I personally don't think that anon owed anybody an apology, but hey, at least she did apologize-unlike some people who have caused offense and refuse to acknowledge it.
Yeah, like Frank, Sarah Little and MSI who knowingly use racial slurs for attention and shock value and then get defensive about their 'right' to use them when called out.
This is off topic, but does anyone else think Brad Pitt is being an ass towards Jennifer Aniston by hinting she was "dull" in their marriage? I mean, it's bad enough he cheated on her with Angelina, but does he really have to behave like this seven years after their divorce? Especially since she seems happy with her new man. I think it was totally uncalled for.
Didn't he since state his comments were taken out of context or something? IDK, but talking about your ex-relationships to the press is hella tacky. Have some class!
Jessicka is posting more photos of her with her Panty Shot Fuck the tsunami friend. You are what you hang with, Jessicka. Keep defending the wannabe woman beater while you're at it!
You are taking them too seriously. They are just people in the entertainment industry trying to get attention so they can sell their work. Nothing more.
I am not not naive. Nor do I care if you think I am. I like FACTS not web suspicions and blog assumptions. Somebody please back me up here. This is really getting ridiculous. So what? She posts a photo with her friend. I use instagram and I post photos with my friends all the time. I'm not doing it to get a reaction. No matter what she does one of you is going to say something negative. It's so dumb and boring.
Thanks 7:06! I don't have cable, though. I just kinda sometimes get Netflix streaming. ^_^ And I was thinking Torchwood 'cause it's connected with Dr. Who and such. :) I'd love to see Boardwalk Empire though, because isn't Steve Buscemi in that? Or am I thinking of something else?
And no matter what anyone tries to educate Jessicka about, she will deflect, derail and avoid. She's supposed to be a feminist, yet turns a blind eye and excuses her friend's sexism and threats of violence against women. She sounds more like a desperate hanger-on than a feminist to me.
Sadly these people are supporting a rape culture, which I find serious. When we have an 'army' of teenage girls thinking it's okay for their boyfriends to hit them because Gerard made them think they sometimes might deserve it, we have a problem.
Kapunua, Torchwood is okay. The first two series had one or two episodes that alluded to DW. The five episode, third series, Children of Earth was very good and sets a more dark tone for the fourth series Miracle Day. If you keep watching Doctor Who you'll eventually come across a Captain Jack story line that will blow your mind. :)
Sadly these people are supporting a rape culture, which I find serious. When we have an 'army' of teenage girls thinking it's okay for their boyfriends to hit them because Gerard made them think they sometimes might deserve it, we have a problem.
You'd think Jesscika would be concerned about this too, but clearly she's more concerned with remaining within the Way clique than defending any of her supposed feminist causes.
Speaking out against Gerard takes courage, and Jessicka doesn't have courage. She's a sheep. She'd rather have all the girls who look up to her and Lindsey think it's fine to have a husband/boyfriend who threatens to punch women and little girls.
Yup! I haven't made a ton of stuff lately though. I just did a re-rec video, and really that's been about all for the last few weeks. ^_^ Gotta get back into that.
But HitRECord's first anthology just came out and I bought that! It is very awesome. :)
"I am not not naive. Nor do I care if you think I am. I like FACTS not web suspicions and blog assumptions. Somebody please back me up here. This is really getting ridiculous. So what? She posts a photo with her friend. I use instagram and I post photos with my friends all the time. I'm not doing it to get a reaction. No matter what she does one of you is going to say something negative. It's so dumb and boring."
It is getting dumb. On the Bob being on twitter, I haven't really been following it so is their any real proof it's him?
Speaking out against Gerard takes courage, and Jessicka doesn't have courage. She's a sheep. She'd rather have all the girls who look up to her and Lindsey think it's fine to have a husband/boyfriend who threatens to punch women and little girls.
Oh please!
Jessicka in not a sheep. She's done a lot for many young girl's self esteem in the 15 years. Sorry if that's not enough for you. She's no Mother Teresa but she's no Countess Elizabeth Bathory either. There is a huge gray area between the two. I think that's where many people fit in.
Aren't you a coward Anonymous person on blogger? What have you done to help your fellow person today? Slagging somebody off you don't know Anonymously on a blog doesn't make you brave. It makes you pathetic.
There's no evidence that Jessicka even speaks to Gerard only Lyn-z. Gerard is on tour is he not? He was on tour when said twitter incident happened. There is no evidence that Jessicka has or hasn't said something to Gerard in private only speculation because nothing has been said publicly. Like many have said already, it would be stupid for Jessicka to say anything publicly to Gerard not because of her image or because she's a coward but because the legions of ignorant MCR tweens wouldn't understand that point. They would defend Gerard and make any point she was making look like an attack or a lie. Who wants to waste time arguing online with 12 year olds when you can go to the source in private.
Until anybody can dispute any of this with fact not speculation and fortune cookie internet logic I think we can move on to a more interesting topic.
Aren't you a coward Anonymous person on blogger? What have you done to help your fellow person today? Slagging somebody off you don't know Anonymously on a blog doesn't make you brave. It makes you pathetic.
Anon has nothing to do with anything. It does not make my opinions any less valid. Stop trying to make excuses for the fact that she's clearly, from what we've learned about her opinions on the C*nt tweet in the last two weeks, happy to 'agree to disagree' on the subject of her friend's gross misogynism.
Also, you are so eager to get us to 'move on' from Jessicka. I wonder why that is? Perhaps it's because her whitewashing of her friend's promotion of rape and violence against women isn't really fitting in with her 'feminist' image?
Jessicka's behavior is questionable at best. Yes she has done good work for feminism but she seems unable to apply her own morals and logic this time because she is too close to the wrong sort of people. She has publicly defended Lindsey as someone 'who deserves no hate' and told people to 'concentrate on bigger problems' which trivializes the fucked-up nature of what her friend's engage in (Panty Shot, #smashedface etc). She's no devil but she really is falling short of the feminist she claims to be on so many fronts.
Jessicka sold any morals she had years ago for fame and her LA lifestyle, which sadly involves sucking up to misogynist wannabe-woman beaters like Gerard Way on a daily basis.
Are you saying that if someone tweeted her and told her they'd like to smash her face in, just because she called them out for using sexist slurs, she'd probably be fine with it? Of course she wouldn't be. She would blog, tweet and talk about it to raise awareness and try and stamp it out. But Gerard does it to a fellow woman, and she turns a blind eye? Remains loyal to him and his racist rape-promoting wife? She has a really serious double standard going on.
LMAO if she'd said anything to him, she'd be shunned, blacklisted and certainly not still hanging out with his equally deluded and offensive 'rock stah' wife.
Who's LynZ going to pick if comes to choosing between Gerard and Jessicka? It's a no brainer, she'll pick her husband, after all that LA lifestyle doesn't pay for itself.
I sense Jessicka cares very much for LynZ, so she won't jeopardise that relationship by hurting her BF's husbands fragile male ego.
I remember that someone one here had posted a link to one of Jessicka's tweets she had sent the same day Gerard sent his smashedface tweets. It was Mixed emotions. Self-analysis and deep consideration. We cannot control how friends act - even if we strongly disagree.
Of course, people here could argue if it even was about Gerard, but I think it's pretty obvious and as we can all see she refers to him as a friend.
The question is why she had to mention this at all if she doesn't want to get involved? Without mentioning Gerard in this tweet people who might follow her but don't know (or care) about her connection with the Ways won't know what this tweet refers to, so it has no meaning to them and she could have spared herself the effort. However, for the ones who know the connection she might as well have mentioned his name and she would have looked not as cowardous as she does with that lukewarm attempt of trying to take a stand.
I can glean enough from what a certain person has revealed here to suspect with good reason that Jessicka has cowardly sided with Misogynist Way and his dense wife.
No, because I feel that this topic has been beaten to DEATH! You don't like her, WE all get it. You say she isn't a feminist, she claims she is. A feminist, for fifteen years. Way before she had anything to do with the stupid MCR camp. Must we continue with all this speculation & examining every twitter photo she posts.
Stop trying to make excuses for the fact that she's clearly, from what we've learned about her opinions on the C*nt tweet in the last two weeks, happy to 'agree to disagree' on the subject of her friend's gross misogynism.
I don't think that is what WE learned. I think it only caused more speculation.
You don't have to stay if you don't like the conversation here. If you want to stay, stop telling people what they can or cannot talk about. I'd like to point out that you have ZERO proof that she's done jack shit to counter her FRIENDS attitude and misogyny. She seems more interested in defending him via email.
It's sad that her involvement with the MCR camp is enough to make her abandon the fight. She is vocal on nearly every other subject. The woman is a fraud. Face it.
It was Mixed emotions. Self-analysis and deep consideration. We cannot control how friends act - even if we strongly disagree.
Of course, people here could argue if it even was about Gerard, but I think it's pretty obvious and as we can all see she refers to him as a friend.
Siobhan, Not everybody is so obsessed with Gerard Way his tweets, his merry band of idiots, & fans. Jessicka from what I can see has a life outside the MCR camp.
None of know what that tweet was about. Do we? Do you 100% know for sure? Wasn't days or a week later????
After years of being a feminist and role model for young girls I find it truly laughable that her friendship with Lyn-z has caused all of this backlash and speculation about her motives after 15 years.
And again, I have seen not interaction between Jessicka & Gerard publicly so by all accounts I "sense" they aren't friends. Perhaps only friendly in social gatherings.
I can have my opinions and suspicions but it's a fact that Gerard threatened to punch a woman, and a fact that Jessicka has always, always been vocal and outspoken about such shitty behavior from men. Where is her outrage and protest now? Why does she stay silent and watch as thousands of teenage girls, who may become the very victims of such violence, defend him mindlessly?
She chooses to 'scold' everyone else. Why not him? Why does he have some sort of force field around him that prevents her from speaking out to all the people he's offending with his threats of violence and sexist slurs?
She needs to sell her shitty paintings to someone. MCR fans will eat up any crap that's got a six degree connection to Lord Way the wannabe woman beater.
Jessicka said, "I hope this isn't a 'bait and switch' tactic to get me to discuss certain friendships" or something like that when Kapunua mentioned the C word tweets...
"And again, I have seen not interaction between Jessicka & Gerard publicly so by all accounts I "sense" they aren't friends. Perhaps only friendly in social gatherings."
That's your opinion and you are entitled to it. I personally don't give a rats ass if she is friends with Gerard. The FACT is, she claims herself to be a FEMINIST, and her close friends husband threatened to smash a woman's face in-if that isn't enough to piss off your inner feminist, I don't know what is.
You sound like Jessicka, or a really pressed Jessicka fan. It's a shame you can't just accept that Gerard fucked up, and that it reflects badly on the people silently holding court around him and enabling his misogynistic bullshit.
She needs to sell her shitty paintings to someone. MCR fans will eat up any crap that's got a six degree connection to Lord Way the wannabe woman beater.
More speculation. I like her art. At least she does something. I'd rather have a women spend her day making art then waste time bitching anonymously on blog.
Oh, I don't think it's a waste of my time. More and more people are coming here and finding a connection with what we are saying. More and more people are realizing they don't have to swallow MCRSI's sexism and racism. That's not a waste of my time. At all.
I don't give a fuck about their 'spiral', career, or how many drummers they can get through. I care about them dressing sexism and violent misogyny as 'art' to a bunch of girls too enthralled to know any better. I care about a racist, talentless idiot pretending that it's 'feminism' and her bloated husband thinking it's okay to hit women. That's what I care about, and want to speak out against.
I personally find the fact that Jessicka is friends with a woman who perfoms songs like Panty Shot much more troubling. That song is a Rape Culture anthem right there. In fact most of MSI's music is like that...
You are taking them too seriously. They are just people in the entertainment industry trying to get attention so they can sell their work. Nothing more.
The #dieslow tweet still makes me sick to this very day. It brings all the horrible images of women's who've been murdered by men into my mind. It brings that horrible photo of Rihanna into my mind. It brings the images of a thousand black eyes and broken noses into my mind, and worse. It's no fucking joke, or something to be ignored. That sort of attitude from a man is downright dangerous.
You are an idiot to suggest that anyone is taking somethink like violence by men against women 'too seriously'. Do you think people took Chris Brown 'too seriously' when he flipped?
She actually didn't answer her. Read Kapunua's comments about how she was vague and 'agreed to disagree', then failed to answer when Kapunua asked her exactly what she was disagreeing with. Gerard said those things and there is no taking them back.
Right, so nothing Jessicka says or does should be 'taken seriously' since she's in the entertainment business? So by that logic, you can't come here and get pressed as hell that we don't consider her silence and siding with the enemy - pleading for him to be 'treated like a human' despite him expressing a desire to murder women - as the behavior of a feminist or someone with an intrest in women's rights and safety.
Sign your comments with your full RL name. Or don't. But stop pretending 'being anon' weakens anyone's point.
Thank you.
Everyone is "anon" on the internet, unless you're putting your real name out there. Just because you give yourself some fake name doesn't make you any more real than the people who post as Anonymous.
Everyone is "anon" on the internet, unless you're putting your real name out there. Just because you give yourself some fake name doesn't make you any more real than the people who post as Anonymous.
I didn't post that DV quote. That was one of your own trying to frame this discussion nice and neat. I don't find DV funny at all. I also don't hate Jessicka. Crazy, I know!
Honestly, I find the lyrics that Lindsey dances around to on stage, pretending to play bass guitar, just as troubling, if not more, than Gerard's behavior. Actually, it all comes down to the same thing: violence against women, violence against children (especially little girls,) objectification and sexualization of little girls (both "Panty Shot" and Gerard's "f*** yourselves, JUST the ladies," etc.)
They're really not all that different.
To me, you don't even have to be friend with Gerard to get called out. Lindsey and her ridiculously hateful lyrics do just as fine a job of oppression.
I see absolutely no difference between MSI's lyrics, Frank's coat hanger joke, Gerard's #dieslow & #smashedface, and the 'joke' that got posted here about women with black eyes.
Thing is, someone like Jessicka (and many MCR fans) would throw a fit over that joke, while laughing at (or at the very least ignoring or making excuses for) MSI's lyrics and Frank and Gerard's behavior.
So my question is, why make exceptions for people you like?
After years of being a feminist and role model for young girls I find it truly laughable that her friendship with Lyn-z has caused all of this backlash and speculation about her motives after 15 years
She seems to be very friendly with the Urines, Apart from MCR, Lynz and her have known each other far longer. I don't understand how she can be close friends with these people with the type of lyrics they presented and claim to be an advocate of what she believes in without it causing a major form of internal conflict. To an outsider it appears very contradictory.
Maybe someone should post a link of Panty Shot to her via Twitter? I'd like to see what she thinks of it.
As if she doesn't know about this song already and even if she doesn't she would only dismiss it as a song satirizing society's handling/neglect of this issue and that MSI only want to draw attention to it by using shock tactics to make people think and talk about it.
They all know each other and I bet they all know each other's 'art'. They're like-minded people. They think that we are too stupid to understand their 'art'.
If you ever have the chance to watch the first few seconds of their definitive song PS, you notice that the group is chanting anal sex before they start playing it. So much for 'making people think'.
Of course, the crowd doesn't get it and how could they if the whole band never claimed to perform any of those discriminatory and pedophelia-glorifying songs to raise awareness to start a discourse among people and make them question their own behavior? Only since MCR came into the picture they started to pretend as if their songs were social commentary to what's wrong in this world and Lindsey all of a sudden transformed into a feminist by getting married to Gerard and being friends with Jessicka. Not to forget that horrendous interview with Brigitte(?) from MCR's very own PR broadcast TasteitTV in which she like, like, like-ed herself through the interview pulling things out of her ass to try to make herself look like the new Kathleen Hanna.
My favorite part of that debacle was the "OMG like, some of those rap lyrics are, like, SO, like, hateful towards women! They are like SO violent and I can't like even listen to them! But our own lyrics like, don't even bother me. Huh."
If you really want to have a laugh you should read the comments on NewAgeAmazon's buzznet blog.
Here are some gems for you:
Just look at who he is married to for heavens sake - NO WAY does LynZ strike me as the sort of woman who would stand back and say nothing if her hubby was posting out stuff like that!
Don't see how you can call him misogynistic, especially when you consider who he is married to - Lynz wouldn't assossiate with a misogynist, she is very vocal when it comes to 'girl power'
And I'm sure if he's married to Lindsey of MSI, a huge feminist, he wouldn't be some lying jerk. I seriously still think it was the hacker or someone else just trying to make him look like a shithead.
A HUGE FEMINIST!!!!!!!!
...but I'm sure that he's not trying to be some woman-hater because he's been talking about his respect for women for years and years. Kinda hard to fake it for years and years and then fanboy over your wife in every interview that she's mentioned in (quite a lot, not to mention his wife is a feminist herself).
I think part of the problem today is pretty much every woman in the public eye comes out and says she's a "feminist". They probably think it's cool, but in reality know nothing about the subject. LynZ strikes me as one of those woman.
I'm also really, really irked--obviously--when people grab onto words that actually have a meaning, and claim to be those words when they are the opposite. You know, Lindsey calling herself a feminist.
That's like if I went, "Oh, I'm a mermaid. No, I know I don't have a fish tail or live in the ocean. But I'm a mermaid. Because I said so. That's what 'mermaid' means to me, okay?"
I just read a really good article in Time Magazine about JGL. It has nothing but good things to say about him. It talks about him being talented, educated, articulate, etc., but still sensitive and accessible. It also says something about him being like James Franco, if James Franco wasn't so weird. Lol.
Anyway, I thought it was kind of cool, because I didn't expect to see an article about him in Time. :)
He is very bright, which shows not only in the way he expresses himself in interviews, but also in the roles he chooses. His body of work is pretty damn amazing, and since Inception and Summer, he's getting some really choice roles. I'm very happy for him.
Guys, I just got the most awesome message on Twitter. Like, pretty much ever.
@shonagon_chan I don't think I've thanked you for having a tumblr that got me thinking hard about feminism for the first time #sothx
I had noticed her posting a lot of feminist stuff, and had reblogged a lot of her links myself. I just figured she had always felt that way. I had no idea that my Tumblr was responsible for that. Especially since a lot of it has to do with the representation of women in the media - like, certain assheaded rock stars and such.
How many messages like that do you think Jessicka Adams has received in the 15 years she's been promoting feminism and equal rights? Don't discredit her and the good she's done just because you don't like some of her friends or agree with all of her ideas. None of you should blot out the fact that she has done good for years just because you don't like her choice of friends or associates.
Don't discredit her and the good she's done just because you don't like some of her friends or agree with all of her ideas.
1) This goes beyond "don't like some of her friends." There are plenty of people I just plain don't like. Not all of those people, however, are raging misogynists who support violence against women and call it "feminism" just because they want to be trendy. Don't sit there and make it seem like these are people who just cut me off driving this morning. We're talking about a 10 year + history of heavy contributions to rape culture, here.
2) What ideas are these?
3) And you see, that's what makes it so dangerous. Allowing people to think that because you say "I'm a feminist. Here, have some links to prove it," but meanwhile, supporting a band that so blatantly hates on women? That is so insidious. It's kind of going to McDonalds and eating a great big beef patty every day, and then telling people, "Yeah, but I'm totally a vegetarian. That's what vegetarians do," and having a large enough fan-base that they believe you.
I think that pretty much sums up what happens when we try to call out these douchebags in MSIMCR on their racism and sexism.
Other than the feminist/human rights stuff, my Tumblr is pretty much stuff about Dr. Who, pics of animals, Tom Hardy, science stuff, HitRECord, and Criminal Minds. ;D
kapunua my point is: what is the point of trying to discredit Jessicka, when it is clear to me that she has good intentions when it comes to feminism, fat phobia, & gay rights? 15 years of fighting the good fight and then this woman is discredited because of her associations with certain yahoos?
This is just silly.
Again, we have no idea what her relationships are like with these people or what she says to them in private.
I've seen more insults hurled at her then at woman - hating Gerard Way or racist Frank. It's not right.
kapunua, You had a an email conversation with her and judging from how outspoken you are on most things, I suspect you found her decent. If not I suspect you would have ripped her a new one here or on your blog.
It is clear to me by several tweets she's posted that she does not listen to MCR or MSI. She's over 30, why would she? It is music for ignorant tweens.
I think of it this way: I have a friend in a black metal band. I don't like his music or go to his shows. He may very well sing songs about satan & goat heads. He also hands out ASPCA literature after his shows. Funny thing, he & I are both Vegetarians.
This juxtaposition makes me like him more. Because I know him and know that what he does on stage is not who he is. He would never hurt an animal never mind eat one.
In saying this, I want to say I don't like Gerard Way. I think his smash face comment was disgusting but I have no need to tweet him telling him how much of a dick he is. I'm sure he knows and does not care.
And lastly, no one addresses this. Why would a grown woman like Jessicka publicly humiliate Gerard for his behavior knowing fair well it would do nothing except stir up teenage MCR fans? She would take it up with him in private, at least that is what I would do.
Everything you are all accusing her of are assumptions, nothing more.
Via twitter, she points these idiot kids in the direction of feminist authors, gay rights websites, art and media that they would not discover on their own listening to MCR.
"How many messages like that do you think Jessicka Adams has received in the 15 years she's been promoting feminism and equal rights"
Exactly, she's trying to do good and maybe it will rub off on others.
The fact is that Jessicka should know better. She claims Gerard and Lindsey should be 'treated like human beings' yet she doesn't seem to afford the same respect to the rape/tsunami victims Lindsey mocks or the women Gerard threatens to punch. Why should they not be treated like human beings? Where is her outspoken feminism then? She hides her criticism of those she likes away behind closed doors and this is a failure on her part. If she spoke up then sure, she'd take heat for it. But my god would it send out a message.
I don't think she got defensive. She knew that kapunua had something to get of her chest and then allowed her to do so. How is that defensive or hiding anything?
I'll be honest, I'm finding this Jessicka debate boring now. To me she is a nobody who has a semi-famous best friend and leeches off their "fame". Can we discuss something else now?
And to me she's a person who has fronted two successful underground bands, makes cool art, and educates young girls about fat phobia, being kinder to each other, gay rights, and feminism.
The whole association thing/semi-famous- leeches of fame?????, shows how truly ignorant you are. What a shitty "male" thing to type. It is a shame.
Her silence appears to contradict her otherwise vocal opinions. It makes her look fake and shallow, which to be friends with a wannabe woman beater and his racist wife, she must be.
kapunua my point is: what is the point of trying to discredit Jessicka, when it is clear to me that she has good intentions when it comes to feminism, fat phobia, & gay rights? 15 years of fighting the good fight and then this woman is discredited because of her associations with certain yahoos?
How in the HELL is my posting that someone thanked me for my Tumblr "discrediting Jessicka?" Are you insane?
It is clear to me by several tweets she's posted that she does not listen to MCR or MSI. She's over 30, why would she? It is music for ignorant tweens.
I don't listen to them either. But I'm aware of their hateful message.
I think of it this way: I have a friend in a black metal band. I don't like his music or go to his shows. He may very well sing songs about satan & goat heads. He also hands out ASPCA literature after his shows. Funny thing, he & I are both Vegetarians.
This juxtaposition makes me like him more.
So you're saying that you like MSI/MCR more because they are "actually feminists" but they sing about/promote degrading women, and violence?
Umm. Okay.
Because I know him and know that what he does on stage is not who he is. He would never hurt an animal never mind eat one.
The lyrics they write and the things they say do hurt women. Your comparison is a poor one.
And again, because I think you're going to ignore this question: How in the goddamn piss-hell was my post about my Tumblr "discrediting Jessicka?" Are we a bit defensive?
And again, because I think you're going to ignore this question: How in the goddamn piss-hell was my post about my Tumblr "discrediting Jessicka?" Are we a bit defensive?
I was not saying your Tumblr was discrediting Jessicka. I said discrediting here on THIS blog because of speculation was stupid!
Jessicka's silence and inablity to speak ill of her friend's hateful behavior is doing real damage. Thousands of little teenage girls think men hitting women is fine, because 'Gerard says he'll do it, so it must be, right?' You'd think that would concern Jessicka more than protecting herself. She has NEVER worried about what people would say back to her feminist opinions, until now. That makes her look shallow, fake, weak, and almost as bad as the people she tries to defend. 'Treat them like humans' she asks. I'll start when they stop acting like animals.
So your friend sings about wanting to rape five year old girls too? Does he get on facebook and threaten to smack women around because he's had a bad day?
"And to me she's a person who has fronted two successful underground bands, makes cool art, and educates young girls about fat phobia, being kinder to each other, gay rights, and feminism.
To me she's a person who makes mediocre art, attempts to educate people young girls about fat phobia, etc, but then hangs out with people who do the exact opposite of that.
Do you know what we call people like that, anon?
HYPOCRITES.
"The whole association thing/semi-famous- leeches of fame?????, shows how truly ignorant you are. What a shitty "male" thing to type. It is a shame."
Lol, so now I'm a sexist? Okay, if it makes you feel better.
As long as you're not a personal friend or even Jessicka herself everything you state about her is speculation as well. So why is everything you say something we should believe and consider but everything we say is total nonsense? You sound exactly like the people who say that everything that shows Gerard in a less than positive light is not to be taken seriously since we don't know him personally but all the good things that are being said about him are completely true although the people who say those things don't know him personally either.
Also, I think as long as people here are stating their opininon and declare them as such without claiming that they're facts everyone here has the right to say what they want.
Up until now being a feminist is simply not a pleasant existence. You should be aware that people will be pissed off about your statements. If that's too much for you and if you're scared of being the target of stupid and/or severely misguided people then you should probably keep all your feminist views to yourself because it doesn't help the cause at all if you're only preaching to the converted and don't dare to speak out against the ones who have the power to influence impressionable kids and adults to say and do really stupid things.
She mentions Gerard on twitter when she does her 'talk to me tuesdays' and people ask her questions about him such as 'is Gerard straight?' Anyone with sense would just ignore the question but she feels close enough to Gerard and The Racist Bassist wife to answer these queries on their behalf.
11:51, how was my comment sexist? I said she was a leech, clinging to the Way's for some fame, and I stand by that comment. It's got nothing to do with her being a woman.
Jessicka probably just wants to stay in with the Ways because it gets her attention from fangirls who only give a shit about her because she's Mrs Way's BFF. Otherwise she's be true to her beliefs and at least make a statement on the matter rather than hiding it all in emails and refusing to accept her friends are gross pieces of misogynist trash.
Otherwise she's be true to her beliefs and at least make a statement on the matter rather than hiding it all in emails and refusing to accept her friends are gross pieces of misogynist trash.
Saying something through an email or to somebody's face isn't hiding. It is going to the source! Making a real point.
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«Oldest ‹Older 2401 – 2600 of 2887 Newer› Newest»I personally don't think that anon owed anybody an apology, but hey, at least she did apologize-unlike some people who have caused offense and refuse to acknowledge it.
Yeah, like Frank, Sarah Little and MSI who knowingly use racial slurs for attention and shock value and then get defensive about their 'right' to use them when called out.
This is off topic, but does anyone else think Brad Pitt is being an ass towards Jennifer Aniston by hinting she was "dull" in their marriage? I mean, it's bad enough he cheated on her with Angelina, but does he really have to behave like this seven years after their divorce? Especially since she seems happy with her new man. I think it was totally uncalled for.
Didn't he since state his comments were taken out of context or something? IDK, but talking about your ex-relationships to the press is hella tacky. Have some class!
Jessicka is posting more photos of her with her Panty Shot Fuck the tsunami friend. You are what you hang with, Jessicka. Keep defending the wannabe woman beater while you're at it!
You are taking them too seriously. They are just people in the entertainment industry trying to get attention so they can sell their work. Nothing more.
4:07 PM
I agree. Who cares if they post photos together. I post photos with my friends all the time. This is truly starting to get stupid.
Keep defending the wannabe woman beater while you're at it!
Jessicka doesn't defend Gerard! She doesn't even talk to or mention Gerard!
9:08 PM
It's like an English person using the word CUNT. different meaning.
Jessicka doesn't defend Gerard! She doesn't even talk to or mention Gerard!
His wife probably whines enough about him to her.
What are you talking about 4:24? It doesn't.
Who cares if they post photos together. I post photos with my friends all the time
Don't be so naive, she knows the reaction she's going to get when she posts photos of her and her friend together. That's why she's doing it.
Has anyone watched Torchwood? I was thinking about giving it a whirl.
4:49 PM
I am not not naive. Nor do I care if you think I am. I like FACTS not web suspicions and blog assumptions. Somebody please back me up here. This is really getting ridiculous. So what? She posts a photo with her friend. I use instagram and I post photos with my friends all the time. I'm not doing it to get a reaction. No matter what she does one of you is going to say something negative. It's so dumb and boring.
6:56 PM
Try Boardwalk Empire! :)
4:41 PM
None of us know for sure.
It's all a big game 7:06.
7:05 are you someone in the public eye? No.
If you think it's dumb and boring don't read it.
7:05 twitter is a promotional tool for celebrities, why else are they on there?
And don't say it's for their friends. That's what DM's are for.
Thanks 7:06! I don't have cable, though. I just kinda sometimes get Netflix streaming. ^_^ And I was thinking Torchwood 'cause it's connected with Dr. Who and such. :) I'd love to see Boardwalk Empire though, because isn't Steve Buscemi in that? Or am I thinking of something else?
B Bryar's been very chatty now he's back on twitter.
And no matter what anyone tries to educate Jessicka about, she will deflect, derail and avoid. She's supposed to be a feminist, yet turns a blind eye and excuses her friend's sexism and threats of violence against women. She sounds more like a desperate hanger-on than a feminist to me.
I would take her the way I take G Way: with a grain of salt.
Sadly these people are supporting a rape culture, which I find serious. When we have an 'army' of teenage girls thinking it's okay for their boyfriends to hit them because Gerard made them think they sometimes might deserve it, we have a problem.
Kapunua,
Torchwood is okay. The first two series had one or two episodes that alluded to DW.
The five episode, third series, Children of Earth was very good and sets a more dark tone for the fourth series Miracle Day.
If you keep watching Doctor Who you'll eventually come across a Captain Jack story line that will blow your mind. :)
Sadly these people are supporting a rape culture, which I find serious. When we have an 'army' of teenage girls thinking it's okay for their boyfriends to hit them because Gerard made them think they sometimes might deserve it, we have a problem.
You'd think Jesscika would be concerned about this too, but clearly she's more concerned with remaining within the Way clique than defending any of her supposed feminist causes.
Speaking out against Gerard takes courage, and Jessicka doesn't have courage. She's a sheep. She'd rather have all the girls who look up to her and Lindsey think it's fine to have a husband/boyfriend who threatens to punch women and little girls.
3:13 - Are you talking about at the end of season 3 of Dr. Who? Because in his last scene, I went, "A;SDLJGHAS;DGJH WHAT."
I just think he's so adorable and Jack is such an awesome, confused, passionate character.
Thanks for that info! Maybe I'll try to catch a few early ones free on Netflix (if they are there) and see if anything sticks. ^_^
What happened to all the JGL and hitRECord talk? Aren't you involved with that anymore Kapunua?
Yup! I haven't made a ton of stuff lately though. I just did a re-rec video, and really that's been about all for the last few weeks. ^_^ Gotta get back into that.
But HitRECord's first anthology just came out and I bought that! It is very awesome. :)
"I am not not naive. Nor do I care if you think I am. I like FACTS not web suspicions and blog assumptions. Somebody please back me up here. This is really getting ridiculous. So what? She posts a photo with her friend. I use instagram and I post photos with my friends all the time. I'm not doing it to get a reaction. No matter what she does one of you is going to say something negative. It's so dumb and boring."
It is getting dumb. On the Bob being on twitter, I haven't really been following it so is their any real proof it's him?
No it's not.
Speaking out against Gerard takes courage, and Jessicka doesn't have courage. She's a sheep. She'd rather have all the girls who look up to her and Lindsey think it's fine to have a husband/boyfriend who threatens to punch women and little girls.
Oh please!
Jessicka in not a sheep. She's done a lot for many young girl's self esteem in the 15 years. Sorry if that's not enough for you. She's no Mother Teresa but she's no Countess Elizabeth Bathory either. There is a huge gray area between the two. I think that's where many people fit in.
Aren't you a coward Anonymous person on blogger? What have you done to help your fellow person today? Slagging somebody off you don't know Anonymously on a blog doesn't make you brave. It makes you pathetic.
There's no evidence that Jessicka even speaks to Gerard only Lyn-z. Gerard is on tour is he not? He was on tour when said twitter incident happened. There is no evidence that Jessicka has or hasn't said something to Gerard in private only speculation because nothing has been said publicly.
Like many have said already, it would be stupid for Jessicka to say anything publicly to Gerard not because of her image or because she's a coward but because the legions of ignorant MCR tweens wouldn't understand that point. They would defend Gerard and make any point she was making look like an attack or a lie. Who wants to waste time arguing online with 12 year olds when you can go to the source in private.
Until anybody can dispute any of this with fact not speculation and fortune cookie internet logic I think we can move on to a more interesting topic.
Aren't you a coward Anonymous person on blogger? What have you done to help your fellow person today? Slagging somebody off you don't know Anonymously on a blog doesn't make you brave. It makes you pathetic.
Anon has nothing to do with anything. It does not make my opinions any less valid. Stop trying to make excuses for the fact that she's clearly, from what we've learned about her opinions on the C*nt tweet in the last two weeks, happy to 'agree to disagree' on the subject of her friend's gross misogynism.
Also, you are so eager to get us to 'move on' from Jessicka. I wonder why that is? Perhaps it's because her whitewashing of her friend's promotion of rape and violence against women isn't really fitting in with her 'feminist' image?
Jessicka's behavior is questionable at best. Yes she has done good work for feminism but she seems unable to apply her own morals and logic this time because she is too close to the wrong sort of people. She has publicly defended Lindsey as someone 'who deserves no hate' and told people to 'concentrate on bigger problems' which trivializes the fucked-up nature of what her friend's engage in (Panty Shot, #smashedface etc). She's no devil but she really is falling short of the feminist she claims to be on so many fronts.
Jessicka sold any morals she had years ago for fame and her LA lifestyle, which sadly involves sucking up to misogynist wannabe-woman beaters like Gerard Way on a daily basis.
Are you saying that if someone tweeted her and told her they'd like to smash her face in, just because she called them out for using sexist slurs, she'd probably be fine with it? Of course she wouldn't be. She would blog, tweet and talk about it to raise awareness and try and stamp it out. But Gerard does it to a fellow woman, and she turns a blind eye? Remains loyal to him and his racist rape-promoting wife? She has a really serious double standard going on.
LMAO if she'd said anything to him, she'd be shunned, blacklisted and certainly not still hanging out with his equally deluded and offensive 'rock stah' wife.
Who's LynZ going to pick if comes to choosing between Gerard and Jessicka? It's a no brainer, she'll pick her husband, after all that LA lifestyle doesn't pay for itself.
I sense Jessicka cares very much for LynZ, so she won't jeopardise that relationship by hurting her BF's husbands fragile male ego.
I remember that someone one here had posted a link to one of Jessicka's tweets she had sent the same day Gerard sent his smashedface tweets.
It was Mixed emotions. Self-analysis and deep consideration. We cannot control how friends act - even if we strongly disagree.
Of course, people here could argue if it even was about Gerard, but I think it's pretty obvious and as we can all see she refers to him as a friend.
The question is why she had to mention this at all if she doesn't want to get involved? Without mentioning Gerard in this tweet people who might follow her but don't know (or care) about her connection with the Ways won't know what this tweet refers to, so it has no meaning to them and she could have spared herself the effort. However, for the ones who know the connection she might as well have mentioned his name and she would have looked not as cowardous as she does with that lukewarm attempt of trying to take a stand.
Yes but then she heard his sob story about you 'attacking' his family and changed her tune.
Jessicka is a half-hearted feminist.
And Gerard is a full-bodied misogynist.
10:40 AM
Again, you don't know this! You are just assuming. I doubt she gives a fuck about Gerard Way.
I can glean enough from what a certain person has revealed here to suspect with good reason that Jessicka has cowardly sided with Misogynist Way and his dense wife.
10:23 AM
No, because I feel that this topic has been beaten to DEATH! You don't like her, WE all get it. You say she isn't a feminist, she claims she is. A feminist, for fifteen years. Way before she had anything to do with the stupid MCR camp. Must we continue with all this speculation & examining every twitter photo she posts.
Stop trying to make excuses for the fact that she's clearly, from what we've learned about her opinions on the C*nt tweet in the last two weeks, happy to 'agree to disagree' on the subject of her friend's gross misogynism.
I don't think that is what WE learned. I think it only caused more speculation.
Again, Is Gerard even her friend?
I sense Jessicka cares very much for LynZ, so she won't jeopardise that relationship by hurting her BF's husbands fragile male ego.
YOU SENSE but you don't KNOW! that's my point!
You don't have to stay if you don't like the conversation here. If you want to stay, stop telling people what they can or cannot talk about. I'd like to point out that you have ZERO proof that she's done jack shit to counter her FRIENDS attitude and misogyny. She seems more interested in defending him via email.
It's sad that her involvement with the MCR camp is enough to make her abandon the fight. She is vocal on nearly every other subject. The woman is a fraud. Face it.
It was Mixed emotions. Self-analysis and deep consideration. We cannot control how friends act - even if we strongly disagree.
Of course, people here could argue if it even was about Gerard, but I think it's pretty obvious and as we can all see she refers to him as a friend.
Siobhan, Not everybody is so obsessed with Gerard Way his tweets, his merry band of idiots, & fans. Jessicka from what I can see has a life outside the MCR camp.
None of know what that tweet was about. Do we? Do you 100% know for sure? Wasn't days or a week later????
After years of being a feminist and role model for young girls I find it truly laughable that her friendship with Lyn-z has caused all of this backlash and speculation about her motives after 15 years.
And again, I have seen not interaction between Jessicka & Gerard publicly so by all accounts I "sense" they aren't friends. Perhaps only friendly in social gatherings.
I can have my opinions and suspicions but it's a fact that Gerard threatened to punch a woman, and a fact that Jessicka has always, always been vocal and outspoken about such shitty behavior from men. Where is her outrage and protest now? Why does she stay silent and watch as thousands of teenage girls, who may become the very victims of such violence, defend him mindlessly?
September 19, 2011 12:09 PM
abandon the fight???
What are you talking about? AGAIN, just because she's chosen not scold/shame her friend's husband in public? You are kidding right?
None of know what that tweet was about. Do we? Do you 100% know for sure? Wasn't days or a week later????
It was about two hours later, actually. And SHE called Gerard her friend in recent tweets to Kapunua.
She chooses to 'scold' everyone else. Why not him? Why does he have some sort of force field around him that prevents her from speaking out to all the people he's offending with his threats of violence and sexist slurs?
September 19, 2011 12:16 PM
I don't recall Kapunua mentioning that fact? Link please?
She needs to sell her shitty paintings to someone. MCR fans will eat up any crap that's got a six degree connection to Lord Way the wannabe woman beater.
Her tweets to Kapunua are public. Backread more.
12:17 PM
Really who has she "scolded" besides Maura Kelly & a hand full of MCR ?
Please!
12:19 PM
link please.
You must be a n00b to her. Her twitter is full of her calling people out on homophobia, fatphobia, misogyny. Just backread it a little.
Why should I provide you with links, lazy? Both accounts are PUBLIC. Go read.
Jessicka said, "I hope this isn't a 'bait and switch' tactic to get me to discuss certain friendships" or something like that when Kapunua mentioned the C word tweets...
"And again, I have seen not interaction between Jessicka & Gerard publicly so by all accounts I "sense" they aren't friends. Perhaps only friendly in social gatherings."
That's your opinion and you are entitled to it. I personally don't give a rats ass if she is friends with Gerard. The FACT is, she claims herself to be a FEMINIST, and her close friends husband threatened to smash a woman's face in-if that isn't enough to piss off your inner feminist, I don't know what is.
You sound like Jessicka, or a really pressed Jessicka fan. It's a shame you can't just accept that Gerard fucked up, and that it reflects badly on the people silently holding court around him and enabling his misogynistic bullshit.
Not one feminist I know would want to be around a man (or his enabling wife) who thinks threatening to hit a woman is funny, cool, or excusable.
She needs to sell her shitty paintings to someone. MCR fans will eat up any crap that's got a six degree connection to Lord Way the wannabe woman beater.
More speculation. I like her art. At least she does something. I'd rather have a women spend her day making art then waste time bitching anonymously on blog.
And she's mainly a sculptor not a painter.
2:17 PM
Where does she scold people? Twitter? I've seen her do nothing but be polite & answer questions.
waste time bitching anonymously on blog.
Congratulations, you sexist piece of shit.
12:24 PM
Not a huge Jessicka fan, per say.
I just think this is total bullshit!
Kapunua did Jessicka defend Gerard or say they were friends in your email interaction? I can't find where this was said.
Oh, I don't think it's a waste of my time. More and more people are coming here and finding a connection with what we are saying. More and more people are realizing they don't have to swallow MCRSI's sexism and racism. That's not a waste of my time. At all.
12:27 PM
Why because the word bitching was used?
laughable.
I'm sure Jessicka secretly hates Gerard, and spends every second he's back from tour side-eyeing him.
If you think anon's opinions are less worthy, why are you anon?
2:28 PM
Wow, talking about a band who is already on a downward spiral. Bravo. Job well done.
My thoughts, I think Jessicka doesn't even give two shits about Gerard Way. She must find him as irrelevant as most people.
Sexist and dumb. Are you sure you're not just Gerard himself: drunk with memory loss?
12:22 PM
Didn't she mean Lyn-Z????
I don't give a fuck about their 'spiral', career, or how many drummers they can get through. I care about them dressing sexism and violent misogyny as 'art' to a bunch of girls too enthralled to know any better. I care about a racist, talentless idiot pretending that it's 'feminism' and her bloated husband thinking it's okay to hit women. That's what I care about, and want to speak out against.
No, it was the C word and #smashedface tweets Kapunua was tweeting her about.
She must find him as irrelevant as most people.
She should find him relevant. Hes doing a lot of damage to everything she's fought for.
You are quite creepy in your defensiveness over Jessicka.
I'd rather have a women spend her day
Gerard, honey, are you sure it's not you?
2:40 PM
really nice try to discredit me. I'm Jessicka because I don't agree with the borg here on this topic. Classic.
You actually sound more like a bloke with your 'I'd rather have a woman' bullshit. Go home already!
Seriously, who even says that apart from douchebag men?
12:42 PM
Not Gerard Either. Three times a charm?
I don't have a blogger account nor do I have a gmail account so that's why I remain an anon.
12:43 PM
You caught me! I'm a dude!
I'd rather spend my time anon 'bitching' on here than threatening to smash a woman's face in so she 'dies slow'. But that's just me!
Sign your comments with your full RL name. Or don't. But stop pretending 'being anon' weakens anyone's point.
'I'd rather have a woman dead!'
- A Gerard's opinion.
Isn't that what you'd like? For us all to shut up? For Gerard to #smashedface #dieslow us all into silence?
Wouldn't that just make you and Jessicka and Lindsey the happiest?
'I'd rather have a woman not doing a number two in a public restroom'
- A Ray Toro's opinion.
'I'd rather have a woman not ask me awkward questions about my association with someone who threatens to hit women'
- A Jessicka's opinion.
I personally find the fact that Jessicka is friends with a woman who perfoms songs like Panty Shot much more troubling. That song is a Rape Culture anthem right there. In fact most of MSI's music is like that...
Sign your comments with your full RL name. Or don't. But stop pretending 'being anon' weakens anyone's point.
THIS.
12:51 PM
I don't support violence against women. I don't support violence AT ALL! Suggesting I do, just makes you sound like more of an idiot.
12:49 PM
Did she not answer Kapunua? I believe she did!
You are taking them too seriously. They are just people in the entertainment industry trying to get attention so they can sell their work. Nothing more.
THIS!!!!!
The #dieslow tweet still makes me sick to this very day. It brings all the horrible images of women's who've been murdered by men into my mind. It brings that horrible photo of Rihanna into my mind. It brings the images of a thousand black eyes and broken noses into my mind, and worse. It's no fucking joke, or something to be ignored. That sort of attitude from a man is downright dangerous.
You are an idiot to suggest that anyone is taking somethink like violence by men against women 'too seriously'. Do you think people took Chris Brown 'too seriously' when he flipped?
She actually didn't answer her. Read Kapunua's comments about how she was vague and 'agreed to disagree', then failed to answer when Kapunua asked her exactly what she was disagreeing with. Gerard said those things and there is no taking them back.
Right, so nothing Jessicka says or does should be 'taken seriously' since she's in the entertainment business? So by that logic, you can't come here and get pressed as hell that we don't consider her silence and siding with the enemy - pleading for him to be 'treated like a human' despite him expressing a desire to murder women - as the behavior of a feminist or someone with an intrest in women's rights and safety.
Sign your comments with your full RL name. Or don't. But stop pretending 'being anon' weakens anyone's point.
Thank you.
Everyone is "anon" on the internet, unless you're putting your real name out there. Just because you give yourself some fake name doesn't make you any more real than the people who post as Anonymous.
What do you tell a woman with two black eyes?
Nothing. She's already been "told" twice.
The Histrionics reaches fever pitch.
Everyone is "anon" on the internet, unless you're putting your real name out there. Just because you give yourself some fake name doesn't make you any more real than the people who post as Anonymous.
this.
TROLLLLLLLL in the dungeon.
DV trolling now? Really? I think you're done.
1:15 PM
No, I think YOU'RE done! YOU ARE!
*Yawn*
this place is most certainly a dungeon.
b------- o-------- r----- i n g
It's funny how the trolls always turn to shitty misogynistic trolling when they get backed into a corner with their fail!logic.
The #dieslow stuff upset me a lot too, 12:58, because I have been assaulted by a man and know what it feels like. DV is no laughing matter.
I didn't post that DV quote. That was one of your own trying to frame this discussion nice and neat. I don't find DV funny at all. I also don't hate Jessicka. Crazy, I know!
I don't hate Jessicka either. I just think she's letting the side down by staying silent when she could use her voice and position to speak out.
You're being ~framed? Oh anon, you don't need any help to look like a jerk. You've said plenty of stupid shit yourself on this page.
Jessicka won't speak out because she is under the Way thumb and also because she is a huge fucking coward.
Honestly, I find the lyrics that Lindsey dances around to on stage, pretending to play bass guitar, just as troubling, if not more, than Gerard's behavior. Actually, it all comes down to the same thing: violence against women, violence against children (especially little girls,) objectification and sexualization of little girls (both "Panty Shot" and Gerard's "f*** yourselves, JUST the ladies," etc.)
They're really not all that different.
To me, you don't even have to be friend with Gerard to get called out. Lindsey and her ridiculously hateful lyrics do just as fine a job of oppression.
K3:13 - Are you talking about at the end of season 3 of Dr. Who? Because in his last scene, I went, "A;SDLJGHAS;DGJH WHAT."
Kapunua,
Yes! That was it! Same reaction too. :)
I see absolutely no difference between MSI's lyrics, Frank's coat hanger joke, Gerard's #dieslow & #smashedface, and the 'joke' that got posted here about women with black eyes.
Thing is, someone like Jessicka (and many MCR fans) would throw a fit over that joke, while laughing at (or at the very least ignoring or making excuses for) MSI's lyrics and Frank and Gerard's behavior.
So my question is, why make exceptions for people you like?
The Histrionics reaches fever pitch.
Did you say that to her when she was constantly tweeting Moira Kelly?
After years of being a feminist and role model for young girls I find it truly laughable that her friendship with Lyn-z has caused all of this backlash and speculation about her motives after 15 years
She seems to be very friendly with the Urines, Apart from MCR, Lynz and her have known each other far longer. I don't understand how she can be close friends with these people with the type of lyrics they presented and claim to be an advocate of what she believes in without it causing a major form of internal conflict. To an outsider it appears very contradictory.
Maybe someone should post a link of Panty Shot to her via Twitter? I'd like to see what she thinks of it.
Didn't K already do that?
Maybe someone should post a link of Panty Shot to her via Twitter? I'd like to see what she thinks of it.
As if she doesn't know about this song already and even if she doesn't she would only dismiss it as a song satirizing society's handling/neglect of this issue and that MSI only want to draw attention to it by using shock tactics to make people think and talk about it.
They all know each other and I bet they all know each other's 'art'. They're like-minded people. They think that we are too stupid to understand their 'art'.
that MSI only want to draw attention to it by using shock tactics to make people think and talk about it
I think people that follow MSI make the same excuses for them and do MCR fans. One band is a life saver the other uses satire to make people think.
If you ever have the chance to watch the first few seconds of their definitive song PS, you notice that the group is chanting anal sex before they start playing it. So much for 'making people think'.
*the crowd is chanting
Of course, the crowd doesn't get it and how could they if the whole band never claimed to perform any of those discriminatory and pedophelia-glorifying songs to raise awareness to start a discourse among people and make them question their own behavior? Only since MCR came into the picture they started to pretend as if their songs were social commentary to what's wrong in this world and Lindsey all of a sudden transformed into a feminist by getting married to Gerard and being friends with Jessicka. Not to forget that horrendous interview with Brigitte(?) from MCR's very own PR broadcast TasteitTV in which she like, like, like-ed herself through the interview pulling things out of her ass to try to make herself look like the new Kathleen Hanna.
My favorite part of that debacle was the "OMG like, some of those rap lyrics are, like, SO, like, hateful towards women! They are like SO violent and I can't like even listen to them! But our own lyrics like, don't even bother me. Huh."
She's such a twit.
If you really want to have a laugh you should read the comments on NewAgeAmazon's buzznet blog.
Here are some gems for you:
Just look at who he is married to for heavens sake - NO WAY does LynZ strike me as the sort of woman who would stand back and say nothing if her hubby was posting out stuff like that!
Don't see how you can call him misogynistic, especially when you consider who he is married to - Lynz wouldn't assossiate with a misogynist, she is very vocal when it comes to 'girl power'
And I'm sure if he's married to Lindsey of MSI, a huge feminist, he wouldn't be some lying jerk. I seriously still think it was the hacker or someone else just trying to make him look like a shithead.
A HUGE FEMINIST!!!!!!!!
...but I'm sure that he's not trying to be some woman-hater because he's been talking about his respect for women for years and years. Kinda hard to fake it for years and years and then fanboy over your wife in every interview that she's mentioned in (quite a lot, not to mention his wife is a feminist herself).
The overly-protective, infantilizing way he talks about and treats Lindsey like some sort of prize stuffed animal he won at a fair is so creepy to me.
I think part of the problem today is pretty much every woman in the public eye comes out and says she's a "feminist". They probably think it's cool, but in reality know nothing about the subject. LynZ strikes me as one of those woman.
For a feminist, she's incredibly supportive of men who want to hit women and men who sing about girls being raped.
Seems chicken arm is on tour with them.
Got to show your neverending support to the wannabe-woman beating husband!
LMAO these twits are trying to say that loudN'proud woman-hating Gerard was hacked when he said those things on Twitter?
Self-delusion, man. It knows no bounds.
I'm also really, really irked--obviously--when people grab onto words that actually have a meaning, and claim to be those words when they are the opposite. You know, Lindsey calling herself a feminist.
That's like if I went, "Oh, I'm a mermaid. No, I know I don't have a fish tail or live in the ocean. But I'm a mermaid. Because I said so. That's what 'mermaid' means to me, okay?"
Changing the subject but...
I just read a really good article in Time Magazine about JGL. It has nothing but good things to say about him. It talks about him being talented, educated, articulate, etc., but still sensitive and accessible. It also says something about him being like James Franco, if James Franco wasn't so weird. Lol.
Anyway, I thought it was kind of cool, because I didn't expect to see an article about him in Time. :)
I saw that article; there was a lot of HitRECord stuff in there. :D He's very bright, isn't he? :)
He is very bright, which shows not only in the way he expresses himself in interviews, but also in the roles he chooses. His body of work is pretty damn amazing, and since Inception and Summer, he's getting some really choice roles. I'm very happy for him.
I'm so over the moon about Looper, it's insane. :D
Guys, I just got the most awesome message on Twitter. Like, pretty much ever.
@shonagon_chan I don't think I've thanked you for having a tumblr that got me thinking hard about feminism for the first time #sothx
I had noticed her posting a lot of feminist stuff, and had reblogged a lot of her links myself. I just figured she had always felt that way. I had no idea that my Tumblr was responsible for that. Especially since a lot of it has to do with the representation of women in the media - like, certain assheaded rock stars and such.
Anyway, that makes me really happy! :D
How many messages like that do you think Jessicka Adams has received in the 15 years she's been promoting feminism and equal rights? Don't discredit her and the good she's done just because you don't like some of her friends or agree with all of her ideas. None of you should blot out the fact that she has done good for years just because you don't like her choice of friends or associates.
Don't discredit her and the good she's done just because you don't like some of her friends or agree with all of her ideas.
1) This goes beyond "don't like some of her friends." There are plenty of people I just plain don't like. Not all of those people, however, are raging misogynists who support violence against women and call it "feminism" just because they want to be trendy. Don't sit there and make it seem like these are people who just cut me off driving this morning. We're talking about a 10 year + history of heavy contributions to rape culture, here.
2) What ideas are these?
3) And you see, that's what makes it so dangerous. Allowing people to think that because you say "I'm a feminist. Here, have some links to prove it," but meanwhile, supporting a band that so blatantly hates on women? That is so insidious. It's kind of going to McDonalds and eating a great big beef patty every day, and then telling people, "Yeah, but I'm totally a vegetarian. That's what vegetarians do," and having a large enough fan-base that they believe you.
5: 8:22, why the hell did you even bring her up, anyway? Did I even mention her?
Err, there is no #4. I'm not very mathy.
Kapunua I like your tumblr it's interesting and you bring up good points.
I also find you more credible than this Jessica person. At least you really believe in what you discuss.
MCR said similar things for years and I bet they received similar messages 8:22. Look how that turned out to be.
LMAO these twits are trying to say that loudN'proud woman-hating Gerard was hacked when he said those things on Twitter?
Pea brains.
May I see a link to Kapuna's tumbr?
I'm sure Gerard's twitter was hacked. By his drunk woman-hating violent evil twin.
http://shonagon-chan.tumblr.com/ Nonnie, here's my Tumblr.
Actually, I just posted a link that I really like. You’re so sensitive. You’re so emotional. You’re defensive. You’re overreacting. Calm down. Relax. Stop freaking out! You’re crazy! I was just joking, don’t you have a sense of humor? You’re so dramatic. Just get over it already!
Sound familiar?
If you’re a woman, it probably does.
I think that pretty much sums up what happens when we try to call out these douchebags in MSIMCR on their racism and sexism.
Other than the feminist/human rights stuff, my Tumblr is pretty much stuff about Dr. Who, pics of animals, Tom Hardy, science stuff, HitRECord, and Criminal Minds. ;D
I think the women on this blog are real feminists. The reason I cannot take Jessicka seriously is because of her association with MCRSI.
kapunua my point is: what is the point of trying to discredit Jessicka, when it is clear to me that she has good intentions when it comes to feminism, fat phobia, & gay rights? 15 years of fighting the good fight and then this woman is discredited because of her associations with certain yahoos?
This is just silly.
Again, we have no idea what her relationships are like with these people or what she says to them in private.
I've seen more insults hurled at her then at woman - hating Gerard Way or racist Frank.
It's not right.
kapunua, You had a an email conversation with her and judging from how outspoken you are on most things, I suspect you found her decent. If not I suspect you would have ripped her a new one here or on your blog.
It is clear to me by several tweets she's posted that she does not listen to MCR or MSI. She's over 30, why would she? It is music for ignorant tweens.
I think of it this way: I have a friend in a black metal band. I don't like his music or go to his shows. He may very well sing songs about satan & goat heads. He also hands out ASPCA literature after his shows. Funny thing, he & I are both Vegetarians.
This juxtaposition makes me like him more. Because I know him and know that what he does on stage is not who he is. He would never hurt an animal never mind eat one.
In saying this, I want to say I don't like Gerard Way. I think his smash face comment was disgusting but I have no need to tweet him telling him how much of a dick he is. I'm sure he knows and does not care.
And lastly, no one addresses this. Why would a grown woman like Jessicka publicly humiliate Gerard for his behavior knowing fair well it would do nothing except stir up teenage MCR fans? She would take it up with him in private, at least that is what I would do.
Everything you are all accusing her of are assumptions, nothing more.
Via twitter, she points these idiot kids in the direction of feminist authors, gay rights websites, art and media that they would not discover on their own listening to MCR.
"How many messages like that do you think Jessicka Adams has received in the 15 years she's been promoting feminism and equal rights"
Exactly, she's trying to do good and maybe it will rub off on others.
10:56 AM
Nobody is asking you to take her seriously. Rather be respectful as she's trying to good unlike most people she is associated with.
real feminists. The reason I cannot take Jessicka seriously is because of her association with MCRSI.
September 21, 2011 10:56 AM
Who's to say what a REAL feminists is?
Feminsim has many many faces!
Yes and not one of those faces involves befriending people who treat the rape and assault of women as something funny or acceptable.
The fact is that Jessicka should know better. She claims Gerard and Lindsey should be 'treated like human beings' yet she doesn't seem to afford the same respect to the rape/tsunami victims Lindsey mocks or the women Gerard threatens to punch. Why should they not be treated like human beings? Where is her outspoken feminism then? She hides her criticism of those she likes away behind closed doors and this is a failure on her part. If she spoke up then sure, she'd take heat for it. But my god would it send out a message.
Jessicka gor incredibly defensive over her friends when originally called out. That is someone with something to hide.
11:13 AM
BTW. I don't think Jessicka has ever mentioned Gerard one?
Gerard one?
If she spoke up then sure, she'd take heat for it. But my god would it send out a message.
Take some heat? No, she's be harassed. Or she's be called a fame whore trying to start shit with the precious Gerard Way.
If she spoke up publicly the only people who would care would be idiot MCR fans or tabloid rags. What message does that send?
Talking to somebody one on one sends the message I mean business and I don't want internet drama to interfere in this discussion.
11:25 AM
"once".
I don't see where she mentions Gerard besides the fact that he's married to her friend.
11:17 AM
I don't think she got defensive. She knew that kapunua had something to get of her chest and then allowed her to do so. How is that defensive or hiding anything?
Could we all please lay off the speculation.
1:13 AM
Another point. Why would she want to draw more attention to those bands?
I'll be honest, I'm finding this Jessicka debate boring now. To me she is a nobody who has a semi-famous best friend and leeches off their "fame". Can we discuss something else now?
Why is this discussion STILL going on????
Beaten
to
DEATH!
11:37 AM
And to me she's a person who has fronted two successful underground bands, makes cool art, and educates young girls about fat phobia, being kinder to each other, gay rights, and feminism.
The whole association thing/semi-famous- leeches of fame?????, shows how truly ignorant you are. What a shitty "male" thing to type. It is a shame.
Both sides WIN!
ENOUGH!
Her silence appears to contradict her otherwise vocal opinions. It makes her look fake and shallow, which to be friends with a wannabe woman beater and his racist wife, she must be.
kapunua my point is: what is the point of trying to discredit Jessicka, when it is clear to me that she has good intentions when it comes to feminism, fat phobia, & gay rights? 15 years of fighting the good fight and then this woman is discredited because of her associations with certain yahoos?
How in the HELL is my posting that someone thanked me for my Tumblr "discrediting Jessicka?" Are you insane?
It is clear to me by several tweets she's posted that she does not listen to MCR or MSI. She's over 30, why would she? It is music for ignorant tweens.
I don't listen to them either. But I'm aware of their hateful message.
I think of it this way: I have a friend in a black metal band. I don't like his music or go to his shows. He may very well sing songs about satan & goat heads. He also hands out ASPCA literature after his shows. Funny thing, he & I are both Vegetarians.
This juxtaposition makes me like him more.
So you're saying that you like MSI/MCR more because they are "actually feminists" but they sing about/promote degrading women, and violence?
Umm. Okay.
Because I know him and know that what he does on stage is not who he is. He would never hurt an animal never mind eat one.
The lyrics they write and the things they say do hurt women. Your comparison is a poor one.
And again, because I think you're going to ignore this question: How in the goddamn piss-hell was my post about my Tumblr "discrediting Jessicka?" Are we a bit defensive?
Look, this Jessicka person has more influence over young girls then any of us here. Let's hope she does the right thing.
The end.
And again, because I think you're going to ignore this question: How in the goddamn piss-hell was my post about my Tumblr "discrediting Jessicka?" Are we a bit defensive?
I was not saying your Tumblr was discrediting Jessicka. I said discrediting here on THIS blog because of speculation was stupid!
So you're saying that you like MSI/MCR more because they are "actually feminists" but they sing about/promote degrading women, and violence?
Umm. Okay.
NO, I'm saying I don't like either band at all.
Jessicka's silence and inablity to speak ill of her friend's hateful behavior is doing real damage. Thousands of little teenage girls think men hitting women is fine, because 'Gerard says he'll do it, so it must be, right?' You'd think that would concern Jessicka more than protecting herself. She has NEVER worried about what people would say back to her feminist opinions, until now. That makes her look shallow, fake, weak, and almost as bad as the people she tries to defend. 'Treat them like humans' she asks. I'll start when they stop acting like animals.
So your friend sings about wanting to rape five year old girls too? Does he get on facebook and threaten to smack women around because he's had a bad day?
Look, this Jessicka person has more influence over young girls then any of us here. Let's hope she does the right thing.
The end.
This!
I was not saying your Tumblr was discrediting Jessicka. I said discrediting here on THIS blog because of speculation was stupid!
Hmm, really? Then you weren't the one who immediately jumped on me with "But how many messages do you think JESSICA has gotten?!!!1111"
And if not, then why did you direct all of your questions to me, when I didn't say anything about her?
Also, I noticed that you didn't address any of my other points.
Treat them like humans' she asks. I'll start when they stop acting like animals.
AGAIN, Where has Jessicka ever mentioned Gerard???? Where?
IN HER FUCKING EMAILS. BACK READ THIS POST MORE.
"And to me she's a person who has fronted two successful underground bands, makes cool art, and educates young girls about fat phobia, being kinder to each other, gay rights, and feminism.
To me she's a person who makes mediocre art, attempts to educate people young girls about fat phobia, etc, but then hangs out with people who do the exact opposite of that.
Do you know what we call people like that, anon?
HYPOCRITES.
"The whole association thing/semi-famous- leeches of fame?????, shows how truly ignorant you are. What a shitty "male" thing to type. It is a shame."
Lol, so now I'm a sexist? Okay, if it makes you feel better.
Hmm, really? Then you weren't the one who immediately jumped on me with "But how many messages do you think JESSICA has gotten?!!!1111"
NO, that post was not mine. Oddly enough.
Which points? Have addressed ANY of mine. Works both ways.
Lol, so now I'm a sexist? Okay, if it makes you feel better.
It was a very sexist comment!
Could we all please lay off the speculation.
As long as you're not a personal friend or even Jessicka herself everything you state about her is speculation as well. So why is everything you say something we should believe and consider but everything we say is total nonsense?
You sound exactly like the people who say that everything that shows Gerard in a less than positive light is not to be taken seriously since we don't know him personally but all the good things that are being said about him are completely true although the people who say those things don't know him personally either.
Also, I think as long as people here are stating their opininon and declare them as such without claiming that they're facts everyone here has the right to say what they want.
Up until now being a feminist is simply not a pleasant existence. You should be aware that people will be pissed off about your statements. If that's too much for you and if you're scared of being the target of stupid and/or severely misguided people then you should probably keep all your feminist views to yourself because it doesn't help the cause at all if you're only preaching to the converted and don't dare to speak out against the ones who have the power to influence impressionable kids and adults to say and do really stupid things.
She mentions Gerard on twitter when she does her 'talk to me tuesdays' and people ask her questions about him such as 'is Gerard straight?' Anyone with sense would just ignore the question but she feels close enough to Gerard and The Racist Bassist wife to answer these queries on their behalf.
11:49 AM
What fucking emails? Where?
is Gerard straight?
Umm, I think that might a no brainer for her considering she's friends with his WIFE!
11:51, how was my comment sexist? I said she was a leech, clinging to the Way's for some fame, and I stand by that comment. It's got nothing to do with her being a woman.
Jessicka probably just wants to stay in with the Ways because it gets her attention from fangirls who only give a shit about her because she's Mrs Way's BFF. Otherwise she's be true to her beliefs and at least make a statement on the matter rather than hiding it all in emails and refusing to accept her friends are gross pieces of misogynist trash.
This officially the worst thread ever.
so boring, I could die.
Oh trolly. Just sit this one out if it bothers you so badly.
Otherwise she's be true to her beliefs and at least make a statement on the matter rather than hiding it all in emails and refusing to accept her friends are gross pieces of misogynist trash.
Saying something through an email or to somebody's face isn't hiding. It is going to the source! Making a real point.
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