"If you have a problem with the word n*gger, please get on your telephones and call Method Man at his agency, at (redacted,) and when his agent and/or secretary therein picks up, I want you all to say 'I came to bring the pain...'"
Jimmy Urine http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWHQ8f1WuRs
The typical racist, "Well black people say it so that means it's okay if I do" argument.
Except no.
When a non-black person says the N-word, one of the top excuses given is that since black people use the slur, others should be able to as well.
Why Black People Can Use the N-Word: A Perspective
That African Americans (and some Latinos) are able to use the N-word freely while others are not is, I take it, an obvious fact. In one particular form, the N-word carries connotations of camaraderie. The expression is used, as rapper Q-Tip has pontificated, “as a term of endearment.” However, it is also widely known that this use is typically not available to non-black language users.
White People Can Use the N-Word
White People Can Use the N-Word
the real reason I don’t get the urge to slap a black person every time I hear them say the “N-word” is that the image of them holding a whip and screaming at me to pick cotton doesn’t pop into my head when they say it. I don’t get the image of them telling me and “my kind” to go to the back of the bus. If you’re white and you’re really wondering why so many blacks are against you saying the word, blame your ancestors. They fucked it up for you.
And again, I’m now saying that you CAN say the word. Just realize that saying it could come with consequences. I have a group of female friends that call each other “Bitches.” I’m smart enough to know though that if I walked up to one of them and said “Hey bitch”, I might get a knee to my nuts. Same thing with white people who are hoping for the ability to use the N-word. You can use it. Use it as much as you want. Go to downtown Baltimore wearing a “Nigga Please” shirt. But after you get beaten to a pulp, I don’t want to hear you crying about a damn thing.
Jimmy Urine also uses the argument that he's "racist against white people." You cannot be racist against white people. Racism is about institutionalized oppression. he will just never get it.
After all this time, what I still can't believe is how ignorant and yes, racist this band is.
And that's just the one song, mind. This says nothing about "F*ggot" and "Bitches" and "Five Year Old Panty Shot."
He (and his racist friends) can excuse this all they want. They are still all a group of ignorant, misogynistic, racist, homophobic, transphobic assholes.
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«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 400 of 452 Newer› Newest»Then you start saying Kapunua was "rude" to them and you expect flowers up your asshole? I would tell you to fuck off. But it's not me you want to talk to, it's her. It's always her
Part of her response was to that anon another was to me. She is rude and abrasive to anyone she perceives is threatening her. I was not threatening her or being rude to her. She never apologizes. People like you justify her ongoing crappy behavior towards anyone, for what reason????
Not once does she take responsibility for her behavior and she has some of you condoning it. You display the same childish and immature behavior.
Go on Kapunua keep on thinking it's people from Mayo's. Ridiculous. Your immaturity is prevalent when you can't even reflect on your own behavior and constantly blame it on something else.
That person was called out as a fool
She called a variety of people a fool, not just that anon.
Some people become blinded by their own paranoia.
Then you start saying Kapunua was "rude" to them and you expect flowers up your asshole? I would tell you to fuck off. But it's not me you want to talk to, it's her. It's always her
She is rude and there is no if's or but's about it. If I were rude and misunderstood you I would be the first one to clarify and apologize. Why does she need to continue behaving this way and for people like you to find every excuse under the sun to support it? Don't you like being treated with respect? You constantly talking about respect for others on this blog but you don't extend that same courtesy to everyone.
I personally hate her and have always hated her. Changing her name so she thinks we can't see her spew her hate and shit on her livejournal, well guess what. It still shows up.
She has lied about everything from day ONE. Trying to tell people she lived in a nice area (got proved to be a liar about that). Lying about who was anoning her after her parent died (she kept saying it was one person. It wasn't). Saying she talked to this person, or that person. Lying at Mayos' Lying ABOUT Mayo. Trying to frame people. Calling people "idiot" from day one. Lying about people "attacking" her friends at work (and you all know how that turned out).
What else are you lying about, Kapunua? Your book? Joseph Gordan Levitt? You can't actually prive anything can you?
And when people start to look like they are on to your lies, you go on the attack and just call them names, hoping that your "group" will stand behind you.
Well here you are all alone. No one to back you up. How do you like it?
Do you know what turns up when you search JULESKD? I do.
I DON'T hate her 9:32 and 9:34 and am definitely not encouraging anyone to call her names or disrespect her. That's just NOT ON.
I never called her names but that does not stop her from calling names to other people. It's ridiculous.
"She is rude and there is no if's or but's about it. If I were rude and misunderstood you I would be the first one to clarify and apologize."
Accusing her of being rude, is being rude yourself. Why don't you apoligize then?
I will disrespect her all I want because she had never shown me any respect. Fuck her and all of her LIES.
I wonder if JGL knows the lies she tells about him. What is his email address again?
help@hitrecord.com
support@hitrecord.com
press@hitrecord.com
Accusing her of being rude, is being rude yourself. Why don't you apoligize then?
How is it rude to tell someone their dismissal/labeling of you is inappropriate and that you want to be treated with respect?
She basically owes everyone an apology. But instead we will see "deflect deflect deflect"... And more lies.
Why don't you get your "famous" friend to help you out here? Think they will come here to defend you?
THIS
Not so big without your fake friends to back you up.
Well I am still going to respect her 10:10 even though I don't like the way she behaves at times.
I will never approve of the way she behaves and she gets no respect from me whatsoever.
I'm not approving the rude behavior: I'm respecting her as a human being.
She doesn't act like one, so fuck her.
So many of you keep insulting each other ruthlessly. Us and Them. After each one of you has said every cruel, disrespectful, disgustingly hate-filled piece of mud you can think of to throw at each other, what do you get? Is there some prize you are handed? Is there a trophy you get to put up on your bookshelf? A ribbon to hang on your wall? A smile? A stomach full of misery and acid and hate? No one is ever going to win. Why can't you people see this and just give each other some peace. Just let it go, walk away, leave it. Nobody will win this. Not for one minute. None of you have a shred of decency and maturity left in you. Not until you stop doing this. Are you going to do something VV?
You have to earn respect and she has never done anything to earn ANYONE'S respect. Tell me, what has she done?
And what has she done with her life? Sit around talking shit all day, that's what.
" None of you have a shred of decency and maturity left in you. "
Not like you, right? You have enough for the rest of us, high and mighty.
You accuse her of talking shit all day, while you sit here leaving vicious comments at her while she isn't around to defend herself. And she commented earlier about how much she hates prejudice, while she doesn't give any opposing opinion a chance. I think you are much the same, 10:35 the second.
10:34 If I were you I would try not to generalize. There are very sensible people here as well.
Re-read the first sentence of 10:34.
Who are you talking to?
10:39 asked 10:34 (the second one) not to generalize. 10:34 (the second one) told that anon to read their comment again. It's not to everbody it's to the haters
I don't see it your way 10:45. I don't think most people here are "haters". I think some people have strong views and some people are more extreme to one side. Then there are people that come here to attack the people here, and say vile things to them. And some people react. It's not that different to anywhere else.
10:34 just sounded way melodramatic and over exaggerated.
Hey, Kapunua , yeah, you're rude sometimes, but it's understandable, cuz you never know where the comments are coming from,so you tend to get your back up from the get go. You've been through a lot with idiots. Just maybe listen sometimes before you go off with the namecalling? It's not always who you think it is, all people have feelings.
After each one of you has said every cruel, disrespectful, disgustingly hate-filled piece of mud you can think of to throw at each other
That's completely untrue.
Anonymous said...
I personally hate her and have always hated her. Changing her name so she thinks we can't see her spew her hate and shit on her livejournal, well guess what. It still shows up.
See this is where it gets kind of crazy,i commented that she was rude.I do not hate her,and i don't care what she does in her personal life and i think it is kind of scary when people dabble into someones life like that. Also carrying alot of hate for someone over a long time even if that person was mean to you.I tend to say how i feel and then let it go. Yes i get pissed off like everyone does, but i do not let it consume me.
I absolutely agree with you Lynn.
I also cannot see why a person cannot simply speak to another person about their behavior without having others coming out of the woodwork exaggerating everything well out of proportion and attacking that person personally.
These other people may have very strong feeling about her but they also need to look at their needless cruelty directed towards her.
Having fun?
Honestly, can we just let this drop? It seems to me like the only people who are benefitting from this endless discussion of "zomg, rudeness!!!" are the ones who hate Kapunua.
People are rude on the internet. This is NOT brand new information.
Can we just drop it?
But don't you see, Lynn, by continuing to come here and whine about how Kapunua was ZOMG, RUDE (!) to you, you've opened up this can of worms?
Yeah, Kapunua has been rude to me before too, usually when others have been attacking her and she has misconstrued my comments. Thing is, when you post as anon, it's very easy for people to misread you. But I realize this is the internet, and someone being rude to me here is really not a big deal. I take it in stride, and I still like her and I still defend her because I admire her principles.
Now, if someone got hold of my personal info and posted all over the place, or made fun of my pursuits the way people have done to Kapunua, I'd be upset. Thing is, she has a reason to be suspicious and defensive. You would be defensive too if you had gone through the same shit she has.
TBH, when I read you going on about thinking she was rude, and saying that you "allow her her opinions", I thought you were probably the crazy "ZIMMERMAN OR MARTIN? ANSWER NOW! YAAARRRGH!!! *foam at mouth*" anon. She probably did too.
But yeah, I think it's time to let this drop. Whoever it is who keeps posting, "BUT SHE WAS SOOO ROOOOOD!!!" is really starting to look like a crybaby.
So you're saying it's alright for anyone who has been wronged online to be rude without cause because they are now suspicious of others? Wouldn't that pretty much be everyone who's ever spent time online? Isn't that ridiculous too? I would love for this argument to drop too, but it would have been wonderful if it never started in the first place.
Seriously, blaming one anon i.e. Lynn, for the actions of several other people is bullshit. Obviously she didn't intend for spiteful people to jump on her bandwagon. VV invites everyone to post their opinion here. Your comment implies it's OK for certain people to disgree with others, but someone like Lynn is not allowed to voice her grivances?
Just taking someone's bad attitude/behavior at you, because that's "just how they are" is the lamest excuse for bullying I've ever heard. I'm not calling Kapunua a bully. She's been run through the muck herself. But your logic is flawed, 1:05. Maybe you shouldn't be defending Kapunua until she's present to agree with you and appreciate your effort on her behalf...
Yeah, but this is just a smear campaign against Kapunua. That much was made clear when somebody started posting about her internet activities again.
And it's also kind of funny how this blog has been nearly dead, but suddenly anons are coming out of the woodwork to jump on her. Like, three in a row from 1:27 - 1:34?
Yeah, right.
^to jump on her, or anyone defending her, I should have said.
So you're saying it's alright for anyone who has been wronged online to be rude without cause because they are now suspicious of others?
Nope. I'm saying it's not the end of the frickin' world if someone is rude to you online. I'm saying that if you go online virtually anywhere and post an opinion, chances are someone's going to be rude to you. You can get mad. You can vent. And then you let it go, because, ultimately, you can't do a damn thing about it.
But don't you see, Lynn, by continuing to come here and whine about how Kapunua was ZOMG, RUDE (!) to you, you've opened up this can of worms?
Well, excuse me for not like being called a bigot. I don't think i opened a can of worms just because i'm not the only person who think's Kapuua is rude.You go out and throw out words like thick, bigot and idiot, your opening your own can of worms dont't you think.
Nope. I'm saying it's not the end of the frickin' world if someone is rude to you online. I'm saying that if you go online virtually anywhere and post an opinion, chances are someone's going to be rude to you. You can get mad. You can vent. And then you let it go, because, ultimately, you can't do a damn thing about it.
I got mad, i vented about it and i told her she was rude. I'm over it and so should you. You are the one that is whinning on and on about it.
OMG, someone change the subject before someone else tells me i was ....Rude? Whinning? Honest? Can opening?
"your opening your own can of worms dont't you think."
*you're.
*don't.
Nope. I'm saying it's not the end of the frickin' world if someone is rude to you online. I'm saying that if you go online virtually anywhere and post an opinion, chances are someone's going to be rude to you. You can get mad. You can vent. And then you let it go, because, ultimately, you can't do a damn thing about it.
Of course they are, but for the most part some of those people accept if there is a misunderstanding and try to clarify it, not once does she back down or ever admit that she made a mistake. Why? This is not the first time she has called me an idiot, she has on many occasions when she didn't get the context of my comments properly, but this is the last time I am ignoring it.
I don't agree with the not doing a damn thing because essentially you are then condoning oppressive behavior aimed at other people. I also fail to see how you can talk against oppressive behavior when you are practicing a form of it yourself.
Having fun?
No, grow up.
She's been run through the muck herself
I understand this and I think it was a traumatic experience for her. You can see this by the walls placed up around her. But there comes a day when you need to look at your own behavior and question things.
Yeah, but this is just a smear campaign against Kapunua. That much was made clear when somebody started posting about her internet activities again.
Stop making excuses for her poor behavior towards other people here. People like you are feeding into her defensiveness.
But yeah, I think it's time to let this drop. Whoever it is who keeps posting, "BUT SHE WAS SOOO ROOOOOD!!!" is really starting to look like a crybaby
Really? Then as far as I'm concerned you cannot go on about MSI/MCR, Jessicka and however has offended you on the day, it's hypocritical and you are being a crybaby.
Different Anon-
OK, I haven't stepped into this "debate" yet, but I have been reading. Aside from the annoying fact that the actual conversation has been clouded and confused with old blog drama, I have a problem with your mindset, 7:37. You boldfaced just stated that you (and everyone else who posts here) don't educate ignorant people, you "just" mock them. That comment reads just as I imagine James Euringer to THINK, and exactly as I have heard him SPEAK. This mentallity on a post all about (essentially) racism, prejudice, inappropriate behavior and backward thinking, really? And this thinking and method is better? Because you only mock and behave poorly in a public setting (as James Euringer does), instead of a primarily private one (as old posters did)? Are we supposed to be impressed by that? What happened to ignoring anons you disliked? Someone has to be the grown up. I wonder now why VV posts anything at all for discussion, if it's always (alwaysalwaysalways) going to get pulled back into old catfights. Very insane and bad behavior went down, if you've been reading here long enough you know this. Why can't we ignore anons that seem to want to go back into that ugly game? Calling them "out" on it, calling them names, throwing unrelated insults back and accusing every random anon of being one of them isn't better, it's just the same bag of dog shit in a different color bag. I've been reading here a long time, I would be grateful to see some progress. Thank you for the new post, VV.
April 23, 2012 1:07 PM
This person made a lot a sense.
^whoever
If you are really against prejudice, oppression and hatred you model that behavior to the best of your abilities yourself, you don't have one rule for others and another for yourself.
*you're.
*don't
Shit,you got me.I'm bad at grammer, and i will admit it.I can at least say i'm not ....RUDE. ^_~
1:05/47/57PM,
This is incredibly moot to point out to you, but I don't appreciate being made an example of for other people's inappropriate behavior -Do not accuse me of being someone I am not because you don't like what I had to say or how I chose to say it: the comments today from 1:27, 1:30 and 1:34PM were all one anon, me. Pardon me for taking three comments to say my piece. Your comment at 1:05 didn't bode well with me. In that comment, despite your intention, you still couldn't convey your own thoughts without calling someone a "crybaby" and stating that another anon was "foaming at the mouth". In your comment at 1:47PM you implied that my own comments were part of this "smear campaign" against Kapunua. I suggest you read again, slower and more calmly. If I insulted anyone, it was you (and not Kapunua) when I said your logic was flawed and your "take it like a man" style attitude/excuse was lame. At 1:57PM, you did also confirm your belief that "letting it go" is always the best policy. All of this behavior and all of these issues being exactly why this unpleasant exspance of comments started in the first place.
-Perspective.
And please don't say "like" at me in that manner, I know what you're implying with that but it only makes you look ridiculous.
If you read back, the smear comments started only after Kapunua insulted someone instead of just disagreeing with them, and then accused several other anons of being ex-Lovelies. As I said in my earlier comments, I understand that Kapunua has been through some very ugly things. I am sorry for that, that any of it happened at all, and that it shapes her experiences still. But if you don't want the bear to bite you, don't poke it. We all know what talking about them (especially in an accusatory "tone") brings, why give that satisfaction? I don't understand. Nor do I understand why sereral other anons joined in, in accusing and insulting other anons of being one of those people as well. Kapunua was not alone in this.
Disagreeing with someone or questioning their views or actions doesn't mean you hate that person or that you are looking for a fight. We should all understand and be able to handle this.
Lynn, you stood up for yourself earlier. I don't think you did anything wrong. Everyone should be allowed to do so. As I am doing in my comment here. See how this works, 1:05/47/57?
Can we get back to the fucking post subject now.
4:08/4:25, you made great sense to me. And you didn't insult anyone while doing it. Impressive. I'll try harder next time to be more like that.
Now. Let's all join hands and sing Kumbaya.
"This is not the first time she has called me an idiot, she has on many occasions when she didn't get the context of my comments properly, but this is the last time I am ignoring it. "
But then you probably are. Have you ever even considered looking at your own stupid behavior? Look at how you come across here. it's not good. You sound like someone with a huge ax to grind who just won't /can't let go of things and I guarantee this is not the first time you've been here acting like a jackass.
"Then as far as I'm concerned you cannot go on about MSI/MCR, Jessicka and however has offended you on the day, it's hypocritical and you are being a crybaby.
"
THis is the point you seem to keep missing. Being rude to someone on the internet (esp. the way you're treating her) and being A RACIST are two different things. But you seem to think they are on the same level.
That actually... DOES make you sound like a bigot. ANd here is where you might be running into your problems. You're downplaying racism and sexism and comparing it to "someone talking rude to you on the internet."
How do you think that makes ACTUAL oppressed people feel?
Not good.
^ THIS.
Someone needs a lesson in social issues. Crying "Someone was rude to me! This is THE SAME AS RACISM. I AM OPPRESSED" actually makes you a racist.
If you don't want to be called a bigot... step talking like one.
7:31 how do think prejudice and hatred starts? Do you wake up one day and decide you hate someone or do you commence thinking that someone is not enough in your eyes and perpetually repeat the thought constantly until it becomes a belief system. Perhaps you also have the people around that reinforce that very same thought.
If you are constantly belittling someone and calling them a fool or idiot and dismissing everything about them based on your belief system how exactly is that not prejudice?
How can you not see any hypocrisy here?
Sorry 7:33 you are not very credible in your arguments if you cannot even see all sides to this argument.
Thank you 6:35.
7:31 you are downplaying the very essence of what constitutes hate and oppression, rudeness and intolerance and thinking that you are above someone.
Anonymous said...
Anybody have any thoughts on The Used's new album?
April 23, 2012 4:08 PM
It kicks ass. :) (While being beautiful, piognant in current events and universal issues and is deeply emotionally charged.)
Lynn, you stood up for yourself earlier. I don't think you did anything wrong. Everyone should be allowed to do so. As I am doing in my comment here. See how this works
Thank you:)You didn't do anything either and i don't think you are bigot or an idiot:)
"7:31 how do think prejudice and hatred starts? Do you wake up one day and decide you hate someone or do you commence thinking that someone is not enough in your eyes and perpetually repeat the thought constantly until it becomes a belief system.
7:31 you are downplaying the very essence of what constitutes hate and oppression, rudeness and intolerance and thinking that you are above someone."
You don't get it. This is EXACTLY WHY you are a bigot. See I wasn't thinking so at first, but it turns out the people here are right.
This has nothing to do with Kapunua. This has to do with YOU whining and saying that "rudeness is the same as racism."
I don't know how the fuck to spell this out to your stupid ass.
YOU ARE NOT BEING RACIALLY OPPRESSED. SOMEONE WAS RUDE TO YOU ON THE INTERNET. THAT DOES NOT EQUAL AND WILL NEVER EQUAL SYSTEMATIC, CULTURAL OPPRESSION KNOWN AS RACISM.
See at first I was just thinking this was part of some stupid argument but now your fucking RACIST ass is really pissing me off. How dare you compare "I don't like the tone she spoke to me" with hundreds of years of hate crimes, hate speech, murder and genocide, unfairness and oppression.
RUDENESS IS NOT THE SAME AS RACISM AND SEXISM.
FUCK RIGHT OFF.
God, I can't even imagine how much you have pissed me the fuck off tonight with your ignorance. Check your fucking privilege and SHUT THE FUCK UP.
Asshole.
God, I'm sorry everyone else, but I am so sick of the bullshit with people whining that "someone was mean to me once" is the same thing as hundreds of years of oppression. Fuck! Assholes.
Wow.
"Latina" I am personally very sorry that you had to get that angry and that those words hurt you. I'm sorry if my involvement (I am one of the people who likes Kapunua b/c I think she has a clear head if you know what i mean)... but I was a part of the conversation and if I in any way contributed to making you feel like that i am indeed sorry...
I think people here who think that "meanness is the same as racism" should read this link.
Racism 101
An ever-expanding list of common understandings we share as anti-racists. Please feel free to submit your own entries.
White privilege exists.
Sanctuary is not segregation.
Flipping the actors does not lend clarity to an issue, nor does it mean that you have created equivalent analogies. See entry under Fallacious Flip.
People must own their feelings and expressions. Ventriloquy is not helpful in discussions of racism.
Seeking the empowerment of people of color is not the same as disenfranchising white people.
Racism is more than “individual acts of meanness.” (Peggy McIntosh)
Hating white privilege is not the same as hating whitey.
Defensive responses to issues voiced by people of color are invocations of privilege.
A claim to anti-racism cannot be made based on any variation of the “black friend defense” (Mexican boyfriend, Asian wife, children of color, etc.).
Apology means say you’re sorry and then shut up.
No rationalization, no long explanation of your intention, no invocation of the black friend defense.
And then work on making change.
The anti-racist focus should be on effect rather than intention.
Celebrations of “multiculturalism” do not address racism.
People of color are not responsible for the education of white people.
It’s not all about you.
An experience you have as a white person that you think is similar to an experience related by a person of color is not a valid proof that racism doesn’t exist.
“Anti-racism” does not exist without action."
I hope that helps. I know it's not your responsibility to educate these privileged people.
It is mine.
So I hope this helps.
I am not going to "shut the fuck up" and please do continue with the name calling 8:39. I am going to take people like yourself very seriously/not.
Unbelievable!! Constantly insulting people just to shut them up. I've seen this sort of behavior elsewhere: in extremist groups.
You know you are making sense when they start insulting you, because they have lost any ability to make sense of their own.
There are some people here with sense and intelligence 1:07, 6:35, and others.
Some others of you behave no differently to the people you constantly criticize. Just as intolerant, and justify insults and taunting.
See at first I was just thinking this was part of some stupid argument but now your fucking RACIST ass is really pissing me off. How dare you compare "I don't like the tone she spoke to me" with hundreds of years of hate crimes, hate speech, murder and genocide, unfairness and oppression.
I'm not saying that you are. How dare you distort this whole argument.
"I am going to take people like yourself very seriously/not."
That is exactly your problem. A person of color tells you how you are hurting them and gets angry, and you say "I'm not going to stop."
THIS IS WHY YOU'RE RACIST.
Okay guys I do not have a dog in this race of "who insulted who first" but I will say this. I said from the very beginning of this blog that I don't care what you talk about. Settle differences between yourselves. But the one thing I said I would NOT tolerate is racism and racist posts.
When a minority person speaks up, they are not to be silenced. That's what you're doing here. We do actually have people of color, transgender, whathaveyou, people of all different races that visit this blog.
By you saying that someone was "rude" to you and comparing that to racism, that demonstrates your lack of understanding of racism.
When a minority speaks up and tells you that you are being racist, what you don't want to do is tell them "No I'm not because my intentions were different or I meant something else."
You listen to what they're saying.
You don't tell them "I'm not going to listen to you."
There have been comparisons here about "rude tone" being comparable to the hate generated by racism. It isn't.
People are trying to tell you this and you are not hearing them.
Now you can continue to not listen, that is your choice. But hear me on this.
I will NOT have people of color silenced on my blog when they are trying to tell you about your racism. I said from the beginning that the only thing I was going to ban was personal information/stalking, and racism.
I'm seeing racism here ("I'm not going to listen to a person of color's point of view").
The only things I ever deleted from here were spam, personal information and racist attacks.
Please don't make me delete any more because I am not here to play babysitter.
Please just take the opportunity to learn about racism and about your own privilege.
Thank you...
By you saying that someone was "rude" to you and comparing that to racism, that demonstrates your lack of understanding of racism
You completely missed the point too Verita. I did no such thing.
You claim I'm not listening well I think you're not listening and from the way see things you are condoning bullying behavior on this blog.
I am not trying to silence anyone you however you and a few others are trying to silence me because I see things from a different angle, am trying to explain that from my pov, but being labeled an assortment of names all with your blessing so it seems. Not once did I put down or use abusive language against anyone.
That is exactly your problem. A person of color tells you how you are hurting them and gets angry, and you say "I'm not going to stop."
THIS IS WHY YOU'RE RACIST
I did not call you any names or mud sling but you seemed convinced that you are justified in the name calling behavior towards me and others because you are convinced of something you have labeled me as.
I'm seeing racism here ("I'm not going to listen to a person of color's point of view")
NO, I listened but I will not tolerate verbal abuse from anyone!
Now I understand Jessicka.
I am sorry if I any of you misconstrued my arguments, however I know that some of you will continue to label me as a racist bigot whatever, as you will with others that don't fall in line with your thinking. 9:38 we are all equal. Verbal abuse is not on and hurtful to anyone regardless who they are.
Thank you Verita, Kapunua and a few others for showing me who you really are. I'm grateful for this opportunity as it woke me up.
To the people that demonstrated sanity and tolerance, thank you.
Most of all I regret my part in this blog and anything of detriment I may have thought or said about any rockstars.
What's Jessicka got to do with this blog? Is she one of the anons?
I do believe people here throw out insults to shut people up. I never seen people go to this extreme to label somone a racist only because she pissed someone off. A person may i add that, that has no problem spewing hate and calling people names. This is the second person that got warned of being banned because somone has a problem with Kapunua. It doesn't have anything to do with racism.
Thank you Verita, Kapunua and a few others for showing me who you really are. I'm grateful for this opportunity as it woke me up.
To the people that demonstrated sanity and tolerance, thank you.
Most of all I regret my part in this blog and anything of detriment I may have thought or said about any rockstars.
LMAO. Really? Oh noes, by not acknowledging this poor anon's wittle bruised feelings, we've driven her back into the waiting arms of Gerard, JU and their band of merry racists! *tear*
Give me a fucking break. You just proved right then and there that you have no true convictions. You were just here to try and start bullshit. But then, I knew that all along.
I live in the South, and every day of my life I hear people say things like, "You know, I don't like Mitt Romney because he's a Mormon, but I'm going to hold my nose and vote for him, because I'd rather have him than Monkey Ears. Not that I have anything against black people. I have black friends. But that doesn't mean I want one to be President. I just hope he doesn't pick that Rubio as his running mate. Might as well pick a Mexican as him." Or like, "I don't understand why these gays think they have the right to shit all over Christianity. Marriage is sacred, between a man and a woman. That's the way it's always been and the it's always going to be. Those people should be spending their time begging God to make them normal, not trying to make folks accept their perversions." Etc., etc.
Most people around here, whether they agree or not, just shut up rather than start an argument. Is that what you mean by "allowing" people to have their opinions? Because, in my opinion, when you just sit still and keep your mouth shut when people espouse that kind of crap, you're contributing to the problem.
I personally have no problem opening my mouth and telling people what I think of their bullshit bigotry. That may not be "socially acceptable" in certain parts of the South, but I don't really care.
Oh noes, by not acknowledging this poor anon's wittle bruised feelings, we've driven her back into the waiting arms of Gerard, JU and their band of merry racists! *tear*
As if she ever left. ;)
How not to apologize when you've done something oppressive and hurtful to people of color:
"I'm sorry you misunderstood me."
"I'm sorry you perceived my words a certain way."
"I'm sorry but you're the one who is wrong."
All of the above makes you STILL A RACIST.
How to apologize when you've oppressed and hurt a minority or person of color:
"I'm sorry. I'll think about what you said and make some changes."
THAT IS ALL.
"Most people around here, whether they agree or not, just shut up rather than start an argument. Is that what you mean by "allowing" people to have their opinions? Because, in my opinion, when you just sit still and keep your mouth shut when people espouse that kind of crap, you're contributing to the problem.
I personally have no problem opening my mouth and telling people what I think of their bullshit bigotry. That may not be "socially acceptable" in certain parts of the South, but I don't really care.
"
Exactly. I'm not about to sit back and not call people out. That is how racism grows. Those people are bigots and they are stupid and ignorant.
We have some people like that here, obviously. Some "anons" decided to get themselves caught up in it by singling out Kapunua (again) because she speaks her mind against racism. By defending the racist idiots she's calling out, they are defending racism.
They are racism apologists and that is the same as being racists themselves.
And fake apologies aren't apologies at all.
They are racism apologists and that is the same as being racists themselves.
Exactly.
But the thing is, they can't even see it. They think racists are "other people". They would argue til they're blue in the face that they aren't racist, while sitting back and "allowing" their racist friends to go on spewing their hatred.
"Lynn said...
I do believe people here throw out insults to shut people up. I never seen people go to this extreme to label somone a racist only because she pissed someone off. A person may i add that, that has no problem spewing hate and calling people names. This is the second person that got warned of being banned because somone has a problem with Kapunua. It doesn't have anything to do with racism.
APRIL 25, 2012 3:29 AM"
"
That person was Martha Jones. AmIright? She was banned not for racism or sexism. She was banned and silenced for disagreeing with one person. VV is so full of shit as is anyone on this blog who can't see what's going on. There is no free speech or respect here. I'm glad more and more people are seeing that. It's about fucking time.
They are racism apologists and that is the same as being racists themselves.
So are George Zimmerman's defenders Hispanic racist apologists? Or can't some of you admit even now that POC can be racist.
That question has been answered, 8:16. How many times are you going to ask it?
"Zimmerman’s case has become a cause celebre and one of the most racially divisive in the country.
He shot and killed Trayvon Martin, an unarmed black 17-year-old Feb. 26, as the teenager walked through Zimmerman’s Sanford neighborhood. Critics accused Zimmerman of racial profiling and Sanford police of botching their investigation."
Are they wrong Kapunua? Was Zimmerman, a hispanic POC, not racial profiling an African American POC?
Are you wrong? Can't POC be just as racist as white people? Can you ever admit that you are wrong? Will you ever admit that your thinking is flawed?
No it hasn't 8:24. Why don't you answer it now.
Yes or no?
Can POC be racist?
There is no free speech or respect here.
This is not the press, nor is Verita the government. She does not have to allow hate speech, nor does she have to sit back and allow someone to be abused on her blog.
Martha Jones was/is a vile, vindictive person. Are you really going to defend her?
Do you disagree with Kapunua who thinks that POC can't be racist?
Yes or no.
Can POC be racist?
Yes or no?
Martha Jones was no more vile and vindictive than you are 8:30. Are you really going to call her those things and sit back claiming innocence? Really?
Can POC be racist?
*sigh*
One last time.
By the sociological definition of the word racism, which is, prejudice plus the power to repress, the answer is no.
When using the colloquial definition, in which people use the term racism interchangeably with the term prejudice, then yes. It is possible of a POC to have prejudiced against another POC.
Question answered. Again.
*be prejudiced
"He shot and killed Trayvon Martin, an unarmed black 17-year-old Feb. 26, as the teenager walked through Zimmerman’s Sanford neighborhood. Critics accused Zimmerman of racial profiling and Sanford police of botching their investigation."
Are they wrong Kapunua? Was Zimmerman, a hispanic POC, not racial profiling an African American POC?
Are you wrong? Can't POC be just as racist as white people? Can you ever admit that you are wrong? Will you ever admit that your thinking is flawed?"
Oh, you're repetitive troll anon.
She, and we all, answered your question a million times already.
POC CAN BE RACIST TOWARD OTHER POC. THEY CANNOT BE RACIST TOWARDS WHITES.
Are you done yet Mya?
Okay, I made a couple of typos, so, I'll answer your question one more time, seeing as how you've asked it about two dozen times, and will probably ask it again.
By the sociological definition of the word racism, which is, prejudice plus the power to repress, the answer is no.
When using the colloquial definition, in which people use the term racism interchangeably with the term prejudice, then yes. It is possible for a POC to be prejudiced against another POC.
There.
That you, Mya? Really, why are you STILL HERE?
Stop taunting, 12:42. You're ass is showing.
Haha, typo. That's just punny. Ass/Typo, get it? :/
Martha Jones was no more vile and vindictive than you are 8:30
Truth.
So, Verita, since Martha Jones was not a bad person, why did you ban her then? Wasn't she a POC?
Don't recall anyone being banned at all. I do recall her being told to stop picking at Kapu about the death of her father and Verita having doubts about keeping the blog open with that level cruelty going on.
It's impossible to ban someone from blogger, people.
And you're showing your ass right now, by the way. It's easy to see where you come from and why you're so invested in this.
But then most of us knew who you all were anyway.
They wear their defensiveness as their shield. It protects them from their own failings.
To the people of color who were insulted in this exchange, I am really sorry for what happened here. And I am unreservedly sorry for any part I might have played in this that made you feel bad.
As I recall, Martha Jones stopped coming around because she was exposed as being one of those people who stalked Kapunua's blog and said extremely hurtful and unpleasant things to her regarding the death of her loved ones. If that isn't vile and vindictive, I don't know what is.
3:28 THAT is how you give an apology. THank you I accept that apology.
Oop sorry, I didn't see that was Kapunua. I don't remember you saying anything racist but I still accept your wellspoken apology and thank you.
Kapunua's blog and said extremely hurtful and unpleasant things to her regarding the death of her loved ones. If that isn't vile and vindictive, I don't know what is.
How long ago was this? This is the internet. Quit being a crybaby. Do you want people to blow flowers up her ass? I wonder why all of these people pick on her? Move on and get over it.
That you, Mya? Really, why are you STILL HERE?
What's it to you if it is her? You are still butt hurt about what happened at Mayo's. This is a different blog that I thought anyone could post at. Do you mean that everyone that Kapunua hate's cant post here? It shouldn't be that way, but i guess it is.
At least now "Lynn" (lol) is showing why she's really here.
So basically Lynn, you're really only here to talk shit about one person. Gotcha. Way to make light of actual issues. Turn it into your own personal vendetta. As usual.
Vendetta...you have got to be kidding! I 'm not even going to waste my breath. I don't have a problem with anyone here except when someone calls me a bigot. I didn't come here to revenge Kapunua, i didn't even have a problem her until she started calling people on here stupid and for doing so, i get called bigot. I'm to old for this jr high bullshit, so i will hop off here and do something more pleasant, like running my fingernails across a chalkboard or something.
You could also learn to spell and phrase things like an adult. You sound familiar.
The reason you got called a bigot, Lynn, was because you were being an apologist for racists. You made a point of saying that you "allow" people to have opinions that disagree with yours. Now, maybe you were caught up in that whole semantics thing, where people were essentially arguing over the definition of racism, but regardless, you made it seem like you were defending bigotry, and saying that people who are racists are entitled to their opinions. Those of us who argued with you were just trying to point out that racist/sexist/homophobic people with hateful opinions almost always try to force them on others, which is never okay.
Maybe you aren't a bigot yourself, but you sure do act like you make excuses for bigots. Living in Texas, I'm sure you know a lot of them, and it's always easier to just go along and not make waves... am I right?
How long ago was this? This is the internet. Quit being a crybaby. Do you want people to blow flowers up her ass? I wonder why all of these people pick on her? Move on and get over it.
And are you honestly going to sit there and say that calling someone (who, frankly sounds like a bigot) a bigot on a public blog is on par with following someone around on the internet and telling them how they should behave during a time of great loss? Or posting their IP and other personal info on the internet? How about getting that person fired over posting things she thought she was posting among friends, and would never have found their way back to her boss had these so-called friends not ratted on her?
That's about as stupid as your argument that being rude is as bad as systematic racism.
You really are a sensitive one, aren't you? Go ahead and deny it, but it's true. You're a regular little wilting flower. And not very bright, either. Yeah, I said it. So now you can whine about my insulting you too.
You really are a sensitive one, aren't you? Go ahead and deny it, but it's true. You're a regular little wilting flower. And not very bright, either. Yeah, I said it. So now you can whine about my insulting you too.
I don't care if you don't think i'm very bright. You don't know me. I think you are a little crazy talking about wilting flowers, but hey, i don't know you.
The reason you got called a bigot, Lynn, was because you were being an apologist for racists.
Bullshit!
You could also learn to spell and phrase things like an adult
I don't think it was so bad that you couldn't read it. This isn't fucking grammer class.
Maybe you aren't a bigot yourself, but you sure do act like you make excuses for bigots. Living in Texas, I'm sure you know a lot of them, and it's always easier to just go along and not make waves... am I right?
The only bigots i know, are some of elderly that i work for at the nursing home where i work, and i do just go along and not make waves. All i can do is pray for them. I don't shout in their ears that they are bigots.
I just got tickets for the midnight showing of The Avengers on May 3!!!
Tony Stark, Thor, Bruce Banner and Loki (yes!) here I come!!!!!
I can't wait. :)
Oh, and The Used new album...
I like it. I love some of it, but it's got a couple of clunkers on it. Much, much better than MCR's last attempt. Bert has such a sweet voice. I've only listened a couple of times, and their music usually grows on me over time though. Sometimes the songs I don't like in the beginning turn out to be my favorites over the long haul.
Anyway, it's a good album.
One more thing!
Kapunua, I'm sure you've seen the trailer for Lawless (formerly The Wettest Country). What did you think?
Latina, thank you for accepting my apology. 5:51, 2:49 et. al. thank you for making sense.
I said I was done trying to reason with racism apologists and I am.
7:07 - I just saw it today! How about that accent? ^_^ Shiah LeBeouf is a huge "meh" for me, but Gary Oldman looking totally badass, and Tom Hardy (obviously my husband) AND a script by Nick Cave? Yes please!
Someone give me a link to the trailer please??
All i can do is pray for them. I don't shout in their ears that they are bigots.
April 25, 2012 6:41 PM
Who knows if that will change things with them, but it's a nice idea, Lynn. And I would assume it may work better than shouting. I hope it pays off somewhere.
What are the clunkers, 7:05? And which are your faves right now? I've only heard a few songs. I've seen the video for I Come Alive and it certainly got to me.
"And I would assume it may work better than shouting."
Yes, pray to something fake instead of actually doing something. The only thing "I'll pray for them" accomplishes is making YOU feel like you're actually doing something, when really you're not.
And childishly insulting people on a blog changes the world. You're only making yourself feel better too, 9:58.
This post stopped being about racism and became more about general prejudices, assumptions and past blogger cruelty very early on. Just because you don't believe in religion or faith, doesn't mean other people have no right too either. Racism and oppression go hand in hand, but they are not the same thing. Either can be seen in various (seperate or together) situations, etc. Nothing in your comment implies racism, so I will not accuse you of being racist. But you are generalizing your own belief (or lack there of) at me, and you have no right to say what a persons beliefs can accomplish or what they cannot. Behaving as you are may not in anyway compare to the wrongs that people of certain ethnicities have been through, but it doesn't make your behavior right. I would rather take someone who is trying to do better and failing at it, as you say. Than take someone who is trying to do right by behaving wrongly. If you can't understand that by now, then I don't believe you will ever be capable of doing so. Which means you are willingly just as stuck in your own mindset as the old folks Lynn prays for. I'm sad for them, and sad for you.
Lynn you are wonderful *hugs*
I’d agree with you, but then we’d both be wrong 9:58 :)
"Than take someone who is trying to do right by behaving wrongly. "
So you decide who is "behaving wrongly"? Typical Christian. Everyone else is bad, but you're pure and good and entitled to tell people how "bad" they are, that their way is wrong and yours is the only right one. You bitch and insult people, and tell people that bitching and insulting people is wrong (except when you do it). and then instead of doing anything positive, you "pray for them".
Yup, typical christian.
Lynn = Mya?
I found something cool on Tumblr that I think applies to here.
The Do’s and Don’ts of Being a Good Ally
1. Don’t derail a discussion. Even if it makes you personally uncomfortable to discuss X issue…it’s really not about you or your comfort. It’s about X issue, and you are absolutely free to not engage rather than try to keep other people from continuing their conversation.
2. Do read links/books referenced in discussions. Again, even if the things being said make you uncomfortable, part of being a good ally is not looking for someone to provide a 101 class midstream. Do your own heavy lifting.
3. Don’t expect your feelings to be a priority in a discussion about X issue. Oftentimes people get off onto the tone argument because their feelings are hurt by the way a message was delivered. If you stand on someone’s foot and they tell you to get off? The correct response is not “Ask nicely” when you were in the wrong in the first place.
4. Do shut up and listen. I cannot emphasize enough the importance of listening to the people actually living X experience. There is nothing more obnoxious than someone (however well intentioned) coming into the spaces of a marginalized group and insisting that they absolutely have the solution even though they’ve never had X experience. You can certainly make suggestions, but don’t be surprised if those ideas aren’t well received because you’ve got the wrong end of the stick somewhere.
5. Don’t play Oppression Olympics. Really, if you’re in the middle of a conversation about racism? Now is not the time to talk about how hard it is to be a white woman and deal with sexism. Being oppressed in one area does not mean you have no privilege in another area. Terms like intersectionality and kyriarchy exist for a reason. Also…that’s derailing. Stop it.
6. Do check your privilege. It’s hard and often unpleasant, but it’s really necessary. And you’re going to get things wrong. Because no one is perfect. But part of being an ally is being willing to hear that you’re doing it wrong.
7. Don’t expect a pass into safe spaces because you call yourself an ally. You’re not entitled to access as a result of not being an asshole. Sometimes it just isn’t going to be about you or what you think you should happen. Your privilege didn’t fall away when you became an ally, and there are intra-community conversations that need to take place away from the gaze of the privileged.
8. Do be willing to stand up to bigots. Even if all you do is tell a friend that the thing they just said about X marginalized group is unacceptable, you’re doing some of the actual work of being an ally.
9. Don’t treat people like accessories or game tokens. Really, you get no cool points for having a diverse group of friends. Especially when you try to use that as license to act like an asshole.
10. Do keep trying. Fighting bigotry is a war, not a battle and it’s generational. So, keep your goals realistic, your spirits up (taking a break to recoup emotional, financial, physical reserves is a-okay), and your heart in the right place. Eventually we’ll get it right.
Wish more people would at least try to learn that.
And less importantly, but still fun, an anon asked for the trailer to Lawless.
Here you go!
The only bigots i know, are some of elderly that i work for at the nursing home where i work, and i do just go along and not make waves. All i can do is pray for them.
Really? Because I live in Tennessee, and I can't open my door and go outside without encountering a bigot. And I have relatives who live in Texas, have traveled there pretty extensively, and have found it to be much worse than Tennessee.
Are you sure you even know what a bigot is?
People like this asshole think that bigots and racists are just the people who still think "the coloreds" should be separate but equal. They don't realize that racism is pervasive and it still exists in most of us. They think they are white shining angels who can do no wrong, and who can just "pray the bad away". They are white paragons of goodness.
That's why when someone calls them out, they go crazy.
People like this asshole think that bigots and racists are just the people who still think "the coloreds" should be separate but equal.
This is so true. I know people who insist they aren't prejudiced at all. Only they hate Obama for no reason, won't hire an African American because it "wouldn't be good for business", and automatically assume that every POC they see is on foodstamps and medicaid. But they're "good Christians" and "don't have anything against black folks." *rolls eyes*
Or, they're racist apologists. Saying we shouldn't be mean to racists because they're just expressing their opinion.
7:36AM, you said outright that praying was "fake and useless," essentially: wrong. I said it was wrong of you to say that. That doesn't make me a Christian, I am far from it. It just means I'm trying to be more open to people that are or believe different than I do, than you appear to be. I didn't insult anyone or "bitch" (I also take issue with you using that word, it doesn't help anything to throw it around at other women.). I posted a comment. I am not every opposing anon on this blog. I would appreciate it if you would not speak to me like I am. I keep seeing that happen here. It's very arrogant of you to assume you know me or that you have any idea what I do with my time other than the 5 minutes I spent to comment here. On a blog about prejudice, etc., your hate for people with religious faith stands out.
You implied in your comment, and the comments that have followed it (I pressume they are not all you, a courtesy I would have expected back.), every person of religious belief is a racist, an asshole, a useless (if not problematic) member of society and essentially wrong. I don't find this acceptable thinking on such a post.
And before anyone further accuses or implies of me anything that I am not; my Stepfather is Jamaican, my xboyfriend and best friend are Mexican (I assume if they took issue with any of my beliefs or believed me to be racist, they would have said so by now. They have all had 20 yrs to do it.), I am a Native American on food stamps and I voted for (will again)and helped campaign for Obama. (I'm also a Buddhist, not a Christian.) According to the aformentioned beliefs in most of the comments (but not all), I cannot be a bigot, a racist, crazy or non-contributing to my community.
I do my best to be open to others, help out when I am able and try to think positively. The latter of which I was trying to do when I commented to Lynn about her prayers. I don't make apologies or excuses when I feel someone is wrong, which is why I responded to the comment at 9:58PM last night. When asking for respect for others, no matter what their race, wording your comments respectfully appears to get better results. I personally believe that praying for someone else's emotional progress is better than getting into fights with people who have no desire to embrace change. You are not the Universe, 7:36AM. You have no right to tell me I am wrong to believe as I do, or to insult others that may believe as I do. All you had to do was say you disagreed or didn't believe in religion. Your behavior was wrong, but it wasn't the worst that I have read on this blog. I see that fighting, misinterpreting and distorting to make points takes precedent here. I hope that some change does come out of this blog and this post, but it will certainly surprise me. Enjoy the day.
Really? Because I live in Tennessee, and I can't open my door and go outside without encountering a bigot. And I have relatives who live in Texas, have traveled there pretty extensively, and have found it to be much worse than Tennessee.
I don't encounter bigots when i open my front door. I do know people who are bigots every town has them, but i dont't have any dealings with them.
Typical Christian. Everyone else is bad, but you're pure and good and entitled to tell people how "bad" they are, that their way is wrong and yours is the only right one. You bitch and insult people, and tell people that bitching and insulting people is wrong (except when you do it). and then instead of doing anything positive, you "pray for them".
I made the comment about praying to them. I do pray, but i don't go to church, because i do agree about SOME Christians being hyocrites.
Hypocrites.:)
" my Stepfather is Jamaican, my xboyfriend and best friend are Mexican (I assume if they took issue with any of my beliefs or believed me to be racist, they would have said so by now. They have all had 20 yrs to do it.),"
"SOME OF MY BEST FRIENDS ARE..."
From my comments at 9:24PM and 11:25PM last night, and my comment today at 3:30PM, you have determined that I'm a racist who makes excuses for myself and other racists, 7:06PM?
You are the most offensive, insulting, pressuming, most impossible to communicate with and the utmost thoroughly wrong person I have ever met. Of you that I have read (I believe, given the level of aggression and tone of so many comments), you convey no desire to want to understand people as they are in earnest. And no desire to truthfully help people and the world for the better. And yet in your comments you do your best to present the air of self-importance of someone who has done great things on behalf of people. Why are you here, 7:06? On a blog speaking of disgust of the wrongs done to people and the desire to change it said in the more focused comments? Whatever your answer or retort, given what I am now certain I have read of you, I will believe only that you are here to prove something you feel you need too, and to belittle, insult, humiliate and emotionally antagonize people you think you know and hate. You behave like this is some kind of competition and not what it was supposed to be, an open discussion (of which I had hoped some good ideas and solid plans would have come forward). Communicating with you is very sadly pointless. You do not know me. And I am very sorry that I wasted such time knowing you in this way. I will not respond to you again, which will give you ample opportunity to distort my comments further. But I leave you with this, you may greatly dislike it, 7:06etc., but I will pray for you. You should understand me now enough, despite your replies, to know why I would. May you all enjoy your evening.
, you have determined that I'm a racist who makes excuses for myself and other racists, 7:06PM?
Sadly, since they scream it, it makes it true:) I don't think they like to be prayed for either, because it's just not enough. Good night 8:40.^_~
" Of you that I have read (I believe, given the level of aggression and tone of so many comments), you convey no desire to want to understand people as they are in earnest."
Different anon here, but that sounds like what I've seen from you. Granted your way is more on the level of passive aggressive bullshit, but you are the most hyper reactive, defensive, presumptuous person I've seen here in a long while.
These people have provided half of GZ's defense for him. He can't be a racist. He couldn't have been racial profiling. He's a hipsanic POC who just was defending himself and his community from a little hoodie wearing thug.
A little 17 year old, black POC, hoodie wearing thug.
POC can't be racists. What a load of bullshit. Any race can produce racists. I've seen some excellent examples of racism here from people who would excuse or exclude any person of colored skin from racism.
If you are a human being you can be a racist.
End. Of. Story.
Who are you idiots? It's your type of only Europeans and the white devil can be racists logic that got Malcolm X and Martin Luther King Jr killed.
You are ones who don't want peace or equality. You just want to point fingers and blame. Guess what? We've all been victims at one time or another. Every race, every culture and every religion.
Jews were enslaved and crucified on crosses. Africans were mocked, enslaved and beaten. Christians of different beliefs were enslaved and tortured, mocked and banished from their homelands. Pagans were enslaved and tortured in unjust attempts to be reformed.
The atrocities on planet Earth have not been and are not being committed by any one race, religion, culture, heritage, sex, or creed. No logical person can point the finger in any one direction.
Not unless you're willing to look yourself in the mirror, point the finger at you and blame your race. The Human Race.
I absolutely agree with everything you said 12:15.
These privileged 21st century mother fuckers really grate my last grain. These people with their ipods, imacs, itunes, drones, berries, xboxes, playstations, gameboys and all that other fucking needless bullshit.
They spend 90 fucking dollars on the latest video game and try to sit back and deny their privilege? They have pools in their yards when children in Africa, the Middle East and even parts of the UK, Europe, Canada and America don't have clean drinking water?
I don't think so. If you can afford that bullshit and $200 Nikes or Reeboks, don't be talking to any body else about privilege. No matter the color of their skin.
You got one thing right. Privilege is a color. The color is green. The only race involved is the race to to the bank. To see who will deposit theirgreen first. Lately the Asians are winning that race.
A very wise person once told me to listen to what a person has to say but watch how they behave and treat other people, as that shows who they are.
12:34 is one of the very few reasonable, not biased people I've met here. It's somewhat of a shock.
That very wise person was very wise 12:37. Words can be deceiving. Action speaks nothing but truth.
I have my faults too 12:41, I have been intolerant and have said silly things on the occasion. I try to reflect as I find it gives me some perspective.
http://edmundstanding.wordpress.com/2010/07/30/white-liberals-and-politically-correct-racism/
"Guess what? We've all been victims at one time or another. Every race, every culture and every religion. "
This is a really, really, really typical excuse for defending your own racism. It's right up there with "But some of my best friends are" and "It's just a joke" and "but we have a black president now"
Saying "BUT WE'VE ALL BEEN OPPRESSED" is derailing and trivializing what people of color go through today. Sure, Celts were enslaved OVER TWO THOUSAND YEARS AGO.
"BUT BUT BUT! Irish and Italian people were discriminated against in the 30s!"
But they aren't now and they weren't enslaved. Eurpoean descended people have all the rights, and people of color are still struggling.
Really, every time you racists open your mouth, you just prove how racist you really are. Every. Single. Time.
WHITE PRIVILEGE: UNPACKING THE INVISIBLE KNAPSACK
But I still know you're not even going to read it. Because you don't want to. You don't want to know. You just want to remain ignorant and not have to think about your own racism.
It's there if you want to learn.
But you don't.
Here's a little something for MSI, MCR and Jessicka Adams.
This is Lesley Arfin crowing about the majestic power of the n-word, and white kids whining that it's "unfair" that black people "get" to use "it". You know, because words are powerful and words are Arfin's craft and would you take the color red away from the best painter on Twitter??? And besides, don't you just find Arfin to be so RAW and DELICIOUSLY NAUGHTY? It's all tied up with the deliberately obtuse people who conflate "freedom of speech" with "immunity from criticism." You "can" say the n-word. Go ahead and say it if you want, Skrillex. And I will go ahead and give you the world's most sidewaysiest eyeball forever. Because it hurts people. Why do you want to hurt people?
4. "God, Don't White People Suck?"
Okay, I get what you're trying to do here—having some fun at the expense of the oppressors while setting yourself up as one of the "cool" white people—but mainly what you end up doing is implying that black people don't like informative radio or TED talks. Stuff White People Like: having the best brains! Isn't it great that we can make fun of ourselves while still reminding you that we're better than you?
And the thing is, when these things get called out, there really is no defense. But they try:
"No, don't you see? I'm just showing how I'm so down with [minority group] that it's totally cool for me to make jokes at their expense. Because we are just that kind of tight bros now."
No. You cannot unlock some secret double-not-racist achievement by just being regular racist. Otherwise Bill O'Reilly would be president of the NAACP.
Jimmy Urine actually pulled the "But I can say it because I hate white people!" thing in that clip.
Doesn't get much more "hipster racist" than these assclowns.
It's nice to know Lindsey's fine with the use of the N word. Maybe she's teaching it to Bandit.
I bet she's also teaching her to crack jokes about touring in countries just devastated by natural disasters too. What a rounded, sympathetic child she'll be, just like her mother!
I love how Ray is trying to pretend he cares about the people of Japan while Lindsey is just like 'fuck them LOL!!11!'
I still can't believe she said that shit. What a fucking nasty witch. I hope Bandit grows up to look down on her parent's disgusting racism and sexism, and is her own person, a better person than them!
It will never be okay to refer to me as your nigger because I’m not your nigger. No matter how many black-owned restaurants, clubs, businesses or black women or men you date, calling me your nigger will never be okay.
What disturbs me more about white people wanting to use the word is how ambivalent these people seem to be towards the history of this destructive and oppressive (yes, I said it; WHAT?!) terminology. They seem to haven’t a clue on how nigger originated and how it was incorporated into Jim Crow, de facto and de jure segregation as methods of keeping black people as second-class citizens. They seem to be unaware of how common it was for white people to casually refer to black people–including the ones that cooked, cleaned and took care of their children–as niggers.
The audacity of a white person wanting to call me and other folks niggers is another example of how many whites use their position of power and privilege to delve into blackness without understanding the multi-faceted responsibility of being black in the Western world and the burden of defending blackness in a society that shuns it. Wanting to call me nigger does not demonstrate to me how “down” you are with me and my community’s struggles. It shows you want to have a superficial relationship and understanding of me and black folks in general.
A white person wanting to refer to me as their nigger allows him or her to flaunt their white privilege by dropping the term at their pleasure or whenever it suits them (mainly when they believe it will make them seem less threatening to the black community). It shows a white person’s inability to grasp how white privilege allows him or her to use black people and blackness as objects meant to entertain them and the masses.
http://newblackwoman.com/2011/06/13/can-white-people-use-the-n-word/
MSI take note. You are not being edgy or clever or smart or ironic. You are being racist. You, your friends, your supporters and your family are being racist. No excuses.
http://www.hiphopmusic.com/archives/000759.html
RACIST, LINDSEY. YOU ARE RACIST. "Fuck the tsunami. Who cares?"
Jessicka, do you approve of this? Do you find this funny, or replusive? Why are you friends with this trash? Oh right, because you're racist too!
Jessicka went to see MSI live. She likes seeing racist bands.
What's actually complicated is our country's relationship with race, and our utter ineptitude at talking about it. We suck. I mean, I work on it every day, and I'm still a total fuck-up. But this new scheme someone came up with—where we prove we're not racist by acting as casually racist as possible? Not our best, white people. Not our best.
http://jezebel.com/5905291/a-complete-guide-to-hipster-racism
TAKE NOTE, LINDSEY. Racist hag!
Great link, 10:58!
April 27, 2012 10:40 AM
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April 27, 2012 10:51 AM
Until we have a video on Youtube of the kid saying racist slurs, leave her the fuck out of it. She's innocent. Don't even bring her up to accessorize a point.
Hiya guys, how are you all?
For instance, my friend and I always call each other "Hey bitch!" If a man greeted me like that, though, he'd be wearing his nuts as earrings. AND, what's more, if he had the gall to tell me "You shouldn't talk like that, it shows lack of self respect," he'd get a smack round the mush for telling me what's best for me.
I get what you are saying K, but I just don't think any one group of people can have a monopoly on words. Words are words. I do think though that to a certain extent it makes things worse with the manner in which words are used, the context. To me, in that situation, I'd be pissed off that a bloke had insulted me but not because he'd used the word bitch. He's just as much right as a woman to use it. I'd be just as pissed if he'd called me a cow. An insult it an insult.
Anonymous said...
Don't be hating on MissT just because she is European and her opinion on racism differs from yours.
Thanks Anon. I don't feel hated on though, it's just a difference of opinion, but you are right about one thing, I guess I never thought about how being on different continents changes our view too. I guess what I'm trying to say is that some words are just bad whoever says them and I try to treat everyone the same so to me it feels wrong for bad words to be used by anyone, for example black people calling others Niggers. I don't think it's fair though for one group of people to say we'll use this word but you can't.
Here's another example of our differences. The Zimmerman case. I guess all you guys in America are looking at this story and talking about the racial aspect. Whereas in Europe we see the story, and the race of the people involved doesn't really come into it. We are talking about this being a great example of why guns should be illegal. It's not the racial issue which jumps out at us but the gun ownership issue.
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Blacks cannot be institutionally racist against whites, but they can certainly harbor prejudices against them. Given their history of enslavement and repression, I think they have reason to feel that way.
This is a much different arguement and a lot more indepth. I wasn't really getting into the whole history of racism thing. I just don't hold the view of people having a monopoly over certain words being OK. My point is that if a word offends a group of people so much, why use it themselves. If I found the words "big fat fucking c*nt" offensive, I certainly wouldn't use them and then say that I was using them as a term of endearment and friendship with my friends but am not prepared to tolerate others using them. That's what I can't get my head around.
I think maybe in Europe we do have differing racial issues to you guys on the other side of the pond. Race is a huge issue for you guys and history must play an important part in that as it was a bad history. It was the British Royal Navy which brought an end to slavery around the world and to us the history is in the past, we've been treating people equally for a long time now so the old history is not something we dredge up when talking about colour. Therefore, people here don't hear words and think about the history of that race of person and why they might be using it, we just know that some words are bad and shouldn't be used by anyone but if a group of people keep bringing that word back into common usage, there's no arguement for not letting everyone use it.
It's like my arguement with the word spastic. Back in the 70's this was a common word for people with disabilities. Nobody would dream of using this word now. There is no arguement which says that disabled people can call it to themselves but able boddied people cannot use it, that's daft, it's a bad word in anyone's books. But it's no different from the one group of people being able to use the word n*gger and others not. You cannot have rules over words irrelevant of history. Maybe the history of race is more important on your side of the pond because you don't have much history so it's more recent to you, whereas we have tons of history so it's much more easy to brush stuff aside and say "that's in the past" cos we've had a LOT of past and one lot of past is much like another lot of past.
And on the subject of words being free to be used by all, Kapunua has every right to call people idiots as it's a word that's free to all and people have the right to call her rude for the same reason. Sometimes it's good to get passionate about a disscusion. Kapunua is a very passionate person and I'm sure that like me, that's why many people enjoy reading her. But a lot of people find her rude because she is outspoken. I think that this is always going to happen and I don't think kapunua is losing any sleep over it. I think that if someone has a problem with Kapunua and they voice it, cool. But she will not change her point because she stands by her convictions. I think everyone recognises this so it's nothing for people to argue about. Passionate discussions are cool but when it changes to arguements and people start to get personal, it all goes to shit.
Cue arguement *ducks thrown objects*
But I do not think that anyone on this blog has been advocating anything rasict, sexist biggoted etc. Just a good old fashioned discussion and it's interesting to see people's views. To me it's interesting to see what aspect jumps out at people the most about this topic and how being in different countries gives you different viewpoints.
Thank you everyone for making me think. For example, you guys have a more black, white, hispanic, latino mix of issues whereas in Europe we have a more black, white, asian mix of issues. It's very educating to see how things differ and you guys have really made me think so thank you.
Basically, I just think that although I believe all words are up for anyone to use, maybe people should think more about what context they are trying to get across and whether certain words are really neccessary or whether you are going to piss people off royally with them and you are just really being sad and using them for shock tactics.
Be nice to each other.
Hiya Miss T, nice to read you here again. One thing that you didn't address that I'm still wondering where you stand.
My point is that if a word offends a group of people so much, why use it themselves.
And my point to that is, that oppressed people are already oppressed, so for me, or anyone in a position of privilege to tell them how they can or cannot refer to themselves is so far beyond wrong, oppressive, and condescending that I just can't even fathom it.
You have the right to not want to use words that you consider insults towards yourself or your friends. But to tell people in an oppressed position how they should speak is wrong.
The N word has different connotations to them than it does to us. If a person of color chooses to use that word amongst his or her friends, that's a personal choice and does not hold the amount of historical oppression as when a white person does it.
In fact a few of the links provided here, mostly written by people of color, explain exactly why that is.
This blog should be called Clown Central.
Until we have a video on Youtube of the kid saying racist slurs, leave her the fuck out of it. She's innocent. Don't even bring her up to accessorize a point.
I agree with you. Some of these people stoop to the lowest level to support their arguments.
Jessicka went to see MSI live. She likes seeing racist bands.
Can you substantiate your statement 11:05 am?
Kapunua, you had email exchanges with Jessicka, one of the 'tribe' in your opinion. Why not expose those emails so we can truly see where these assholes stand?
If she's such a racist asshole sexist piece of shit, why not expose her emails?
Did anybody even see or hear that Jessicka went to the MSI show?
I didn't.
Because emails are private.
Until we have a video on Youtube of the kid saying racist slurs, leave her the fuck out of it. She's innocent. Don't even bring her up to accessorize a point.
Yet we have evidence of her mother being an unapologetic racist, and her father threatening to beat up a woman until he kills her. It's not unreasonable to assume that parents will raise a child with similar values and morals to their own. No, it's not happened yet. But it could. Such casual racism and sexism is generational, and those attitudes are passed down from parent to child. Which is sad, because no one gets to choose who their parents are. I hope Bandit is not the sort of woman her mother is, or the sort of person who thinks threatening to 'smash the face' of a woman until she 'dies slow' is acceptable. Time will tell, but until then, there is nothing wrong with voicing a legitimate concern given the evidence relating to her parents on youtube or twitter.
Can you substantiate your statement 11:05 am?
I saw some teenie gassing on twitter about possibly spotting Jessicka at the LA show. Now, it wasn't me who saw her, but until Jessicka comes out and says 'no, I didn't go, and I wouldn't go because I don't like seeing racist bands', then as far as I am concerned, she supported her BFF and went along. She follows them all around and hangs out with them. She has spoken about supporting her friend's 'music career'. She can end the speculation with one tweet. Until then, it's not unreasonable to assume she was there.
As for the emails (which as Kapunua has told you, are not for publication here), the comments that Kapunua made about them displayed that Jessicka whitewashes her friend's racism and sexism as 'not as bad as some other people' and therefore continues to defend it through inaction and silence. She really cannot claim the high ground on this one. She is still friends with a person who has no issue with her band using the N word, mocks the death of dead Japanese people as fodder for her sick jokes, and performs songs about five year olds being raped by pedophiles. If Jessicka wants people to have an opinion of her which is different to her being a supporter of such things too, she needs to re-evaluate her circles.
Seeing as she is going after Jeffree Star on twitter for being a racist, she seems like she is one huge hypocrite.
This blog should be called Clown Central.
And MCRSI should be called Casual Hipster Racist Central, along with Jessicka! She can end this all with one tweet. Where does she stand? She has the power to end some of this support of racists by teenagers too dumb to care.
One question: why is Jeffree Star not allowed to use racial slurs or mock the suffering of POC, but MSI and Lindsey Way are?
Because when her friends do it and people call them out, those 'critical bullies' need to drop the subject and concentrate on the 'bigger problems' in the world. When someone she doesn't like does it, it's a twitter vendetta!
GAME ON!
The saying goes: you are what you hang with. Jessicka should be familiar with that one, methinks.
You know, if I wanted to distance myself from racists, I sure as hell wouldn't spend so much time with them...
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