Recently we've had some trouble with a troll from a certain other blog, and people have been asking me to disable anon comments or install a tracker. I haven't even had a tracker or disabled anons. Anons are an important part of this blog because not everyone wants to use a name. And I try to respect everyone's privacy so I really don't want to use a tracker.
I think we need to ignore trolls from that blog. We have faced worse trolls before, from BN and other places such as that. Places like that are mostly the same, BN, 4Chan, that other blog, and they churn out mostly the same kind of people. When you ignore them they go away.
The "I think you're bothering someone I know" ploy is lame and probably false. If their blog is having a problem, then it's not our fault or our problem. That place has always been a train-wreck, all of a sudden someone wants to blame it on the folks here.
"I WILL DISRUPT YOU!!!!!1111111111trolltroll"
OH NO! Disrupt us, really? You're going to come in here and say mean things to people? Oh no please don't, whatever will we do.
Ignore it and it will go away. And if it doesn't go away - ignore it anyway. :)
We've had worse trolls than this one so hang in there guys. :)
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«Oldest ‹Older 1001 – 1200 of 1697 Newer› Newest»It's true. VV is very against the image Lindsey puts off for feminism.
We all know this.
You're that same troll that was calling people's opinions on Lindsey silly the other night, aren't you?
Honestly, if I were going to peg someone for a troll, it would be you.
You're the one who is interrupting what was a calm, reasonable and intelligent discussion, just because you don't want us saying that we all hate Lindsey.
"I've enjoyed it, intelligent anons. I say we just agree to disagree on certain aspects of feminism, yet agree that most of us really do have the best interests of women (and feminism) at heart."
So have I. I agree whole heartedly.
"I've enjoyed it, intelligent anons. I say we just agree to disagree on certain aspects of feminism, yet agree that most of us really do have the best interests of women (and feminism) at heart."
So have I. I agree whole heartedly."
Me too.
I truly hope that is the case as more women wouldn't have to suffer silently.
^well said
Only time will tell, I guess. What if she is a truly gifted artist and she does well with her art.
I hope that's the case. As much as I dislike her role in MSI, I would develop a new respect for her should she accomplish something useful and beautiful with her art.
"Only time will tell, I guess. What if she is a truly gifted artist and she does well with her art.
I hope that's the case. As much as I dislike her role in MSI, I would develop a new respect for her should she accomplish something useful and beautiful with her art."
can we laugh if she puts out Banana man again??
Thanks again all. Know there are a few women out here who actually respect Lynz and her friends who, whom consider themselves feminists, have real jobs, and are quite intelligent. I think I'll be leaving before it begins to get ugly in here again.
To those women who maintained their dignity, opinions, composure, and grace during this debate, I salute you.
I hope that's the case. As much as I dislike her role in MSI, I would develop a new respect for her should she accomplish something useful and beautiful with her art."
agreed 100%.
if the zoid really wants to do something for feminism she should quit msi and then do it.
however as long as she is in that woman hating band nothing she says or does will trick me into calling her a feminist.
i dont think youre a troll. i think youre the geetard look alike who runs mcrchat.
"So, yeah, let's keep it to MCR and Gerard, and not discuss Lyn-Z."
Here goes Kasu again telling people what they should and shouldn't say on this blog. Please.
Err...
I know this is late, but I meant to say that "you don't want us saying that we all don't hate Lindsey." Hope that makes more sense.
Sorry.
"if the zoid really wants to do something for feminism she should quit msi and then do it.
however as long as she is in that woman hating band nothing she says or does will trick me into calling her a feminist.
i dont think youre a troll. i think youre the geetard look alike who runs mcrchat."
Again, you are misrepresenting this place as you are interrupting what was an actual intellectual debate without name calling or idiocy.
Thanks, 7:53.
I enjoyed it. :)
i notice that that wasnt a no...
People can disagree in an orderly and dignified manner.
Can we please stop calling people who come here with different opinions trolls?
A troll is someone who comes in with no other purpose than to try and rile people up. I didn't see that happening with the feminism discussion tonight.
Obviously, we all have differing views but we managed to state them without it turning into a huge fight. What was wrong with that?
Like another anon said, third-wave feminism isn't helping women who are powerless in the world that exists outside of the sexual realm. This includes some third-world countries, but it includes America and countries that are pleased to think of themselves as "advanced," too.
When I heard Lindsey giving an interview, babbling about how "like the right to like dress like however lik you want and like show your panties like to like whoever" or whatever kind of dumbass thing she was saying, my first thought was that she was desperately trying to talk about third-wave feminism, but had only heard abotu it in passing and was using it as an excuse for her behavior.
Look. Sexual freedom is quite different from the freedom to degrade oneself, and more-so, the freedom to degrade other women, which is what both MSI and MCR do. What Lindsey seems to be saying is, "Well, it's okay if it's another woman doing that to women." (And let's just forget momentarily Gerard's disgusting, sexist comments and actions.)
Of course a woman should be able to wear what she wants and sleep with who she wants without being abused. But that's also not gonna happen. And having some silly bint run around showing her panties while pretending to play music really isn't helping feminism. I'm sorry, but it isn't. It doesn't help any "wave."
Take a look at The Girl Effect and honestly tell me if you think that some fake bassist flashing her bits is helping this cause out?
As far as "girl on girl hate," please take a look at MSI's lyrics. Sure, Jimmy Urine is the one vocalizing them, but both the females in that band go right along with those lines. So, it's quite hypocritical to be speaking out against "girl on girl hate" when they write songs that are hateful and violent towards women.
do you think wed all be debating right now over something that vv herself is the deciding factor on if not for outside instigation?
just because we call it an intelligent debate and not a fight doesnt change that someone instigated it. that someone wants us to fight so badly they dont care if we use every impressive word in our vocabulary to do it they just care that we do it.
were being fucked with. plain and simple.
i have step out now but you know ill be back.
""So, yeah, let's keep it to MCR and Gerard, and not discuss Lyn-Z.""
Yes let's everyone listen to Kasu, she's the new VV, she makes all the rules!
do you think wed all be debating right now over something that vv herself is the deciding factor on if not for outside instigation?
Verita Venom is the owner of this blog, yes. But she has never, not once to my recollection, told us what we could or could not say and she certainly has never told us what to think.
I don't agree with Third Wave Feminism, but I think the discussion we had tonight was interesting and productive.
If you didn't like it, you could have scrolled right by.
Kasu is the new owner of the blog, didn't everyone get the memo?
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Take a look at The Girl Effect and honestly tell me if you think that some fake bassist flashing her bits is helping this cause out?
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Great website Kap, thanks. I agree with your words as usual.
"were being fucked with. plain and simple. "
come on, you seriously can't be THAT paranoid? It was an actual intelligent well mannered discussion. Live with it.
That was great, Kapunua.
Thanks so much for that link. :D
You're quite welcome. I actually found that page on an ad somewhere and I thought it was really awesome.
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As far as "girl on girl hate," please take a look at MSI's lyrics. Sure, Jimmy Urine is the one vocalizing them, but both the females in that band go right along with those lines. So, it's quite hypocritical to be speaking out against "girl on girl hate" when they write songs that are hateful and violent towards women."
THIS. THIS.
Sorry. I wish you would stop misinterpreting my suggestions as "rules" because I'm not trying to be controlling. I just thought that maybe we should try and stay off of Lyn-Z, because every time she gets spoken about, it gets into a troll fight. Also, you probably should adopt a moniker or initial so we can tell you apart.
I'm enjoying this discussion very much, BTW.
~Kasu
I wouldn't pay any attention to the person who is harassing you, Kasu.
Yeah, in the beginning it did look like you were trying to tell us what to say, but I think we understand you a little better now.
""So, yeah, let's keep it to MCR and Gerard, and not discuss Lyn-Z.""
How is that not telling people what they should or should not talk about?
lol
". I just thought that maybe we should try and stay off of Lyn-Z, because every time she gets spoken about, it gets into a troll fight."
I disagree. It's not a "troll fight." We're having a conversation. You don't have to read it if you don't like it, but honestly, it comes across as "let me tell you all what is okay to discuss and what isn't."
""So, yeah, let's keep it to MCR and Gerard, and not discuss Lyn-Z.""
How is that not telling people what they should or should not talk about?"
Can't fight with trolls so you turn on each other. Classic.
Incidentally, Verita has posts about Lindsey, quite a few of them. She doesn't "stay away from that subject." And last I checked, that's Verita's name in the URL up there.
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Can't fight with trolls so you turn on each other. Classic."
How is that "turning on each other"? It's jut asking Kasu to stop trying to dictate what we should say here.
"Incidentally, Verita has posts about Lindsey, quite a few of them. She doesn't "stay away from that subject." And last I checked, that's Verita's name in the URL up there."
THis too. I didn't see any "troll fighting" just a discussion about different kinds of feminism. I got a good link out of it.
One person telling us to stop talking is annoying.
BTW asking Kasu to stop trying to shut down conversations is not "harassment" God, stop being dramatic.
You don't see this kind of in-fighting at Mayo's.
Okay, I'm sorry. And I meant that the zoid seems to a bit inflammatory. I legitimately am not trying to control. And kapunua, I don't like reading arguments, true. So I'll stop saying this if you stop ragging on me, fair enough? Thanks.
~Kasu
lol
Golden.
This in fighting is great. Next thing you know you'll all be calling VV out for the fat miserable obsessive pig she is.
Lol and we aren't fat obsessive pigs for getting into arguemnts on VV's blog? [/sarcasm]
Who's "ragging on you?" Please. You can keep on requesting that people not talk about things you don't like - even though we've been discussing them long before you were here. It probably won't make a difference, because people talk about what they want.
Telling people what not to say is inflammatory, especially when it's just a normal discussion.
It'll nice if you stop trying to tell people what to do, but do you at least get why it's not a good idea to do that?
Over at Mayo's someone like Kasu would be respected and not harassed, yes, HARASSED and picked on like this. Mayo's is a peaceful place and you don't see picking apart on one person like you do here.
What's the Mayo's link? I want to go there instead!
Over at Mayo's someone like Kasu would be respected and not harassed, yes, HARASSED and picked on like this. Mayo's is a peaceful place and you don't see picking apart on one person like you do here.
Oh, no, of course not. They made sure there was no one left to do that to, after they, yanno, posted or personal information all over the blog, sent around copied and pasted emails about those of us they didn't like, and took shots at the things that were most dear to us.
Go on, run along.
Mayo's link. Sounds like a great place.
It's baaaaack.
Lol.
Going to bed now.
Yes, I understand. Sorry. I wish I could join in this feminism discussion, but I don't see what I could have to offer... On an unrelated note, who is Mayo and what is her infamous blog?
~Kasu
What was it they did in The Hobbit? Kept them arguing amongst themselves until the sun came up and then they turned to stone?
What was it they did in The Hobbit? Kept them arguing amongst themselves until the sun came up and then they turned to stone?
Yeah, but I think we only have one, so that won't work. Just ignore it. It will get lonely and go bother someone else.
Mayo's is just a cesspit, nothing really important. Verita compared it to 4Chan, and rightly so. Mayo's is a mistake.
I'm very glad that you understand though. And I'm sure you do have something to add to a conversation about feminism. I think that everyone has a stake in the issue of feminism, and where it's leading to, and why it's necessary.
It's hard to see from a privileged point of view - and I say this as someone who is relatively privileged, as someone who grew up in a house, with food on the table, two parents, the ability to get an education, and being (mostly) white. Obviously minorities have it a lot tougher, as do lower income, homeless women, and those in third-world countries.
But, even privileged as we are, it's not too hard to see that women still get paid less, still have less opportunities, and still derive "role model" from some dim tart who flashes her undies and marries a guy who likes to make 13 year old girls simulate orgasm for him, all under the flag of "feminism."
You've got plenty to say. :)
I couldn't get through The Hobbit. I'm a bad geek.
Mayo link please?
We've got 2, actually. Me, but I'll stop, and my unwanted defender.
~Kasu
And on that note, I have to quit looking at Resident Evil fanart and get my ass to bed. I forgot I have work tomorrow. Good night!
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Oh, no, of course not. They made sure there was no one left to do that to, after they, yanno, posted or personal information all over the blog, sent around copied and pasted emails about those of us they didn't like, and took shots at the things that were most dear to us.
Go on, run along."
Oh please. You and your "friends" asked for that behavior by acting the way you did.
Some rudeness is deserved.
Same. I'll come back tomorrow :)
~Kasu
I couldn't get through The Hobbit. I'm a bad geek.
Oh, the Hobbit was fun. Although Tolkien does tend to ramble.
I read the first book in the LOTR series, but I didn't get any further that that.
I liked the films though. Viggo Mortensen, don'tcha know. :D
Night, Kapunua. I'm off to bed as well.
Viggo Mortensen, don'tcha know. :D
Oooh, Viggo Mortensen. Yum.
I realize I'm probably here by myself now, but did anyone see The Road? My God, that was so sad. It was hard to watch and wasn't nearly as good as the book, but VM was amazing in it.
The cesspit most people here were once a part of.
http://its-mayonaise.blogspot.com
Verita started this blog in response to Mayo's.
http://its-mayonaise.blogspot.com
What does this blog have to do with MCR or VV??
told you we were being fucked with...
This is the kind of girl on girl hate I'm talking about people.
The intelligent women I'm debating with here most certainly can't be standing for this crap.
LOL! Sister got worked up because some people dont like Lindsey. She doesn't think we should hate on other women. Should we look up to Courtney Love? Is it safe to say that her parental skills are a little screwed up or is that mean for us to say, seeing as we are women? Yes i think it is good to debate but honestly you were showing a little girl on girl hate calling some of us unintelligent. Practice what you preach.
"Um, just wondering, when did MCR EVER say they liked girl/girl hate? (Not sarcastic)"
i don't think they ever flat out said it, but judging on their recent actions both on stage and online it certainly seemed to suggest it.
what i mean by that is they have a more sexist attitude judging by their online posts which at least to me would suggest they like girl fights and stuff like that.
At this point I actually couldn't care less about Gerard Way and his merry men... But seriously.
"[ Lynz Way, Chantal, Jessicka Addams }"
I would identify each one of these ladies as third wave feminist. Say what you will but they are artists in my book. They all have individually in their own way done plenty for girls self esteem. Even Chantal, whose music I don't particularly like but it's not easy getting up there when you are not a size 2.
Just a quick lesson, Third-wave feminism is a term identified with several diverse strains of feminist activity and study from 1990 to the present. The movement arose as a response to the failures of and backlash against initiatives and movements created by second-wave feminism of c. 1960s through the 1970s and the realization that "women" are of "many colors, ethnicities, nationalities, sizes, religions and cultural backgrounds".
The third wave embraces "contradictions" and "conflict", and accommodates diversity and change. There is, in this wave, no all-encompassing single feminist idea.
In a nut shell I have a lot of respect for these ladies esp. Jessicka whom has been doing (grrl positive) music in the riot grrl scene since 90's.
WTF? Isn't there enough girl on girl hate in this world? I assume a lot of you are women here, correct? Possibly mothers? Possibly feminists? Possibly artists?
I get what this blog is all about but it is really necessary to drag friends of Gerard's wife in this shit? Why not focus on Gerard and his band and not his family, his kid, or his wife's friends.
Carry on, if you must.
I'm sorry I completely disagree with you. To express a dislike of a female and her behavior is not "girl on girl" hatred. Do you seriously expect everyone to support a female merely because of her gender? Some sort of inverted sexism here?
These sort of convoluted arguments make me laugh. I don't like this woman or her friends and the way they represent themselves and I certainly do not see them as representative a me as a female.
And I will carry on as I feel they represent misogyny in a trussed up, crotch flashing lipsticked pretty punk package under the guise of "empowerment".
The fact is we are still served the consolation prize: this so called "third wave feminism" is a misnomer. Until we address why women in everyday life approximately 10 to 17 % less than their male counterparts in identical vocations and are still seen as responsible for child rearing and most domestic duties, things will not change.
So no, LynZ or her cronies are not representative of me.
Hello, I'm not a troll or anyone trying to start anything. I just wanted to say to Kasu, that I thought it was good of her to want to leave Lindsey out of the discussions here. There are certainly valid points to both leaving her out, and bringing her into it here.
But for someone Kasu's age, I thought it was very impressive that she wanted to try and stick to the main focus here. To rise above, for lack of a less-offensive way to word it. I think she is trying to understand things that have happened with MCR, and convey her disappointment in that/them, without jumping on easy insults. For a 14 year old, I find that refreshing. Especially considering the amount of things that have gone down in the MCR/MSI camp that can be so easily used against them.
I just wanted to say I admire your attempt, Kasu. Even if I am one to be disappointed and take low shots, anyway. ;)
I agree, Third Wave is a dangerous concept. It takes us back, not forward, IMO. I don't see how chosing to behave like a whore is better than being forced to behave like a whore. It's contrived, in the least. But until someone explains this to the women running rampant with this idea, nothing will be done about. Nothing will get better, only worse. The anon that said education is key, is spot on. But unfortunately the Third Wave is the new trend of information reaching people right now.
I honestly don't think Lindsey understands how damaging her and her friends behavior in this is. I'm not trying to excuse them, I'm just saying considering her influences for the past 10 years, how could she really know better? I'm amazed she even knows of this new form of "feminism." I'm sad for her actually, and the girls that look up to her. But she isn't the only female in the limelight to embrace this new concept. I can't actually think of one relatively young or popular entertainer that doesn't use the "empowerment" card as a scapegoat.
The right education has to begin with the role models. But I'm guessing better education doesn't really sell as well as some T&A.
I honestly don't think Lindsey understands how damaging her and her friends behavior in this is. I'm not trying to excuse them, I'm just saying considering her influences for the past 10 years, how could she really know better? I'm amazed she even knows of this new form of "feminism." I'm sad for her actually, and the girls that look up to her. But she isn't the only female in the limelight to embrace this new concept. I can't actually think of one relatively young or popular entertainer that doesn't use the "empowerment" card as a scapegoat.
If you have nothing else to draw attention to yourself in terms of real talent etc, you project your sexuality. All they're are doing is reinforcing the message that ultimately a female's value is one of window dressing, and that being decorative is the highest form of power.
I agree. And the Third Wave of Feminism has just given them an excuse to behave like that. It's sugar coating or window dressing a backward, defunct concept. And no one is telling these women otherwise. Lyn-Z isn't the first to run with it, nor will she be the last. It's too convenient. Just as controversy is Jimmy U's great excuse to behave as he does.
However, with Lyn-Z I think it was just easier for her to take the concept as is, without trying to understand it better, before claiming it as something she believed in or supported. I honestly don't believe she knows the truth of the concept. Ignorance is hard to fight, especially if, ironically, you are unaware of it.
As far as "girl on girl hate," please take a look at MSI's lyrics. Sure, Jimmy Urine is the one vocalizing them, but both the females in that band go right along with those lines. So, it's quite hypocritical to be speaking out against "girl on girl hate" when they write songs that are hateful and violent towards women."
Excellent point and to be repeated again and again and again.
Only time will tell, I guess. What if she is a truly gifted artist and she does well with her art.
I hope that's the case. As much as I dislike her role in MSI, I would develop a new respect for her should she accomplish something useful and beautiful with her art.
If that were the case why wasn't she pursing this instead of her pathetic stint in MSI? And why now when she has instant recognition via her Way tag?
Thanks again all. Know there are a few women out here who actually respect Lynz and her friends who, whom consider themselves feminists, have real jobs, and are quite intelligent. I think I'll be leaving before it begins to get ugly in here again.
To those women who maintained their dignity, opinions, composure, and grace during this debate, I salute you.
Sure Jessica Addams.
When you think about it, G Way openly supported Lyn-Z with his "moan for me" crap on stage. So I think discussing both of them is relevant.
I personally feel that female musicians should be held to the same level of criticism that male musicians are- meaning, that if a woman is mediocre at her instrument, I don't believe in holding her in a higher regard than a male with the same level of talent purely because she's female.
In a nut shell I have a lot of respect for these ladies esp. Jessicka whom has been doing (grrl positive) music in the riot grrl scene since 90's.
You cannot be serious. Her band is no different to MSI.
Just a quick lesson, Third-wave feminism is a term identified with several diverse strains of feminist activity and study from 1990 to the present. The movement arose as a response to the failures of and backlash against initiatives and movements created by second-wave feminism of c. 1960s through the 1970s and the realization that "women" are of "many colors, ethnicities, nationalities, sizes, religions and cultural backgrounds".
The third wave embraces "contradictions" and "conflict", and accommodates diversity and change. There is, in this wave, no all-encompassing single feminist idea.
Amazingly this form of feminism" seems to play into conventional male fantasies.
As for "Gerard is a wanker," well, as I've said, I think that the good Gerard DID, in fact, exist, but was just corrupted by fame. I think that it wasn't just a manufactured image
That's your opinion. I don't share your optimism about him.
And being "nice" on twitter is not reflective of anything. They have to maintain their fans to continue the band.
"I just wanted to say to Kasu, that I thought it was good of her to want to leave Lindsey out of the discussions here."
Disagree. This blog is largely about Lyn-Z and her fake feminism. It has been for years. For Kasu to come in here and tell others to "leave her out of it" because it makes HER uncomfortable is way out of line.
How hypocritical of Kapunua to tell Kasu it's wrong to say a subject makes her uncomfortable. I seem to remember Kapunua telling certain people at Mayo's not to discuss her grandmother when she died and her father when he died.
So what's good for you is not good for others? That's just like you.
Most of the people here did not come from that cesspit and we don't care what goes on or used to go on there.
I understand that you're desperate to try and make that place relevant again, but it ain't going to happen.
Ignore 6:41, their comments are not even worth responding to.
Lol, the people from 'that place' can't stand the fact that there can be an intelligent discussion here about real issues when all they're able to talk about is what's for dinner or how many times they heard the coyotes howl the night before.
Let their little troll here come and make an ass of herself. It just proves what everybody already knows about that other place.
That's your opinion. I don't share your optimism about him.
Unfortunately, I agree with you. I see them now like any other band in the industry just out to make money any way they can.
You wanna know my opinions? Here they are.
Lyn-Z: I think that she is an irresponsible anti-feminist who is piggybacking on her new fame (which she earned via a marriage; so non feminist) to get her art out there, like Gerard and TUA. She herself has admitted that she doesn't have talent, so she is purely a "performer," which in this day and age seems to equate to "sells her body". Also, her band is so disgusting towards women, and people in general, that if she wanted to make a statement, she'd leave them. If she ends up making a good name for herself (her OWN name) in art, and leaving MSI, then I would have a bit more respect for her, but as of now, I have none. She seems like (for lack of a better word) a "spoiled feminist"; one of those girls who uses the name of "feminism" to say "I can do whatever I want and it's feminist!" without thinking about how her actions affect OTHER women.
I can't say much about my experiences as a feminist, because I'm really not sure about the politics of that term, but I can say this: I'm sick of being objectified. I'm sick of having sleazy old men come up to me and run their fingers through my "sexy hair," and I'm sick of being asked to "do that again, beautiful" if I so much as flip my hair in the wrong neighborhood in the vicinity of bored guys. I'm sick of being objectified.
As for MCR...
Gerard: I think that he's gotten REALLY hypocritical. If he's so feminist, why promote MSI like that (to his CRAZY YOUNG fans), and get so close to Lyn-Z? I thought that her type would annoy him or something. And as for that moaning thing, it actually didn't bother me (not even when he said "only the ladies") until he said "You're gonna be doing this the rest of your life". I've heard girls say that it's saying "You're gonna be orgasming a lot in your lives", as a compliment, but that just comes off as so sleazy I don't think he would cross THAT line. So he's basically saying "You're gonna be moaning for someone else's entertainment", which is effectively what he'd been speaking out against with the "Don't show your tits for passes" remark. They're complete opposites.
And I hate to bring up something this old, but...
Frank: Why did everyone get so worked up about those "punch the snow god in the vagina" and Jersey Shre Tweets? They both make perfect sense. As a girl, I wouldn't want to write that I want to punch something where I know personally that it hurts, so I'll just go with the other gender so it's not personal. I'd say "I wanna rip the weather god's balls off". I've said that in the past. It's not sexist; it's saying something phrased to make you seem and feel less masochistic. As for the Jersey Shore Tweet, Frank is the kind of crass person who would probably have enjoyed it if a "POS girl punched out a POS girl" as well, or a "POS girl punching out a POS guy". I think it was the idea of two losers punching each other that appealed to him, not their genders.
This whole idea that it's sexist and offense if a guy punches a girl IS OFFENSIVE IN ITS OWN RIGHT. It's based off of the "guys don't hit women" idea which, although honorable, is trying to "protect the weaker sex". It may be reminiscent of domestic violence, but no one bats an eye when two guys fight, and gay domestic abuse happens in our world as well. I think that the truly feminist idea would be to allow everyone to hit each other, and get upset over the violence itself, not the genders involved.
On an unrelated note, I checked out Mayo's blog. She sounds like some loser TRYING to sound like Gerard or Lyn-Z.
I hope this adds to the discussion
~Kasu
My understanding is that Lindsey was relatively unknown apart from a cult following with MSI fans and become a little bit more known by her marriage. Then suddenly she became "inspirational" like she was spear-heading some new movement in the music industry. I think discussing her is very pertinent.
Why did everyone get so worked up about those "punch the snow god in the vagina" and Jersey Shre Tweets? They both make perfect sense.
I disagree. He could have said "punch in the face" just as easily, but he chose to gender the "snow God" he had previously referred to as "it."
There is a difference, considering we live in a patriarchy. Men have never been oppressed for being men. There is a difference.
Men have never been oppressed for being men.
True, however they judge themselves with varying degrees based on what they consider masculine . Basically it's a fortress constructed around themselves of their own making. Boys clubs don't always suit all boys.
"Unfortunately, I agree with you. I see them now like any other band in the industry just out to make money any way they can."
That's your opinion of them now. I'm not trying to force you to believe it, because I WILLINGLY CHOSE to do so myself. I believe wholeheartedly that they've gotten corrupted by their sudden break into mainstream.
On an unrelated note, how did any ex- or possibly current MCR fans get into them? I have an odd story: I heard Helena in sixth grade, shortly after TBP was released, but I only bothered to get that one song and didn't care about them enough to do anything other than list them as a favorite band. Cut to last summer - I'm in my all-girls rock camp (Willie Mae Rock Camp, so amazing), and I mention to my new friend (and by new I mean as of three minutes earlier) that I like MCR. Cue her flipping out, me going "Oh, they sound good" when she puts on I'm Not Okay, and me looking into them further. Then I watch some (old) interviews and fall in love. Then, about two weeks ago, I find someone ranting about this site. I decide to be informed and look it up, and find myself agreeing with it. Now, I'm here.
And one more thing that annoys me: NO ONE actually believes that I'm bisexual. They think I'm doing it for guys' attention. Not even my best friend thinks I'm legitimately attracted to girls sometimes. It's really annoying.
~Kasu
Another reason the Jersey Shore Tweet riled so many people was that MCR used to claim that they were strongly "anti-violence", but then suddenly Frank is saying that people punching one another in a bar over a drink = proof of God?
Having watched that clip, I have to say that anyone who was not appalled by that muscle bound Phys Ed teacher punching that less than 5 foot girl, let alone finding it funny, is a despicable human being.
Even the people on ONTD were disgusted by that Jersey Shore incident, and they're not exactly known for their political correctness or sensitivity.
Um, I watched it and found it funny. I think that it was funny. And as for that "he could have said 'punch in the face' but he chose to gender it", I think it was for emphasis. As I said, I would choose "rip its balls off" over "smack it in the face" to show how annoyed I was easily, and we all can tell Frank is a crass human being.
~Kasu
That incident was very sad and shows how much consideration of others have regressed in an insidious way and that things of this nature should never be trivialized.
Um, I watched it and found it funny. I think that it was funny.
Okay, well, I've been willing to excuse some of the things you've said before because of your age, but not this.
What kind of human being finds that sort of thing funny?
What kind of human being finds that sort of thing funny?
Frank Iero.
Nuff said.
I find violence (if not too serious) funny. And I dislike the girl in question a lot. If someone I dislike gets punched, I'll laugh. Simple as that.
And please, don't treat me differently because I'm young. It's very disparaging. Treat me like I was your age, okay?
~Kasu
If someone I dislike gets punched, I'll laugh. Simple as that.
So that's a solution to everything. If you don't like them, punch them.
Okay, it's puerile. But I'm a bit of a violent person. I don't act on it to strangers, but my friends and I will not hesitate to smack someone on the arm hard enough to redden or such if they're being annoying. I mean, just because I don't like someone, doesn't mean I'll punch them, but if it does happen to them independently, I find it funny.
~Kasu
Gazoo defender of Frank Iero.
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Gazoo? And I'm defending MY opinion; I have no way of knowing what he personally felt about it. I'm just saying that it's possible to write that without caring about the genders, just the fact that a "POS" got punched.
~Kasu
I'm sorry, but I'm out of this discussion. I'm uncomfortable talking to someone who thinks that violence is ever a reasonable answer.
The fact that you (and Frank) can refer to another human being as a "POS" and think that means it's okay to punch them speaks volumes about your character. And none of it good.
Yeah, I haven't watched Jersey Shore myself and the only thing I can garner is that Snooki was/is annoying. Doesn't make her a "POS." :/
Seriously, what has that Snooki girl ever done to you to warrant your calling her a Piece of Shit?
I'm a bit of a violent person. I don't act on it to strangers, but my friends and I will not hesitate to smack someone on the arm hard enough to redden or such if they're being annoying.
Maybe one day you'll smack the wrong person and they'll deck you with a hard punch to the face like that guy did to Snooki.
I doubt you'll be laughing then.
I find you extremely annoying, Kasu. Does that mean I should punch you in the face?
I find you extremely annoying, Kasu. Does that mean I should punch you in the face?
No?
Didn't think so.
But it's okay to do it to somebody else?
Sense. You make none.
Okay, I know I'm in the wrong here. Violence isn't an answer, but I find it funny when used as such on a loser. As for her being a POS, well, she's annoying. And to me, that deserves to be punched once. And as for punching me, go ahead. I've gotten worse, I don't care. Anyone want to elaborate on any of my other points?
~Kasu
And as for punching me, go ahead.
But, you see, that's the difference between you and me. I would never actually punch you or anybody else.
And I don't think that anyone -- ever -- "deserves" to be punched.
Anyone want to elaborate on any of my other points?
Actually, no.
I think we're done. I know I'm done with you.
I'd really like to apologize for coming off as hostile. And I'd like to explain myself.
1) I don't think Snooki is a POS. I think she's an annoying skanky lowlife, but not a POS. But it's not hard to see how Frank would consider her one.
2) Do you know the show America's Funniest Home Videos? My thoughts are like that. I wouldn't punch someone simply because they annoyed me, but if it happened to them, I'd laugh. I wouldn't do it myself, though.
3) My whole point of bringing that up was to point out that it's not necessarily sexist. Not to debate violence.
I'd love to try and calm this down, myself included, and get back to an intellectual discussion. If everyone else is willing, let's try. I'm sorry for offending you, anon.
~Kasu
2) Do you know the show America's Funniest Home Videos? My thoughts are like that. I wouldn't punch someone simply because they annoyed me, but if it happened to them, I'd laugh. I wouldn't do it myself, though.
yea that kinda is funny... but uh.. i punched in a locker last year... so i know that i am a violent person
Well, I guess I should weigh in on some of this as I did enjoyed the debate yesterday. Hopefully points can be made and civility will reign again today.
"LOL! Sister got worked up because some people dont like Lindsey. She doesn't think we should hate on other women. Should we look up to Courtney Love? Is it safe to say that her parental skills are a little screwed up or is that mean for us to say, seeing as we are women? Yes i think it is good to debate but honestly you were showing a little girl on girl hate calling some of us unintelligent. Practice what you preach."
I never called anybody unintelligent. Do not twist what I said. I practice respectfulness toward people ( in general) in my daily life and continue to do so here as well.
I do not consider Courtney Love a third wave feminist. I have no idea if she identifies herself as one. I am not a fan of her or her work.
I am most certainly not worked up because people here don't like Lynz. Calm as a cucumber here. I was simply trying to share my thoughts on third wave feminism and how they made pertain to Lynz and some of the people now lumped in with her beaus of their association. Sure, I'll admit certain unfounded comments irked me prior to the intellectual debate. Just as some of you have negative opinions about Lynz and her friends, I have the certain opposing opinions based on what I believe to be true.
Starting rumors about two women sleeping with each other based on nothing is ludicrous.
"I'm sorry I completely disagree with you. To express a dislike of a female and her behavior is not "girl on girl" hatred. Do you seriously expect everyone to support a female merely because of her gender? Some sort of inverted sexism here?"
Fine let's agree to disagree. Like I said prior to this I think girl on girl criticism is constructive and necessary. Girl on Girl hate is not. I don't expect anybody to support a woman just because of her gender but in the same sentence I expect that people make judgement calls from fact and not speculation and rumor. I am not suggesting that these women represent YOU, I am discussing what these women represent to ME.
Just like feminism itself there is a clear divide.
The hostility between the feminist Waves has created divisions among women that must be overcome if we are ever to hope to continue moving feminism forward. Certainly, it is not the first division between feminists. Every Wave contained its own divisions. However, the time spent fighting each other takes away time and energy from fighting the real enemies. Of course, therein lies another division — who the enemy is.
I stand firmly that calling a women a whore because of her dress and her attitude is simply NOT the answer.
"In a nut shell I have a lot of respect for these ladies esp. Jessicka whom has been doing (grrl positive) music in the riot grrl scene since 90's. You cannot be serious. Her band is no different to MSI."
I can be serious. Scarling. a shoegaze band is absolutely nothing like MSI. And Jack Off Jill from the 90's is more akin to Babes In Toyland, L7, Bikini Kill, and 7 Year Bitch ( all bands you might want to check out if you are not familiar) All with brash grrl positive messages. There's nothing racist or misogynist about her bands.
That's my point really, a lot of are making weird assumptions without having any facts/knowledge to back it up.
"Amazingly this form of feminism" seems to play into conventional male fantasies."
As women don't we have just as many fantasies as men. Powerful women are a turn on to me as a women. Like art isn't fantasy subjective to each individual, no matter what their gender is?
A patriarchal, profoundly misogynist man used his position of religious authority to demonize and control women, and to irrelevantly blame the ills of the world on our vile, dangerous sexuality.
Women responded by saying, “Screw you. Our sexuality is not responsible for earthquakes — snicker — or any other horrible ills. Our sexuality is amazing, and we will claim it and flaunt it any damn way we choose. Our bodies, our right to decide.”
How, exactly, is that not feminist? How exactly is that a convectional male fantasy?
"Lyn-Z: I think that she is an irresponsible anti-feminist who is piggybacking on her new fame (which she earned via a marriage; so non feminist) to get her art out there, like Gerard and TUA. She herself has admitted that she doesn't have talent, so she is purely a "performer," which in this day and age seems to equate to "sells her body". Also, her band is so disgusting towards women, and people in general, that if she wanted to make a statement, she'd leave them. If she ends up making a good name for herself (her OWN name) in art, and leaving MSI, then I would have a bit more respect for her, but as of now"
What's so wrong with just being a performer? Admitting your strengths and weaknesses? I really don't see her selling her body. Flashing her panties, come on people? If somebody like Jared Leto came out nude or flashed his panties on stage would you have the same opinion? And while we are on this topic what is your opinion of the band the Gossip? Beth Ditto plays some sets entirely nude. Is it OK because she is an out lesbian, overweight and empowering women? Nothing too sexy there to some people?
I still believe there is a huge double standard here.
And whose is to say Lynz is still in MSI as far as I see the band is on hiatus, maybe permanently ? I honestly doubt that if she left MSI that any of you would truly give her any slack, even if she became a successful artist as (most people) you can't get over associations and truly look at the person for face value.
Like I said before only time will tell.
Don't get me starting on punching people and violence, I'll be here all day and I'm sure you are all sick of my diatribes by now.
The problem I have with "panty-flashing" is that she claims to be a good role model. It's like when little girls try to act like Britney Spears.
And that Jared Leto comment... not to be immature, but BRAIN BLEACH PLEASE.
~Kasu
Yes, like I said, let's drop the violence issue. That wasn't my point, and I don't really give a shit if Frank is violent, which we ALREADY KNOW he is.
~Kasu
"If you have nothing else to draw attention to yourself in terms of real talent etc, you project your sexuality. All they're are doing is reinforcing the message that ultimately a female's value is one of window dressing, and that being decorative is the highest form of power."
Last thing I swear. Then why is it OK in our society for men with very little talent to project their sexuality, to be the window dressing on women's walls, notebooks and now phones ? This image going as far back to the 50's with men gyrating their hips to screaming girl fans.
Why the double standard?
"And that Jared Leto comment... not to be immature, but BRAIN BLEACH PLEASE.
~Kasu"
Yeah sorry after I typed it it kinda made me ill too. LOL!
What's so wrong with just being a performer? Admitting your strengths and weaknesses? I really don't see her selling her body. Flashing her panties, come on people? If somebody like Jared Leto came out nude or flashed his panties on stage would you have the same opinion?
I would have no problem with Lindsey just being a "performer" if she wasn't setting herself up to be a role model for young girls. I think it is a dangerous message to tell them that they don't need to be good at playing an instrument if they are supposedly playing an instrument in a band. It's like saying that being mediocre is okay. It seems to me like there is enough mediocrity in the world without someone like her encouraging more of it.
As for Jared Leto, whether you like 30stm or not, the man is actually talented. And while I don't mind seeing him without a shirt, I don't really have any desire to see his private parts nor his underwear.
"The problem I have with "panty-flashing" is that she claims to be a good role model. It's like when little girls try to act like Britney Spears."
I am not sure if Lynz has ever claimed to be a role model just a feminists?
Then why is it OK in our society for men with very little talent to project their sexuality, to be the window dressing on women's walls, notebooks and now phones ? This image going as far back to the 50's with men gyrating their hips to screaming girl fans.
The difference here is that these guys aren't telling young boys to go out and do what they do. They never did a magazine article where they said, "Hey guys, forget about getting an education or actually learning to play an instrument. Just go onstage and shake what you got and you'll have it made."
"I would have no problem with Lindsey just being a "performer" if she wasn't setting herself up to be a role model for young girls. I think it is a dangerous message to tell them that they don't need to be good at playing an instrument if they are supposedly playing an instrument in a band. It's like saying that being mediocre is okay. It seems to me like there is enough mediocrity in the world without someone like her encouraging more of it.
As for Jared Leto, whether you like 30stm or not, the man is actually talented. And while I don't mind seeing him without a shirt, I don't really have any desire to see his private parts nor his underwear."
Understood, but just because you are in a band or marry a guy in a band does not mean you want to take on being a "role model". Some people are just artists and are Transgressive & subversive by nature, not role models. (both men & women)
I am not sure if Lynz has ever claimed to be a role model just a feminists?
I believe she did claim that...either in the Kerrang article or the TasteitTV interview. Maybe both.
"The difference here is that these guys aren't telling young boys to go out and do what they do. They never did a magazine article where they said, "Hey guys, forget about getting an education or actually learning to play an instrument. Just go onstage and shake what you got and you'll have it made."
I'm sure some have! I'm not familiar with this article everybody is quoting. Honestly what she said just doesn't seem to irk me the way it does people here.
1) Lyn-Z has spoken openly in Kerrang about being a 'role model' for women who want to be in the rock music industry.
2) I have yet to hear one of these commenters who knows so much about feminism and seems convinced that we should cut Lyn-Z some slack explain why it's credible for her to perform in a band that promotes violence against women, the sexual and physical abuse of children, and racist language.
For me as well as many others, this has nothing to do with how she chooses to dress or what she chooses to call herself or how many friends she has that might be postive feminist icons. I don't give a shit about any of that. MSI is the issue, and she is part of MSI.
You can't ignore that fact and I really doubt anyone can come up with a reason why Lyn-Z should be let off the hook for promoting what in my country would have her locked up if she promoted it from behind the cover of her bass guitar. She's part of an outspoken, even proud, group of racist and sexist idiot. That makes her little more than scum in my book.
this is gonna sound incredibly weird.... especially after this good conversation going on but does anyone know how to unmat a stuffed animals fur? Cause my mom's suggestion of using a fork to comb them out is not working
*if she promoted it after stepping out from behind the cover of her bass guitar, I should say.
happy, can you use some water and conditioner? Massage a little bit into the clump of hair and gently work the knots out a little at a time from the very end of the hair and eventually back to the roots.
thanks 10.10 i figured with the diversity of old and young and diffrent countries someone might know a good way
For me as well as many others, this has nothing to do with how she chooses to dress or what she chooses to call herself or how many friends she has that might be postive feminist icons. I don't give a shit about any of that. MSI is the issue, and she is part of MSI.
This.
I have no problem with Lindsey as she presents herself on Twitter. People have said that she's a lovely person, very personable, etc. That is all very well and good and if that's all I knew about her, then I would be fine with her.
It's MSI that I have a problem with and Lindsey is a member of MSI. Not only that, but she went around to magazines spouting off about being a role model to young girls because she's in that band. I'm not okay with any of that.
Maybe now she's trying to become a respected artist and that's great. I wish her all the luck in the world, but until she renounces the things she said about being in MSI making her role model material, I won't have much respect for her.
I get the feeling Lindsay would defend her role in MSI as a statement 'for the greater good' of women. Sure, she needs to be in a band that throws the word N*gger around in order to have an impact, but that's a small price to pay for having a woman up there projecting some Girl Power!
Oh, what's that? Something about two hooker and an eightball?
It's MSI that I have a problem with and Lindsey is a member of MSI. Not only that, but she went around to magazines spouting off about being a role model to young girls because she's in that band. I'm not okay with any of that.
Thing is, I don't think she ever tried to present herself as a role model before she married Gerard.
Could be that's because she never got any real press before she married Gerard, but I think she was being coached by Gerard to say those things. Being a "role model" was never an MSI thing. It was always MCR's thing.
On violence: I think the points some folks are missing are the types of violence we're talking about here. There's slapstick violence, in which it's implied that no one's really getting hurt. There's "Funniest Home Videos" violence, in which we laugh at people who are getting hurt, sometimes by other folks, but there's no malice involved there, no ill intent.
There's violence among friends, and i say this as a martial artist in a male-dominated field. Guys punch me in the face regularly. I punch them back. One broke my ribs, and another, way bigger than me, fractured my arm. Before and after sparring, we bow to each other. "Everything we do here is play. If I hurt you, it's an accident and I mean no disrespect." Only twice has that gone wrong, and that made the entire situation wrong. And yes, I was angry, offended, and took it as "real" violence, the wrong kind.
Still, all of this is quite different from a generally out of control, unmindful douchebag punching someone else.
Maybe it's sexist to think that it's specifically more wrong for a man to hit a woman--good point there Kasu--and I can appreciate at that as someone who doesn't want to be babied and coddled when I spar with a man.
BUT. Violence against women is prevalent, and always has been. It existed thousands of years ago, continues to exist, and will probably continue to exist. Yes, men fight with each other, women fight with each other. But no violence is more prevalent and more insidious than men committing violence against women.
So, huge difference.
I want to add:
2) I have yet to hear one of these commenters who knows so much about feminism and seems convinced that we should cut Lyn-Z some slack explain why it's credible for her to perform in a band that promotes violence against women, the sexual and physical abuse of children, and racist language.
THIS, a thousand times, THIS.
You can call it what you like: "Satire" or "shock value" (even though MSI have alternately embraced and denied this,) but I'm not buying any of that. The name of the band actually sums up their existence quite well, and they've proudly displayed the fact that they sing lyrics like that just 'cause.
There's no excuse for it, and certainly there's absolutely no justification for Lindsey to be flying the flag of feminism over lyrics like that.
Well, the Third-Wave-Feminism that I experience here in Germany is just an attempt to not appear threatening or unsexy to men. Because there's nothing worse in the world for a woman than being unfuckable, right?
That's why we're always bombarded by fucking stupid comments of fucking stupid airheads who consider us fat and ugly because for them the worst thing that can happen in a woman's life is that no man wants them sexually.
To them that's the purpose of a woman. To be desired by men.
The German word 'Emanze' which origins from the word 'Emanzipation' is a slur for many young girls and women here in Germany. Most of them don't want to hear anything about emancipation and feminism, respectively. They more than eagerly love to benefit from what the Suffragettes and any other female rights movement has done for them but the hell they want to be associated with them.
To me Third-Wave-Feminism means that those women who are part of it only want to cut corners. They benefit from what feminists all over the world have fought for but they don't want to annoy or lecture men with the I'm still not satisfied, that's not enough, I want more rights, I want equality!-speech and don't want to be seen as the party pooper who destroys the fun when being among men by having to bring it to their attention all the time that the sexist jokes they just made and laughed at are not funny but misogynistic and offending. Instead, they laugh with them because it's easier that way.
Or they even declare the word cunt as a term of endearment and state that it doesn't hurt them anymore by doing that and that they're taking it back (from where I might ask?) and that they're not at all offended by men who call them that word. The key word being THEM! The thing is that there are also a lot of other women in the world who don't see themselves as a part of the Third-Wave-Feminism and don't see that word as a term of endearment at all and thus don't benefit from it when Third-Wave-Feminists use it in their songs to indicate to men that they're not as humorless and taxing and unfuckable and threatening to a men's masculinity as they feared a feminist would be.
And that defeats the purpose of what any wave of feminism should do.
ALL women should benefit from it!
To me it just seems that the kind of feminism Lindsey or this Jessicka Addams are representing has the only purpose of men still having the convenience to stay as sexist and misogynistic as they are and that they don't have to be afraid that they might have to adjust their life and behavior to anything else than the life and behavior they and their fathers and grandfathers were used to.
Because, as ever, women are adjusting their life and behavior to them.
^That.
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I've got half a mind to go down to Lindsay's 'art show', since I'm within a twenty minute drive of where it's being held, and maybe leave some of my own 'art' alongside hers. Mine are going to be screenprints of all the disgusting racist and sexist lyrics that she plays the bass along to. All the nice songs about children being raped and young girls being exploited by rockstars and whores doing drugs: you know, all the really ~empowering stuff she helps promote.
Wonder what the idiot would do then?
Haters gonna hate, Linds. You really will reap what you sow.
you got the first part right: you've got half a mind allright
if you had half the guts that it takes to be in a hard core rock band like she is you would actually take your art and show her instead of bleating about her anonymously on the internet
Oh yeah, I'm sure it takes 'real guts' to be in a 'hard core rock band' made up of white people who preach dumb racist attitudes to even dumber white teenagers. She's a real hardass, is Lindsay.
By that same logic 12.40, if Lyn-Z had 'the guts' to tell black people what she and her band think of them (apparently they're 'Niggers' to her) then she'd stop mocking them in her shitty racist band with a fanbase that's 99% white, and go down to South Central and tell them all what she thinks they should be called. To their faces.
I won't offer to help Gerard scrape what's left of her off the tarmac, because after re-recording his album for the tenth time this week, he probably needs a welcome break from the studio.
Ronnie James Dio has died. :( Suck.
Who? And here's one thing: MCR may be royally sucking now, but they do have one redeeming quality (besides what I choose to believe is still in their hearts): Is there a problem with their lyrics? No, not that I can see. They may be "wangsty", but that's NOTHING when compared to Lyn-Z's and MSI's lyrics. And no, Lyn-Z was always trying to be a "role model" but that term in "alternative" music is just much more associated with MCR and Gerard.
~Kasu
Ronnie James Dio has died. :( Suck.
Oh wow. That does suck.
RIP, Rock Legend.
" Ronnie James Dio has died. :( Suck.
May 16, 2010 1:32 PM
Anonymous kasuchans said...
Who?"
Now that's sad.
no, dont think Lyn-Z needs to go and talk to those people, because she is different to YOU. She has a life and doesn't spend her time anonymously dissing people on the internet
seriously, you folk sum up the word Venom
OMG RONNIE JAMES DIO!!!
I can be serious. Scarling. a shoegaze band is absolutely nothing like MSI. And Jack Off Jill from the 90's is more akin to Babes In Toyland, L7, Bikini Kill, and 7 Year Bitch ( all bands you might want to check out if you are not familiar) All with brash grrl positive messages. There's nothing racist or misogynist about her bands.
That's my point really, a lot of are making weird assumptions without having any facts/knowledge to back it up
Okay.
"CumDumpster"
C-c-c-c-call me cumdumpster
C-c-c-c-call me a cunt
C-c-c-call me clever Is that still ok
D-d-d-d-did you watch the TV
Or hear it on the radio
Watch out for afteschool specials
Are we still ok
Well Ok
You call, and I'll answer
Make me understand
Why I have to hate you
That's quite ok
C-c-c-c-cumdumpster
C-c-c-c-cunt
C-c-c-call me clever
Is that still ok
D-d-d-d-did you tap the payphone
Or read it in a magazine
Becoming afterschool specials
Are we still ok
Well ok
You call, I'll answer
Make me understand
Why I have to hate you
That's quite ok
C-c-c-c-cumdumpster
C-c-c-c-cunt
C-c-c-call me clever
Is that still ok
D-d-d-d-do you still need me
Now that I'm a monster
Paranoid media frenzy
Tells me I'm ok
You call, I'll answer
Make me understand
How I have to hate you
That's quite ok
You call, and I'll answer
You'll ask and I'll lie
As I grow to hate you
That's quite ok
Quite OK
"Nazi Halo"
Take a souvenir and stop your staring
Just cause I'm screaming
Don't mean I'm sharing
Can't keep my mouth shut
if you keep that dress on
You can't negotiate
Not with me this time
you go so low
your faggot rainbow
your Nazi Halo
won't save you this time
Bring your IQ and try to understand
Just cause I'm listening
Don't mean we're still friends
Can't fix my problem
You crossed a thin line
You can't just work it out
not with me this time
you go so low
your faggot rainbow
your junkie ego
won't save you this time
you go so low
your tragic disco
your Nazi Halo
won't save you this time
You're so predictable no shadow of doubt
when you are suffering know who sold you out
Fuck your opinions
Fuck your lack of spine
When you are miserable
Know that I'm just fine
You go solo
your faggot rainbow
your junkie ego
won't save you this time
you go solo
your tragic disco
your Nazi Halo
won't save you this time
no, dont think Lyn-Z needs to go and talk to those people, because she is different to YOU. She has a life and doesn't spend her time anonymously dissing people on the internet
No she only insults people in print insinuating they are a certain size and eat crisps.
I have no idea how once again this has turned into a Lynz bashing session.
Some people don't like Lindsey and they are entitled. As long as they keep the negativity directed towards MSI and Lindsey trying to pass herself off as a role model, I don't see a problem.
It's the bashing her looks or making undue speculations about her mothering capabilities that many of us have problems with.
Last time I looked, this blog was not a Lyn-Z fanclub.
If you want to read about what a wonderful person and feminist she is, I suggest that "Bass Princess" website.
"Or they even declare the word cunt as a term of endearment and state that it doesn't hurt them anymore by doing that and that they're taking it back (from where I might ask?) and that they're not at all offended by men who call them that word. The key word being THEM! "
Reclaiming derogatory terms such as spinster, bitch, whore, and cunt continue to be used in derogatory ways about women. Third-wave feminists believe it is better to change the meaning of a sexist word than to censor it from speech.
Part of taking back the word bitch was fueled by the 1992 single, "All Women Are Bitches" by the all woman band Fifth Column and, later, by the 1999 book Bitch: In Praise of Difficult Women by Elizabeth Wurtzel. In the successful declaration of the word bitch, Wurtzel introduces her philosophy: "I intend to scream, shout, race the engine, call when I feel like it, and confess intimate details about my life to complete strangers. I intend to do what I want to do and be whom I want to be and answer only to myself: that is, quite simply, the bitch philosophy."
It seems to me there's something else going on, too. In a larger sense, "cunt" should equal "dick" in our culture because "woman" should be equal to "man." Why is it not? This is also why "nigger" remains more offensive than "cracker." And as long as women are the second sex and African-Americans are the second race, slurs that target these groups will have greater power. Some will surely say that our growing acceptance of the term, in its pejorative sense, is just another sign that feminism, too exhausted to fight the rising tide of anti-woman hate speech, is dead. But I am willing to entertain the idea that the proliferation of the C word, on the pages of British publications (and on American premium cable), may also be a side effect of greater gender equity. I, for one, look forward to the day when I can use both "cunt" and "dick" with impunity. And that's not just because I'm a "bitch."
"I've got half a mind to go down to Lindsay's 'art show', since I'm within a twenty minute drive of where it's being held, and maybe leave some of my own 'art' alongside hers. Mine are going to be screenprints of all the disgusting racist and sexist lyrics that she plays the bass along to. All the nice songs about children being raped and young girls being exploited by rockstars and whores doing drugs: you know, all the really ~empowering stuff she helps promote."
Sorry but not one of you have the guts to do this. That would actually be the most third wave feminist approach/thing you could do, but I know how you don't identify as such here.
Every single one of you goddamn bitches ain't never gonna give me no love
I'm telling you every single one of you goddamn bitches ain't never gonna give me no love
Every little thing you do - rock my
Every little thing you do - fucking hole
Little teenage, bitch! [x4]
If you're so smart, explain this Clarissa - pow
Explain this
Clarissa, Clarissa, Clarissa
Die, die, die!
Explain this
Clarissa, Clarissa
Every single one of you goddamn bitches ain't never gonna give me no love
I'm telling you every single one of you goddamn bitches ain't never gonna give me no love
Every little thing you do - rock my
Every little thing you do - fucking hole
Little teenage bitch! [x4]
You're so smart [x3]
Explain this Clarissa, Clarissa, Clarissa pow pow pow
Come hold me Ferguson - come on and ride me now
Come hold me Ferguson - Well I said I got nothing
Come hold me Ferguson
Come hold me Ferguson
Come hold me Ferguson
Come on come on come on ride it ride it pow
Explain this Clarissa, Clarissa, Clarissa, die die die
Explain this Clarissa, Clarissa, Clarissa, die die die
Explain this Clarissa, Clarissa, Clarissa, die die die
Okay, so this lovely MSI song doesn't use the word "Cunt", but it does use the term "Goddamn bitches" and "fucking hole".
With the way these terms are used in the context of the song, will you please explain to me how MSI is "taking them back" for women?
I imagine that 5 year Old Panty Shot is MSI's way of trying to take back the sexuality of five year old girls too.
"City Noise"
Another crowded dance floor
Another empty glass
Another failed hello
It's your alibi
Another splendid lie
It's the bruises that you can't show
It's another lonely sunset
Another starless sky
The nervousness inside
It's the final kiss from a lover's fist
It's the reason why you can't cry
It's a violent reaction
The mixtape in your heart
The answer you should know
How we complicate, a simple mistake
It's the face you make when I go
And we tried to change
The city noise made us strange
So we plugged our ears and learned to fight
We set the stage but we could not engage so we cut all ties by candlelight
Another deep depression
The calm before the storm
The shaking in your head
How you sacrificed - how you paid the price
All the words you wish you had said
It's the rawest of emotions
Drinking to forget - names written in the snow
It's the anxious feel - purging your last meal
It's the secret that you can't know
And we tried to change
The city noise made us strange
So we plugged our ears and learned to fight
We set the stage but we could not engage so we cut all ties by candlelight
????
I don't really see how Jessicka Addams and Scarling or Jack Off Jill is really relevant to Lindsey or MSI.
Sure, Lindsey is friends with her. So what? Jessicka could be the Surgeon General and it wouldn't change my opinion of Lindsey or MSI.
"I don't really see how Jessicka Addams and Scarling or Jack Off Jill is really relevant to Lindsey or MSI.
Sure, Lindsey is friends with her. So what? Jessicka could be the Surgeon General and it wouldn't change my opinion of Lindsey or MSI."
I agree. It seems that if Lindsey has anything to do with it here people will automatically hate or attack.
Sure, Lindsey is friends with her. So what? Jessicka could be the Surgeon General and it wouldn't change my opinion of Lindsey or MSI.
Exactly, who gives a shit? Not me.
Third wave feminism is a crock.
"I've got half a mind to go down to Lindsay's 'art show', since I'm within a twenty minute drive of where it's being held, and maybe leave some of my own 'art' alongside hers. Mine are going to be screenprints of all the disgusting racist and sexist lyrics that she plays the bass along to. All the nice songs about children being raped and young girls being exploited by rockstars and whores doing drugs: you know, all the really ~empowering stuff she helps promote."
Sorry but not one of you have the guts to do this. That would actually be the most third wave feminist approach/thing you could do, but I know how you don't identify as such here.
Why don't you do something gutsy and stop defending this poor excuse of a performer all the time.
I have no idea how once again this has turned into a Lynz bashing session.
This woman is judged on the same level as her husband. Namely for her hypocrisy. In the name of equality.
I don't really see how Jessicka Addams and Scarling or Jack Off Jill is really relevant to Lindsey or MSI.
I think she is just as relevant as Lindsey is to Gerard and MCR.
I think she is just as relevant as Lindsey is to Gerard and MCR.
???
Gerard and Lindsey are married. And MCR took MSI on tour with them.
Hello.
What has his marriage got to do with his band. He could have kept his wife's band and their style out of MCR's. In other words he fully supports his wife and her band because they a like-minded.
**are
If Lyn-Z never opened her mouth about being a so called 'role model' no one would be discussing her on this blog only talking about her hypocritical dumbass husband.
When MCR made the ~brilliant~ decision to support MSI by taking them out on tour with them immediately following Gerard's marriage they cemented the connection between the two bands.
If they had been smart, MCR could have kept the two bands (as well as Gerard's personal and professional life) separated, but all of that went out the window with that European tour.
Like it or not, the MCR and MSI will forever be linked in the minds of a lot of fans now.
Oh, who could forgotten his 'honeymoon' tour?
If they had been smart, MCR could have kept the two bands (as well as Gerard's personal and professional life) separated, but all of that went out the window with that European tour.
He probably sees his wife and her band as some sort of trailblazers on the punk scene.
He probably sees his wife and her band as some sort of trailblazers on the punk scene.
Well why wouldn't he. After all, according to Lindsey, MSI is the only punk band out there.
I still can't believe she actually said that. Girl's got a lot of nerve. Or maybe she's just hella stupid.
Then I would say his deep infatuation with his wife is clouding his perception of reality.
I still can't believe she actually said that. Girl's got a lot of nerve. Or maybe she's just hella stupid.
Or maybe she just talks a load of shit like her hubby.
After all, according to Lindsey, MSI is the only punk band out there.
I wonder what other punk bands would say to that. Sounds very similar to Gerard's We're the best band in the world comment.
now i'm not sure who gets it from whom, if gerard picked it up from lynz or vice versa.
It doesn't matter who it emanates from it shows, as an anon mentioned previously, that they are similar in thinking style.
which means not much thinking at all.
I think it means they are well suited to each other.
May 16, 2010 12:20 PM - You are a true artist. You should just send them to Watson anonymously.
We all should.
Lindsey and Gerard are perfect for each other.
Reclaiming derogatory terms such as spinster, bitch, whore, and cunt continue to be used in derogatory ways about women. Third-wave feminists believe it is better to change the meaning of a sexist word than to censor it from speech.
Part of taking back the word bitch was fueled by the 1992 single, "All Women Are Bitches" by the all woman band Fifth Column and, later, by the 1999 book Bitch: In Praise of Difficult Women by Elizabeth Wurtzel. In the successful declaration of the word bitch, Wurtzel introduces her philosophy: "I intend to scream, shout, race the engine, call when I feel like it, and confess intimate details about my life to complete strangers. I intend to do what I want to do and be whom I want to be and answer only to myself: that is, quite simply, the bitch philosophy."
It seems to me there's something else going on, too. In a larger sense, "cunt" should equal "dick" in our culture because "woman" should be equal to "man." Why is it not? This is also why "nigger" remains more offensive than "cracker." And as long as women are the second sex and African-Americans are the second race, slurs that target these groups will have greater power. Some will surely say that our growing acceptance of the term, in its pejorative sense, is just another sign that feminism, too exhausted to fight the rising tide of anti-woman hate speech, is dead. But I am willing to entertain the idea that the proliferation of the C word, on the pages of British publications (and on American premium cable), may also be a side effect of greater gender equity. I, for one, look forward to the day when I can use both "cunt" and "dick" with impunity. And that's not just because I'm a "bitch."
Yeah, well, to me it all sounds like if you can't fight it, join it and I'm not gonna intend to do that!
Cunt has always been a derogatory word which was invented to hurt, offend and degrade women, whereas dick is a word men use to describe their genital Oh man, my dick is huge. Dude, that bitch sucked my dick hard last night, har, har, har! etc. etc. I don't think that many women refer to their genital as cunt and why should they?
Why do we always need to adjust to the situation?
Dick might be used as a slur but I doubt that men give a damn if they get called it or are even hurt by it.
So you can't really compare those two words.
Just like I said, for men everything will stay as it was. And we are the ones who have to call ourselves and other women cunts and bitches?
MY ASS!!!
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Just like I said, for men everything will stay as it was. And we are the ones who have to call ourselves and other women cunts and bitches?"
Didn't YOU, at Mayo's? Hypocrite.
Didn't YOU, at Mayo's? Hypocrite.
Liar.
Unless you've confused someone else with Amy.
Or that creepy girl Wendy.
Kapunua
I just wanted to thank you for the link to 'The Girl Effect'.
So simple but so effective.
Thanks:)
Or that psycho Mya.
Or that piece of shit MJ.
Blah, blah.
Nobody cares about that stupid excuse for a blog anymore nor the people who post there.
Thanks, Nice Anon! :) Answered you. ^_^ Very nice to see you.
"Or that psycho Mya.
Or that piece of shit MJ."
Mayo troll trying to start trouble. Go away again.
Then, about two weeks ago, I find someone ranting about this site.
Kasu,
Please be honest. You've been reading here and other sites a lot longer, yes?
Kapunua don't forget you were once a part of that place. Almost everyday for a couple of years. You were also very fond of Mayo and you still are. Why do you still lurk that cesspit?
Lindsey and Gerard are perfect for each other.
No argument there. Also perfectly matched in stupidity and massive egos.
He is definitely not stupid 1:53.
I would say he probably suppresses it to fit in with the people he chooses to surround himself with.
There are different types of stupid. You can be abudant in common sense but intellectually stupid and vice versa. I don't believe Gerard has much common sense if those are the people he choses to surround himself with. However, on the flip side of that intellectually I think he is quite bright.
I don't even believe that Gerard is intellectually smart. I think he probably would like for people to think he is, and I think he goes out of his way to try and appear smart sometimes.
But the fact that he seems pretty ignorant and opinionless when it comes to politics and current issues (not to mention the lack of dignity or class with which he comports himself) leads me to believe that his base of knowledge is largely confined to pop culture. I've never really heard him speak in depth about any subject other than comic books, D&D type games, or bands who have "influenced" him.
He may be a nerd, but that doesn't mean he's a smart nerd.
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