This is crazy. Courtney is wildly underestimated in terms of raw intelligence. She's fucked it up with drugs, yes, but she is nothing if not shrewd.
I think there's truth to this. In some strange way it makes me happy because everyone's going to see what an ass Gerard really is, and also I can sense a major CLove comeback on its way. Can't wait for the 2010 Hole tour.
why did CL use the jaime spears molestation issue as a metaphor of what happen between her and Frances? Is she trying to say that gerard "did something" to her daughter?
GW can shut 'Kat' or Eliza up but not Courtney Love.
So true. You've gotta love Courtney.
I don't see Gerard as an actual pervert, though. Frances is closer to a woman than a girl, at least in physicality (is that a word?). That doesn't mean he isn't taking advantage of her, though. And well, he's married, duh. Of course it's wrong, but perversion? No, not in my opinion.
This has been developing on Twitter for months. It's been brewing under the surface and now Ms. Love has brought it to light. The question is, will anyone believe her. I do.
I think Gerard is just as fit to parent Bandit as Lindsey (which isn't saying much) regardless of the Frances situation. I don't know if a judge would feel the same way, though.
I hope this is all an assumption and that Courtney is trying to separate Frances from who she considers her friends. I think Courtney is relentless and would really try anything to make them uncomfortable. I cannot believe Gerard, though stupid, is that evil.
Why would CL try to seperate Frances from her friends? It will only make her hate her more.
Courtney doesn't think her friends are real friends to Frances. She probably thinks Frances will only see this when she is no longer involved with them.
Maybe Gerard bought something large for Lindsey for V-day. Didn't he buy their house on the same day? He did. Well he has to do something ridiculous like that. He is Gerard.
Whoa! What happened here? So, Crazy-Co is back on Twitter, huh? I really don't think that she meant Gerard with the 'sweet goth guy'. Gerard hasn't been goth (if he ever was) since 2003 and I bet that Frances knows a lot of little nameless emo/goth dudes in bands she hangs with and aren't famous or at least not mainstream-famous yet. Courtney isn't afraid to tell names. I mean, she publically stated that Britney was sexually abused as a child and didn't give a rat's ass if she would get sued by the Spears family. So why should she be afraid to use Gerard's name and tell it like it is if there really would be some truth to the asssumption that Frances is having an affair with that skunk. I don't believe it.
I made a comment a long, long time ago on this blog that the members of MCR/MSI should be very careful associating with Frances because if things somehow went sour, there was no telling what CLove was likely to accuse them of doing.
Okay, so has Courtney been confining her tweets to Chantal and Sarah, or has she been tweeting to Alicia and Lindsey too? Surely it's only a matter of time before she starts accusing Frances' "adopted mom" of giving her drugs too.
This may just be gossip, but I was told that the relationship between Brian and the band broke down because the members (mainly Gerard) refused to take the record label's advice about how they conducted their 'private' affairs (i.e. keep them private).
After Elizagate ended and Gerard was made a fool of, he'd promised to be straight with Brian/Warner. I'd heard that he'd instead lied to Brian about his backstage marriage to Lindsay (Brian found out when the fans found out) and that's when things went past the point of repair.
Like a lot of us, I think Brian was relieved when Gerard and Eliza ended and then *Bam!* Gerard was involved with those miscreants from MSI. Not only involved, but he married into them.
That's the point where I washed my hands of him. I can totally see Brian doing the same.
Personally, I don't think Brian 'washed his hands of them'.
If you think about it from a business point of view, MCR were an investment for him. He poured all his savings that he'd made as a roadie and tour manager into that band, and it more than paid out once The Black Parade did well.
I can see Brian trying to work around issues, because to be frank, MCR were the band he'd dedicated the majority of his professional life to, and built his company around.
I think he became another casualty of Gerard's ego. Brian's the sort who'd tell Gerard how it was and not butter-up his feelings. And Gerard doesn't like the truth, or people who scrutinize his life choices too closely. If you read between the lines of all the recent press, you'l see the band complaining that they 'didn't like the way things were being handled', which is probably to say they didn't like being told that they and the people they hung around with were behaving like dickheads and it was bad for business.
I think they fired Brian because he was trying to plug holes in a sinking ship and they either just don't give a fuck anymore or think they're 'so needed right now' that the record-buying public will eat their new 'hardcore' album up regardless of how they treat their fans.
I remember Gerard whining about how he had to approve the final edit of The Black Parade is Dead! in his hotel room right after the MSG show. I mean, sure, we get that sometimes your life is so hard, Gerard. But the fact is that DVD was going to pay for your 'hiatus' while you were off the road for a year.
What pisses me off is that these people think they are above hard fucking graft, yet they want to live the lifestyle and have all it's benefits. In times like these, Gerard should be thankful he's a product that people want to buy, not bitching about his manager doing something as crazy as, IDK, making him work for a living.
I think you're all making a big deal out of nothing. I don't see anything in any of these twitters that would cause me to jump to the idiotic conclusions that you're jumping to.
Chantal is a drama mongerer and is probably sticking her nose into the bee hive to get more mileage out of this argument. She knows she can exploit the situation to get press.
Wait, what? Gerard is being accused of what? Getting his wife pregnant? Do you realize how stupid you sound?
As far as I can tell, Lindsey has never even been brought into this. This fight is between Courtney and Chantal.
I think all of you need to take some deep breaths (and your medication) if you're going to start bringing Gerard and Lindsey and another baby into this.
I think all of you need to take some deep breaths (and your medication) if you're going to start bringing Gerard and Lindsey and another baby into this.
Well you could be a little nicer about it, but I have to say I agree with you.
Chantal is probably hoping and praying that somebody like Perez Hilton does pick this up. It's not like her record is burning up the sales charts. She could use a little publicity right about now.
Sorry, I did not mean to imply that everyone on this blog was saying that.
My comment was addressed to the person saying that it was "natural to assume" that Gerard and Lindsey would be having another baby from the "baby momma drama" comment.
I think all of you need to take some deep breaths (and your medication) if you're going to start bringing Gerard and Lindsey and another baby into this.
Perhaps you should read further before you get your panties all in a wad.
It seemed to me that there was more than one person saying that and I was addressing all of them.
Now, can we stop arguing about something trivial please?
This was bound to happen sooner or later. Like someone said before, Courtney may come off as an idiot, but she is extremely smart when it comes to the press and how to keep her name in it. Accusing a bunch of rock stars of corrupting her daughter will give her a boost, even if the rock stars are semi-celebrities themselves. They should have never become friends with Frances, it was trouble just waiting to happen. I think they were just too enamoured by the idea of hanging w/ Kurt Cobain's kid that they never stopped to question how things might turn out if Courtney ever got pissed. I predict much more Courtney craziness in the coming months. I can't wait to see how it all comes out.
What did they possibly think they had to gain by becoming friends with Frances? If it does get in the actual press you know the media is going to see it as a bunch of 30+ year old opportunists trying to make a name for themselves on the back of a 17 year old fangirl who is too naive to know any better.
Courtney will get mileage out of it because everyone expects her to look like a loon. Frances will come off as a total innocent and Chantal, JU, GW and Co. are going to just seem sad and pathetic.
They are morons. Brian hid it well. He must have also been aware of Gerard's cheating with Eliza for years and covered it. That doesn't make him a swell guy in my books.
Brian's job was to manage a band, not slap them on the wrist for their private lives.
Regardless of what Brian asked them to do, they're adults. He couldn't exactly lock them inside their hotel rooms alone every night. Why do you think he's not around anymore? Maybe because he didn't feel like overseeing another round of them acting like dippy lovestruck assholes?
Right, because clearly Brian didn't have a problem with the whole WMHC saga.
STOP MAKING EXCUSES FOR GERARD & CO'S SHITTY BEHAVIOR. They fucked up and lied. They made the choice to cheat and behave like assholes. Stop taking everyone who's ever shared a breathing space with them to task.
Exactly, and Brian's job, as a manager of a band with a huge teenage fanbase, however 'respectful' or not you find it, was to manage them and deal with the problems caused by their shitty behavior.
He can't tell adults what to say and do, he just had the task of trying to clean it up. If anything I pity him, because it must have been a nightmare trying to be professional around those morons.
Hahaha, all this talk reminds me of Eliza's 'fanfic'. There was a part where she details how Brian basically told her to fuck off and stop stalking Gerard.
Hahaha, all this talk reminds me of Eliza's 'fanfic'. There was a part where she details how Brian basically told her to fuck off and stop stalking Gerard.
But I guess Gerard had other ideas.
Someone once said he seems to do the opposite of what you want him to do.
It's funny, you get Frank bitching and moaning about having to spend thousands of dollars getting a good lawyer after his hate-spewing side project attracts FBI attention, and then you get Brian tweeting that he's thankful to have a roof over his head and food on his plate every day, and that he doesn't need anything else.
I'm sure Brian has his faults. I personally find his sense of humor quite strange and thought he was a little bit harsh about FOB/Pete Wentz, but in all, I think he mostly comes across as a sound guy who knows what side his bread's buttered on and isn't obsessed with celebrity/money/entitlement like MCR and their friends seem to be.
Maybe that's what burning out in the music business does to you, but I'd much rather read his twitter and see the occasional bitter comment than read Frank telling complete strangers to abort their children.
I really hope this incident wakes some fans up to how their idols really are.
Some fans will never believe anything bad about these guys. If Frances had gotten pregnant with Gerard's child at fifteen, and the court ordered paternity tests on all five members of the band because there was proof that they all slept with her, the fansheep would just call Frances a slut and blame her for it.
I think the fact that they've cancelled shows is because there's internal issues with the band. Maybe Ray's pissed with the current press Gerard's done. Maybe Bob's walked out. Mikey's back on the booze and pills cocktail. Who knows.
Internal issues are serious if the band refuse to play together on stage.
The 'illness' story is exactly the same stunt they pulled when Bob 'broke his wrist' and they cancelled a show yet opened for Bon Jovi two nights later. If they pull the health card they can wriggle out of any contracual obligations.
It's probably not as difficult to get out of playing a festival as it is a headlining show (like the one they canceled in Maine). There are other bands so the show goes on.
I don't think bands make all that much money from festival shows. There are too many bands to divide the proceeds between and the ticket prices can't be inflated that much. Most bands play festivals more for exposure to new audiences than anything.
It's interesting that we've found out that the album release date is apparently being pushed back by the label. And then they cancel what are probably make-or-break shows for getting new fans in. Top this off with all the talk of 'fine tuning' the record makes me think the label weren't happy with the pile of shit the band handed in and sent them back into the studio to fix up a product that would appeal to the crowds of the late summer fesitvals.
Maybe the guys at the label have been watching the band's youtube performances and they sent Gerard to the "throat doctor". Or likely, a voice teacher.
I think you guys are going way too far about the Frances/Gerard affair speculation. Gerard has some faults but I could never believe he'd be creeping on a 17 year old girl.
Honestly, I don't believe he screwed FBC at all. I do however believe that Courtney will take this as far as she can, true or not, and it will ruin what little reputation MCR has. They should have stayed as far away from FBC as they could. As far as Chantal giving Frances drugs? I can see that being more plausible then GW and Frances having an affair.
Changed my mind. I doubt she would call her own daughter a desperate stalker. She seems too keen on looking the part of the ultimate loving mother. Probably Gerard though. She doesn't know that many goths. These people are disgusting.
Surely Courtney wasn't talking about Frances in that "desperate stalker" tweet. I can't stand the woman, but I don't think even she would say something so awful about her own daughter.
Why is it that some celebs seem to know how to use Twitter appropriately and others don't?
The people from MCR/MSI and other rock bands should take a lesson from on how to make themselves seem more (not less) appealing to their fans via twitter.
How dare you crazy people accuse Gerard Way of such a horrible thing. I looked at Courtney Love's twitter and I could find no evidence of any of the things you said. I don't even see where she said anything to Chantal. I think that Chantal's comments were meant as a joke.
Is there no low to which you people won't stoop to try and discredit a man who has done nothing but share his creativity with ungrateful people like you? I am appalled.
I read the Chantal and Courtney tweets and I can assure you they are there. I don't see anyone here accusing Geetard of anything, simply speculating which isn't illegal. Even you should be able to admit that a 16/17 yr old girl hanging with people in their 30's isn't appropriate. It's asking for trouble.
Why is it that some celebs seem to know how to use Twitter appropriately and others don't?
The people from MCR/MSI and other rock bands should take a lesson from on how to make themselves seem more (not less) appealing to their fans via twitter.
There's only one "rock star" I like on Twitter and it's no one from MCR.
There's only one "rock star" I like on Twitter and it's no one from MCR.
Same here. And he doesn't tweet constantly nor does he talk to his famous friends. He just lets people know what's going on with him and/or his band. He is also quick to dispel any rumors and set the record straight should bad press pop up.
I also follow a couple of actors who do the same thing. I liked them before Twitter, but after reading how clever, funny, sweet they can be I find I like them even more.
Just been reading back over the whole CL drama and decided to check out the tweets myself. Found this, which I don't believe was mentioned here, and wondered why it was omitted:
Id name someone else and i may well do it but id rather serve that mama vengeance cold and anonomyously my my we get a "power" bf and whoops
It's certainly interesting to speculate on, especially since later on she calls someone out for being an 'MCR fan' which seems to signal that they have some involvement, however periphirally. However, I don't think there is any wrong doing going on between GW and FBC. I just don't see it happening.
I don't really see anything happening between Frances and Gerard either, but then I didn't believe he would be dumb enough to get involved with someone as idiotic as Eliza either. Nor did I think he would ever get married to somebody he'd been in a relationship with for 6 weeks -- at the end of a whirlwind festival courtship.
So, while the whole Frances/Gerard thing seems preposterous, where Gerard Way is concerned, you never really know.
cl was not referring to Frances Bean when she said "desperate stalker". she was inferring that gw was delusional about going all the way with that person(marry)which means that the reason that the mcr camp has been so silent on their twitters for the last few weeks is b/c lynz and gw are going through divorce proceedings. and he's going to make his move on the "delusional stalker" now. it was all planned, I think.
cl was not referring to Frances Bean when she said "desperate stalker". she was inferring that gw was delusional about going all the way with that person(marry)which means that the reason that the mcr camp has been so silent on their twitters for the last few weeks is b/c lynz and gw are going through divorce proceedings. and he's going to make his move on the "delusional stalker" now. it was all planned, I think.
It honestly wouldn't surprise if GW and lynz divorce some time before or shortly after the album is released. But not because of Frances. I think those two were headed for divorce court the moment they got married. Marriage is hard all by itself, factor in that they hardly knew each other, had a baby within the first year, and have careers that keep them apart for long periods of time. I don't see how the marriage could last given all that.
I think it could have worked in the long run if they'd actually, you know, gotten to know each other for a longer period of time before getting hitched.
If there's any truth to this, I feel bad for Bandit.
It honestly wouldn't surprise if GW and lynz divorce some time before or shortly after the album is released. But not because of Frances. I think those two were headed for divorce court the moment they got married. Marriage is hard all by itself, factor in that they hardly knew each other, had a baby within the first year, and have careers that keep them apart for long periods of time. I don't see how the marriage could last given all that.
Actually, I think it can work depending on the people. Didn't Jack White and Karen Elson get engaged not that long after they started dating? They've been married for a while now and have two kids.
There are always exceptions to the rule, but in general I would think the strain on a marriage like their would eventually force a split. Then again, they prove everyone wrong and stay married forever.
CourtneyLoveUK tomorrow is restraining order day so bye bye hangers on & unfit relatives and shiteating lying "lawyer" "guardians" who will be disbarred!
Thank goodness. I don't believe Gerard has done anything, but this is going to be Courtney's chance to get her daughter away from Chantal.
If GW had shagged FBC, then why isn't it in the news? Fair enough, he's not a big deal, but the daughter of KC is, in particular if things are happening before she's old enough.
Someone needs to tweet courtney and ask her straight away.she seems to reply to almost everyone lately and it'll be awesome to hear what she's going to say xD
"Desperate stalker" sounds a lot like eliza.who knows maybe they are getting back together? Didn't she recently tweet about talking to her ex about how much they hate us (fans)?
"Desperate stalker" sounds a lot like eliza.who knows maybe they are getting back together? Didn't she recently tweet about talking to her ex about how much they hate us (fans)?
and it'll be awesome to hear what she's going to say xD
February 15, 2010 2:21 AM
You are disgusting. You seem to be actually excited that something illicit may have happened between a minor and an adult. Do you have any realization of how much of a pig this makes you?
Who is the monster, the one who does the act, or the one who cheers him on.
To go and suggest tweeting a person who is so obviously distressed over losing the right to parent her child and then suggest to her that something illicit happened between her child and a married man is not only breathtakingly stupid, but unconscionable.
Do you realize the can of worms you could open for yourself? How she could react, how it could effect the people named?
You are slurring the repudiations of people with serious allegations and no proof, but some speculative tweets that you could be entirely misinterpreting.
Frances is 17, not 12! Here in Germany nobody would give a flying fuck about a 17-year-old girl having sex with a 32-year-old man. Is it appropriate? No. Would he be an asshole if he would cheat on his wife who just had a baby with him? Yes. Would he be a predator or a pervert? No!
You should realize that teenagers aren't the same as twenty years ago. Hell, when I was 12-years-old I was still running around with my favorite stuffed animal. Nowadays 12-year-old most likely already had their first sexual experience with an older boy.
Do I think that this is a fortunate development? No, but times change and many teenagers can't be seen as little children anymore. Girls are getting their periods way earlier, they're hitting puberty way earlier and thus are interested in sex way earlier than the teenager generations before them. That's the way of life.
And does anyone here really think that Frances is still a virgin?
But I still want to point out that I don't believe that Gerard and Frances had or have an affair.
I agree, this is fucked up talk. We know nothing, but this is the kind of thing that can spiral until the damage is so bad that it could ruin people's reputations beyond redemption. And for what? Because you suspected all along that GW was lying to you? With a few songs? Like that's the worst thing in the world? Like ALL rockstars don't do that? So now, you're all ready to believe and twist a few tweets in to this?
I agree with that other person, you all push you're bad qualities onto him, and you're all disgusting.
You should realize that teenagers aren't the same as twenty years ago. Hell, when I was 12-years-old I was still running around with my favorite stuffed animal. Nowadays 12-year-old most likely already had their first sexual experience with an older boy.
It doesn't mean their emotional development is all that different to twenty years ago, they're just exposed to more. More they can't handle.
It's prudish because a 17-year-old is not a child anymore and also shouldn't be treated as one.
Siobhan - you're talking about this as if it's true! It's all just speculation.
No, I don't talk about this as if it's true! I was only stating my opinion as to why it shouldn't be such a big deal if a random 17-year-old would have sex with a random 30-something- year-old!
Siobhan the laws in Germany are different. It's a felony here.
I know that it's a felony in the U. S. of A., anon, but I find it exaggerated nonetheless. At least if it concerns teenagers that age.
Siobhan in Europe you are far more liberal when it comes to attitudes in regards to sex and nudity however you're talking about the U.S of A where it's a big deal for a 17 year to be involved with someone nearly twice her age!
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This is so confusing.
I am assuming so. So the affair could very well still be true. Maybe that's why Frances has a lawyer now, if things get sticky later on.
Maybe "sticky" isn't the best word.
Ok so, "geraldine wilde" is the lawyer but "delusional gothy guy" is still gerard, rite?
I think she's talking about both the lawyer & GW.
i dont think she's commenting on jaime spears case but maybe she's using that as an analogy of what she and frances are going through now.
Maybe "sticky" isn't the best word.
Agreed.
This is crazy.
Courtney is wildly underestimated in terms of raw intelligence. She's fucked it up with drugs, yes, but she is nothing if not shrewd.
I think there's truth to this.
In some strange way it makes me happy because everyone's going to see what an ass Gerard really is, and also I can sense a major CLove comeback on its way. Can't wait for the 2010 Hole tour.
I think 3.38 is right. see CL's tweet:
what has occured to me and to Frances has so many parallels w Britbrit
Gerard has stooped to a new low. I'm mad at Kurt for not being here to kick his ass.
I agree with you Megan. I think she is covering herself against any possible legal implications. I do think she is trying to say what she knows.
so they couldn't try to turn it around on her and say she knew about it all along? cos they probably would try that knowing them
why did CL use the jaime spears molestation issue as a metaphor of what happen between her and Frances? Is she trying to say that gerard "did something" to her daughter?
i think this blog came to that conclusion a while ago
How could Lindsey not know about this or she does and is going along with it. They are all low.
http://perezhilton.com/2010-02-14-the-return-of-hole
If Perez is covering a CLove moment as trivial as this, I'm almost sure he'll report on the Tweets.
Is she trying to say that gerard "did something" to her daughter?
I really hope this is untrue for his daughter's sake.
GW can shut 'Kat' or Eliza up but not Courtney Love.
c love is an unstoppable force.
How could Lindsey not know about this or she does and is going along with it.
some people will do anything for fame.
does anyone want to spill the beans on GW-Frances on Perez Hilton comment section?
GW can shut 'Kat' or Eliza up but not Courtney Love.
So true. You've gotta love Courtney.
I don't see Gerard as an actual pervert, though. Frances is closer to a woman than a girl, at least in physicality (is that a word?).
That doesn't mean he isn't taking advantage of her, though. And well, he's married, duh. Of course it's wrong, but perversion? No, not in my opinion.
This hasn't hit BN yet......I wonder why? lol.
How could Lindsey not know about this or she does and is going along with it.
She doesn't want to bite the hand that feeds her, at least not yet.
Perez will figure it out soon enough. I would say something but I haven't got an account there.
that and theyre both about the same age mentally.
Was Courtney trying to say he was waiting till Frances was legal till he goes all the way?
idk, I'd say borderline perversion. he's 15 years older and she's not even legal. kind of iffy.
does anyone want to spill the beans on GW-Frances on Perez Hilton comment section?
If I had an account I would.
When does she turn 18?
groups im curious to see reactions from when this hits the fan:
mcr camp
msi, amanda palmer, etc
frances
lynz
courtney
this coming August
August 8, 2010.
groups im curious to see reactions from when this hits the fan:
mcr camp
msi, amanda palmer, etc
frances
lynz
courtney
And GW
Can someone explain this? Sorry i think i missed something. Gerard and C Love's daughter are involved? Have I got this wrong?
Do you think Frances is just waiting for her BD? Courtney's tweet made it seem like that's the case.
That's the impression we are getting from CL 3:58.
If Gerard has any brains left he would wait for her birthday.
but i dont think he does 4am
If Gerard has any brains left he would wait for her birthday.
I think he is, and Courtney know that.
Do you think Frances is just waiting for her BD? Courtney's tweet made it seem like that's the case.
makes me remember when chantal tweeted that she cant wait for frances to turn 18.
Creepiness, 4:02.
What scum. They're so much worse than Courtney.
makes me remember when chantal tweeted that she cant wait for frances to turn 18.
Is it some sort of initiation. They can't be that amoral.
I don't like the sound of any "initiation" that group may perform.
This is really serious. If any of this was proven to be true wouldn't it effect his own family and his fitness to parent their own daughter?
It's 4:10 in LA and I bet GW is sleeping soundly with no idea what awaits him.
If any of this was proven to be true wouldn't it effect his own family and his fitness to parent their own daughter?
Of course it will. But he's had it coming. I feel for Bandit and his parents though.
Wait!
Why are we getting this impression. Based on what? Is all of this just assuption? If so, it's fucking dangerous.
could this blog get in trouble for talking about this if it's not true?
Love the herd mentality here. It's just like BN. Someone mentions one little thing and everyone runs with it.
This has been developing on Twitter for months. It's been brewing under the surface and now Ms. Love has brought it to light. The question is, will anyone believe her. I do.
I think Gerard is just as fit to parent Bandit as Lindsey (which isn't saying much) regardless of the Frances situation. I don't know if a judge would feel the same way, though.
Why are we getting this impression. Based on what? Is all of this just assuption? If so, it's fucking dangerous.
Based on what Courtney has said. You know that saying "Only drunks and children tell the truth."
I hope this is all an assumption and that Courtney is trying to separate Frances from who she considers her friends. I think Courtney is relentless and would really try anything to make them uncomfortable. I cannot believe Gerard, though stupid, is that evil.
Love the herd mentality here. It's just like BN. Someone mentions one little thing and everyone runs with it.
Read again. Some are saying they don't believe it, some are saying they would be surprised by it. Lots of different opinions NOT a herd mentality.
It also may be a case a Frances wanting something she can't have.
Maybe Gerard isn't the pervert we thought earlier. Maybe he resisted her coming onto him, if she did, and now she's mad he didn't give in.
Why would CL try to seperate Frances from her friends? It will only make her hate her more.
Maybe Frances has been lying about Gerard? Maybe she had a little fantasy and said something about it which has been misinterperted?
Maybe Frances has been lying about Gerard? Maybe she had a little fantasy and said something about it which has been misinterperted?
That may well be the case.
Maybe Frances implied to Courtney there was something between her and GW. We don't know.
HAPPY VALENTINE'S DAY GERARD AND LINDSEY!
Hahahahahaha.
Or should that be Gerard and Frances? I wonder if Gerard's going to be getting much love today after Lindsey finds out about Courtney's allegations.
Why would CL try to seperate Frances from her friends? It will only make her hate her more.
Courtney doesn't think her friends are real friends to Frances. She probably thinks Frances will only see this when she is no longer involved with them.
Maybe Gerard bought something large for Lindsey for V-day. Didn't he buy their house on the same day?
Maybe Gerard bought something large for Lindsey for V-day. Didn't he buy their house on the same day?
He did. Well he has to do something ridiculous like that. He is Gerard.
Well, I think he bought the house as a loving gesture to his wife. Who he loves.
You don't think buying a house for your wife on Valentine's Day is a bit OTT?
I do.
For most people, yes. For Gerard, no.
CourtneyLoveUK @ultragrrrrl pick a side baby there is no middle with the slob., if you arent part of the solution your part of the problem, sand-line
I feel bad for Sarah.
And, Sarah has now deleted her twitter account.
^Scratch that, she's still there.
Sarah tweeted this:
Oh shit. In some baby momma drama. I have love for both women and think there's just miscommunication and we should all get along.
chantal denied that she gave drugs to frances.
Chantal is a dickface who is going to get what's coming to her.
Hello everyone!
Whoa! What happened here?
So, Crazy-Co is back on Twitter, huh?
I really don't think that she meant Gerard with the 'sweet goth guy'. Gerard hasn't been goth (if he ever was) since 2003 and I bet that Frances knows a lot of little nameless emo/goth dudes in bands she hangs with and aren't famous or at least not mainstream-famous yet.
Courtney isn't afraid to tell names. I mean, she publically stated that Britney was sexually abused as a child and didn't give a rat's ass if she would get sued by the Spears family. So why should she be afraid to use Gerard's name and tell it like it is if there really would be some truth to the asssumption that Frances is having an affair with that skunk.
I don't believe it.
Maybe because she's talking about stat rape?
All I can say is FUCKING HELL!
The plot thickens!
I made a comment a long, long time ago on this blog that the members of MCR/MSI should be very careful associating with Frances because if things somehow went sour, there was no telling what CLove was likely to accuse them of doing.
Looks like my prediction came true.
And somewhere in the sun with a glass of non-alcoholic beverage in his hand, Brian relaxes, knowing that none of this is his problem anymore.
Imagine trying to sort this clusterfuck of a PR nightmare out. I hope they're paying the person a good wage.
Okay, so has Courtney been confining her tweets to Chantal and Sarah, or has she been tweeting to Alicia and Lindsey too? Surely it's only a matter of time before she starts accusing Frances' "adopted mom" of giving her drugs too.
Isn't MCR's usual PR is to ignore everything?
I tried to put this on Perez, but my comment was never published.
No, 7.30, their usual tactic is to lie in interviews.
So far Courtney has tweeted Neil Gaimen, Amanda Palmer, Chantal and Sarah about it.
Can't wait til she starts on the rest.
She needs to start tweeting at Gerard. That will be GOLD.
Oh yes. I forgot. It was Frank's fault the Gerard tried (and failed) to beat him up.
If she tweets Gerard, Lindsey, Alicia or Mikey I'm going to piss myself with laughter.
This may just be gossip, but I was told that the relationship between Brian and the band broke down because the members (mainly Gerard) refused to take the record label's advice about how they conducted their 'private' affairs (i.e. keep them private).
After Elizagate ended and Gerard was made a fool of, he'd promised to be straight with Brian/Warner. I'd heard that he'd instead lied to Brian about his backstage marriage to Lindsay (Brian found out when the fans found out) and that's when things went past the point of repair.
^That wouldn't surprise me.
That sounds reasonable to me too.
Like a lot of us, I think Brian was relieved when Gerard and Eliza ended and then *Bam!* Gerard was involved with those miscreants from MSI. Not only involved, but he married into them.
That's the point where I washed my hands of him. I can totally see Brian doing the same.
I'm skeptical, so...I'll believe it when there's more damning proof, if any.
And OT, but this talk of Brian and Warner makes me think of Marilyn Manson. lol
Personally, I don't think Brian 'washed his hands of them'.
If you think about it from a business point of view, MCR were an investment for him. He poured all his savings that he'd made as a roadie and tour manager into that band, and it more than paid out once The Black Parade did well.
I can see Brian trying to work around issues, because to be frank, MCR were the band he'd dedicated the majority of his professional life to, and built his company around.
I think he became another casualty of Gerard's ego. Brian's the sort who'd tell Gerard how it was and not butter-up his feelings. And Gerard doesn't like the truth, or people who scrutinize his life choices too closely. If you read between the lines of all the recent press, you'l see the band complaining that they 'didn't like the way things were being handled', which is probably to say they didn't like being told that they and the people they hung around with were behaving like dickheads and it was bad for business.
I think they fired Brian because he was trying to plug holes in a sinking ship and they either just don't give a fuck anymore or think they're 'so needed right now' that the record-buying public will eat their new 'hardcore' album up regardless of how they treat their fans.
I remember Gerard whining about how he had to approve the final edit of The Black Parade is Dead! in his hotel room right after the MSG show. I mean, sure, we get that sometimes your life is so hard, Gerard. But the fact is that DVD was going to pay for your 'hiatus' while you were off the road for a year.
What pisses me off is that these people think they are above hard fucking graft, yet they want to live the lifestyle and have all it's benefits. In times like these, Gerard should be thankful he's a product that people want to buy, not bitching about his manager doing something as crazy as, IDK, making him work for a living.
it's = its
Somebody needs to tweet Lindsey and ask her how making hangs with "Rock Royalty" is working out for her.
I bet she's wishing Frances' braclet really was dipped in Hep C.
I think you're all making a big deal out of nothing. I don't see anything in any of these twitters that would cause me to jump to the idiotic conclusions that you're jumping to.
Well, Courtney thinks something is going on. And she's more likey to know then any of us.
She directly said that Chantal had given Frances pot. How is that us jumping to "idiotic conclusions"?
"Oh shit. In some baby momma drama. I have love for both women and think there's just miscommunication and we should all get along."
Woah woah woah. BABY? Maybe Lindsey really is pregnant again?
How does Courtney go from wanting Morningwood to open for her to accusing Chantal of giving Frances drugs? And why Chantal specifically?
Publicity stunt?
Chantal is a drama mongerer and is probably sticking her nose into the bee hive to get more mileage out of this argument. She knows she can exploit the situation to get press.
How does Courtney go from wanting Morningwood to open for her to accusing Chantal of giving Frances drugs? And why Chantal specifically?
I think Courtney learned something this weekend that she didn't know when she said that about Chantal.
Woah woah woah. BABY? Maybe Lindsey really is pregnant again?
Oh right. Because anytime anybody is pregnant, it automatically has to be Lindsey.
*rolls eyes*
I think Sarah means that Frances is the baby and Chantal and Courtney are fighting over her.
Oh right. Because anytime anybody is pregnant, it automatically has to be Lindsey.
*rolls eyes*
If someone were pregnant in this context, who else could it be?
Courtney? I doubt it. Chantal? MSI would be over because Jimmy's already said he'd quit when/if he becomes a father.
Not saying anyone's pregnant btw.
Well seeing how it's Gerard who's being accused it would be natural to assume it's his wife, 9:09. Deep, cleansing breaths.
i think its more the fight between frances's "mamas" courtney and chantal and not a pregnancy thing.
Wait, what? Gerard is being accused of what? Getting his wife pregnant? Do you realize how stupid you sound?
As far as I can tell, Lindsey has never even been brought into this. This fight is between Courtney and Chantal.
I think all of you need to take some deep breaths (and your medication) if you're going to start bringing Gerard and Lindsey and another baby into this.
Well seeing how it's Gerard who's being accused it would be natural to assume it's his wife, 9:09. Deep, cleansing breaths.
Logic. You fail at it.
I think all of you need to take some deep breaths (and your medication) if you're going to start bringing Gerard and Lindsey and another baby into this.
Well you could be a little nicer about it, but I have to say I agree with you.
Not everything is about Gerard and Lindsey.
Chantal is probably hoping and praying that somebody like Perez Hilton does pick this up. It's not like her record is burning up the sales charts. She could use a little publicity right about now.
ONE person mentions Lindsey having a baby and you think EVERYONE is thinking that way. Not true.
ONE person mentions Lindsey having a baby and you think EVERYONE is thinking that way. Not true.
Agreed. That's the last thing I would have thought. That just kind of came out of left field.
Sorry, I did not mean to imply that everyone on this blog was saying that.
My comment was addressed to the person saying that it was "natural to assume" that Gerard and Lindsey would be having another baby from the "baby momma drama" comment.
I think all of you need to take some deep breaths (and your medication)
I think all of you need to take some deep breaths (and your medication) if you're going to start bringing Gerard and Lindsey and another baby into this.
Perhaps you should read further before you get your panties all in a wad.
It seemed to me that there was more than one person saying that and I was addressing all of them.
Now, can we stop arguing about something trivial please?
10:06, you are the worst n00b.
And you are a troll, 10:09.
Okay. Enough. We don't need to turn on each other over a misunderstanding.
You need to backread more or gtfo.
@neilhimself are you the only sane person whose not usoing my daugter for money
I think Courtney knows more than FBC wants her to know..
wich CRAZY ASS fired from 2 firms felon Gerladine Wilde said weere "forgeries" ( i must say to GW PAUL CHAMBERLAIN BITCH!)
This was bound to happen sooner or later. Like someone said before, Courtney may come off as an idiot, but she is extremely smart when it comes to the press and how to keep her name in it. Accusing a bunch of rock stars of corrupting her daughter will give her a boost, even if the rock stars are semi-celebrities themselves. They should have never become friends with Frances, it was trouble just waiting to happen. I think they were just too enamoured by the idea of hanging w/ Kurt Cobain's kid that they never stopped to question how things might turn out if Courtney ever got pissed. I predict much more Courtney craziness in the coming months. I can't wait to see how it all comes out.
Courtney is very entertaining to read even if you don't understand her.
What did they possibly think they had to gain by becoming friends with Frances? If it does get in the actual press you know the media is going to see it as a bunch of 30+ year old opportunists trying to make a name for themselves on the back of a 17 year old fangirl who is too naive to know any better.
Courtney will get mileage out of it because everyone expects her to look like a loon. Frances will come off as a total innocent and Chantal, JU, GW and Co. are going to just seem sad and pathetic.
Chantal, JU, GW and Co. are going to just seem sad and pathetic.
Sad, pathetic fame whores who would use a little girl to further their own careers.
It's hard to believe they were that stupid.
It's hard to believe they were that stupid.
Not really, no.
Everything they've done the past two and a half years (three if you throw in the Eliza drama) has been nothing short of idiotic.
Face it. They're all morons.
They are morons. Brian hid it well. He must have also been aware of Gerard's cheating with Eliza for years and covered it. That doesn't make him a swell guy in my books.
Brian's job was to manage a band, not slap them on the wrist for their private lives.
Regardless of what Brian asked them to do, they're adults. He couldn't exactly lock them inside their hotel rooms alone every night. Why do you think he's not around anymore? Maybe because he didn't feel like overseeing another round of them acting like dippy lovestruck assholes?
Right, because clearly Brian didn't have a problem with the whole WMHC saga.
STOP MAKING EXCUSES FOR GERARD & CO'S SHITTY BEHAVIOR. They fucked up and lied. They made the choice to cheat and behave like assholes. Stop taking everyone who's ever shared a breathing space with them to task.
They're adults who don't act like adults.
Still no word from the MCR camp. Why am I not surprised?
Exactly, and Brian's job, as a manager of a band with a huge teenage fanbase, however 'respectful' or not you find it, was to manage them and deal with the problems caused by their shitty behavior.
He can't tell adults what to say and do, he just had the task of trying to clean it up. If anything I pity him, because it must have been a nightmare trying to be professional around those morons.
Hahaha, all this talk reminds me of Eliza's 'fanfic'. There was a part where she details how Brian basically told her to fuck off and stop stalking Gerard.
But I guess Gerard had other ideas.
I personally believe that the band owes Brian everything. I don't think they would be where they are now without him.
Obviously, they don't think so though. They think they can do things their way now. It will be interesting to see just how long they last without him.
I think this whole vocal chords problem is a smokescreen for the Frances Bean saga he's trying to fix up behind the scenes.
Maybe they should have stayed as nothing.
for the love of all that is holy i hope it at least turns out that he was just planning to wait till shes 18 and hasnt already done something
Hahaha, all this talk reminds me of Eliza's 'fanfic'. There was a part where she details how Brian basically told her to fuck off and stop stalking Gerard.
But I guess Gerard had other ideas.
Someone once said he seems to do the opposite of what you want him to do.
It's funny, you get Frank bitching and moaning about having to spend thousands of dollars getting a good lawyer after his hate-spewing side project attracts FBI attention, and then you get Brian tweeting that he's thankful to have a roof over his head and food on his plate every day, and that he doesn't need anything else.
Worlds apart.
I really hope this incident wakes some fans up to how their idols really are.
It won't. They'll will think that Courtney is a nutcase shirring up shit. They though the same with Bert McCracken. Turn outs he was the wise one.
I'm sure Brian has his faults. I personally find his sense of humor quite strange and thought he was a little bit harsh about FOB/Pete Wentz, but in all, I think he mostly comes across as a sound guy who knows what side his bread's buttered on and isn't obsessed with celebrity/money/entitlement like MCR and their friends seem to be.
Maybe that's what burning out in the music business does to you, but I'd much rather read his twitter and see the occasional bitter comment than read Frank telling complete strangers to abort their children.
Frank really has a way of getting even with Gerard.
I really hope this incident wakes some fans up to how their idols really are.
Some fans will never believe anything bad about these guys. If Frances had gotten pregnant with Gerard's child at fifteen, and the court ordered paternity tests on all five members of the band because there was proof that they all slept with her, the fansheep would just call Frances a slut and blame her for it.
Trufax.
Why would anyone want to sleep with GW apart from Lindsey who imo is desperate.
^
I'm personally not surprised.
He has that androgynous thing that seems popular, and had the whole comic book nerd thing going on.
I wouldn't go there, but w/e.
The fact that the later 12:54 is right saddens me greatly.
Why would anyone want to sleep with GW apart from Lindsey who imo is desperate.
Because they're 13 and they think he's so HAWT?
Seriously, it beats the hell outta me. I think he's gross.
I think the fact that they've cancelled shows is because there's internal issues with the band. Maybe Ray's pissed with the current press Gerard's done. Maybe Bob's walked out. Mikey's back on the booze and pills cocktail. Who knows.
Even though there could be issues within the band aren't they contractually obligated to play? It has to be serious to pull out.
Internal issues are serious if the band refuse to play together on stage.
The 'illness' story is exactly the same stunt they pulled when Bob 'broke his wrist' and they cancelled a show yet opened for Bon Jovi two nights later. If they pull the health card they can wriggle out of any contracual obligations.
It's probably not as difficult to get out of playing a festival as it is a headlining show (like the one they canceled in Maine). There are other bands so the show goes on.
I don't think bands make all that much money from festival shows. There are too many bands to divide the proceeds between and the ticket prices can't be inflated that much. Most bands play festivals more for exposure to new audiences than anything.
It's interesting that we've found out that the album release date is apparently being pushed back by the label. And then they cancel what are probably make-or-break shows for getting new fans in. Top this off with all the talk of 'fine tuning' the record makes me think the label weren't happy with the pile of shit the band handed in and sent them back into the studio to fix up a product that would appeal to the crowds of the late summer fesitvals.
if anything i think they would drive away potential new listeners judging from how they performed at summer sonic
Maybe the guys at the label have been watching the band's youtube performances and they sent Gerard to the "throat doctor". Or likely, a voice teacher.
Maybe tallicadude didn't like what he was told to promote?
When do MCR's release dates not get pushed back?
If I were still a fan I'd be so sick of that shit. You know they have to go back in and tweak Gerard's off-key (and sometimes no-key) vocals.
MCR: the Milli Vanilli of Rock
I think you guys are going way too far about the Frances/Gerard affair speculation. Gerard has some faults but I could never believe he'd be creeping on a 17 year old girl.
Honestly, I don't believe he screwed FBC at all. I do however believe that Courtney will take this as far as she can, true or not, and it will ruin what little reputation MCR has. They should have stayed as far away from FBC as they could. As far as Chantal giving Frances drugs? I can see that being more plausible then GW and Frances having an affair.
Changed my mind. I doubt she would call her own daughter a desperate stalker. She seems too keen on looking the part of the ultimate loving mother. Probably Gerard though. She doesn't know that many goths. These people are disgusting.
Surely Courtney wasn't talking about Frances in that "desperate stalker" tweet. I can't stand the woman, but I don't think even she would say something so awful about her own daughter.
Why is it that some celebs seem to know how to use Twitter appropriately and others don't?
The people from MCR/MSI and other rock bands should take a lesson from on how to make themselves seem more (not less) appealing to their fans via twitter.
This place has sunk to a new low.
How dare you crazy people accuse Gerard Way of such a horrible thing. I looked at Courtney Love's twitter and I could find no evidence of any of the things you said. I don't even see where she said anything to Chantal. I think that Chantal's comments were meant as a joke.
Is there no low to which you people won't stoop to try and discredit a man who has done nothing but share his creativity with ungrateful people like you? I am appalled.
I read the Chantal and Courtney tweets and I can assure you they are there. I don't see anyone here accusing Geetard of anything, simply speculating which isn't illegal. Even you should be able to admit that a 16/17 yr old girl hanging with people in their 30's isn't appropriate. It's asking for trouble.
Why is it that some celebs seem to know how to use Twitter appropriately and others don't?
The people from MCR/MSI and other rock bands should take a lesson from on how to make themselves seem more (not less) appealing to their fans via twitter.
There's only one "rock star" I like on Twitter and it's no one from MCR.
There's only one "rock star" I like on Twitter and it's no one from MCR.
Same here. And he doesn't tweet constantly nor does he talk to his famous friends. He just lets people know what's going on with him and/or his band. He is also quick to dispel any rumors and set the record straight should bad press pop up.
I also follow a couple of actors who do the same thing. I liked them before Twitter, but after reading how clever, funny, sweet they can be I find I like them even more.
Just been reading back over the whole CL drama and decided to check out the tweets myself. Found this, which I don't believe was mentioned here, and wondered why it was omitted:
Id name someone else and i may well do it but id rather serve that mama vengeance cold and anonomyously my my we get a "power" bf and whoops
It's certainly interesting to speculate on, especially since later on she calls someone out for being an 'MCR fan' which seems to signal that they have some involvement, however periphirally. However, I don't think there is any wrong doing going on between GW and FBC. I just don't see it happening.
I don't really see anything happening between Frances and Gerard either, but then I didn't believe he would be dumb enough to get involved with someone as idiotic as Eliza either. Nor did I think he would ever get married to somebody he'd been in a relationship with for 6 weeks -- at the end of a whirlwind festival courtship.
So, while the whole Frances/Gerard thing seems preposterous, where Gerard Way is concerned, you never really know.
cl was not referring to Frances Bean when she said "desperate stalker". she was inferring that gw was delusional about going all the way with that person(marry)which means that the reason that the mcr camp has been so silent on their twitters for the last few weeks is b/c lynz and gw are going through divorce proceedings. and he's going to make his move on the "delusional stalker" now. it was all planned, I think.
What's Courtney Love's twitter?
cl was not referring to Frances Bean when she said "desperate stalker". she was inferring that gw was delusional about going all the way with that person(marry)which means that the reason that the mcr camp has been so silent on their twitters for the last few weeks is b/c lynz and gw are going through divorce proceedings. and he's going to make his move on the "delusional stalker" now. it was all planned, I think.
Woah, what?
It honestly wouldn't surprise if GW and lynz divorce some time before or shortly after the album is released. But not because of Frances. I think those two were headed for divorce court the moment they got married. Marriage is hard all by itself, factor in that they hardly knew each other, had a baby within the first year, and have careers that keep them apart for long periods of time. I don't see how the marriage could last given all that.
Is GW divorcing Lynz? Where was this announced?
I think it could have worked in the long run if they'd actually, you know, gotten to know each other for a longer period of time before getting hitched.
If there's any truth to this, I feel bad for Bandit.
Is 9:29 saying he's divorcing Lynz to marry FBC on her 18th?
I don't understand why they didn't live together for a while. What was the hurry?
^
I don't think so.
Sorry, that was meant for the post above.
9:29 was just giving their own spin on Courtney's tweet. I really don't think they're divorcing.
It honestly wouldn't surprise if GW and lynz divorce some time before or shortly after the album is released. But not because of Frances. I think those two were headed for divorce court the moment they got married. Marriage is hard all by itself, factor in that they hardly knew each other, had a baby within the first year, and have careers that keep them apart for long periods of time. I don't see how the marriage could last given all that.
Actually, I think it can work depending on the people. Didn't Jack White and Karen Elson get engaged not that long after they started dating? They've been married for a while now and have two kids.
There are always exceptions to the rule, but in general I would think the strain on a marriage like their would eventually force a split. Then again, they prove everyone wrong and stay married forever.
Surely CL wouldn't call FBC a "desperate stalker". It has to be someone else. It could be Eliza he's returning to.
CourtneyLoveUK tomorrow is restraining order day so bye bye hangers on & unfit relatives and shiteating lying "lawyer" "guardians" who will be disbarred!
Thank goodness. I don't believe Gerard has done anything, but this is going to be Courtney's chance to get her daughter away from Chantal.
does cl actually have any authority over frances anymore? after losing custody and whatnot
If GW had shagged FBC, then why isn't it in the news? Fair enough, he's not a big deal, but the daughter of KC is, in particular if things are happening before she's old enough.
Someone needs to tweet courtney and ask her straight away.she seems to reply to almost everyone lately and it'll be awesome to hear what she's going to say xD
"Desperate stalker" sounds a lot like eliza.who knows maybe they are getting back together? Didn't she recently tweet about talking to her ex about how much they hate us (fans)?
"Desperate stalker" sounds a lot like eliza.who knows maybe they are getting back together? Didn't she recently tweet about talking to her ex about how much they hate us (fans)?
and it'll be awesome to hear what she's going to say xD
February 15, 2010 2:21 AM
You are disgusting. You seem to be actually excited that something illicit may have happened between a minor and an adult. Do you have any realization of how much of a pig this makes you?
Who is the monster, the one who does the act, or the one who cheers him on.
Many of you, please, think before you type.
To go and suggest tweeting a person who is so obviously distressed over losing the right to parent her child and then suggest to her that something illicit happened between her child and a married man is not only breathtakingly stupid, but unconscionable.
Do you realize the can of worms you could open for yourself? How she could react, how it could effect the people named?
You are slurring the repudiations of people with serious allegations and no proof, but some speculative tweets that you could be entirely misinterpreting.
My God, how prudish you all are!
Frances is 17, not 12! Here in Germany nobody would give a flying fuck about a 17-year-old girl having sex with a 32-year-old man. Is it appropriate? No. Would he be an asshole if he would cheat on his wife who just had a baby with him? Yes. Would he be a predator or a pervert? No!
You should realize that teenagers aren't the same as twenty years ago.
Hell, when I was 12-years-old I was still running around with my favorite stuffed animal.
Nowadays 12-year-old most likely already had their first sexual experience with an older boy.
Do I think that this is a fortunate development? No, but times change and many teenagers can't be seen as little children anymore. Girls are getting their periods way earlier, they're hitting puberty way earlier and thus are interested in sex way earlier than the teenager generations before them. That's the way of life.
And does anyone here really think that Frances is still a virgin?
But I still want to point out that I don't believe that Gerard and Frances had or have an affair.
I agree, this is fucked up talk. We know nothing, but this is the kind of thing that can spiral until the damage is so bad that it could ruin people's reputations beyond redemption. And for what? Because you suspected all along that GW was lying to you? With a few songs? Like that's the worst thing in the world? Like ALL rockstars don't do that? So now, you're all ready to believe and twist a few tweets in to this?
I agree with that other person, you all push you're bad qualities onto him, and you're all disgusting.
How the fuck is it prudish Siobhan?
Siobhan - you're talking about this as if it's true! It's all just speculation.
Siobhan the laws in Germany are different. It's a felony here.
You should realize that teenagers aren't the same as twenty years ago.
Hell, when I was 12-years-old I was still running around with my favorite stuffed animal.
Nowadays 12-year-old most likely already had their first sexual experience with an older boy.
It doesn't mean their emotional development is all that different to twenty years ago, they're just exposed to more. More they can't handle.
I agree with that other person, you all push you're bad qualities onto him, and you're all disgusting.
Stop calling these people disgusting. If you want to make someone listen don't denigrate them. Use logic.
600th comment!
How the fuck is it prudish Siobhan?
It's prudish because a 17-year-old is not a child anymore and also shouldn't be treated as one.
Siobhan - you're talking about this as if it's true! It's all just speculation.
No, I don't talk about this as if it's true! I was only stating my opinion as to why it shouldn't be such a big deal if a random 17-year-old would have sex with a random 30-something-
year-old!
Siobhan the laws in Germany are different. It's a felony here.
I know that it's a felony in the U. S. of A., anon, but I find it exaggerated nonetheless. At least if it concerns teenagers that age.
It's prudish because a 17-year-old is not a child anymore and also shouldn't be treated as one.
They're not really an adult either, even though they think they are.
Siobhan in Europe you are far more liberal when it comes to attitudes in regards to sex and nudity however you're talking about the U.S of A where it's a big deal for a 17 year to be involved with someone nearly twice her age!
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