Oh my God, I had a whole post typed out and Blogger crashed and deleted it without saving a draft.
I forgot most of what I wrote so I have to start over.
I notice some of you talking about Laura Slessinger and her use of the N- Bomb recently. I saw some of the fall-out from that in the news too. And it made me think about what gets said to a lot of you sometimes.
We see a lot of MSICR fans saying that MSICR have the first amendment right to use whatever language they want and we have no right to stop them. I think once even Lyn-Z made a comment about "Thank God for the first amendment" when talking about her band's lyrics.
But I have always thought, no one is TRYING to take away their right to use hate speech. We have the right to our opinion too when it comes to lyrics that are racist, homophobic and misogynist.
This article about Laura Slessinger and the first amendment said a lot of what needs to be said here too.
These are the parts I wanted to quote.
• The First Amendment protects us from the government, and not from other Americans who disagree with what we have to say. “Congress shall make no law” — the first five words of the First Amendment — say it all: No government body can limit our rights to speak out. In this case, there’s no government action, just public outrage and pressure.
• Boycotts are also protected by the First Amendment. Dr. Laura complains about being “bullied” by those who might pressure her radio affiliates or advertisers, but boycotts are a time-honored use of the First Amendment to address perceived wrongs and have played a role in virtually every social movement in American history.
But the whole article is really good.
MSICR are allowed to use hate speech in their lyrics. MSICR fans are allowed to listen to those lyrics and interpret them any way they want. They can think they are about something else, if they want to. You interpret things however it makes sense to you.
YOU are also allowed to hate those lyrics, take them at face value (which the bands themselves always say), and to boycott them if you want..... forever if that's what you want.
There will always be arguments as long as there are lyrics, tweets, concerts and interviews with that kind of speech. There will be disagreements no matter what. But disagreeing is NOT the same thing as squashing someone else's rights.
I really thought that article said it better than I could have.
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Gerard's highlight(wet dream) would be performing in front of a crowd of football players.
Why is everyone here so determined to hate Lindsey and Gerard? Okay, they're not the brightest people on earth, but so what? It's not as if they're running the country, is it? Yes, they have some influence, but only on young kids. Last time I checked kids grow up and move on to better things. MCR is most definitely a phase for most teenagers. They were for me. I got over them a long time ago.
I know some people go on about Lindsey's stage performances, but seriously, haven't we seen bigger and more influential stars do worse things onstage? e.g- the Madonna/Britney kiss? Please don't say those woman are talented because I don't think they are.
I know a lot of you have said you feel "let down" by Gerard, but really, was he the only person you looked up to and admired for you to feel so badly let down? Aren't there any other role models in your lives? Also Gerard is a celebrity, he's in the public eye. As far as I'm concerned celebrities rarely ever tell the truth about themselves. They hide their true self to get somewhere so I never believe anything that comes out of their mouth. Same thing with Gerard and co. I never bought the whole "we're saints" rubbish they tried to sell to people. And the whole we save lives thing was laughable. Whenever I heard a kid say that I asked them, how did MCR save your life? I never got an adequate answer.
Basically, what I'm trying to say is never put a celebrity on such a high pedestal, because they are never what they seem. They will always let you down in the end and the only person that will be hurt is you.
Last time I looked Madonna/Britney never played to music written about b******, f******, w***** and pedophiles.
You can't compare MSI and MCR to them.
Why is everyone here so determined to hate Lindsey and Gerard? Okay, they're not the brightest people on earth, but so what? It's not as if they're running the country, is it? Yes, they have some influence, but only on young kids. Last time I checked kids grow up and move on to better things. MCR is most definitely a phase for most teenagers. They were for me. I got over them a long time ago.
They do have a lot of influence, there are many teenagers and adults, for example tastittv, that keep on saying how influential they both are to them.
I know a lot of you have said you feel "let down" by Gerard, but really, was he the only person you looked up to and admired for you to feel so badly let down? Aren't there any other role models in your lives? Also Gerard is a celebrity, he's in the public eye. As far as I'm concerned celebrities rarely ever tell the truth about themselves. They hide their true self to get somewhere so I never believe anything that comes out of their mouth. Same thing with Gerard and co. I never bought the whole "we're saints" rubbish they tried to sell to people. And the whole we save lives thing was laughable. Whenever I heard a kid say that I asked them, how did MCR save your life? I never got an adequate answer.
Basically, what I'm trying to say is never put a celebrity on such a high pedestal, because they are never what they seem. They will always let you down in the end and the only person that will be hurt is you.
You are missing the point and have not read the opinions stated on this blog properly.
No one here was putting them "on a pedestal". MCR used to be vocal about their support for things that needed open discussions like how females get treated in reality, same sex partnerships, and mental health. Things not to be sneered at, unlike their buddies MSI.
Madonna and Britney may not sing about those things but they are responsible for the sexualization of young girls with the help of their stage performances and videos, not completely, but they have played their part. They reach a much larger audience with their music so I think they are a lot worse. Let's be honest, if you walked down the street and asked someone whether they'd heard of MSI, what do you think the answer would be? If you did the same thing about Madonna?...Who hasn't heard of her, or seen one of her videos? You have to admit most of them are sexually explicit.
Someone said that you guys didn't put MCR on a pedestal. I have to strongly disagree with this. I believe you did put them (Gerard in particular) on a very high pedestal. That's why there is such harsh criticism of him on this blog.
http://www.mediafire.com/?w9lx6f628q4nacv
so let me get this straight the turn up gerard turn down everyone else in the band and then still cant autotune his jersey enough to make this song even remotely good?
if anyone says they like this theyre either lying or they like gerard.
gerard now is my chemical romance.
his alubm. his comic. why the fuck does he even have a band if its going to be all about him?
RT as I am working I am not able to respond to your comment at 2:42 adequately. But I will, trust me :).
Let's be honest, if you walked down the street and asked someone whether they'd heard of MSI
Lets be honest, the content of their songs and their crappy music stopped them from being mainstream which is a blessing in disguise.
Gerard's not the only one getting "harsh criticism" for his behavior. Once Frank opened his mouth people here were just as critical of him even though they once respected him. It has nothing to do with pedestals.
Someone said that you guys didn't put MCR on a pedestal. I have to strongly disagree with this. I believe you did put them (Gerard in particular) on a very high pedestal
I never put him on a pedestal. I think he put himself on there by lying out of his teeth.
his alubm. his comic. why the fuck does he even have a band if its going to be all about him?
He'll go solo very soon.
He'll go solo very soon.
With Lindsey as bassist.
They can be another Sonny and Cher.
She can play with her hair, and he can sing badly just like Sonny!
and backbend until she breaks a hip because shes bound to be getting old and creaky.
Speaking of creaky and breaking hips, i wonder if he will attempt another stage dive at the NFL gig coming up since the other one failed so hard.
haven't we seen bigger and more influential stars do worse things onstage? e.g- the Madonna/Britney kiss?
Calling you out on this so hard. How is two women kissing in public "worse" than MSI singing "F*ggot" and Gerard telling women to f** themselves for him?
Seriously, answer it.
RT, also your comment comes very ill-timed. We've got kids killing themselves over being bullied for being gay, psychos abusing homosexuals and laughing about it, Carl Paladino yammering about how homosexuality is wrong, and it's also "Coming Out Day" today.
You pick today to say that two women kissing in public is worse than the hateful lyrics these people spew.
Good job.
Amazing how much it bothers you people when MCR achieve something. Obsessive.
If you did the same thing about Madonna?...Who hasn't heard of her, or seen one of her videos? You have to admit most of them are sexually explicit.
Like someone said earlier, you're missing the point.
I don't have anything against sexuality nor do I freak out over sexually explicit material. I don't see anything wrong with what Madonna does. Brittney Spears was an adult when she exchanged that kiss with her so I don't see anything wrong there either.
What I do have a problem with are lyrics which sexualize a 5 year old.
As far as Lindsey goes, she's perfectly happy to stand onstage with the man who writes and sings those lyrics, pretending to play the bass while dressed like a slutty schoolgirl. Then she turns around and professes to be a feminist role model for young girls.
Honestly? I'd have more respect for Lindsey if she were a stripper. Although I don't particularly care for the objectification involved in stripping, at least strippers are honest about what they do. They don't try to pass it off as something else the way Lindsey does her fake bass playing.
Amazing how much it bothers you people when MCR achieve something. Obsessive.
Amazing how much it bothers you that we don't care for them. Obsessive.
Oh God, have any of you heard the snippet of the new song that's going around the fansites?
EGADS, but it sounds like fingernails on chalkboard, a dying calf in a hailstorm and multiple cats in heat -- all at the same time.
Where the fuck is autotune when you need it?
^There's a download link up there a bit, so yes, some of us have heard it.
And yes. It's awful. Horrible. Headache inducing. I didn't think it was possible, but it's worse than Cancer or The World is Ugly.
They used tons of autotune and it only made it worse. :/
I really, really, really, really don't like that song.
Okay, I'm still a fan and I can tolerate NaNaNa because its catchy as fuck, but this new song is plain horrible. Too much autotune on vox, and electronica everywhere - it has MSI signature all over it! Why oh why did Warner approve this song to be on their album, let alone a single???
Found this on tumblr, a typical MCR fangirl mindset:
It's been, perhaps, an hour?
And the fact that, “The Only Hope For Me Is You” being out is considered old news, is a little funny. With that said: it still doesn’t take away from the fact that My Chemical Romance have done it again — no surprise there, though.
To those who are deciding to shun the new sounds from the boys, I glare at you. Change happens. And if you can’t accept that, then your love for this band isn’t what you thought it was.
This song is different — in a truly brilliant way. If you disagree, that’s quite alright. You’re allowed your own opinion.
But please don’t try and spoil the fun for others. I am dancing around, yes literally, to the beat of their new song.
And I’m not disappointed. Not at all.
Because the boys have done it again
They used tons of autotune and it only made it worse. :/
Inorite? They autotuned it to hell and back, yet Gerard's voice sounds worse than ever.
Okay, I'm still a fan and I can tolerate NaNaNa because its catchy as fuck
I thought so at first but it got old fast. I don't like the speaking part of the song either. It's like it breaks up the rhythm or something. I can't really explain it well but I think it ruins the song.
That other song is just bad. It's too long and the music is generic and Gerard sounds so overbearing and just annoying. The vocals would ruin it even if the music was good, which it's not. It's just cringe worthy.
To those who are deciding to shun the new sounds from the boys, I glare at you. Change happens. And if you can’t accept that, then your love for this band isn’t what you thought it was.
In other words, a true fan changes their tastes to go along with the band. How stupid is that? If you don't like it, you don't like it.
I glare at all of you that don't want to dance to "My Only Hope for Me is You"! How dare you! LOL! Seriously, while i did admit NaNaNa wasn't bad, except like 6:20 said, the speaking part blew it for me, i hate the new song.
http://www.mychemicalromance.com/ne
Scroll down to the sneek preview of NaNaNa and watch the video clip. It starts at the talking part and it sounds like something out of
Flash Gordon. Show Pony is the only good part ^_~
No thanks. I haven't heard a peep and I don't want to. Why would I listen to something I already know is going to turn me off?
Still waiting on RT's answer, too.
Still waiting on RT's answer, too
Maybe they had to sleep on it. Maybe it will come to them in a dream:)
JARED LETO: "I'M NO ROLE MODEL"
Monday October 11, 2010
JARED Leto insists he isn’t a role model to his fans – and doesn’t want to be.
The musician-and-actor thinks it’s absurd that artists are automatically expected to set standards for their young followers and he insists he doesn’t feel any pressure to behave in a certain way.
Instead, he thinks it should be enough for his fans to be inspired by the success he and his brother Shannon Leto have achieved with their band 30 Seconds to Mars, despite their poor upbringing.
“I can do whatever the f**k I want,” he said. “I have no responsibility to uphold an image. I don’t subscribe to the notion the artist is a role model by default.
“Look to the idea that you could be a poor white-trash kid and along with your brother put one foot in front of the other and make your dream come true. That’s the lesson. It’s not if I failed here and there with my life, or made mistakes. To have to keep secrets would be pointless.”
Although he spends a lot of time with his brother on the road, he insists they have a fantastic relationship, unlike other music-making siblings — like Noel and Liam Gallagher, who were in Oasis together.
“It’s not an Oasis situation, it’s great!” he said. “Me and my brother were just two poor, white-trash kids from Louisiana and clawed our way up the muddy banks of the Mississippi with food stamps in one hand and our instruments in the other.”
http://www.showbizspy.com/article/215251/jared-leto-im-no-role-model.html
The musician-and-actor thinks it’s absurd that artists are automatically expected to set standards for their young followers
I agree with Jared. It is an absurd expectation.
“I can do whatever the f**k I want,”
Yes he can. So can any other artist or celebrity or regular Joe and Jane.
“I have no responsibility to uphold an image."
No he doesn't. Neither does any other artist or celebrity.
I don’t subscribe to the notion the artist is a role model by default.
Set them straight Jared.
Yes he can. So can any other artist or celebrity or regular Joe and Jane.
That's right he can. And people can call them out when they're obnoxious.
Yes he can. So can any other artist or celebrity or regular Joe and Jane.
That's right he can. And people can call them out when they're obnoxious.
That's what happens in the real world. You get called out when you behave stupidly or write crap.
It's not one set of rules for one and not for another.
They can make their I'm an artist and this is my persona bullshit excuse, they have to face facts if they want to be controversial they have to be ready to face criticism.
One thing Jared has right is that rock stars are not role models. They are far, far from it.
the roids back on hr feminist kick so she can promote some novel that probably did a piece on her.
fuck these people make sick. i want to believe that someday everyone will finally be able to see right fucking through but honestly. i dont think thats ever going to happen.
Lindsey Way does not represent an empowered rebel girl to me. What a joke.
The riot girl movement will die in it's arse one day. I consider it bourgeois crap that doesn't help dismantle traditional expectations of gender.
Thank her husband 2:10. He made sure everyone knew about her and her talentless band.
At least Jared Leto has avoided making the same stupid mistake Gerard Way did. He never set himself up as an idol or role model and therefore he doesn't have anything to live up to. Unlike that moron Gerard who put himself and his band on the "be like me" pedestal and then even coached the wife to say she was a role model.
That was really dumb.
I doubt that Lindsey is mentioned in Girls to the Front. It's about a specific period in time (during the 90's) when the Riot Grrl movement came about. What does Lindsey have to do with that?
First, let's get something straight, the only reason you were "waiting on a reply" from me is because I actually have other things to do in my life. I don't spend all my time on the internet.
Secondly, I don't think you understood my meaning when I used the Madonna/Britney kiss as an example for bad behavior from stars. What I was trying to point out was, there are much bigger stars out there who reach a world wide audience and have way more influence on young people who do questionable things onstage. Britney may have been an adult when she kissed Madonna, but what about her young fans? Most of them are young girls, it must have been pretty confusing to see their idol kissing another woman on stage especially when they are too young to understand it. I agree MSI's "Panty Shot" is a disgusting song, but the majority of people haven't even heard it. I'm not making excuses for their music, I'm not a fan nor will I ever be. I just think you believe MCR and MSI have way more influence then they actually do. MSI have been around forever and haven't gotten anywhere. There's a reason for that.
"You pick today to say that two women kissing in public is worse than the hateful lyrics these people spew."
Kapuna, I don't think this blog is so famous that my words are going to really offend anyone.
"I don't have anything against sexuality nor do I freak out over sexually explicit material. I don't see anything wrong with what Madonna does. Brittney Spears was an adult when she exchanged that kiss with her so I don't see anything wrong there either."
So there's one rule for the Madonna's and Britney's in the world and another for everyone else? And you may not have a problem with the things they do, but I think you're forgetting their target audience is girls. Girls who will go home thinking it's okay to wear provocative clothing, roll around on the floor, randomly kiss other girls just to shock and so on.
MSI and MCR just haven't reached the height of fame that these guys have to really make any sort of lasting impact on anyone.
RT, you are confusing sexuality with sexism. They are not the same thing.
Homosexuality is fine. Girl/girl kissing is a part of life. So is boy/boy kissing, and I don't think anyone here ever had a problem with Gerard tongue kissing Frank onstage.
You are so missing the point here.
I agree with Jared. It's idiotic to set yourself up as a role model and tell people to look up to you.
Which is pretty much what MCR did for the entire beginning of their career, and now Dim-Z with her "I IS FMNINIEST!!11111" nonsense. You'd really have to be smoking serious crack to see her as a feminist.
Secondly, I don't think you understood my meaning when I used the Madonna/Britney kiss as an example for bad behavior from stars.
Well, that's funny. I thought you said it was "worse." I guess that's because you said haven't we seen bigger and more influential stars do worse things onstage? e.g- the Madonna/Britney kiss?
And, I don't know, for some odd reason I thought that by "worse" you meant "worse."
Then you went on to say both this: I just think you believe MCR and MSI have way more influence then they actually do.
And this:
Kapuna, I don't think this blog is so famous that my words are going to really offend anyone.
Okay, so from this I gather that you don't care how it offends someone, or how "bad" it is, just as long as it's only a few people it hurts or offends.
Your own comment, like those of MCR/MSI don't reach a wide audience, so that makes it all right.
By that token, I guess it's okay to call one person a F** or a n****, because, hey, it's only that one person.
Guess what: Those words--as well as the idea that two women kissing is worse than the homophobic lyrics we get from MSI--offend me. And probably a few people here, I'd think.
Otherwise I would not have pointed them out. If you think about it.
What is your point 6:53?
Some of you are very confusing.
Are you critizing what MRC does onstage like Gerard sticking his hand down his pants and asking little girls to moan and fake an orgasm for him? Or
Are you critizing what the members of MCR do offstage in their personal lives like who they choose to marry and be friends with?
Where, where will we stand
When all the lights go out
Across these city streets
Where were you when
All of the embers fell
I still remember them
Covered in ash
Covered in glass
Covered in all my friends
I still think of the bombs they built
If there's a place that I could be
Then I'd be another memory
Can I be the only hope for you?
Because you're the only hope for me
And if we can't find where we belong
We'll have to make it on our own
Face all the pain and take it on
Because the only hope for me is you
Alone
How would you be
Many years after the disasters
That we've seen
What if we learned
Of all the people burning
Purifying flame
I'll say it's okay
I know you can tell
And though you can see me smile
I still think of the guns they sell
If there's a place that I could be
Then I'd be another memory
Can I be the only hope for you?
Because you're the only hope for me
And if we can't find where we belong
We'll have to make it on our own
Face all the pain and take it on
Because the only hope for me is you, alone.
The only hope for me
The only hope for me is you
The only hope for me is you
The only hope for me is you
The only hope for me is you
The only hope is!
If there's a place that I could be
Then I'd be another memory
Can I be the only hope for you?
Because you're the only hope for me!
And if we can't find where we belong
We'll have to make it on our own
Face all the pain and take it on
Because the only hope for me is you alone
The only hope for me is you
The only hope for me is you
The only hope for me is you
The only hope for me is you
The only hope for me is you
The only hope for me is you
The only hope for me is you
The only hope for me is you
(Remember me)
7:57,
If you don't know the difference between sexism and sexuality, I don't think any of us can explain it to you.
There's a new post up for anyone who is interested. :)
Happy Fall, hope you all have a great Halloween. :)
7:57,
If you don't know the difference between sexism and sexuality, I don't think any of us can explain it to you.
I do know the difference between sexism and sexuality, but that is not what I have been talking about. I only gave the Madonna/Britney kiss as an example to try to prove my point which was: MCR and MSI are NOT as influential as you think they are. How can they have a huge impact on anyone when they are generally ignored by the mainstream? Soon no-one will remember them.
But this is not the reason I even posted on here. I'm still waiting for someone to answer my first question. Why are you all determined to hate Gerard and Lindsey?
I wrote and posted a reply to this nonsense but blogger ate it.
I'll address this in the new post.
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