Recently we've had some trouble with a troll from a certain other blog, and people have been asking me to disable anon comments or install a tracker. I haven't even had a tracker or disabled anons. Anons are an important part of this blog because not everyone wants to use a name. And I try to respect everyone's privacy so I really don't want to use a tracker.
I think we need to ignore trolls from that blog. We have faced worse trolls before, from BN and other places such as that. Places like that are mostly the same, BN, 4Chan, that other blog, and they churn out mostly the same kind of people. When you ignore them they go away.
The "I think you're bothering someone I know" ploy is lame and probably false. If their blog is having a problem, then it's not our fault or our problem. That place has always been a train-wreck, all of a sudden someone wants to blame it on the folks here.
"I WILL DISRUPT YOU!!!!!1111111111trolltroll"
OH NO! Disrupt us, really? You're going to come in here and say mean things to people? Oh no please don't, whatever will we do.
Ignore it and it will go away. And if it doesn't go away - ignore it anyway. :)
We've had worse trolls than this one so hang in there guys. :)
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Fuck off, crazy-pants. Seriously, if that your best retort just fuck-off you fucking troll.
(Maybe I should call you Pillow-pants instead. But once you name it you have to feed it and once you feed it you can never get rid of it. You know, like a rash.)"
I think you're a troll. I'm pretty sure this is that "reverse troll psychology" to try to make this blog look like a bunch of insane haters. You're likely one of the biggest fangirls there is, probably from BN or from that other place.
Reasonable anon, welcome.
I think the Avenging Troll never really left, and is trying to stir things up here by pretending to hate the band and hate anons who don't agree with everything they say.
I also think it's the same person yelling about "BECOME A LESBIAN OR DISTURBED" etc.
You don't have to look too deeply to see a failed ploy.
I think you're a troll. I'm pretty sure this is that "reverse troll psychology" to try to make this blog look like a bunch of insane haters. You're likely one of the biggest fangirls there is, probably from BN or from that other place.
Sorry to say, I think so too.
Just because somebody comes here with a different opinion, it doesn't automatically brand them a "troll."
What makes you look like a troll is when you start attacking people for no good reason.
The name-calling and lack of acceptance of other opinions makes us all look bad.
Exactly; and that's the idea.
Secondly, just because people have busy lifestyles, it doesn't mean that they can't be decent parents.
Tell me how is this any different to your normal everyday parents who go the work everyday? If anything they (Lynz & G )must have more time. They're not touring and doesn't he record in the same city he lives?
I don't know why Susan would grow up resenting her parents?
I think that she will grow up by assimilating the very faux feminist mindset of her parents not realizing how wrong and stupid it is.
Maybe - if she's lucky - she will get to know people in her life with an actual brain who'll teach her otherwise but it could be very likely that she will grow up in an environment where all the people she associates with are just as stupid and delusional like her parents (f. e. Pisspot, Chantal, Jessica Addams (<- how original) etc.) and thus she won't have a chance to learn what real feminism is about.
I don't know why Susan would grow up resenting her parents?
Many kids grow up resenting their parents. Look at F. Bean. Even though she wants to embrace her own brand of rock n roll lifestyle with idiots like Pisspot and Auntie Chantal, she still doesn't want to live with that loon of a mother.
And if my parents had named me Bandit, I certainly would have grown up resenting them.
Secondly, just because people have busy lifestyles, it doesn't mean that they can't be decent parents.
Tell me how is this any different to your normal everyday parents who go the work everyday?
It's not.
Nearly everyone's parents work and they have to juggle parenthood with busy work schedules.
She might resent them for some reason but that doesn't have to be the reason people here are assuming.
When you're getting brainwashed by your parents your whole childhood through it might be really hard for you to realize that the way they acted and what they did or think is wrong.
I don't think that she will resent her mother for being or having been a member of MSI. I also don't think that she will resent her father for being or having been a member of MCR because they and her surrounding will teach her that the things they said and did while being in those bands were right.
We also don't know why the Beanhead left her mother. It doesn't have to be because her mother is an embarrassing loon but because of other things. Money could be a reason.
Well, Kasu here thinks that she'd much rather live with a "girl of a dad" (didn't the Olympics JW debacle teach you ANYTHING about gender jokes?!) than a drugged-out skank of a mom. At least he HAD good opinions once (LOTMS).
Also, Kasu wishes she had been named Bandit. Trust me, many kids would love it.
How do you know what Kasu thinks?
Your comments don't make any sense.
I know what Kasu thinks because Kasu is me, but my computer is only letting me post as anonymous. I'm not schizo like the zoidster.
~Kasu
its funny that you said susan when thats what they named the dog...
ded. and now youre all eating each other.
ded. and now youre all eating each other.
That's what you would like people to think, right Troll?
You're so transparent. It's laughable.
Why do you even respond to this idiot's comments? Let them talk to themselves.
I'm sure a lot of kids would have liked to be named Zowie Bowie back in the day too -- in theory, anyway.
Only Duncan Jones (the kid who actually got saddled with that ridiculous moniker) didn't think it was all that cool.
Um, if my parents had named me Bandit, I think I would have run away from home.
No kidding. Bandit's a dog's name. Or a raccoon. It's not a name for a little girl and it's certainly not a name for a woman.
has anyone been following Brian and Worm on Twitter... Worm's trying to get a hold of frank and Brian is apparently Worm's daughter's godfather
Well, I (aka Kasu) would actually have enjoyed being named Bandit. I have wished for ages that my name was Vladimir or Blaise. And I'm a girl. So, y'know, YMMV.
On another subject, surprise surprise, this blog is actually NOT a bash-MCR blog. It's a blog for those who like them in general, but feel that they have gotten really hypocritical and douchey. Not for bashing.
Things are weird in the MCR camp for sure, either they're cutting off ties with some people or Brian's back in the loop from the look of it.
http://twitter.com/bigwormy/status/13922757256
"every number i get from people doesnt work"
Maybe Worm just wants to congratulate Frank on his twins?
And I still don't see Brian talking to any of the MCR guys. Worm and Cortez were just the hired help.
the point isnt that worm is trying to connect to them. the point is that he used to be able to text gerard anytime he felt like.
Ah, okay.
Gerard is being weird, I'll give you that. His twitters of late have sounded strange, even for him.
And he tweeted Happy Weekend to Lindsey a while back, but no Happy Mother's Day? And nothing about Bandit learning to walk.
I mean, either he puts his personal shit on his twitter or not. His random ass shit makes no sense.
I really do think he's having a breakdown.
Maybe his inability to finish this record is pushing him over the edge...
Not that he had all that far to go.
Isn't Worm on good terms with Lindsey? Why doesn't he just ask her for Frank's number?
Maybe Lindsey's not on good terms with Frank.
i dunno. didnt worm used to follow lynz?
cause hes not now...
I think Gerard pretends to be friends with a lot of people but then one day they wake up and he's no longer in the picture.
In a lot of those cases we never find out what happened just that "it was their fault"...
the point isnt that worm is trying to connect to them. the point is that he used to be able to text gerard anytime he felt like.
And who's stopping him. Mrs Skanky Way?
Yeah, Worm used to follow Lindsey. They talked a few times about him coming to visit when he was in LA.
Maybe the visit didn't go so well.
Lindsey is still following Worm, but Worm isn't following Lindsey. Maybe Gerard did something to piss Worm off?
My guess is he yelled at him for saying that he liked The Used. After all Worm said that he couldn't say that when he was working for MCR.
Could Gerard really be that much of a diva?
Wow, I can't believe Gerard is talking about how "Heroes ripped off White Violin" with that character who could destroy things with her cello music.
Like that arrogant little prick hasn't ripped off anybody ever.
Somebody should tweet him and remind him of how he ripped off that scene from South Park with the Lincoln Monument.
Could Gerard really be that much of a diva?
Rhetorical question right?
He's talking about ripping off? Is he saying someone ripped off his crappy comic that only MCR fans like?
I have one hyphenated word for that assheaded rodeo clown: "X-MEN."
Damn fool.
Okay, I'm sure Jeff Watson used to be following the official MCR twitter. I can't see it on his follow list anymore.
"
I have one hyphenated word for that assheaded rodeo clown: "X-MEN.""
That's not a good argument because if you think about it all hero stories are the same thing. You just have to do an original take on them. And Gerard did.
He got published and you didn't, isn't that the problem?
if you think about it all hero stories are the same thing. You just have to do an original take on them. And Gerard did.
Nothing Gerard has ever done has been original. And if you think he could have gotten his stupid little story published had he not already been famous, you're kidding yourself.
I think he could have gotten it published - it's interesting. And no, not all Group of Superhero stories are alike.
And remember? This is NOT a "Let's bash Gerard Way" site. It's a "let's bash the way Gerard's been acting" site. Personal attacks are NOT COOL.
Just sayin'
~Kasu
This is a 'say whatever you like' site. Last time I looked there weren't any rules.
If you come in here personally attacking the commenters, you'll get shit for it, but if someone wants to say that Gerard's comic was shitty, they'll say it's shitty. FYI, that's not a personal attack.
And by the way, Gerard's comic is shitty.
Just sayin'.
Who is Kasu, and why's she makin' rules?
Gerard's comic sucked. And no, it's not about getting published. Anyone with clout can put out a book - anyone publishers know will sell. Gerard with his teeny following is a sure thing. It's about money.
And not all super hero stories are alike, duh. His crap comic? Let's see. A group of mutant misfits with speshul powerz were semi-adopted by a mysterious old guy and now they're a team who uses their speshul mutant powerz to fight bad guys? Yeah, I haven't heard that one anywhere before.
I invoke Marvel comics, who also has a group of superheros with an entirely different plot from The X-Men, uhh sorry, Umbrella Academy. Heard of a little movie called Iron Man?
Well then.
I think that yes, it's all fine and dandy to say how much of a DIVA Gerard is being, or how the zoid is acting like an irresponsible wife an mother. But saying things about them AS PEOPLE, when this is all just Wild Mass Guessing, is inccredibly immature and rude. Speculate, but don't talk llike you know them.
Also, YMMV, but I genuinely liked TUA. I thought it was off-beat in a Jhonen Vasquez way, but more applicaple to modern life.
Just sayin'
~Kasu
Kasu ain't makin' rules, honeybunches, she's PLAYING FAIR. I suggest you trying it sometime.
PS - What, like orphans and superpowers can't be combined without someone crying PLAGIARY?!
I think that yes, it's all fine and dandy to say how much of a DIVA Gerard is being, or how the zoid is acting like an irresponsible wife an mother. But saying things about them AS PEOPLE, when this is all just Wild Mass Guessing, is inccredibly immature and rude. Speculate, but don't talk llike you know them.
Are you joking?
Because to me, it seems like your judgments of whether or not Lindsey is a good mother is talking like you know her. I would call that immature and rude.
Whereas saying that Gerard's comic sucked is an opinion on his work and NOT a personal attack.
If you liked his comic that's fine. Apparently you weren't the only one. But I know lots of people who didn't and I'm one of them.
I think that yes, it's all fine and dandy to say how much of a DIVA Gerard is being, or how the zoid is acting like an irresponsible wife an mother. But saying things about them AS PEOPLE, when this is all just Wild Mass Guessing,
Wait. So saying she's an irresponsible wife and mother isn't guessing, and says nothing about her as a person?
LOL. Logic, please?
You have a case of "if I think it's right, it is, but if I think you're wrong, you are."
And, yeah, sorry, but you're not the boss o' this blog.
As for the anon who thinks I'm her "honeybunches" why don't you come here and give me a big kiss, lovemuffin?
By the way no one said it was plagiarism. Just a rip-off.
But then, the stupid Black Parade was like Pink Floyd lite, soooo...
Yeah, Gerard doesn't have an original idea in his head.
Pink Floyd lite, huh? Well, more original than Queen or Green Day for a comparison... Anyhow, sorry if I'm offending anyone. I just want to have a place to rant without personal attacks. And, last time I checked, I was stating she COULD be an irresponsible wife and mother for two reasons:
1 - Drugs
2 - Alcohol
Neither of which are good to have in a house with an (possible) ex-alcoholic/druggie and a small and now-mobile child.
And not an original bone in his body? Since when is making out on stage NOT original?
No, but yeah, I see your point. I'm saying that just because something is "heavily inspired" doesn't make it bad. And Three Cheers and Bullets were original, but those were back in the glory days, So Yeah...
Not trying to offend
~Kasu
Which is also speculation. But I guess your speculation is special.
And not an original bone in his body? Since when is making out on stage NOT original?
Umm since the 70s when Devid Bowie and Mick Ronson did it? Since Shakespeare when men always kissed men on stage?
Not trying to offend
Then stop trying to school everyone in what is "right" to say here and what isn't.
I'd also like to add that Kurt Cobain made out with his bandmembers on stage, as did Eddie Vedder and Chris Cornell. If you're, like, looking for more recent examples than the 70s.
Not to mention, "Frerard" is a blatant ripoff of Pete and Carl of the Libertines.
Oh, that doesn't look familiar at all.
WOW. I guess that didn't happen either.
Surely Gerard is the first one to do that.
I feel lame, I don't know anything about the Libertines. :)
Ahh, the nineties.
They're British. Back in the day there was tons of fanfic written about them.
Seriously, you would have thought the two of them were in love from pictures and their onstage antics. Even the lyrics of their songs.
"Stage Gay" goes way back.
"glory days"
pfft
Okay, for some reason they got rid of my sarcasm tag. It was at the end of the "stagegay is SO original" comment. Because it's not, and I know it.
I'm not trying to school you. Okay?
And glory days is what I (and Verita, it seems) consider to be before they got douchey.
That's all
~Kasu
You know, I really did love Three Cheers and some of the songs on Bullets.
I think they were fun, fast and furious and they kind of defined a period of time in my life.
But, after TBP and the way Gerard acted from about February 07 through PR and the subsequent tour in Europe, I can't even go back and listen to them anymore. My dislike of Gerard (and now the other bandmembers, thanks to Twitter) has colored the way I feel about the music. It's not intentional, it's just the way I feel.
You know, I really did love Three Cheers and some of the songs on Bullets.
I think they were fun, fast and furious and they kind of defined a period of time in my life.
But, after TBP and the way Gerard acted from about February 07 through PR and the subsequent tour in Europe, I can't even go back and listen to them anymore. My dislike of Gerard (and now the other bandmembers, thanks to Twitter) has colored the way I feel about the music. It's not intentional, it's just the way I feel.
I'm starting to feel this way about them now, only milder. My MCR love defined me for about the past 9 moths (gosh, was I pregnant or something?! LOL), but, like all of my other past loves, it has started to fade into strong like. And thanks to VV, I've realized that they're not the extreme idols I believed them to be. Because yes, I did look up to LOTMS them, especially the sincere Gerard. Now, I still love listening to them, but it's been colored by a slightly-off aftertaste.
Hey, at least I wised up, right?
~Kasu
Because yes, I did look up to LOTMS them, especially the sincere Gerard. Now, I still love listening to them, but it's been colored by a slightly-off aftertaste.
I totally get that.
Although now I'm not so sure that 'LOTMS them' ever really existed. I fear that they were a creation (by Warner and/or Brian maybe?) whose sole purpose was to pull in impressionable young people who needed idols to look up to and to help them sell more records.
I think so, too. If they hadn't tried to trick their audience, I might even still be able to stand listening to them. Bullets and 3 Cheers were good music.
I also think they had considerable help writing and creating those two albums, and that when they got big(headed) enough and had enough clout, and decided they didn't need quite so much help and could do grand, faaaaabulous things on their own, the music started to become stupid.
It's the Anne Rice syndrome. "I'm too perfect for an editor." And then you start to suck.
Yeah, and I feel like I was taken advantage of, in a way. I SINCERELY hope that that really was them, because I think that it would kind of destroy who I've become; I'm 14, and MCR became a major part of my life JUST as I started to figure out who I was. As I put on my LJ profile, I don't know whether to look up to Gerard anymore or not, but I CAN look up to who I choose to believe he was. Now, I prefer to keep my main idol as one I feel I can trust - Johnny Weir, anyone?
~Kasu
It's the Anne Rice syndrome. "I'm too perfect for an editor." And then you start to suck.
OMG, I love you so much for saying that. Seriously, I've used that term myself so many times! Her writing deteriorated so much because of her ego. It was really sad to watch that unfold.
Anne Rice just blows. She should stop raping the poor thesaurus and back away slowly from the keyboard. Gahh, her attitude.
As for Johnny Weir, is he that skater? Yeah, he's hugely into wearing fur.
lol
I'll take Stephen King over Anne Rice any day. In fact, I'll take Stephen King over just about any celebrity period.
It seems like he's remained such a regular guy. Yes, he churns out some crap from time to time, but he seems like somebody who just wants to work, to create -- and he's never let his ego get the better of him.
I don't really think you need a celebrity to look up to, Kasu. Admire their work, sure, but don't take their public images so seriously. All people are flawed, some just more so than others.
You're young. Eventually you'll learn to trust yourself more and you won't need a celebrity to look up to.
I'll take Stephen King over Anne Rice any day. In fact, I'll take Stephen King over just about any celebrity period.
It seems like he's remained such a regular guy. Yes, he churns out some crap from time to time, but he seems like somebody who just wants to work, to create -- and he's never let his ego get the better of him.
Exactly. I love him for that. And yeah, I also haven't loved everything he's ever written, and like you said, sometimes his work is kinda "meh," but then once in a while he makes up for it with total genius. And I don't use that term lightly.
Yet, he just writes for kicks. And is up front about relying on his editors. He knows he can suck sometimes. :)
Anne Rice just blows. She should stop raping the poor thesaurus and back away slowly from the keyboard. Gahh, her attitude.
Agreed. I've read some of her books (I actually liked Tale of the Body Thief), but I find myself mostly just thinking, "Cut the crap and get on with it!".
She does tend to go on and on.
On Anne Rice:
The point of her novels is "Oooh, Vampire! Shiny!"
I never really got it. It's just a few steps above Stephanie Meyer.
If I'm being totally honest, I think Anne Rice has always sucked. I never liked watching her masturbate in prose. She's just so urple and overwritten. She can't just tell a story, you know? It's like you're trying to eat a salad and the chef has put everything in the world in it, like pizza and fish and soap and semen.
On Anne Rice:
The point of her novels is "Oooh, Vampire! Shiny!"
I never really got it. It's just a few steps above Stephanie Meyer.
That's a really good point.
I know King dissed Smeyer pretty hard (and I cheered,) but I think he had some harsh words for AR too? Maybe I'm imagining it. :)
I never liked watching her masturbate in prose. She's just so urple and overwritten. She can't just tell a story, you know? It's like you're trying to eat a salad and the chef has put everything in the world in it, like pizza and fish and soap and semen.
Lol! I couldn't agree more.
LOL and I don't like the taste of semen in my prose!
Anne Rice sometimes is so busy putting everything (including the kitchen sink) into her novels that she forgets all about one very important element: the plot.
I think that's why I liked Body Thief. It actually had a defined plot that wasn't completely all over the place.
Was Body Thief the "maxipad sucking" one? Or was it when Lestat turns mortal and tries to pee, but then overpees and misses the toilet?
God, I read pieces of that in a bookstore once and I just could not. Maybe there were some good parts in it but I couldn't get past the few pages I managed to thumb to.
Body Thief was the one where Lestat became human. And yeah, it was pretty laced with semen (and pee). Lol!
It was hard for me to get through it at first, but it eventually sucked me in. It's really the only one of her books I didn't despise, including Interview With the Vampire.
It was hard for me to get through it at first, but it eventually sucked me in.
Pun more or less intended? Hehee.
I just couldn't get past the maxipad thing. I have a low squick point with stuff like that. :)
I just couldn't get past the maxipad thing. I have a low squick point with stuff like that. :)
Oh God. I never read that one. It was the one with the devil in it, right? I can't remember the name of it but one of my friends told me about it. Ew. Just, ew.
I get them all mixed up. I wonder how she feels about those now that she's all God-ish or whatever? I think she found Jesus, didn't she? (And now Jesus is IT and she has to go hide! LOL sorry.)
Welp, I gotta run, you guys. It's fun talking with you!
Fun talking to you too. :)
Bye.
I don't really think you need a celebrity to look up to, Kasu. Admire their work, sure, but don't take their public images so seriously. All people are flawed, some just more so than others.
You're young. Eventually you'll learn to trust yourself more and you won't need a celebrity to look up to.
This anon, thanks for being so nice. And Kapunua, you're pretty damn awesome as well. It's not that I feel I need a celeb to look up to, but that I like having someone who I feel can be/is/(in this case) was a good role model. Someone to remind you that, "hey, it's okay to be a fucked up person sometimes." Just to say that it's okay to be who you are. It was Adam Lambert, it was/is Gerard Way, and now it's Johnny Weir.
~Kasu
I can understand that, Kasu.
It used to be nice for me to think that there was somebody out there in the music business who was doing it right, you know? Who maybe didn't have his head so far up his own ass that he could actually try to do some good for the kids who looked up to him.
Sadly, I just don't think Gerard Way is that guy. I do think there are good people out there, but they probably don't have what it takes to get really big -- that's not to say they don't have enough talent -- I just think you have to be willing to exploit kids to get big.
Billie Joe Armstrong seems like a good guy, but who knows? This whole thing with Gerard has made me kind of cynical, so it's hard to take any of these people at face value now.
I just think you have to be willing to exploit kids to get big.
Let me rephrase that. I don't think musicians necessarily have to be willing to exploit kids, but they probably have to have a pretty cutthroat mentality and to be willing to go along with record executives, PR agents, etc. and do whatever it takes to be successful.
^And that includes pretending to be someone you're not.
Which is really the majority of them 6:11.
Which is really the majority of them 6:11.
I agree, but the others didn't put out LOTMS where they tried to portray themselves as being 'holier than thou' the way MCR did.
The fact that they claimed to be such fine, upstanding young men who cared about their fans and about social issues such as gay rights and feminism when, in reality, I don't think they really care about anything but themselves, was just unacceptable to me.
If they didn't want to fall off their pedestal, then maybe they shouldn't have built the damn thing and then spent so much time and effort climbing up onto it.
That's exactly why iKasu feel this bitterness after enjoying their song. Like that TBS song: Liar (Takes One To Know One). If they call others out, DON'T become that yourself. And I still believe that that MCR is still there, just buried under a mountain of fame-assholeishness.
On another note, am I the only one who ENJOYED/APPRECIATED The Black Parade?
I liked one or two songs from TBP. I hated all the singles and I hated Cancer and I didn't particularly care for Mama either.
I liked House of Wolves and something else, but I forget. Lol, sorry. I haven't listened to that record in ages.
For me TBP just didn't ring true. It was like they were trying too hard to be something they're not. I didn't like the Queen-esque guitar riffs and I thought Gerard's vocals didn't fit some of the songs. I didn't particularly care for the concept either.
But I did love the hell out of Three Cheers and I loved Headfirst for Halos and Skylines and Turnstiles.
I liked TBP, but not as much as Revenge.
I know I'll be stoned for this, but Bullets is my least favorite album.
*ducks*
I think a lot of the people who commented here in the beginning became fans of MCR because of TBP.
It seems like most of those people left sooner than those of us who have been around the fandom longer.
*back home*
Kasu, I don't think there's anything wrong with identifying with someone, or taking comfort from someone. For example, after my Dad died, I started to identify really strongly with Jennifer Connelly, because she had also lost her Dad, and she seemed to be suffering a lot. Then there were the fictional character too, Dana Scully, things like that.
Most people want something or someone who seems to understand.
Like the anon said, it was really rude of MCR to pretend to be these feminists / activists just to make a quick buck and have an "image."
Well now that you know they're just your average dickhead rockstars you have to judge them on their merits which is the music they produce.
Well now that you know they're just your average dickhead rockstars you have to judge them on their merits which is the music they produce.
Well, TBP sucked and Bullets was okay, but nothing great. Three Cheers was fun but it's not something that I have found wears well over the years.
I've seen MCR in concert three times. The first time they were shit. The second they were decent but I wouldn't say they were great. The last time was PR and Gerard was so full of himself he made me sick and the rest of the band acted like they would rather have been somewhere else. Oh, and Gerard's vocals were total shit.
So...
Based on their music, I'd say they kinda suck.
Well now that you know they're just your average dickhead rockstars you have to judge them on their merits which is the music they produce.
Nope. I said it before and I'll say it again:
If they didn't want to fall off their pedestal, then maybe they shouldn't have built the damn thing and then spent so much time and effort climbing up onto it.
I feel like they went out of their way to lie to their fans. Other asshole bands have been upfront about being assholes. That makes a difference.
"Well now that you know they're just your average dickhead rockstars you have to judge them on their merits which is the music they produce."
Oh well, too bad I won't be able to judge them by their music because I'm not going to be giving them any more of my money. There are too many other bands out there who didn't suck me in with lies and hypocrisy that I would rather give my money to.
Then they should have lost the fans they 'lied to' and the other remaining fans will just have to judge them on what every other band is judged on: the quality of their music.
Oh well, too bad I won't be able to judge them by their music because I'm not going to be giving them any more of my money. There are too many other bands out there who didn't suck me in with lies and hypocrisy that I would rather give my money to.
And you have every right to do that.
Yes, because the Jonas Brothers and Justin Beiber have made a jillion dollars because their fans judge them on the "quality of their music".
*rolls eyes*
As they don't seem to care anymore about their 'image' fake or otherwise, I think they're actually under more scrutiny if they're being judged by what they produce (music wise). I mean it actually has to resonate with a good proportion of people not just teens to continue as a successful band.
Yes, because the Jonas Brothers and Justin Beiber have made a jillion dollars because their fans judge them on the "quality of their music".
*rolls eyes*
They're not any different from MCR in terms of a fabricated image.
As they don't seem to care anymore about their 'image' fake or otherwise, I think they're actually under more scrutiny if they're being judged by what they produce (music wise). I mean it actually has to resonate with a good proportion of people not just teens to continue as a successful band.
Exactly. And if this record is anything short of amazing, it's going to fall terribly flat with a more critical audience.
I used to be a fan of Three Cheers for Sweet Revenge because I thought it sounded so angry and rebellious. I was at that age and it just seemed to fit with what I was going through. But now, when I listen to it, it just seems kind of ridiculous and sad and funny all at the same time.
Gerard's vocals on that record just sound so whiny and (for lack of a better word) emo. To my more mature ears they don't sound angry at all anymore. The lyrics, which I used to think were so amazing, just seem like an angry little boy retreating to a fantasy world.
"Oh, I'm going to come back from the dead and get you for being so mean to me!" Seriously, I was shaking my head and laughing out loud.
I think a lot of their fans (even current ones) will have outgrown them by the time this new record comes out. They just haven't realized it yet.
They're not any different from MCR in terms of a fabricated image.
Exactly. And that was my point.
Teen idol bands (which is what MCR were) aren't judged on the merits of their music. Duh.
Sorry for the "Duh". I didn't mean it the way it sounded (read). It's late and I should have gone to bed a while ago.
Teen idol bands (which is what MCR were) aren't judged on the merits of their music. Duh.
Then by dropping the holier than thou image, teens won't follow them?
Lol, I think we all do that from time to time. It's hard sometimes to convey what you mean with words only. That's why sarcasm doesn't always translate on the internet.
Then by dropping the holier than thou image, teens won't follow them?
I think they're past the "teen idol" phase. Teen bands have a very limited shelf life. Either they grow with their audience or (more often than not) their audience desserts them.
They're grown men with families now. Gerard and Frank aren't really all that "hawt" anymore. I think at this point all MCR has is their music and, to be quite honest, I don't think it's all that great.
Judging by the crap they played at the Roxy, "not all that great" is a gross understatement.
I think Warner probably realizes this, so they keep sending them back into the studio until they get it right.
Anyway, this was a nice chat. I should have gone to bed hours ago.
Night. :)
I should have gone to bed hours ago.
Lol, I just said that teen bands' audiences "dessert" them. Like, they throw chocolate cake at them, or maybe ice cream?
Yeah. I should go to bed too.
Goodnight.
They're grown men with families now.
I can't see Frank wanting to do long term touring with twin babies. By then Gerard will probably have another child with his "old lady". I don't see how they are going to promote this album by touring, or the touring will be very restricted.
I think he just named-dropped the new record title.
what's that? "BULLSHIT"?
I can't see Frank wanting to do long term touring with twin babies. By then Gerard will probably have another child with his "old lady". I don't see how they are going to promote this album by touring, or the touring will be very restricted.
Maybe they are intending to bring the four children with them.
He's must be smokin' something and it ain't rones.
I don't necessarily think that having kids has to cause a band to stop touring. It's not like MCR is the first band whose members have had babies.
I think it's hard on the wives and I think maybe that's one of many reasons that rock star marriages don't tend to last.
Bullshit would have been a good title for LOTMS.
I think it's difficult to bring babies on tour. They might be more manageable after five. I can't envisage a tour bus with screaming babies lol!
Did I read that correctly? Surely "BULLSHIT" cannot be the title of the album?
I think it's difficult to bring babies on tour. They might be more manageable after five. I can't envisage a tour bus with screaming babies lol!
No, cramped buses and hotel rooms and chaotic back stages is no place to have very small children. The babies would be cranky and they would drive everyone completely nuts.
That's why touring is hard on the wives because they usually get left at home alone with the babies for extended periods of time.
I doubt that Frank would actually bring his little ones on tour because he probably has enough sense to know it wouldn't be good for them.
Gerard and Lindsey on the other hand? Well, let's just say that from what I've observed, neither one of them was blessed with very much sense - good or otherwise.
Remember when people used to think Gerard was smart?
L.O.L.
I doubt Frank would want to be separated from his kids for long so I'm thinking the tours will be short. Gerard I'm guessing would want Lindsey and the baby around cuz he can't seem to be away for her for even 2 seconds.
In ancient mythology he was 4:38.
I'm sure the other band members are going to be thrilled to have Lindsey and a rambunctious toddler with them everywhere they go.
Not.
Maybe not but Gerard will be thrilled to bits with his Zoid and minny me around.
You are all touching on EXACTLY what makes me so sad. I mean, I love plenty of bands (FOB, PATD, The Horrors), but I don't look up to them. They make no claims to be the kind of people I would. But then MCR... They did. They MADE themselves into, like, "saviours," and then if (IF!) they turn out to be not, it'll just break my heart and so many others'. Like I've said, i choose to believe that the Chem I loved is still there somewhere, but that's because I'm a bit of an eternally-romanticizing optimist or something like that.
As for judging them on their music - I've been doing that. And I still like them. I honest-to-God enjoy the sound of their music. I enjoy that entire sound. I know that, most likely, I'll one day grow out of it, but for now, I love that pop-punk "scene".
And I still consider Gerard and Frank attractive, but YMMV on that one.
~Kasu
Sorry, for being thick , what does YMMV mean?
I thought Gerard was attractive way back in the Helena video - mainly the part at the end when he was carrying the coffin and when he puts it in the hearse, slams the door and looks through the window with a frown on his face. He looked very angry and manly then, which reminded me of a character from a novel that I was reading. I also equated the black hair and white makeup with Jack White, who is a very tall, well-built man.
Then I found out what Gerard really looked like. Yeah, he has wide shoulders and a nice face, but he's proportioned weirdly. So no, he's definitely not my type although I can see how some people might find him attractive.
Although I don't think his particular type of attractive is going to age well. Girly looking men look weird as they get older.
Frank used to be cute, but not anymore.
Sorry, for being thick , what does YMMV mean?
According to Urban Dictionary, it stands for Your Mileage May Vary, which is slang for your opinion may differ.
As I said, attractiveness is very subjective. I actually thought Gerard was the best-looking DURING his supposed return to addiction: during Thr Black Parade Os Dead! and Projekt Rev, with the chin-length hair and heavy eye makeup. And yes, Frank was significantly more attactive before, but he had a higher adorable quotient. Now he's just good-looking, as Gerard still is.
~Kasi
I honestly don't think Frank or Gerard are any better looking than your average cute guys that you see walking down the street. It's just that they dye their hair black and wear makeup onstage.
I do agree that when you see them live, both are proportioned funny. Frank's torso and legs don't seem matched (he has really short legs) and Gerard's head and shoulders seem too big for the rest of his body.
I think both of them will just fade into mediocrity as they get older. They've both already lost whatever 'edge' they used to have, as far as I am concerned, anyways.
Oh and as for Jack White...that is one good looking man. He even looked good in his mug shot. Lol.
Billie Joe Armstrong also has a long torso and short legs.
maybe weird shaped guys have a better chance at making it in the music industry.
Off topic but I met BJ a few months ago after a FHT gig he played in Islington straight after a 3 hour Green Day gig. The FHT gig lasted about 90 mins and he genuinely seemed to be having so much fun he didn't want to stop. They even started playing some of their songs two or three times (FHT don't really have a lot of material and most songs are only 2 minutes long)
It was incredible to think that only half an hour before the FHT gig which was in a tiny venue with a capacity of 200, that he had been up on stage at Wembley playing in front of about 12,000 people. He was so down to earth, he was joking around with us and treated us as people he had just met at a bar and not like fans. (I am in my 20s so that may have something to do with it) He was not standoffish at all, in fact he was very friendly, and complimented my hair, although he was very very drunk and maybe that's why he was so relaxed, but he hung out with us after the gig and chatted with us at the bar. He even crowdsurfed at one point. I can't imagine Gerard having that kind of stamina or enjoyment of what is, essentially, his job.
I never thought I'd get to meet BJ, so to hang out with him while he was so relaxed and friendly, pretty much made my year.
has gerard ever crowdsurfed even in the old days? i know he used to get up on the barrier. but i'm pretty sure frank has, not sure about the others.
Billie Joe Armstrong also has a long torso and short legs.
True, but then I don't think Warner ever tried to promote him as a 'teen idol'. While J-14 type magazines did pick him up for some covers and posters, I don't imagine he was too thrilled about that.
And yeah, Billie Joe is amazing. He plays for more than three hours straight and still has tons of energy after his shows. Plus, he actually plays rhythm guitar onstage and while he may not be a fabulous vocalist, his vocals always sound pretty much the same and he's not all out of breath and letting the audience sing half his songs like GWay.
And no, Gerard never, ever crowd surfed. He's too stiff and uncoordinated. He'd probably wind up in the hospital if he even attempted it. I'm surprised he didn't injure himself that time he tried to backbend.
At this point I actually couldn't care less about Gerard Way and his merry men... But seriously.
"[ Lynz Way, Chantal, Jessicka Addams }"
I would identify each one of these ladies as third wave feminist. Say what you will but they are artists in my book. They all have individually in their own way done plenty for girls self esteem. Even Chantal, whose music I don't particularly like but it's not easy getting up there when you are not a size 2.
Just a quick lesson, Third-wave feminism is a term identified with several diverse strains of feminist activity and study from 1990 to the present. The movement arose as a response to the failures of and backlash against initiatives and movements created by second-wave feminism of c. 1960s through the 1970s and the realization that "women" are of "many colors, ethnicities, nationalities, sizes, religions and cultural backgrounds".
The third wave embraces "contradictions" and "conflict", and accommodates diversity and change. There is, in this wave, no all-encompassing single feminist idea.
In a nut shell I have a lot of respect for these ladies esp. Jessicka whom has been doing (grrl positive) music in the riot grrl scene since 90's.
WTF? Isn't there enough girl on girl hate in this world? I assume a lot of you are women here, correct? Possibly mothers? Possibly feminists? Possibly artists?
I get what this blog is all about but it is really necessary to drag friends of Gerard's wife in this shit? Why not focus on Gerard and his band and not his family, his kid, or his wife's friends.
Carry on, if you must.
While I don't subscribe to Third Wave Feminism because it does nothing to improve the average woman's position in the world, I do consider myself to be a feminist and I have never really approved of the negative comments about Lindsey on this blog.
I think that Gerard is a big boy who is responsible for his own behavior and that he should be held accountable. However, I agree that his wife and child should not be brought into anything beyond the fact that his behavior at PR was outlandish. Lindsey was part of that, but she isn't responsible for his actions.
Agreed! Lynz doesn't control her husbands actions, taste level, or his music.
Personal empowerment is all very well and good if you were brought up in a privileged home and society and if you have the creative talent and self-confidence to be whatever you want to be.
However, for women who don't have those kinds of advantages and whose main concern is the daily struggle of how to put food on the table or how to deal with discrimination in the workplace or getting protection from domestic violence, Third Wave feminism is pretty useless.
I also believe that it hurts women in the long run because it promotes the sexual objectification of women in our society.
Women need to be more than just empowered sexually and creatively. They need to be intelligent, educated and realistic about the obstacles they face in the real world, and they have to be willing to work very hard to overcome discrimination and abuse.
While I agree that girl-on-girl hate does do much to hurt our gender, male-on-girl domination in the workplace and the home is devastating. When Third Wave offers some kind of solution for that, maybe I'll take it a bit more seriously.
"I have never really approved of the negative comments about Lindsey on this blog."
I haven't either. I don't mind Lindsey. Gerard is wanker. I won't be buying the new MCR record. I think the coolest thing about him these days is his wife.
I'd also like to say that I agree that Gerard is responsible for himself. I don't care for all the Lindsey bashing that goes on here either.
Kasu here, I've never liked Lyn-Z. It's not that stupid rabid-fangirl jealousy you see so much of either. And it's not "OMG SHE SCREWED UP MY GEE" or that type either. Yes, I feel like she is irresponsible, and that will likely continue; I don't think people can change that much. I've seen her in several interviews, and I just feel like she is ditzy and, well, just annoying to me.
As for "Gerard is a wanker," well, as I've said, I think that the good Gerard DID, in fact, exist, but was just corrupted by fame. I think that it wasn't just a manufactured image, but, as I've said, I'm a hopelessly optimistic 14-year-old. And yeah, he isn't really that active onstage, but who cares, IMHO. And as for letting fans sing? I kinda like it. Plus, I don't think he sounds terrible live.
To use my catchphrase, YMMV. :)
~Kasu
I doubt any wave of feminism will offer any kind of solution for male-on-girl domination in the workplace. Educating both men & women early on is key. Mother's need to talk to their children about Sexism and attitudes or behavior based on traditional stereotypes.
I find that many women whom consider themselves third wave feminist are indeed empowered, intelligent, educated, and realistic about the obstacles they face in the real world.
examples?
Naomi Elizabeth "Nomy" Lamm American singer/songwriter and political activist. Lamm has described herself as a "bad ass, fat ass, Jew, dyke amputee.
Lydia Lunch
Jessicka Addams
Tori Amos
Carrie Brownstein
Judith Butler
Susie Bright
Margaret Cho
Ani DiFranco
Martha Davis
Donna Dresch
Corin Tucker
Emily Haines
Kathleen Hanna
Holly Hunter
Joan Jett
Ellen Page
Liz Phair
Maria Raha
JD Samson
Annie Sprinkle
Debbie Stoller
Lili Taylor
Robin Tunney
Tobi Vail
But I guess we can agree to disagree.
In the mean time wouldn't the first step be to stop being hateful towards other women just because of a selective judgmental idea we have of them via the internet?
Could this be an actual intellectual debate here?
Could this be an actual intellectual debate here?
I agree that there is far too much girl-on-girl hate out there, and I also think that this blog should stick to MCR and Gerard and not bring Lindsey into it, especially when it comes to her role as a wife/mother.
However, most women are not artists, actors, writers, etc. Most of them couldn't be if they tried because they are limited by their talents, opportunities, socioeconomic upbringing, or the country where they live.
I honestly don't see the benefit of a few high profile women embracing a form of feminism that does not and cannot ever apply to so many of their sisters. It seems very selfish to me.
Women need to become more educated. They need to become more involved in politics. When we have women in actual power in this country (and others) that's when things will really change.
"I honestly don't see the benefit of a few high profile women embracing a form of feminism that does not and cannot ever apply to so many of their sisters. It seems very selfish to me."
Curious how third wave feminism can't apply to every women? Isn't that its point?
It's not an elitist club.
Curious how third wave feminism can't apply to every women? Isn't that its point?
It's not an elitist club.
No, it can't.
Ask a group of women in Afghanistan or the Congo how Third Wave Feminism is working out for them if you don't believe me.
Also, go to the local shelter for battered women or a homeless shelter that houses women on the street who get money from prostitution. I don't think 'sexual empowerment' is doing them much good.
I'm a professional woman. While I do consider myself to be somewhat empowered; I make an excellent living, I love my job and I am (for the most part) taken seriously by my colleagues. However, if I show up tomorrow in a full sleeve tattoo, bright red lipstick and a schoolgirl uniform, I imagine everything I worked for will go out the window.
Women need to be in high places in society. They need to run corporations, to be professors and to be doctors and lawyers. And yes, they need to be artists and musicians. However, women in traditional high-power or professional careers cannot conduct themselves the way that women in more creative careers can.
It's just a fact.
"(for the most part) taken seriously by my colleagues. However, if I show up tomorrow in a full sleeve tattoo, bright red lipstick and a schoolgirl uniform, I imagine everything I worked for will go out the window."
Understood, but there isn't a dress code for third wave feminism. There are many professional high powered woman who identify themselves as third wave feminist and you'd never know it from their appearance.
I think at times the movement is often confused with the riot grrl movement.
I am assuming you are referring to Lynz from your description, (if not forgive my assumption).
She is such a minute part of this movement.
I think we are partly in agreement here. It takes all types of women to form a movement.
"However, women in traditional high-power or professional careers cannot conduct themselves the way that women in more creative careers can. "
I understand this point too but what truly irks me is that men in traditional high-power careers seem to be able to conduct themselves any way they want.
Yay! This turned from evil trolling and flame wars to happy niceness to an intellectual debate!
WHEW. Now that THAT'S off my chest, I can be intelligent again. So, yeah, let's keep it to MCR and Gerard, and not discuss Lyn-Z. Yes, this includes me. From now on, I'll keep my dislike of her to myself.
So, onto Gerard, I think there are AT LEAST two things we can agree are in his favor: the fact that he actually DOES respond to fans on Twitter is rather nice, as is the fact that he actually has a degree of talent. How large that degree is is a bit more YMMV, but I think we can agree he has a modicum of talent? Yes/No/Maybe?
~Kasu
I believe that the third wave is about choice. As women, we have the opportunity to be anything or anyone we want to be. We aren’t restricted by our gender any longer. As children, my generation played soccer, practiced ballet, and had art lessons. We were told that we could grow up to be anything and have any career we chose.
I believe that the third wave of feminism is exemplified by the “superwoman” mentality. Women can be career women, moms and wives all at the same time. Choice is the third wave of feminism, and I believe that I am truly fortunate to be apart of this generation of females.
I truly believe that our generation is the third wave of feminists. Instead of fighting for our right to equality, the third wave of feminism is about choice, it is about individuality.
However, I’m not sure that political action needs to occur in order to define a true “wave of feminism.” If each woman defines feminism for herself as an individual, and lives with the second waves’ accomplishments embedded into their everyday lives, than isn’t that the third wave of feminism?
I don’t agree that my generation of women, the third wave, “takes for granted” the rights given to us. I agree that on most days I don’t think about the previous inequalities women had to endure; however, I don’t undervalue their efforts and accomplishments. Their work paved the way for the third wave of feminists to be doctors, lawyers, writers, politicians, and presidents. The third wave of feminism is taking the second wave’s success and applying it to our everyday lives, our individual existence, and not necessarily relating it to a certain political movement or theory.
I believe that the third wave is about choice. As women, we have the opportunity to be anything or anyone we want to be. We aren’t restricted by our gender any longer. As children, my generation played soccer, practiced ballet, and had art lessons. We were told that we could grow up to be anything and have any career we chose.
I chose to attend an excellent college and receive an education that will be the foundation to my future. I will choose to live with my boyfriend after graduation and I will choose to have a family and a career. My life is about choice.
I believe that the third wave of feminism is exemplified by the “superwoman” mentality. Women can be career women, moms and wives all at the same time. Choice is the third wave of feminism, and I believe that I am truly fortunate to be apart of this generation of females.
what truly irks me is that men in traditional high-power careers seem to be able to conduct themselves any way they want.
I realize this is slightly off topic, but I just wanted to say that from my experience, this is not true.
Men in professional careers are expected to behave and dress professionally as well.
"what truly irks me is that men in traditional high-power careers seem to be able to conduct themselves any way they want.
I realize this is slightly off topic, but I just wanted to say that from my experience, this is not true.
Men in professional careers are expected to behave and dress professionally as well."
I work at an investment firm and sadly that has not been my experience. Women are on their best behavior and men seem to do as they please even come back from lunch hour drunk. Total boys club.
While I think all of the talk of "choice" is very idealistic and I agree with it in theory, women still have a long way to go before we can be the "superwoman" that you talk about.
Most working women still bear most of the responsibility and workload of raising children and taking care of the home. Most working moms I know are stressed to the max and many of their marriages are in trouble because they don't find the enjoyment in them that they did before they had children. A little help from their husbands would help, but no matter how "empowered" these women are, they still can't get the hubby to do the dishes or give Junior his nigttime bath.
Society is just not co-operating with our choices, I'm afraid.
"little help from their husbands would help, but no matter how "empowered" these women are, they still can't get the hubby to do the dishes or give Junior his nigttime bath."
Off topic I know but my husband does the dishes and cleans the house and hold down a job. Crazy, I know.
Third Wave feminism is working for me.
Third Wave feminism is working for me.
Good for you, but that's the very kind of selfishness I'm talking about.
Just because you are happy with your job/husband doesn't mean that the world is a great place and everything is just fine.
Yeah, my husband used to do those things when we first got married too. Then he got a promotion and the kids came along and suddenly the house and kids became "my job".
i think youre confusing their battles for sexual liberation with a battle for liberation for sexism.
theyve done nothing to prove that women have the strength, brain power, or skill of men.
no. they operate on a looks are all that matters, not skill and yet were not to judge them off of their looks but their lack of skill.
they bring women down everywhere and gerard marrying one of them makes thousands of teenage girls want to grow up to be them.
do the math.
the zoid is very very bad for women everywhere. starting with her daughter.
and judging by vvs posts, im not the only one who sees this. if you were a real fan of this blog and not just some passerby who thought they could diffuse the situation with some cleverly played logic youd know that.
they are very good for sexual liberation however. im sure theyre up for it anytime, anywhere...
It's not girl on girl hate. Men just don't speak out against women disgracing women.
Why would they? As MCR has proven they obviously like us that way.
I think this might be my last straw.
And I think this comes from any feminist perspective, third wave or otherwise.
"Anonymous said...
I'd be willing to bet money that Lindsey either is sleeping with or has slept with Jessicka Addams.
May 5, 2010 3:45 PM"
This is the kind of stupid, unfounded, hateful, rumor spreading, bullshit I'm talking about. Just because two women show a fondness for each other and share a common goal, they are sleeping with each other? This has to be a sick joke?
This is the kind of girl on girl hate I'm talking about people.
The intelligent women I'm debating with here most certainly can't be standing for this crap.
i'll be honest.. all this third wave we can finally do it crap is bullshit. I'm going into music business and industry.. not performance and all ready i've been told i won't get hired becuase i'm a woman... i'm going to a school where i'll be one of 8 women
"Yeah, my husband used to do those things when we first got married too. Then he got a promotion and the kids came along and suddenly the house and kids became "my job".
I'm truly sorry. I'm sure discussions have been had about this. I assume you work the same amount of hours he does?
"Third Wave feminism is working for me.
Good for you, but that's the very kind of selfishness I'm talking about.
Just because you are happy with your job/husband doesn't mean that the world is a great place and everything is just fine."
No selfishness here. I work very very hard and we have opened lines of communication, it has not been easy.
I didn't say the world was a great place and everything was coming up roses. I was stating a fact in "my" life.
i don't think there ARE any intellegent people here.
just bored people.
and now you've become boring people who seem to only fight with each other.
MCR is better without you.
"i'll be honest.. all this third wave we can finally do it crap is bullshit. I'm going into music business and industry.. not performance and all ready i've been told i won't get hired becuase i'm a woman... i'm going to a school where i'll be one of 8 women"
Umm, if as a women you didn't truly believe you could do it, then why the fuck go to school at all?
You have quite the great defeatist attitude.
I must have read a different book on third wave feminism than the one that Lindsey read.
The way I understood it was that women were striving to present positive images in popular culture in order to overcome the negative stereotypes of the helpless woman, the dependent woman, the less-than-intelligent woman.
How in the world does Lindsey do that, I'd like to know?
"Umm, if as a women you didn't truly believe you could do it, then why the fuck go to school at all?"
to give back.. West Virginia has no record labels, and we've got some decent talent out here...
This is the kind of girl on girl hate I'm talking about people.
The intelligent women I'm debating with here most certainly can't be standing for this crap.
Certainly you can't be putting the comments of a few off on the entire commenting population of this blog?
Many of us have stated (tonight) that we don't agree with the negative comments that have often been made about Lindsey.
You have a legitimate beef with the person who made that statement, but it was several pages (and maybe even a post) back. I don't see what it has to do with tonight's discussion.
I must have read a different book on third wave feminism than the one that Lindsey read.
The way I understood it was that women were striving to present positive images in popular culture in order to overcome the negative stereotypes of the helpless woman, the dependent woman, the less-than-intelligent woman.
How in the world does Lindsey do that, I'd like to know?
I agree with this.. as to the list of women earlier on... i would have counted Joan Jett as a much early feminism wave
RE: 7:26
There is certainly different types of positive archetypes.
Archetypes are defined as inner images that are present in the unconscious mind . . .universal images like "mother", "hero", "goddess", and "witch". These images are found in our myths, folklore, literature and dreams.
As far as archetypes go you cannot speak in absolutes.
One person's hero is another person villain.
Um, just wondering, when did MCR EVER say they liked girl/girl hate? (Not sarcastic)
~Kasu
"You have a legitimate beef with the person who made that statement, but it was several pages (and maybe even a post) back. I don't see what it has to do with tonight's discussion."
You are correct. It was truly just shocking to read.
Anonymous said...
I'd be willing to bet money that Lindsey either is sleeping with or has slept with Jessicka Addams.
If I'm not mistaken, I think most of us ignored that comment.
I know I did.
LynZ is not a feminist, nor a real bassist, or even a dedicated mother as we've seen from her many tweets and twitpics on the subject.
We discuss her here because she's relevant to the series of choice Gerard has made and continues to make against feminism.
I agree with the anon that said that anyone who was an original follower of this blog would already know that.
However, I don't think you're trying to diffuse the situation at all. I think you're just trying to instigate a fight for your own amusement.
"I agree with this.. as to the list of women earlier on... i would have counted Joan Jett as a much early feminism wave."
Joan Jett has identified herself as a third wave feminist in the press several times.
only an idiot would assume all trolls are stupid...
using big words to bait us because we stopped falling for your dumb fangirl ploy.
clever...
This is getting confusing as there are at least 3 or 4 anon women in this discussion now.
Man, this troll has way too much time on his/her hands! For real!
"Anonymous said...
I'd be willing to bet money that Lindsey either is sleeping with or has slept with Jessicka Addams.
If I'm not mistaken, I think most of us ignored that comment.
I know I did."
I understand. It just really irked me.
"I agree with this.. as to the list of women earlier on... i would have counted Joan Jett as a much early feminism wave."
Joan Jett has identified herself as a third wave feminist in the press several times.
never knew that.. i don't follow up on her like i do Green Day
Every time there is legitimate point or intelligent discussion going on someone just has call people fangirls or trolls. So stupid.
That's quite lovely, 7:31, but I don't see what it has to do with the discussion of feminism?
Obviously, one woman's feminism is not necessarily the same as another's. All of us have different life experiences.
I think the point that some of us are trying to make is that choice just isn't enough in a society that is trying to hold you down.
Yes, women need solidarity, which means we need to stop the girl on girl hate. But we also need to be able to criticize each other as well.
If a woman is getting by on her looks or bragging about how she made it without talent, I think we have the right, and maybe even an obligation to tell her that she's doing it wrong.
Looks fade. Lack of talent will eventually be discovered. Then where will that woman be?
Who cares if they are? That wasn't the point, the point is that way Lynz behaves in public makes people assume the worst.
She's no female role-model! That's for sure! Who are you anyway? Cause the others are right! VV has post upon post speaking out against Lynz, if you were actually one of us you'd know that!
not legitimate discussions, just discussions about things directly contrary to the purpose of this blog.
I think maybe now that the name callers have arrived, this discussion is probably just going to get less and less productive.
Oh well. It's the internet after all.
But it is nice to have some intelligent debate.
I've enjoyed it, intelligent anons. I say we just agree to disagree on certain aspects of feminism, yet agree that most of us really do have the best interests of women (and feminism) at heart.
It's true. VV is very against the image Lindsey puts off for feminism.
We all know this.
You're that same troll that was calling people's opinions on Lindsey silly the other night, aren't you?
Get used to her. You made a blog titled troll, what did you think would happen?
I say we just agree to disagree on certain aspects of feminism, yet agree that most of us really do have the best interests of women (and feminism) at heart.
I think that's true. I also think that most of us have far more in common than we have differences.
We are all sisters, so to speak, after all. :D
"Yes, women need solidarity, which means we need to stop the girl on girl hate. But we also need to be able to criticize each other as well."
Of course I agree criticism is necessary. It important for women to share thoughts and ideas with each other. I've agreed with quite a few of your points. I find less and less of your brand of logic/discussion here and more fabrication and unfounded rumor speculation.
As for my original point none of Lynz's friends mentioned have stated they made it on looks and not talent. In fact most of them that were listed are quite talented and well spoken and do not parade around exploiting their sexuality.
"Looks fade. Lack of talent will eventually be discovered. Then where will that woman be?"
Only time will tell, I guess. What if she is a truly gifted artist and she does well with her art. Again, this is all just speculation.
Blog posts from VV are either about Feminism, the Downfall of MCR, the sexism/racism of MSI, or the stupidity of LynZ.
You are not going to change that, whoever you are, so stop trying.
Long live VV's, start your own blog if you don't like it!
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