since when?
There is a huge split in the democratic party right now. It's growing bigger ever day.
Just like the split in the Republican party caused by the tea party party movement.
I don't actually care about Obama and the Mosque, I just wanted to see if I could Myabate as the other anon put it.
I actually do care about it. I feel very strongly about the rights of all Americans, including those who just happen to be of Islamic faith.
I could Myabate as the other anon put it.
You failed.
You did succeed in starting what could be an interesting political discussion regarding the splits in both traditional parties. Even though all you really wanted to do is Myabate.
I don't actually care about Obama and the Mosque, I just wanted to see if I could Myabate as the other anon put it.
I care, actually, to the extent that I think if we're going to blame one religion for their extremists and disallow them a place of worship because of it, then we should disallow all of them by the same standards.
Outside of that, though, I think all religion and all churches are silly, TBQH.
JGL anon: I'm gonna make tonight my Fun Movie Night complete with ice cream: Batman with Cillian Murphy. And tomorrow my Serious Movie night with Mysterious skin. With no ice cream and probably a lot of flinching.
I don't actually care about Obama and the Mosque, I just wanted to see if I could Myabate as the other anon put it.
^there it is.
All they care about is trying to catch their most hated.
They don't care about equal rights, religious freedoms, tying to understand why many people will feel disrespected if the Mosque is built near ground zero or correct spelling.
It's all about the getting the ones they hate.
I dislike religion too, but I love our Constitution and it gives Muslims the right to build their mosque wherever they choose to build it.
I don't actually care about Obama and the Mosque, I just wanted to see if I could Myabate as the other anon put it.
^there it is.
All they care about is trying to catch their most hated.
They don't care about equal rights, religious freedoms, tying to understand why many people will feel disrespected if the Mosque is built near ground zero or correct spelling.
It's all about the getting the ones they hate.
Oh get real. You're probably the same person who was "Myabating" in the first place.
Was this elaborate scheme really worth it just to get that little jab in? A little bit pathetic, don't you think?
They don't care about equal rights, religious freedoms, tying to understand why many people will feel disrespected if the Mosque is built near ground zero or correct spelling.
I don't follow you. First you talk abotu "equal rights and religious freedoms" and then you're talking about people feeling "disrespected" by the mosque.
One of my good friends had this great idea. He said, why not take Ground Zero and put up a church where all sects/cults went to worship. Christianity, Muslim, Judaism, Wiccan, everything under the sun.
It's a nice idea (apart from the fact that, yeah, I find religion silly and frivolous though quite powerful,) but it will never happen.
Religion actually kinda entails disrespect of others. Isn't that one of the commandments, to allow no other god?
But it was a nice idea.
but I love our Constitution and it gives Muslims the right to build their mosque wherever they choose to build it.
It does. As long as the property was purchased legally. Which it was.
The constitution also gives people who don't agree with the building of the Mosque / Muslim community center near ground zero the right to protest and speak out against it.
Incidentally, I think after all these years I have a pretty good handle on getting the feel of who certain anons are. If other people need to somehow prove it to themselves, or "out" them, I can't and won't comment on that.
Because you know what I always used to say at Mayo's:
"Ahh, but the servant waits, while the master baits!"
;D
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