Tuesday, November 20, 2007

"I must be one of those narcissists who only appreciate things when they're gone."

"Hey, girls, you're beautiful. Don't look at those stupid magazines with sticklike models. Eat healthy and exercise. That's all. Don't let anyone tell you you're not good enough. You're good enough, you are too good. Love your family with all your heart and listen to it. You are gorgeous, whether you're a size 4 or 14. It doesn't matter what you look like on the outside, as long as you're a good person, as long as you respect others. I know it's been told hundreds of times before, but it's true. Hey, girls, you are beautiful."

"Now that we have your undivided female attention, I want you to do us a favor. You're gonna be going to rock shows for the rest of your natural life, right ladies? Ladies, let me hear you holler! If you ever see shitty ass rock dudes in shitty ass rock bands asking you to show them your tits for a backstage pass, I want you to spit right in their fuckin' face and yell FUCK YOU!"

How did we go from that, to this?

"I wanna hear you fuck yourselves. I wanna hear you ACTUALLY fuck yourselves. What does that sound like? Let me hear you fuck yourselves!"

So it's not alright for singers to ask girls to show their tits, but getting a bunch of fourteen year old girls, or ANY age girls to simulate an orgasm for you is different and that makes it OK?

He also said "This is a song about sucking dick for cocaine." It's not too far out to think that an ex junkie in recovery would joke about his addictions. Bt until recently it seemed unlikely for ex junkie Gerard to joke about it in front of all his fans. I'm sensing that old "there is truth in every joke" cliche. Actually I have no doubt in my mind whatsoever that he is back on cocaine. No doubt at all.

Addendum. This from an anonymous source who has no reason to lie, and who didn't know even who was in MCR.

"I admittedly know next to nothing about MCR (one of my students is super into them, as are several of my friends, but i have never heard their music) but google tells me he's married to a chick in Mindless Self Indulgence, a band i do know something about (at one time, personally, [more personal info deleted]) and yes, they are massive fucking drug casualties. Sad.

Long ago in another life (ok not that long, but it sure feels like it) i was a pretty well-known promoter (personal info deleted) before that.....I worked for a series of clubs, one of which MSI played at frequently on tours. I definitely remember things being pretty ridiculous for the show/release of "(album deleted so as not to identify the source of this story).... They were train-freakin-wreckage, no mistake.

IIRC there was a huge fracas because the club security caught one of them banging some chick in the restroom and tried to throw them both out, there was a lot of "don't you know who i am?!!" dickwaving (maybe literally?), clearly everyone was blown to pieces on drugs, etc.

Night. Mare. It was a repulsive restroom, even. Not that any restroom is like, sweet sexy lovenest or something, but if you had to pick a restroom in which to hit it, this was NOT THE ONE.

The world is full of people massively depressed and mentally screwed up... so i doubly feel for this Way fellow.


I think it's obvious why Gerard is acting this way.

So Frank left the tour. Why? Family issues, that's what they officially said. "They" does not mean Frank himself, but Gerard and their publicity people. Yet Frank is supposed to allegedly return on a scheduled date. A few people have been asking "how do you know when your emergency is going to be over"?

I do not accuse Frank of lying. I trust him. I know he's human and fallible but I trust him and still think he is such a good man. But I do accuse others of lying FOR him. Somehow I can get the impression of him saying "Tell them what you want" before leaving. I really hope that nothing is wrong with someone in Frank's family so maybe it is wishful thinking, because I think most people want the best for him, a truly good man. But it seems strange. Frank and Gerard have been avoiding each other on stage since even before this tour. If you think about it they have been weird with each other on stage since this tour was announced. Maybe a little before. That's when all their fun started to end it seems like, and all the trouble started. Even the fangirls were lamenting the loss of their "Frerard" and acting worried... Why were those too avoiding each other? Gerard didn't even introduce Frank at a few shows when he introduced everyone else.

So now that Frank is gone, it looks like Gerard is cracking up further. No balance. He is out of control. I wonder what Frank's face would have looked like while Gerard was telling a bunch of fourteen year old girls, the children he used to claim to want to help, to "go fuck yourselves" and making them moan for him. The women he used to say it was so wrong to degrade. Now he degrades them and enjoys it. What would Frank have thought of that?

"I can find real beauty in things, I was never able to do that, I thought--everything disgusted me, and I was [a] very angry little dude and I don't feel so angry anymore. I just wanna kind of give the world something special."

* TasteiTTV interview in early 2007


Then only a few weeks ago we have this TasteitTV interview. This is a great interview and the interviewer knows what she's talking about. I think she knows exactly what is going on. She asks Gerard if there is a link between the artist and his creations. Basically she asks him if you need to practice what you preach. He evades and squirms and finally tells her, No, it is not important to practice what you preach. She says, "Imagine that someone is singing loves songs and about respect towards people, and then he is a complete asshole behind the stage." Oh yes, she knows what's going on. It's interesting to watch Gerard try to avoid this question and fail. She also mentions respecting women. "If I look at it as a fan," she says "I wouldn't be able to listen to that person anymore." Watch Gerard's face when she says that. Then Gerard brings up the painter Carravaggio and says he was a "womanizer" and says, "Once you know that about him, does it make his paintings any less beautiful? ... No, it doesn't." Who are we really talking about here, Gerard? She tells him, "It depends on what he paints. Imagine that he's painting about respect...... And then he's like, fake." Watch his face when she says that.

He then tries to evade by saying that he's "boring" and she tells him, "It's not about being boring." She tells him it's about the things he used to say between songs in the earlier days. "How girls should have respect" she points out to him.

"I find myself saying a lot less of those things these days," Gerard says. The interviewer fearlessly keeps pressing him on this subject. Watch him squirm.

An anonymous poster at a blog having to do with MCR fandom said this....

Then, circa LOTMS "We love to play. But that's really not why we all started this. It wasn't because we loved to play. It's because we had a purpose...We've always been pretty adamant or vocal about our message."
"We're the anti rock and roll."

Now, tasteittv "There is a lot this band has said and I think that's great and I think now when we play live, it's more about playing together and really enjoying that moment and really just being a rock band. And I think we've made a lot of statements and said a lot of things and I think that that's cool. We did that for years. And now it feels cool to get up there and not say anything and let the songs speak and just do that. 'Cause sometimes that stuff can detract from the show."

Guess the 'message' had a short shelf life. Maybe it's much easier to be just another rock band. I'm done.


I agree with that anonymous person. OK, deciding to not speak out for the issues anymore is one thing. But going from "don't take disrespect from rock bands!" right to "I want you all to fake an orgasm and moan for me" is a HUGE difference.

Gerard once said, When this stops being special, when we become part of the problem, it will be time to quit. It can happen on the next record or five records from now. When this stops meaning something, we'll all walk away.

Walk away.

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Anonymous said...

AMEN.

Anonymous said...

I can't say this surprises me... I wish it did, but it was only a matter of time.
Mr Way is not a strong person. Never was.
Perhaps he never will be.

Jennicula said...

Wow! Very good VV.

Good job!

Martha Smith-Jones said...

V V we forgot to tell you there was anon poster who told us about this interview before it came out. S/he said to watch how Gerard Derailed the personal question. This anon also warned us about the Frank Kerange interview.

MissTottenham said...

Can you hear the applause VV, cos I am giving you a standing ovation.

resurrected wreck said...

In Frank had been with them on stage in Belfast, what do you think he would have done after Gerard told his audience of kids to fuck themselves for him? My money's on walk away.

Anonymous said...

The last quote gets me.


"When this stops meaning something, we'll all walk away."

Walk away.



I, too, believe it's time to walk away from this. It's kinda like hanging onto something that's not valuable. You know you should chuck it, but it's kind of like a security blanket.

I hold Gerard completely responsible for the detriment of this band. This is all in his hands. He needs to be the one to realize that, have some balls, and tell the other guys that this just isn't "it" for him anymore.

Maybe this just isn't "it" for the rest of them as well.

But, it isn't "it" for me.

That sliver of shining light where I thought things could be fixed is diminishing every day. When videos appear like the one posted today, it makes me feel as if this was all just a joke. It's not funny. It's not cute. It's everything we were always against, and Gerard was always against.

Now it isn't.

Fimble Star said...

VV well said. i think you have just writen down what a lot of us thought. thank you.
its a big change that i see and i do not like that change at all.

Anonymous said...

Welcome back VV. I hope you are doing okay. I am not quite sure what to say here. I am disappointed, pissed off, and mainly, just disappointed, and pissed off. This situation is something that I cannot put my words into. This entire thing is just miserable to hear.
I wonder what's going to happen next?

Anonymous said...

An excellent post.

Why are we still all holding onto this band that has ditches us, though?

You see it's never bad enough to just leave or give up
But it's never good enough to feel right.


But it is bad enough to leave and give up.

If anyone here can tell me why, cookies to you.

Entropy said...

Greatly said as always, VV.

Shame in me said...

A-fucking-men
well-fucking-said
and gerard fucking way is not o-fucking-k
what a complete and utter fuck

apologies for the language

Anonymous said...

A whole blog dedicated to MCR hating PLEASE!!!!@! If you hat them so much just go away just fuck off. God dont waste your time or there's or MINE!

Anonymous said...

I'm ignoring this blog!!!

Anonymous said...

VV, your seriously running out of shit to say.

Shame in me said...

hahahaha lmao at the anon.
yeah commenting on this blog and telling us to fuck off is really ignoring us huh? go away child your obviously to young to form an actual opinion so carry on being a sheep baa!!!

Anonymous said...

VV why don't YOU walk away. TO your death.

Loli Lovette said...

Hit rock bottom.

Walk away.

Do you want to be remembered as an illusionist or a visionary?

It's either or.

Anonymous said...

Goodness, so many people are claiming that Gerard and the band itself have changed. It sounded like she/he has an immense grudge against the band and Gerard in particular to spend time DELIBERATELY searching for videos and interviews to piece this blog together.

Those "fans" who have lost faith in them need to just "walk away."

Loli Lovette said...

VV why don't YOU walk away. TO your death.

Now that was uncalled for. How old are you? I'm pretty sure that your festering little comments are indicative of it.

Fimble Star said...

Anonymous said...
Goodness, so many people are claiming that Gerard and the band itself have changed. It sounded like she/he has an immense grudge against the band and Gerard in particular to spend time DELIBERATELY searching for videos and interviews to piece this blog together.

Those "fans" who have lost faith in them need to just "walk away."

November 20, 2007 8:27 PM



why hello SPARLINGAPPLECIDER from ino. nice of you to venture over here. you forgot to add the bit where you said your eyes are wide open.

Anonymous said...

vv, your one bitter and obsessed woman.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous', don't kill the messenger.

Read the message. Take the time to think about what's been going on through the summer.

This message is not about hating MCR, but noticing and caring enough about the changes to make a statement.

Anyone remember G tackling Frank? Anyone remember G throwing vomit on fans? Those are changes. Changes I don't like or want to see again.

Martha Smith-Jones said...

So anon why are you hear if its a waste of time. Why don't you walk away. Bitter and obsessed I would say that is you guys if you don't like it don't read it.

Loli Lovette said...

Alright, alright, anons.

First off, there IS a difference between 'your' and 'you're', especially if you are going to insult someone.

Second, if you are going to say something, call someone out, then have the courage to do it with a name. Not anonymous. Don't fade into the woodwork. If you're going to say something, 'STAND UP FUCKING TALL'. If you're going to spew degredations in regards to someone, grow some balls, and say it with a handle so that we can address you as something other than 'anon'. You're hiding behind a generalized handle for a reason, aren't you.

Anonymous said...

The only reason why I left that out was because I was making a point to the user who claimed:

"people need to open their eyes to what is going on. unfortunatly a lot of people have their eyes closed. "

It would have been irrelevant if I were to post that last sentence here.

Martha Smith-Jones said...

God damn it they really need an edit button on here not hear. Shit Its here not hear.

anima said...

VV, I admire what you do.

I am conflicted. You are strong.

I still do not support your opinion entirely and I struggle. You point and point. I do not agree with your tactics.

Anonymous said...

People need to show some fucking sense and SHUT VV UP FOR GOOD. She is bringing down Gerard. Out of jealousy of his success..... and his love.

Anonymous said...

V V, It must take you alot time to scourer the internet watching video after video of MCR, reading interviews and browsing thru forums trying to find some bullshit you can say about Gerard, I guess thats why it took you so long to post something new on your blog. Seriously, how do you find the time?

sister midnite said...

VV, fantastic post, as always.

The reason why some of have yet to walk away?

Hope.

And three guys, ALSO in the band, who are still the same three guys I've always respected.

As dreary as the situation has become, I still like the music. And probably always will. There's nothing like it.

I listen to my instincts. I've had a bad feeling for quite some time now. (ie., close call still to come). But if these five guys can get through this, they could come back better than ever.

As always, I wholly respect your opinion, and agree with much of what you've said. However, I'm not counting these guys out just yet.

- Sis Midnite

Martha Smith-Jones said...

Are you the mark of love anon I'm still laughing at that silly shit. I love how the only come back you guys can come back with is that someone is jealous.

Anonymous said...

I guess thats why it took you so long to post something new on your blog. Seriously, how do you find the time?

Did you seriously just ask Verita why it took her so long to post and then attack her for "finding the time?"

Oh my god.

There are two distinct opinions going on here. And one of them is spelled and phrased very badly each and every time. I wonder why that is?

Martha Smith-Jones said...

Well anon unlike you we adults have jobs and families that we take are of so we can spend our time lurking in the shadows waiting for someone we don't like to post on their blog. As far as having to scourer the Internet it all on you tube and not that hard to find. Two clicks of a mouse and you usually have it. And the quotes I would thank the other fans for keeping the alive on the Internet and easy to find.

Carrie said...

Thanks, vv--encapsulated everything I was feeling and gave me chills. Kudos.

Anonymous said...

And actually, Verita came on tonight and asked us all to help her find these links. A bunch of us poured in with all various info. I think the whole thing took maybe an hour. Does that answer your question?

Anonymous said...

She is bringing down Gerard. Out of jealousy of his success..... and his love.


See, it's comments such as the one I've taken the time to copy and paste, that make me giggle uncontrollably, first for the sheer hilarity of the comment, and well, mainly just because of the hilarity of the comment.

Out of jealousy of his success? How about rephrasing this to "Out of jealousy for the band's success."

For the last fucking time, Gerard is not the band. If it weren't for the band, the dude would have no music to sing to, am I right?

And keeping with the "jealousy of his success" comment, said dude would not even have a comic book today had it not been for the band.

Gerard's success came WITH the band.

Jealous? Fuck no. You couldn't pay me to do what they do every night. I commend them for that. But, I'm sure as hell not jealous of it.

"....and his love." Yes, and?

His love for what? Lyn-Z I'm assuming.

Again, for the last fucking time, this IS NOT about the wife.

Why the hell does the word girlfriend or wife always follow the word jealous any time Gerard Way is mentioned in accordance with fans who call him out on shit?

Someone, please explain.

anima said...

VV, are you still looking to quote?

:)

Anonymous said...

Fuck Ya! FINALLY somebody speaks the truth! You took the words right out of my mouth. I am so fucking sick of everyone having this blurred reality! Thank You for keeping a clear mind and speaking it! Run Frank! Run far away and never look back!

Anonymous said...

your not a MCR hating blog....just tell it like you see it.The truth will show in time.He only has so little to hold on to now then it will disappear.

Anonymous said...

To all the ignorent little 'army' children - Please get your facts straight before hurling insults to VV about having too much time on her hands to look all of this up! You need to take a good hard look at one of your 'leaders' who is known for her repetitive and idiotic 'novels' she is constantly posting on your precious BN. Quote after quote of repetitive psycho babble. Hypocrits!

Anonymous said...

Bitch, its on. The MCArmy has it's own back. Its so on.

You are a bitter jealous person who is angry that Gerard got married.... you put him on a pedestal and when he doesn't live up to your ecspectation you rip him down. It is sad and pathetic.

Why don't you come over to BN again and face us instead of RUNNING AWAY. We are waiting for you there...........

Anonymous said...

I'm so glad that wasn't in reference to me Anon. Or I'd repost what I posted a few posts up. Yes! for alliteration.

Take care of your arguments elsewhere, por favor.

Martha Smith-Jones said...

Anon at 9:57 I think you should take a good look in the mirror to see who really is sad and pathetic.

You don't like what someone has to say so you threaten them and as an anon no less.

Anonymous said...

You are a bitter jealous person who is angry that Gerard got married.... you put him on a pedestal and when he doesn't live up to your ecspectation you rip him down. It is sad and pathetic.

Seems like I've heard that tune before...in fact I think I have the sheet music around here somewhere. You are a repetitive and boring person who has no compelling arguement that can prove this untrue so you resort to the old, boring and tired chant of "yur jus jelus that he got married." Come back when you have something new to say.

Anonymous said...

Maybe VV should come back when SHE has something new to say. Bu tsame old song and dance! Oh Gerard is a druggie oh he changes since he got married!!!

Yeah you are not having his babies. Get over it!!!!

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Maybe VV should come back when SHE has something new to say. Bu tsame old song and dance! Oh Gerard is a druggie oh he changes since he got married!!!

Yeah you are not having his babies. Get over it!!!!


Anons like yourself make me giggle so much. If you disagree with what is said here, why return? Why continue to comment? Maybe you need to get over it.

Martha Smith-Jones said...

Anon She was saying he hanged before he got married.

Martha Smith-Jones said...

Changed my C button is sticking.

Anonymous said...

Do any of your little mcrmy members know how to read? Nevermind, judging by your uneducated resposes, I guess not.

Anonymous said...

MC ARMY! TRY TO GET THiS BLOG DELETED!!!! It is no use having this blog. Its just a hater. And spreading rumors HELLO, SLANDER!!! Isn't there some one we can tell!

Anonymous said...

Quoted for emphasis:

Why the hell does the word girlfriend or wife always follow the word jealous any time Gerard Way is mentioned in accordance with fans who call him out on shit?

Someone, please explain.


Seriously, that is a shitty comeback and has become used up. Find another reason why we're "such bad fans."

This is not about Lyn-Z. This about the band and how Gerard, alone, is throwing everything they'd ever worked to achieve down the drain.

If that makes me a "jealous fan girl," then I've just aquired a new title.

Anonymous said...

Voluptuousity has got your back. Go read up her awesome response!!!!! Yes Vrita and the rest of you are jealous !!! That Grard is giving fans what they want! How can that be seen as degrading!! Girls in the audinece LOVE shit like that. they WANT it.

Anonymous said...

Weelllll, technically it wouldn't be "slander," dear Anon.


It would be libel, as it is in writing.

And no, there's no one you can tell, as the First Amendment is still in effect.

Anything else?

Anonymous said...

And who cares about the girls in the audience?


What happened to the music? Don't you want to hear music instead of a meistro conducting a symphony of simulated orgasms?

Anonymous said...

Did I just read something akin to "they were asking for it?"

Because if so, please light yourself on fire.

Anonymous said...

Anon@10:27:

Are you kids from the mcrmy.com or .net?

Anonymous said...

First of all, slander would be if someone took out an ad, in say, the NY Times and said something like "Gerard Way is pedophile." That would be slander and he could sue the publication.
In the world of the internet a blog such as this one is for discussions, rumour or otherwise. It is not considered slander. If you are considering slander to be rumours, then wouldn't all rumours be slander? Including the cupcake snatching thigh hand, foot chest, etc.? Of course not.
I am curious, though, if you thing everyone on this blog is full of it and all of this is just stupid gossip, why are you so determined that this blog be shut down? Disagree with us - then go away. It really is that simple. Maybe you are afraid that there is some truth here that could shatter your perfect little "Gerard is a God" world. Maybe the evidence of something not quite right with Gerard and the band is scaring you. I understand. I do. I remember way before this blog, people were talking about changes and I didn't want to believe. But then I witnessed a shocking thing with my own two eyes and I can't go back to that place of denial and blind faith.
But again, if you dislike this blog so much, stop dropping by to read and comment.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Voluptuousity has got your back. Go read up her awesome response!!!!! Yes Vrita and the rest of you are jealous !!! That Grard is giving fans what they want! How can that be seen as degrading!! Girls in the audinece LOVE shit like that. they WANT it.


That's not what I WANT. This girl does NOT love shit like that.

Anonymous said...

Why am I not getting answered?

I asked a question to all of you who claim that the "jealousy" we're exhibiting is directly linked to the fact that Gerard married Lyn-Z.

Why do you assume such nonsense?

Anonymous said...

It would be libel, actually. But there is nothing here that is presented as fact; Verita admits conjecture.

ANd I ALSO do not want that kind of crap at rock concerts. In fact I would have turned around and walked out. And if I had been close enough? Why, I would have taken the advice of the man himself and spit right in his face.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

Maybe VV should come back when SHE has something new to say. Bu tsame old song and dance! Oh Gerard is a druggie oh he changes since he got married!!!

Yeah you are not having his babies. Get over it!!!!


Sore, wa?

Neither are you, bitchtits. Do us a favor, and if you don't like it LEAVE.

Remember, you can defend and defend, but in the end, he still wouldn't know you from the gum on his shoe.

-A

Anonymous said...

I have to say, this may be the most reasonable thing you've ever posted. I don't think I would've stormed out in righteous anger had I been at the show in Belfast, but I definitely would have left with a different impression than the one I've gained from the previous times I've seen them. I think jumping to conclusions about drug use is ludicrous, but I do think it's becoming increasingly apparent how much the fabled 'break' is needed, for all of them to rest and have a chance to figure out what it is they want in life, and whether this band is part of it. A piece of advice - I'd stick to arguing things that you can actually back up. Including your own "impressions" of what Frank may have said or told others to say for him just makes you sound ridiculous.

Also, I'm still waiting for a correction to the wild speculations of your last blog.

Anonymous said...

It's because of you fans get treated the way they do and the reason behind the way things, "AREN'T THE SAME ANYMOREZ! OH MY GODZ *EMO TEARZ* WHOZ GUNNA SAVE ME NOW!"

I suggest you get a life and grow up. You can spend all day trying to be 1337 behind a computer screen, but all that does is earn you a spot in your parents basement, tbqh.

And MCR millionaires? Bitch please. They don't make MILLIONS of dollars. They have to pay for each record they make, each music video they shoot, all the equipment they take on tour and each person they work with manager/crew/producer/lawyer. They only get a small percent of royalty's from what gets bought off itunes/played on the radio and TV and that has to be split 5 ways. No, they aren't rich, sorry. Richer then you, yes, but they don't live like kings and they never will unless they start investing in other things like clothing lines, guitar brands, children's story books, cologne, perfume, tooth brushes, umbrellas, dog clothes, sex toys, ect.

And last time I checked Gerard Way wasn't My Chemical Romance. If you are going to bitch about a band, talk about THE WHOLE BAND and not just one or two members.

Anonymous said...

Anon @ 12:54 a.m.

Did you comment to the wrong blog? I'm sorry, I understood all the words and they were actually grouped together into logical sounding sentences, but I'm at a complete loss as to what or whom you were responding.

No one here seems to be worried about the fact that My Chem AREN'T THE SAME ANYMOREZ! with regards to them coming out to meet fans at shows, etc. They're concerned that the band's message has been lost. Are you seriously suggesting that these blogs are responsible for that? Honestly, you might want to think about what you're saying before you post it.

Also, who exactly is it that you want to grow up and get out of their parents' basement? Because, quite frankly, I'm certain that most of the people here (aside from the MCRMY!!1one!11eleven! anons) are already grown up and out of the basement, thanks. And as to the question of whether or not MCR are millionaires: what does that have to do with anything? Did anyone here say that? Once again, I think you're on the wrong blog.
Finally, with regards to your comment about bitching about the band as a whole as opposed to one or two of its members: let me just say that a chain is only as strong as its weakest link. Most of us have no problem with the other members of MCR. In fact, we feel rather sad for them because, as things currently stand, one of their members is dragging them steadily downward. Think one member (particularly the frontman) can't kill a band? Go ask some of the former members of of G&R about their feelings on the subject.

Anonymous said...

Well, I'm unable to verbalize my opinion at the moment, so I'll just say...

We'll know. In time.

Anonymous said...

"Yes Vrita and the rest of you are jealous !!! That Grard is giving fans what they want! How can that be seen as degrading!! Girls in the audinece LOVE shit like that. they WANT it."

And what do you think would happen if a different 30 year old man went up to a group of 15-16 year old girls walking home from school (for example) and asked them to simulate orgasm's for him? Yes, he would be put in jail!
There is a difference between being a "girl" and being a WOMAN! A WOMAN knows better and a "girl" like yourself obviously has A LOT OF GROWING UP TO DO! So until you out grow puberty I suggest you listen to your MOMMY for the things you should "want" and "love!"

Anonymous said...

Well it seems like this blogger has lost sight of what brought he/she to being an fan in the first place. The music. Dude, Gerard is not your savior or your personal life coach. It seems like you feel he owes you one. Gerard is only human. Accept that or walk away.

I don't expect Gerard to stand on stage or in interviews and say the right thing about this and that and everything. I'd rather hear about the new album and songs they have written. When I go to a show, I don't stand there and take everything that man says or does up there as bible, and when he disappoints me, I bitch about it to no end in hopes of ripping down his character. I sing and dance along to the great music being played. That's the point of being a fan and going to a show.

I don't care about the girlfriends, or how they have changed because in real life, people have sexual relationships with people and over time people change. It's called life and it happens. Yes, some people change for the worse, but that is when we break ties with them. You, whoever you are, need to step away. You have lost focus of why you are even a fan in the first place. I'd never known a fandom to be so full of fans that hate the band then this one.

All they expect of you is that you listen to the music and dig it. I am pretty sure they do not need "fans" like you who just dig at there personal life, because they owe you one. How would you like it if someone found a personal journal of yours online and made a public journal ripping everything you have ever said and done to shreds? Would not like that much, now would you?

Gerard is not savior of the broken. He is not your guru. You are not his next door neighbor. Gerard is a 30 year old guy in a rock band, that is all he should be to you. Maybe if you cared more about what the music was saying, instead of the people playing the music, you'd understand better.

Personal lives are none of our business and it isn't our place to sit there and make up shit about it and assume everything has gone to shit.

You are no better then the noob who just put the black parade in the stereo right now, don't forget it.

Anonymous said...

As long as we're all here cheering each other on I'd like to thank the anon at 8:11 for bringing the sanity.

Unknown said...

um, where was all the outrage when Gerard was OHNOES sexually proposing boys on the Projekt tour? getting them to STRIP, even! and unless i'm mistaken, he didn't single out girls for the 'fuck yourself' thing either, my impression is that it was the whole crowd. both genders.

Anonymous said...

Some people were brought into the fandom by the message before they even heard the music.

Remember that. MCR wanted to be a band that saved your life. THEY put themselves on that pedestal.

You just like the music? Good for you, like it. If someone can't stand the person behind the music, it is their right to voice their opinion.

YOu know, kind of like you are voicing yours on this blog.

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Anonymous said...

Since this Anon seemed to be directing their post at all of us in general, I feel the need to respond:

All they expect of you is that you listen to the music and dig it. I am pretty sure they do not need "fans" like you who just dig at there personal life, because they owe you one.

"Fans?" Dude, what's the difference between a "fan" in quotation marks and a regular old fan. A fan's a fan. Whether from the Bullets era or since last week, a fan is everyone. You know, ELITISM and all that?

"A dig at their personal life?" What VV has posted was in no way related to any of the member's personal lives. It was about My Chemical Romance, you know, the band that's onstage? Those people. The addition she made about Frank's actual cause of leaving the tour for a while has no basis either way. No one knows anything other than "personal issues." It was her opinion, and she was in her full right to state it even if it dealt with their personal lives, the personal life of Frank.

Gerard is a 30 year old guy in a rock band, that is all he should be to you. Maybe if you cared more about what the music was saying, instead of the people playing the music, you'd understand better.

And that is all he is to me. Maybe HE'S the one that thinks he's more. Ever though of that? "Maybe if [I] cared more about what the music was saying." Honestly, I take offense to that comment because if I cared anymore, I'd go crazy. You have no fucking idea how much the words these guys string together mean to me and to a plethora of others. It isn't for you to decide how much people care about the words. "They have to care this much to be a real fan." Bullshit. I see that what the music is saying is equally as important as the people playing the music. If it wasn't for the people playing the music, you and I would have never heard the words.So, you have to stop and think. The words are a direct product of the personal lives of the people in the band.

You can't have one without the other, dear.

Remember that. MCR wanted to be a band that saved your life. THEY put themselves on that pedestal.

Yes. "This band wants to be the one to save your life." From the horse's mouth. I didn't put Gerard or MCR on the proverbial pedestal. They did that shit, not me.



And I still haven't gotten my answer. What do I gotta do? E-Beg?

MissTottenham said...

Could the anons who have been slaging vv please return to the schoolyard where you can recommence the licking of your Gerard and Lynz posters, lunchbreak is over.

Come back when you've actually started your periods.

Anonymous said...

^oh well looks like you have to leave now. Have fun with the cramps and try not to bleed all over your computer chair, it stains =D

Annon sources that are "close to the band" are bullshit. Real journalism isn't option, its fact and once you give me fact, i'll listen, but all your claims aren't proof, so go do some actual research and post something meaningful instead of your he said she said lies from that STD ridden Gerard forum on buzznet. Thanks!

resurrected wreck said...

People need to show some fucking sense and SHUT VV UP FOR GOOD. She is bringing down Gerard. Out of jealousy of his success..... and his love.

And his marks of love. And his trendy new drug addict look. And his super cool collection of novelty holiday aprons.

resurrected wreck said...

Bitch, its on. The MCArmy has it's own back. Its so on.

On? What is it on? On time? On crack? An-on? Do explain.

I realize that I'm late replying to this (apologies, I just got in) However, I've a feeling you'll be back. Happy happy, joy joy.

Anonymous said...

HAHAHAAAA WE Got your STUPID thread locked on Buzznet. Bitch now your going down, I said it was on.

Voluptuosity gt our backs!

Haters! GOing down!!

Anonymous said...

You have got to be kidding.


This is laughable.

Fimble Star said...

so this Voluptuosity is your leader? are you in a pack of wolves or something. maybe you should go to her and ask if you can wipe your own arse. do you really think this is how people should be acting.

i for one like the fact people have freedom of speech. yes you do to but when you start to rant saying shit like 'go die' and 'your going down' think to yourselves what make you say it. how old are you really.

this is not a fucking playground this is life and when you can start to talk like an adult then we will take on board what you are saying like you are an adult.
yes you got it shut down on buzznet but i think you was shocked that some people there agreed with it.

Anonymous said...

I say we stalk this veritavenom in real life and create a journal were we watch vertia's every move and listen to everything vertia says to there friends and family then post about what this person says, taking everything out of context and criticizing it, tearing down verita's character.

But really now, this person can't be real. This person is just a shit talker. Someone who just stirs up drama and creates a tear in the fandom pinning fan against fan in hopes of a fandom imposition. Your letting this person win by fighting with there "followers" ei: sock puppet accounts this person creates to make it look like they aren't pulling the wool over your eyes. Face it guys, there is no way this person is real. If they were real, they would be playing on LJ, where the real drama happens.

Anonymous said...

Why is it that none of you who agree with verita can respond to actual, rational responses which oppose your opinion? It's easy to insult the people who post things with an excess of exclamation points, but the majority of you don't seem to be willing to address real responses. Nothing to say?

Anonymous said...

" Anonymous said...

I say we stalk this veritavenom in real life and create a journal were we watch vertia's every move and listen to everything vertia says to there friends and family then post about what this person says, taking everything out of context and criticizing it, tearing down verita's character.
"

You actually do that already. There's nothing Verita says about Gerard that a bunch of you don't say about her and worse. I don't see Verita telling Gerard to go die or anything. Instead it looks like she's trying to get a message to keep him alive.

Anonymous said...

^ You completely missed the point of the original poster. I think what this person is saying is, "Lets give VV a taste of her own medicine and give her a real fuck you."

I personally could care less. I just read this blog for the lulz. It's a pretty good laugh. She is totally making an ass out of herself over the shit she thinks she knows, but it is just too damn funny to turn away. And so many people believe her too, that is the kicker.

Anonymous said...

"The shit she thinks she knows."


Well, that's really not even the point, now is it?

May I direct you to every quote in this post be Verita, each of them from the mouth of Gerard Way. Contradictory and somewhat hypocritical. These are Verita's words. They're Gerard Way's.

Maybe it should be the "shit he thinks he knows" since he is the one actually stating them.

"And so many people believe her, too."


What is there to "believe?" It's there black and white. The only conjecture that was made was the possible reasoning behind Frank's short absence from the band. That was HER OPINION, not proven fact. She was entitled to give it.

This is her blog, and she can say whatever she damn well pleases. This isn't the gospel truth of My Chemical Romance. It's an opinion. She's not shoving it down anyone's throat. Just lacing fact (the quotes from Gerard Way) with opinion (everything that isn't proven and that she believes).


Speaking generally here and not directing this at anyone in particular, I don't see the big hoopla you all are seeing. You know you don't have to read it, but you do anyway. And then you bitch about someone's opinion and wish death upon them. What gives?


And fuck if I still haven't been acknowledged on my question.

Anonymous said...

Stupid-ass typos

*AREN'T Verita's words

Anonymous said...

^ she posts these blogs on buzznet's message boards, of couse she is shoving this in peoples faces.

Anonymous said...

^ and they aren't her words but she is exploiting them and taking them out of context away from there original meaning. Also, getting pissed off over a group orgasm, but asking for Gerard and Frank to make out more is hypocritical. They have wives, accept it and move the fuck on. Yes, it is her option, but she should expect the backlash. Yes, it's her blog, but if she didn't want people to oppose in comments then maybe she should disable people from commenting them altogher.

Anonymous said...

Also, getting pissed off over a group orgasm, but asking for Gerard and Frank to make out more is hypocritical.

Correct me if I'm wrong Verita, but she has never asked on this blog, nor has she given any allusion to, the making out of Gerard and Frank.

And that isn't even the point. The point of her ENTIRE post was that what Gerard Way is saying and doing now, ONLY in accordance with the band and NOT in his personal life, is diametrically opposed to what he used to say way back when.

The Gerard Way that stands on that stage and requests that the audience, of LADIES (mostly teens because that is the major target audience) and gentlemen (same holds true here) alike, simulate the sounds orgasm is not the same Gerard Way that stood on that stage and screamed at the ladies in the audience to spit in the faces of dudes that requested a "sexual favor," for lack of better terminology.

Case closed. There's no justification. And I doubt there ever will be.

Taking them out of context away from there original meaning.

No. First of all, she gave the complete situation regarding the "I wanna hear you fuck yourselves" shenanigan. She even posted the ACTUAL live video. That would not be taking anything out of context. Secondly, you and everyone else that has seen Life On The Murder Scene knows the context in which the "Backstage Pass" comment was made and she reposted the exact comment here, the one Gerard Way stated. Thus, not out of context.

It's just hard to realize that there could be two completely different individuals inside one body who believe and say two completely different things, is it not?

They have wives, accept it and move the fuck on.

Yes. We all know this. And why is it such a big deal again? People get married.

If she didn't want people to oppose in comments then maybe she should disable people from commenting them altogher.

Well, what would the fun be in that? I can't speak for Verita, but I throughly enjoy opposing points of view. The spice of life and all that shit. This world would be completely boring if everyone agreed on everything.

resurrected wreck said...

VV, you have a talent for drawing the hornets from the hive.

Anonymous said...

Anyone remember G tackling Frank?

From a few accounts off live journal from fans who were there and saw it live, Frank tried to hug Gerard and ended up falling on him, causing Gerard to loose his balance. There was also a problem with Frank breaking too much shit on stage and them getting in trouble for it so he was getting some anger out on that too, that's why you saw some extra pushing and shoving, but besides that they are pretty dandy. Fans make Frank out to look like some little bitch, but have you seen that house fight video? He was dragging Ray around, who was holding him back, like it was nothing. If Gerard and him really got into a fight, you'd know about it. They are males, it's how they are wired.

Anyone remember G throwing vomit on fans?

Dude, have you ever been to a punk show? The main attraction is the lead singer puking on the crowd. Bert McCracken pukes on stage all the time, in fact, The Used fans often were shirts that say "Puke on me, Bert!" People get sick, it happens. I'm sorry My Chem shows are PG enough for you seeing Gerard says fuck about 15 billion times per show.

Goodness, so many people are claiming that Gerard and the band itself have changed. It sounded like she/he has an immense grudge against the band and Gerard in particular to spend time DELIBERATELY searching for videos and interviews to piece this blog together.

Those "fans" who have lost faith in them need to just "walk away."


WORD! Lady, go find a hobby or blog about something good in your life for once, or move on to another band to rip apart. Don't waste your time on this band if you are over them. Save your breath. They don't have time to go online and read bad press about old meme.

Anonymous said...

It's not about 'ripping apart' the band, it's about keeping them together.

Teenie fans move on to the next band of the moment in the blink of an eye (I know I did as a kid), but it's the people who were attracted to MCR for their message, the ones who would stick by them over the next few years and their extended break who are beginning to walk away, and then who's left?

We want this band to stay healthy, keep focussed and come back and kick ass in 2009, but it's not going to happen if they don't take time to sort their shit out and reaquaint themselves with what made them special in the first place.

Anonymous said...

but it's the people who were attracted to MCR for their message, the ones who would stick by them over the next few years and their extended break who are beginning to walk away, and then who's left?

The other fans who don't give a flying fuck as long as they play good music and put on a good show. The people who left over who they support on the road, who they marry/chose to date, or there "message", where never there for the right reasons in the first place.

Gerard is not your personal Jesus people. Stop worshiping him as if he is a God, taking everything he says like it is something out of the holy bible of My Chemical Romance. For fuck sake, he's a human. Don't expect anything from him but a good show and you won't be disappointed. The Gospel According To Gerard doesn't exist and My Chemical Romance shows/interviews aren't a fucking church service. You wanna get help and and have someone save you? Read a Dr. Phil book and find a religion.

Anonymous said...

VV is not the only one concerned about what's going on. Will the MCR Army get this shut down too?

Take a peek:

http://www.buzznet.com/tags/gerardway/forum/topics/182051/okay-im-just-wondering-why-he-is#freplies

Anonymous said...

In the Taste It TV interview, did you guys notice there's all these bottles of alcohol in the background? Where were they when they did this interview?

Anonymous said...

Verita, it disheartens me to see all these Buzznet/MCRmy kids abusing you on your own blog.
The "real" MCR fans are the ones who WANT Gerard to get better. Not the ones who are trying to cover up any mistakes he might make.

Anonymous said...

^ She leaves it public, she is going to get haters. She should deal with it.

In the Taste It TV interview, did you guys notice there's all these bottles of alcohol in the background? Where were they when they did this interview?

Ray and Frank still drink. The crew drinks along with the other bands on tour. Just because someone has had an alcohol problem doesn't mean the booze goes away for the others on the tour.

Anonymous said...

The interview is from Atelier, LUX

resurrected wreck said...

Anon @ 4:14pm, I believe that interview took place in a bar.

Anonymous said...

you are a very bitter person.

Anonymous said...

Atelier is the club at Luxemburg where MCR performed at.

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Anonymous said...

VV is a hateful hateful stupid person and we are going to LAUGH LIKE HELL when she GOES DOWN..

Anonymous said...

"VV is a hateful hateful stupid person and we are going to LAUGH LIKE HELL when she GOES DOWN.."

Aha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha! What? How old are you? Grow up! Oh, I'm sorry, let me put this in term's that you can understand:

Like OMG! Your a fart faced doo-doo head and I think your a big dummy! Meet me at the bike racks after school and I'm going to beat you up! Your going down big time for reals!

Anonymous said...

I've been out of the loop for some time now, but found this post on buzznet, unfortunately already a closed topic. Love that TasteItTV Interview - the best interview with Gerard I've seen (Thanks for posting, VV). I could just feel the interviwer's urge to smack him across the face in an attempt to snap him out of this newfound rockstar diva life he's leading. I'm sure he's still off the booze- but has definitely picked up the coke.

I have a feeling this will be the band's last album. Sad, probably for the best.

Anonymous said...

VV is a hateful hateful stupid person and we are going to LAUGH LIKE HELL when she GOES DOWN..

While I can't say I agree with her either, you're not helping anyone.

You've spent months repeating the same message over and over, VV. It's nice to know that you've finally reached some conclusion. If you've walked away, does this mean you will stop blogging? While I do somewhat enjoy the community here, I do hope so.

Anonymous said...

VV-
You keep doing what your doing! You bring the REALITY of life into the heads of people who do not have enough commen sense to open their own damn eyes and see it themselves! With much respect...

Anonymous said...

My eyes are open, but I can't see what you see if it isn't there. I guess I just have no common sense.

Anonymous said...

^Your guess is correct.

Farting In The Shadows said...

Relying on anonymous bloggers, without even having YouTube to back up that G-Way is a drunk asshole isn't common sense, either, however. Just a thought.

Anonymous said...

The confusion continues with the lastest child (fan)...
I do believe many of the young seem to like the this type of crude performance.(orgasms)


Gerard has been doing orgasm since Revenge, what rock have you been hiding under? Right before Prison he would go into a major orgasm, or tell a story with a lot of curse words. MCR is a crude band, that is why there Cd's are Parental Advisory there show is going to be too.

I'm sure he's still off the booze- but has definitely picked up the coke.

Rightttt, keep telling yourself that. Gerard was on coke before Revenge. It make him suicidal and unable to function. At one point while performing on it, he hid under the stage and refused to come out. I doubt Gerard is back on it or you'd see more of that behavior. He isn't back on drugs.

I have a feeling this will be the band's last album. Sad, probably for the best.

See you in line in 2009.

You bring the REALITY of life into the heads of people who do not have enough commen sense to open their own damn eyes and see it themselves!

You have no COMMON sense. Half her sources are "anon insiders" and the other half is just her own guess work from pulling apart random interviews and doing a total psychoanalysis of everything said until it tells her what she wants to hear. Don't let her fool you, her posts hold no merit.

Anonymous said...

^Corrections

*MCR is a crude band, that is why there Cd's are Parental Advisory. There show is going to be too.

*It made him suicidal and unable to function.

Anonymous said...

Actually it was the combination of the booze, the pills and the coke that made him suicidal. This went on during the early days of Revenge too. Get your facts straight. And I know from personal experience the signs of a coke addict and sad to say, I see them in him.

Anonymous said...

And I know from personal experience the signs of a coke addict and sad to say, I see them in him.

Then name them for us, so we can get our facts straight. Thanks.

Anonymous said...

This is part of an interview that Gerard recently did in Australia (he talks about Lyn Z)

Why are you so big on pushing those boundaries of sexuality? You're a married man now.

Well, that's more of a recent thing (laughs). My wife totally backs the way I am on stage, that's one of the amazing things about her. I have 120 per cent respect for her when I'm on stage, so there are definitely certain things I would never do. But she knows my sexuality, and I know mine, so there's no reason not to push those boundaries. It's with the most noble intentions -- it's to make certain people realise just because somebody is a performer or slightly effeminate, -- even that guy at work or that kid at school -- there's no reason to shove 'em around. So much testosterone has been in rock for so long -- that's why I'm so interested in pushing it. All it boils down to is treating women like second-class citizens, calling people faggots, being borderline racist, if not totally racist. A lot of things are ingrained in the stupidest rock 'n' roll we completely oppose. So one way we can push it is through our sexuality.

Your marriage to Lyn-Z was a bit of a shock. When you spoke to Hit in July, you had just broken off an engagement to another girl. Come September, you were married.

I know! It's one of those situations where you don't know how your life's gonna go, and the minute you actually stop looking for something is when you find it. When I met my wife I was at a point where I was completely OK with being alone for a very long time, free of lousy people. I was very content to spend time with my friends, to work on music, to work on my comics. I was about to pack everything up and move to Portland, Oregon. And literally out of nowhere someone who I'd met four years ago when the band was a baby band, opening for her band, comes back into my life. We just picked up where we left off. It's always when you're not looking for it -- I was totally fine, and then I get hit over the head! It was like getting hit by a truck.

Does marriage mean you're actually able to make a home now?

Completely. I turned basically into a functioning grown-up overnight. I came off tour and started to set up a life. I'm very excited about that -- I actually have a life now when I go home, and it's an amazing life. I love that I have a best friend I can share it with, who I can work with and hang out with.

Anonymous said...

^^
Im sure V V as already read Gerards latest interview and is busy at this very moment twisting his words around, like only she can, to write in her next blog entry.

Anonymous said...

This interview was the funniest one yet, I'm still laughing at some the sillier statements.

This is part of an interview that Gerard recently did in Australia (he talks about Lyn Z)

Why are you so big on pushing those boundaries of sexuality? You're a married man now.

Well, that's more of a recent thing (laughs). My wife totally backs the way I am on stage, that's one of the amazing things about her. I have 120 per cent respect for her when I'm on stage, so there are definitely certain things I would never do.


Like what? What is there left to do that he hasn't already done? Hm, except maybe to stop with the Jimmy Urine like crap he's been pulling lately, maybe that's what he meant. I'm just waiting for him to pull his pants down just like Mr. PeePee.

But she knows my sexuality, and I know mine, so there's no reason not to push those boundaries.

That's an interesting sentence, and it raises some questions, but I will leave that subject alone for now.

It's with the most noble intentions -- it's to make certain people realise just because somebody is a performer or slightly effeminate, -- even that guy at work or that kid at school -- there's no reason to shove 'em around.

But I guess it is perfectly acceptable to toss Frank around like a ragdoll over nothing.

So much testosterone has been in rock for so long -- that's why I'm so interested in pushing it.

Oh yeah, he has been pushing that testosterone onstage. *eye roll*

All it boils down to is treating women like second-class citizens, calling people faggots, being borderline racist, if not totally racist. A lot of things are ingrained in the stupidest rock 'n' roll we completely oppose.

Oh, so he felt like spreading the message again this week I guess. I suppose that the lyrics of his wife's band never crossed his mind as being "the stupidest rock 'n' roll we completely oppose." And he must of forgot his feelings about that when he brought that band on tour.

So one way we can push it is through our sexuality.

Your marriage to Lyn-Z was a bit of a shock. When you spoke to Hit in July, you had just broken off an engagement to another girl. Come September, you were married.

I know! It's one of those situations where you don't know how your life's gonna go, and the minute you actually stop looking for something is when you find it. When I met my wife I was at a point where I was completely OK with being alone for a very long time, free of lousy people.


Well, obviously another dig at 'lousy' Eliza. *ouch* And being alone for a very long time? Yeah, ok, sure. I believe that. I also own ocean front property in Arizona.

I was very content to spend time with my friends, to work on music, to work on my comics. I was about to pack everything up and move to Portland, Oregon. And literally out of nowhere someone who I'd met four years ago when the band was a baby band, opening for her band, comes back into my life.

*coughdamagecontrolcough*

We just picked up where we left off.

Oh, and another twist of the knife to the other ex. *ouch*

It's always when you're not looking for it -- I was totally fine, and then I get hit over the head! It was like getting hit by a truck.

Does marriage mean you're actually able to make a home now?

Completely. I turned basically into a functioning grown-up overnight.


Functioning grown-up? Really? Where? Semi-functioning child trapped in a 30 year old man's body, that I'd believe more. All during PR I kept wondering, "Did he just turn 30? Or 13?" Even my grandma (yes, she's a fan) thinks he needs to grow up, take that FWIW.

I came off tour and started to set up a life. I'm very excited about that -- I actually have a life now when I go home, and it's an amazing life. I love that I have a best friend I can share it with, who I can work with and hang out with.

And if he says 'Amaaaaaazing,' one more time in relation to Lyn-Z, her band or his marriage, I swear...

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
^^
Im sure V V as already read Gerards latest interview and is busy at this very moment twisting his words around, like only she can, to write in her next blog entry.

December 1, 2007 1:03 AM


No twisting is necessary, it's all right there for those who read without rose colored glasses and the "*sigh* He's sooooo perfect. I love him. And even though he is shoveling the bull$hit around, I don't care, because he is Gerard and he is God *sigh*," mentality.

*cue the fangirl cries of "Hater!"*
But just know that when you do that, you only make me laugh.

Anonymous said...

I will always love MCR's music and all the OTHER guys in the band but i am DONE with Gerard! What a jerk he is to think we are so blind! Best of luck to him, he's going to need it!

Anonymous said...

But I guess it is perfectly acceptable to toss Frank around like a ragdoll over nothing.

That horse is beaten, dead, and BURIED. Let it fucking go already, christ.

Anonymous said...

^^ But i wonder if FRANK thinks it's dead, burried, and over with? He's NEVER said one word about it - possibly because HE IS STILL HURT BY IT? That was wrong for Gerard to do to him in ANY way you look at it!

Anonymous said...

What do you expect? A declaration of his eternal hatred for Gerard? If it WAS a fight between the two of them, then it's personal and they might not have wanted to discuss it with fans or interviewers. Sure, it might have been "wrong" for Gerard to do it to him, but if we're going to look at it the other way Frank did jump on Gerard during the middle of a song, causing him to drop the mic and essentially ruin the end of the song.

Anonymous said...

Maybe Frank hasent said anything about the incident because its none of our damn business, maybe Gerard and Frank resolved whatever issues they were having with each other, maybe Frank hasent said anything because it wasent a fight at all !!!! Nobody here knows what that was all about. I've seen pics of Frank wearing an I Love Gerard tshirt, drop it already.

Anonymous said...

Frank left tour because his grandmother died, not because of some stupid fight with Gerard that is old meme and never happend in the first place. It wasn't a fight, get over it. If Frank really wanted to get back at Gerard, he would have by now. There have been many times on stage where Ray and Frank have gotten into altercations, but most of you never even know it because it was Ray and didn't disrupt your fan girling over Gerard and Frank's "love affair" that never was.

Anonymous said...

And if he says 'Amaaaaaazing,' one more time in relation to Lyn-Z, her band or his marriage, I swear...

You swear what? You'll pop an embolism in your brain and die? Please do. One less sad, pathetic, overly obsessed person in my point of view. Gerard didn't marry who you wanted him to marry, so fucking what, do the fandom a favor and get over it already. He didn't ask you, and he doesn't have to.

Anonymous said...

First of all, the Frank shake and toss was done by a guy who says you should never resort to violence, that is why it was shocking and sickening to watch and that is why it continues to be brought up.

Secondly, didn't disrupt your fan girling over Gerard and Frank's "love affair" that never was.

I don't "fangirl" over that. Can't you guys come up with some new lines? Please?

And thirdly, Gerard didn't marry who you wanted him to marry, so fucking what, do the fandom a favor and get over it already.

I couldn't give a rat's ass who he marries. He can marry an effin billy goat for all I care. I'm just tired of hearing about it.

He didn't ask you, and he doesn't have to.

Thank God! Believe me I wouldn't want him to.

Anonymous said...

1.moineau: Do you even know what your talking about? WTF? Have you never seen Frank play or what? Him jumping on Gerard, or anyone else for that matter, is NOTHING new. He's even kicked Gerard in the ball's during a show! THAT'S JUST WHAT THEY DO! Nothing new there to make Gerard flip out and attack him IN PUBLIC!

2. Anon @ 8:33:
When Gerard ATTACKED Frank in a PUBLIC FORUM, ON STAGE, IN FRONT OF ALL THEIR FANS HE MADE IT OUR BUSINESS! From a man who talks about "No Violence under ANY circumstance", he sure as hell doesn't practice what he preaches, now does he?
-But then again, recently Gerard has been going against EVERYTHING he preaches against! Shame on him!

Unknown said...

if you're so sick of hearing about gerard's happiness with how his life is going at the moment, why do you keep reading interviews and the like? really, people. lol. & before you go crying that you just care about the band and feel so sorry for the other guys having to "put up with gerard" you might want to consider that, from everything all of them have said in interviews, they're all pretty much best friends. they know each other a fuck of a lot better than we can ever claim to from the minuscule amount of information gleaned from interviews and the like, so if they're really being so put upon by gerard i think you can rest assured they'll say something to him about it. :/

Anonymous said...

^ I agree with everything you say.

Anonymous said...

Laurel, if everything is fine with the band, then why has the chemistry they used to have onstage before Gerard's attitude change also changed? Since the 'incident' the interaction between the band members has been virtually non-existant. And before you start, no I am not talking about "Frerard," so don't even go there.

Anonymous said...

But I guess it is perfectly acceptable to toss Frank around like a ragdoll over nothing.

That horse is beaten, dead, and BURIED. Let it fucking go already, christ.



No.
That horse isn't buried. And I'm not going to let it go. That was the first night the band's message was shot to hell.

And I'd be willing to bet Frank's probably STILL trying to figure out what set his friend into a fucking tailspin that night.

Anonymous said...

mustardisbetter, I agree with everything you said. That was the beginning of this new Gerard, who has thrown his messages and his values out the window to fit in with his new buddies. And that image of Frank sitting there, obviously thinking 'wtf was that about?' is still fresh in my mind. I also remember that was the night I started to not be so excited to see them in the September...

Anonymous said...

This is a wonderful post, VV! You have laid it all out, exactly as it is!

Anonymous said...

Anon:

I'm sorry your excitement was dulled by this display.

I think about that video nearly everyday. The look that Frank had on his face made my heart break. No matter if it's Frank or the dude next door, NO ONE deserves that kind of treatment.

People aren't going to forget that scene. No matter how much I want to erase it from my memory, it's not going to be forgotten.





MYA!!!!
So glad to see you! Black or Blue does not matter :)

Anonymous said...

http://community.livejournal.com/mcr_happybubble/20747.html?mode=reply

Anonymous said...

Does anyone remember what happened to Matt? He was kicked out of the band. Why? Because he was an asshole. If this problem was seriously conflicting the band, we'd know about it. And just please stfu about the summer shit. It's winter now. Get over it please. How many times do you have to beat the horse until you find out it's dead already? Gerard was annoyed at Frank for some reason unknown to us and Frank jumped on Gee making him drop his mic and ruin the ending of the song that is being shown all over myspace. You think that maybe it upset and embarrassed Gerard and angered him to the point of shoving Frank off of him? And Frank didn't look like he wanted off, making Gerard have to pushing him down onto the ground? Don't you see that from watching it a billion times over inside your mind? Most of the stage advances during the summer were done by Frank. Maybe Gerard got sick of it to the point were it was really starting to annoy him? If you look at some of the pictures, Gerard doesn't look too pleased in some of them. Like the licking video, Gerard was trying to get Frank off of him at one point. This isn't all of Gerard's fault guys.

Anonymous said...

^Of course its Gerards fault, everything is his fault, world hunger, the aids epidemic in Africa.... its all Gerards fault, lol.

Anonymous said...

In the interview that was posted earlier up there, did anyone else think it was weird how Gerard never actually uses "Lindsey's" name? It's as if he reckons we have no idea who he's married to.
Hahahaha. Oh pur-lease. As if, Gerard.

And as for the person who did a little commentary of the interview... you made my day.

Anonymous said...

And I'd be willing to bet Frank's probably STILL trying to figure out what set his friend into a fucking tailspin that night.

Tailspin? I don't even know how to take you seriously. I'm not denying that Gerard shoved Frank, making him fall. That part is quite obvious. But the way some of you are acting you'd think that Gerard broke each and every one of Frank's fingers on stage, cackling all the while. The band is together almost constantly while on tour; you don't think it's likely that they get a bit sick of each other once in a while? Have you never been pissed as fuck at one of your friends?

If you're implying what it seems you are, it's beyond ridiculous that you think poor little Frank is sitting there bewildered and confused, crying in a corner about how Gerard doesn't love him any more. Do you remember hearing about how Frank went up to Marilyn Manson at a festival after all the shit Manson had been talking? Do you honestly believe that he hasn't settled a fight with one of his best friends?

And yes, people are going to forget "that scene." The only reason I think of it is because people such as yourself are so desperate to find "evidence" to crucify Gerard with. I'm so sorry that you're haunted by such a horrible image.

As for the pictures of Frank wearing the "I <3 Gerard" shirt: Gerard obviously forced him to wear it. They're all going to be wearing them on upcoming tours, actually. Either that or it's Frank's desperate cry for help.

Anonymous said...

well said Moineau!

Anonymous said...

I find in interesting that this video was deleted from bn, maybe it wasn't able to fit in with the "Sunshine, lollipops and rainbows" vibe over there.

Gerard doesn't want candy

Anonymous said...

Maybe Gerard got sick of it to the point were it was really starting to annoy him? If you look at some of the pictures, Gerard doesn't look too pleased in some of them. Like the licking video, Gerard was trying to get Frank off of him at one point. This isn't all of Gerard's fault guys.

But what about this one? Looks like Gerard pulled him into it

Then there was that one where Gerard grabbed Frank and kissed him... and of course what he said in the recent interview:

Why are you so big on pushing those boundaries of sexuality? You're a married man now.

Well, that's more of a recent thing (laughs). My wife totally backs the way I am on stage, that's one of the amazing things about her. I have 120 per cent respect for her when I'm on stage, so there are definitely certain things I would never do. But she knows my sexuality, and I know mine, so there's no reason not to push those boundaries. It's with the most noble intentions -- it's to make certain people realise just because somebody is a performer or slightly effeminate, -- even that guy at work or that kid at school -- there's no reason to shove 'em around. So much testosterone has been in rock for so long -- that's why I'm so interested in pushing it. All it boils down to is treating women like second-class citizens, calling people faggots, being borderline racist, if not totally racist. A lot of things are ingrained in the stupidest rock 'n' roll we completely oppose. So one way we can push it is through our sexuality.


So it's not all Frank's fault either.

Anonymous said...

You do realize we can go on about this all day, don't you?

The band is together almost constantly while on tour; you don't think it's likely that they get a bit sick of each other once in a while? Have you never been pissed as fuck at one of your friends?

To answer both of your questions, yes, I do think that, and yes, I have.

But, the difference being, I'm not Gerard Way who is in the position of being an entertainer. You wouldn't catch me man-handling a fellow coworker if that's what you're implying. In their case, whatever the hell was going on, it needed to stay behind stage. It was unprofessional and shouldn't have happened.

If you're implying what it seems you are, it's beyond ridiculous that you think poor little Frank is sitting there bewildered and confused, crying in a corner about how Gerard doesn't love him any more.

Funny thing is, I didn't imply that.

Do you honestly believe that he hasn't settled a fight with one of his best friends?

I'd like to think so, but then again, I don't know Frank or Gerard, and therefore wouldn't know if they've settle their qualms.

The only reason I think of it is because people such as yourself are so desperate to find "evidence" to crucify Gerard with.

I'm so glad you know so much. Why would I want to crucify Gerard? Oh, I know, because I'm jealous, and I want to have his babies, and I want to see him fail.

Think again.

You have no fucking idea. Gerard is just as human as the next person. but just happens to be in an extraordinary position. Tough shit. I didn't put him there. That's what he wanted. If me thinking that what happened onstage that night was a blatent disregard for all the shit he's spewed from his mouth about not solving your problems (which this clearly was) with violence, then I guess I'm just a jealous fangirl who wants to see his ass crucified.

I'm so sorry that you're haunted by such a horrible image.

Thank you for your condolences.

Yay!!! for the shirts, but I don't really care.

I'm done with this subject. No one is going to change their opinion one way or another. People will still think about what happened, though you may choose not to. Some people will still see that this stunt was the exact opposite of MCR's message. That's just the way it's going to be.

I appreciate your opinion.

Anonymous said...

The candy video?

Deleted from Buzznet?


Why?


Probably PR related. Wouldn't want the savior of the broken, beaten, and damned to be seen threatening a 12 year old, with violence no less.

Anonymous said...

VV is right! You can blame her all you want but the truth is that MCR's future downfall will be because of Gerard's fuck up's. She's only pointing out the obvious! Open up your eye's people! Gerard has proved to all of us that he is a fucked up human just like the rest of us! You all need to stop putting this jerk on a pedestal and get a grasp on reality. Do you not have your own life to deal with that you have to look up to this asshole? Get over it and move on.

sister midnite said...

"Voluptuousity has our backs?"

That's the funniest thing I've heard lately. Thanks for that.

Voluptuousity is one of the most opinionated, stubborn people I've ever seen posting in a forum. She likes to 'promote other's opinions', AS LONG AS THEY'RE THE SAME AS HERS. Until you're willing to see that people have a right to express their own opinions (especially when they're NOT NICE to your Uncle Jiggy) ,go back to BN and let her hand out her shitty little roses.

We don't give a damn who Gerard is married to. We don't give a damn who he sleeps with.

What we *do* give a damn about is VV's right to speak her opinion. I happen to agree with her. If you want to label me a hater, go right ahead. I can just as easily label you as immature little assholes, and not lose a minute of sleep over it.

Free lesson for the MCRMY kiddies:
In REAL life, people are going to say things that you don't like. People are going to have different opinions, and people will speak against your heroes. Get used to it.

And "go die"? That's totally uncalled for. If you're trying to get a point across, you've just set yourself up to be ignored.

Grow up, kiddies. You're even more pathetic thank expected.

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Fimble Star said...

can i just say that you claim v.v is is fangirling over gerard becuase of this post yet you are here defending him.

think about it. everone is allowed their own opinion and some decide to voice it in there own personal blog. yet you come here and abuse her in her own space. why dont you show respect. her blog her opinion.

why dont you all make your own blog up and declare how much you all respect gerard way for telling young girls and boys to fuck themselves. why dont you write in your blog how much you respect someone who clearly needs positive help yet decides to immitate some low life shits who think its ok to sing about bloody 5 year old panty shots

hey i know you all have your set views on him and nothing is going to change your mind but v.v has her views set and is it mature to go around telling people to die and that the mcrmy will bring you down I THNK NOT

maybe you should leave her blog if you dont agree and make your own up. lets see how many people would visit that then!

Anonymous said...

Sister Midnite:
I 100% agree with what you said^^! Oh, and Thanks for the laugh! You really cracked me up with your last comments!
-Hands you a box full of shitty burnt up black roses because we live in a magical LaLa land where thats even possible over the internet, like some OTHER idiot! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA!

Insane Insomniac said...

hi, this is a very very late comment, but:
1. in a recent interview on Oz radio, Frank said he left the UK tour as his Gran passed away.
2. At the O2 show in London, Gerard mentions that they met MSI in 2003. Had he been in contact with LynZ the whole time????
The mind ponders such things...

Anonymous said...

Well if he had met her in 2003 (while he was with "kat") and they kept in touch the whole time, why then did he get in engaged to Eliza? Was he seeing her behind of their backs? Was he juggling them all the same time? And what about mysterious european girl? Either he is quite a snake or the whole 'kept in touch' thing is b.s. But in that latest interview, he said something like "she just came back into my life," so I assume they hadn't kept in touch for the past four years. It doesn't matter though, but after the newest interview, I have to say I am not really looking forward to the new album at all. Meh. I think it's time for me to walk away and cheer for Leathermouth. This band, or should I say their singer, is way more drama than I can handle lately and so is this fandom.

Anonymous said...

*both of their backs. I hate typos...

Anonymous said...

Is the band racist?
In the immortal words of Lenny Bruce, "It's the suppression of the word that gives it the power, the violence, the viciousness." Mindless Self Indulgence is NOT racist, and the usage of some not-so-PC words in their songs is not indicative of the bands hatred or distaste for any culture, creed, or ethnicity. MSI's fans come in all shapes, sizes, and colors, and are all welcomed with opened-arms no matter what they look like, or where they're coming from. It is true, many critics have questioned the band for using the word "nigger" in their songs -- they unfortunately are not taking the time to think about the bands satirical take on hip-hop music and culture, and their otherwise brash attitude in regards to the established quota of what society deems "the norm." Why is it deemed acceptable for Clifford Smith (AKA Method Man) to bust out on "Bring The Pain," but it is "in poor taste" for Jimmy Urine to do the same? It is a great song Mindless Self Indulgence wanted to cover -- should great music be restricted by nationality or race? Should we really waste our time dissecting this kind of the thing in the world we live in today? We think not.

NOTE: From Alternative Press #175 (02/2003): Several years ago, an African-American reader complained after he played an MSI sampler cassette attached to an issue of A.P. Apparently, he didn't know that "Bring The Pain" was actually a Method Man cover. C'mon, folks, what real male chauvinist would even let a girl in his band? And when real meatheaded homophobes have their adult diapers in a bunch of Jimmy's femme falsetto or the band's lyrics, their death threats usually end up on MSI's records. With Mindless, you're either in on the joke, or you are the joke.

Is the band homophobic?
Though Jimmy may often sing about his sexuality, it is never intended to be derogatory or vicious in nature. Much like his ironic usage of other words deemed profane, Jimmy is attempting to shed light on the underbelly of what much of society considers to be non-conversational topics. It is a lampoon, it's supposed to be taken with the utmost sarcasm -- and really, how easy do you think it is for a guy who wears bright pink skirts to his shows?


Taken from: http://mindlessselfindulgence.com/board/index.php?topic=14524.0

Anonymous said...

Punk at its finest, I suppose.

/sarcasm

If I could get John Lydon's opinion on this, I would.

But, anyway thanks for sharing. Still hasn't made me want to go out buy a copy of anything with "Mindless Self Indulgence" attached to it. Just not my thing.

Anonymous said...

What you don't get is that it's not so much about MSI themselves. But rather about the fact that Gerard was such a personal crusader against lyrics exactly like these, and he now publicly supports them. So the message that comes across from Gerard is, "Bands that say that stuff suck. Unless I'm banging one of them. Then it's okay."

Hypocrisy levels OVER NINE THOUSAAAAAND.

Anonymous said...

That MSI article is nothing but a failed bullshit attempt to create exceptional excuses to "support" their shitty ass lyrics. How lame.

Anonymous said...

Still hasn't made me want to go out buy a copy of anything with "Mindless Self Indulgence" attached to it. Just not my thing.

No one is telling you to buy all their CDs. I'm just explaining how a lot of people may also feel. And you should at least accept the fact that 1) whether you like it or not, MSI are here. 2) Gerard isn't married to MSI.

Also, none of you seem to be capable of realizing that sarcasm and satire do justify those lyrics. You're treating everything literally because doing so supports your argument. If you treated many of MCR's lyrics literally, however, you might consider them a bit pointless since all they're singing about is ghosts and cancer patients without any deeper meaning.

And it's not really failed or bullshit if it's true. Can you come up with any actual reason why a homophobe and sexist would let women in his band, or dress in bubble gum pink?

But then again, many of you also think that LynZ married Gerard for fame, for which I can only say this: if the main goal of your band is fame, you probably won't wait ten years for it, and you definitely wouldn't play that style of music. It's just not something that can easily be marketed.

Anonymous said...

What you don't get is that it's not so much about MSI themselves. But rather about the fact that Gerard was such a personal crusader against lyrics exactly like these, and he now publicly supports them.

Where/when did Gerard say anything about 'lyrics exactly like these?' His 'shitty ass rock dudes in shitty ass rock bands' bit is pretty well known, but I can't recall seeing him saying anything about actual lyrical content. If there is something I'd be interested in seeing it.

Anonymous said...

Anon @ 4:16:


You have no idea why Lyn-Z married Gerard and I will tell you one thing: It was never about the love. She knows what she's doing by marrying him. She is only using him.

Anonymous said...

^ If the anon you're addressing has no idea why they married, how are you so well-informed? Do tell.

Anonymous said...

From a recent Australian interview, posted further up the page here:

All it boils down to is treating women like second-class citizens, calling people faggots, being borderline racist, if not totally racist. A lot of things are ingrained in the stupidest rock 'n' roll we completely oppose. So one way we can push it is through our sexuality.

Anonymous said...

Anon @ 5 PM, you might want to look at this eye opening post of Verita's right here. I didn't know anything about MSI until I read this post.

I did, however, know of the stance that Gerard used to take on these lyrics. Which is why he looks like such a tool now.

Anonymous said...

I've read that post. I don't care for MSI's music in the least; I find their lyrics fairly boring to be honest and their sound doesn't do anything for me. I am able to comprehend that many of their songs are satirical in nature, and while I obviously don't know this for a fact I tend to think they're doing it to make a point. And this was already said, but honestly, do you really think that they would dress and act the way they do if they were such misogynists and homophobes (skirts? lip-synching to show tunes?) And wow, that Lyn-Z must be an amazing masochist to surround herself with such women-haters.

And I'll say it again, since it seems my point was somehow missed the first time around: when has Gerard said anything about actual lyrical content? I'm well aware that he's spoken out against the behavior of the cliche rock and roll ideal, but I've yet to see anything where he says anything about the lyrics.

Anonymous said...

He was alluding to lyrical content. nd once or twice he did talk about the lyrics, like I said, just look at Verita's first post.

Oh, you want to talk about behavior? That was my close friend who was the promoter for MSI's album release party. She has no idea who Gerard Way is or MCR. She is all business, but she hated their behavior so much that she said it was all right to tell anyone. MSI didn't seem to care who knew that they were coked up and banging in the toilet. In fact it was more like they wanted people to know.

Anonymous said...

By the way, if you look at what Verita is saying in this post, she's actually talking about GERARD'S behavior going against what he used to stand for.

Anonymous said...

I hope you'll understand if I don't accept your opinion as to what he was or wasn't 'alluding to' as fact.

And what, each and every member of MSI was part of this bathroom orgy? I'm assuming that you don't think all the members of MCR are such horrible assholes as Gerard; bands do not, in fact, possess a hive mind. I've no idea if you're of the opinion that Gerard never got clean to begin with, but hey, Gerard used to be a coked out asshole too! And then he got clean. It's possible to be friends with people who make choices you don't agree with while still maintaining your own principles.

Anonymous said...

You still didn't address the point that Verita's post here is about GERARD'S behavior.

And actually, what my friend told me was that the entire band was a trainwreck. And there's also a difference between Gerard's being a pathetic, coked out loser who still seemed to be a decent human, and the scenario that was described by my friend there. Yeah, I can judge the entire band by that one member. They let it go on.

And I also believe that one fan (who has now deleted her blog) when she said she saw Jimmy Urine buying coke from a fan at PR. No, I don't believe they have changed at all.

Anonymous said...

Okay. I've read this post. I realize it's about Gerard's behavior. I just feel that everything she's claiming is bullshit. There's a difference between the way someone behaves on stage and the way someone behaves in their day-to-day life. I know that the things Gerard says and does on stage now are different than the things he said and did two, three, four years ago. Does that mean he's a bad person? The reason "My Chemical Romance is dead," as VV proclaimed so dramatically a few blogs back? No. The fact that he's not preaching against suicide every night means nothing in regards to the message the band and their music have always carried.

And okay, if we’re really going to pick at the details here? You have no idea how Gerard behaved off stage when he was an addict. None of us do. I don’t think it’s out of the realm of possibility that he was just as much of a “trainwreck” as MSI was according to your friend. And again, since you seem to have ignored it: it’s possible to be friends with people who make different choices regarding drugs and alcohol than you do. Just because my friends go out and get wasted doesn’t mean I have to.

I never said anything about whether MSI have changed or not. And although it’s ridiculous to take a claim like that as fact, I’ll entertain the notion that Jimmy Urine did buy coke from a fan. Because hm, let’s look at that - Jimmy Urine. Not Gerard Way. It’s well known that some of the members of MCR still drink; the fact that he’s in a rock band makes it seem pretty likely Gerard’s around people drinking and doing drugs on a daily basis. That does not inevitably lead to Gerard doing that himself. I’m not trying to imply that Gerard’s some kind of god who could never, ever slip up – just that it’s foolish to assume that he’ll automatically do so the second he’s around people who do drink and etc.

Anonymous said...

"I’m not trying to imply that Gerard’s some kind of god who could never, ever slip up"

Yeah you are. You just don't want to believe he's anything less than perfect these days.

Anonymous said...

from someone who agrees with V.V

i actually agree with some of the points Moineau made in her la post but i still stand by what v.v says.

gerard is still around people who do drugs and alcohol but it does not mean he is using again. however i do believe that he has changed for the worse and he is trying to be more like msi's jimmy urine.
just my two cents

Anonymous said...

Who gives a shit if Gerard fucked Lyn-z in a bathroom! Tacky? Yes. But Hell, they're newlyweds and are entitled to have some crazy ass fun! I DO NOT like her, MSI, or their NASTY music - and I also think that Gerard is screwing up EVERYTHING in his life, but I at least hope he's having a fucking blast doing it along the way without hurting anyone else!

Anonymous said...

You are an idiot because no one said anything about Gerard and Lyn Z in bathroom.

It was Jimmy Urine and the rest of his shitmongering band coked out of their minds and fucking in the toilet.

And hey yeah I have been unfortunate enough to witnessed FIRST HAND the behavior of this ENTIRE band.

If Gerard thinks he's the only one who's getting into that twat, he's sooooo wrong.

Anonymous said...

But maybe they have worked out a deal and have an "open" relationship LOL.

Anonymous said...

To the Anon. @ 11:45 a.m.-
Why would u call me a "idiot" for misundestading something? For fuck's sake girl! Why so anal? Or have you NEVER misunderstood anything, EVER? Besides, it looks like we share the same viewpoint but i guess you didn't catch that! I guess maybe you MISUNDERSTOOD!

Anonymous said...

Anon. at 9:15:

Are you really trying to tell me what I do or don't believe? Unless you have a valid point to make, don't waste your time posting.

sister midnite said...

If I would have known there would be a rational debate, I would have joined in sooner!

MSI (music or band) - DO NOT WANT.
They're the epitome of "shitty-ass rock dudes in shitty-ass rock bands". At least when Motley Crue did it, they were honest about it.

Personally, I think Lyn-Z is very pretty. I don't care why they got married, or how long it does or doesn't last. I just wish she wanted more for herself than the so-called 'career' (read: band) she's settled for.

I find it very amusing that 15-year-olds are trying to provide us all with the definition of 'satire'. If the person who provided that meaning is older, I apologize. You'll forgive me, as we all know that most of the Gerard-defenders are under 20.

The problem I have is not with MCR, or with MSI (as gag-spastic as they may be). If Gerard hadn't been so preachy about other bands and their behavior, no one would would be calling him a hypocrite now. He's the one who put himself up on that pedestal. And now that he can no longer walk the walk, he should quit talking the talk. Trying to have the same message as before, and practicing "do as I say, not as I do" only serves to make him look like a dick.

Anonymous said...

The problem I have is not with MCR, or with MSI (as gag-spastic as they may be). If Gerard hadn't been so preachy about other bands and their behavior, no one would would be calling him a hypocrite now. He's the one who put himself up on that pedestal. And now that he can no longer walk the walk, he should quit talking the talk. Trying to have the same message as before, and practicing "do as I say, not as I do" only serves to make him look like a dick.

I agree 100%!

Every time I hear that I shouldn't put him on a pedestal, I think to myself, I didn't do that, he did. He said he wanted to better than that, and he proved he could be, so when he does the things he's done recently, it disappoints me because the thing I liked the most about him is that he was different. Now he has just become that 'shitty ass rock dude' he used speak out against.

Anonymous said...

If Gerard hadn't been so preachy about other bands and their behavior, no one would would be calling him a hypocrite now. He's the one who put himself up on that pedestal.

This is what I don't understand. Gerard did not place himself on a pedestal. The fans did. He never went around telling people to like MCR or himself because of what he was saying - he said it because something angered him and the fans snapped it up, clung onto it, made it gospel. It's ludicrous to claim that he said the things he did to purposefully get fans to idolize him (if this isn't what you're claiming, please clarify, because I'm not sure I understand you).

Now he has just become that 'shitty ass rock dude' he used speak out against.

How so? Are you basing this entirely on the sexual things he's been doing on stage lately? Because I haven't heard anything about him asking girls to flash him to get backstage (which is pretty much all he preached about in regards to 'shitty ass rock dudes,' in case you've forgotten).

I find it very amusing that 15-year-olds are trying to provide us all with the definition of 'satire'. If the person who provided that meaning is older, I apologize. You'll forgive me, as we all know that most of the Gerard-defenders are under 20.

I'm sorry, I don't think I understand this - are you saying that it's not possible for anyone who hasn't reached whatever magical adult age you're apparently at to understand satire? It's a fairly simple concept that most people learn the first year of high school, if not earlier. Don't try and detract from things I or anyone else who's under 20 may say simply because of our age; it's a pointless generalization that doesn't make your own arguments look any better.

Anonymous said...


This is what I don't understand. Gerard did not place himself on a pedestal. The fans did. He never went around telling people to like MCR or himself because of what he was saying - he said it because something angered him and the fans snapped it up, clung onto it, made it gospel.


Except he actually said it a whole big bunch of times in various ways. So yeah, he DID put himself on the pedestal. MRC wanted to be more than just a band. They wanted to save your life. They wanted to have a message. Gerard used to be all about the message. Yup, he climbed up there himself, and now that he's lowered his standards and he wants down, he finds it's not so easy.


It's ludicrous to claim that he said the things he did to purposefully get fans to idolize him (if this isn't what you're claiming, please clarify, because I'm not sure I understand you).

Why is it so ludicrous? People pretend to be something they're not ALL THE TIME for things like status and adulation. I'm sorry, but I don't think he's above that. I have so little respect for him anymore that I honestly believe he did that exact thing.

Anonymous said...

There are plenty of Gerard defenders that are way over the age of 20.

Anonymous said...

Well as it has been said that teenies come in all ages, so of course do the Gerard defenders. I think that it's not so much about actual age but maturity and life experiences.

Anonymous said...

Why is it so ludicrous? People pretend to be something they're not ALL THE TIME for things like status and adulation. I'm sorry, but I don't think he's above that. I have so little respect for him anymore that I honestly believe he did that exact thing.

If he's so desperate for adulation why doesn't he come out after gigs to have kids fawn over him? Surely if he was so hungry for attention, as you claim, he'd be out all the time basking in the attention.

MRC wanted to be more than just a band. They wanted to save your life. They wanted to have a message.

And you've got it a bit wrong there. They've said it time and time again: My Chemical Romance is a band that wants to save your life. A band. Not Gerard Way, your new best friend; not Frank Iero, your new psychotherapist. As an entity, as a unit, they create music they enjoy that they also hope will help people. That is their message - nothing more, nothing less.

Anonymous said...

^well said as always Moineau

Anonymous said...

If he's so desperate for adulation why doesn't he come out after gigs to have kids fawn over him? Surely if he was so hungry for attention, as you claim, he'd be out all the time basking in the attention.

Don't agree with you here. He is not seeking the attention of kids or even adult fans, he is seeking credibility amongst his so called "rock" peers or HXC muso's. MCR is the whipping boy of the rock/punk scene. If anything he loathes his teenie fan base and is seeking a different demographic.

And you've got it a bit wrong there. They've said it time and time again: My Chemical Romance is a band that wants to save your life. A band. Not Gerard Way, your new best friend; not Frank Iero, your new psychotherapist. As an entity, as a unit, they create music they enjoy that they also hope will help people. That is their message - nothing more, nothing less.

Ah!, who created the band, and imposed what it represented,and actively stipulated time and time again what the band (meaning him) should represent to people. The others agreed because they could identify with it's noble aim, but make no mistake, the band is Gerard, he is the mouthpiece and identity, the others are the band's integrity. Gerard's so called message was integral to the promotion of the music in the past. This cannot be disconnected, then you have an entirely different band.

Anonymous said...

Well said sister midnight!
And no, age is not a exact measure of intelligence but with age comes experiance and there is not a college degree more meaningful than a life lesson learned the hard way. NOTHING!

Anonymous said...

Gerard did not place himself on a pedestal. The fans did.

vs.

"We want to be the band that saves your life."

Pretty high standards not have NOT put one's self on a pedestal.

Anonymous said...

And after further reading, yes, the band as a whole put themselves in that position.

Those words were said by not only Gerard, but by Frank as well.

But, I ask you and anyone who feels the need to answer.

Who's the mouthpiece of this band?
Who's the frontman?
Who do we hear the most from?
Who's initial idea was it?
Who spouted off all the values this band had?
Who?

Gerard is and will probably always remain the focal point of this band, and it's a fucking shame, too.

Gerard's so called message was integral to the promotion of the music in the past. This cannot be disconnected, then you have an entirely different band.

Yeah, what ^^^they said.

sister midnite said...

Moineau: What I said has nothing to do with adulation, or the fans. Gerard has said, MANY TIMES, that MCR has a message. They want to be the band that saves your life. That's a tall order to live up to, I get that -- what I don't understand is why his attitude toward that message appears to have changed so much. Because the fanbase tends to be mostly young girls, he has the responsibility to think about what he's saying to them. (And before you can tell me that "MCR was never meant for teenagers", I've already heard that many, many times. As long as the man keeps opening his big mouth, a lot of older music fans won't be able to take his 'little band' seriously.)

I'm sorry, I don't think I understand this - are you saying that it's not possible for anyone who hasn't reached whatever magical adult age you're apparently at to understand satire?

Again, no. I'm saying, quite literally, that we don't need to be *educated* on the meaning of the word 'satire', and how it supposedly applies to MSI. People are allowed to like or dislike bands; if I think they blow, I'm not going to change my mind because some twit says, "oh, you just don't get them; their lyrics are meant as satire." Let's face facts, shall we? The majority of MCR's fanbase are teenage girls. A lot of people who like MCR now like MSI, as well: thus, it can be said that a lot of teenage girls like MSI. And teenagers are the most likely to try & defend their chosen musical tastes. I'm sorry, but if the Buzznet crowd was open to more rational discussion and less "ZOMG, LITTLE GEE IS SOOOOO BIG!!111!!", it might promote a higher maturity level.

Anonymous @ 11:40: YES to everything you've said. Thank you for pointing that out; MCR is a band, but we all know who the most dominant member is.

Anonymous said...

Go V V! U r SOOOOOO rite! I think dis may b a resUlt of Gee's marriage 2 linz. SO obviously married him 4 fame. I can't blieve ppl think MSI's lyrics r satirical! If tey're so satirical, y iz Urine fucking complet strangers in broom stalls???

I wish G wd stop snorting coke with Linz!!!!

Anonymous said...

Because the fanbase tends to be mostly young girls, he has the responsibility to think about what he's saying to them. (And before you can tell me that "MCR was never meant for teenagers", I've already heard that many, many times.

I don't disagree with this at all, and wouldn't ever make that kind of claim. It's teenagers who are the primary demographic of bands of MCR's genre, and music as angst-filled as MCR's is bound to attract a lot of troubled kids. Gerard does have a certain amount of responsibility towards his audience - I just don't think he's neglected it at this point. Was asking the audience to join him in moaning perhaps the classiest thing to do? No. But it's a far cry from calling them sluts or whores or asking them to expose themselves (although I don't know if you feel his asking the men to remove their shirts is objectionable). I think it's also worth noting that teenagers aren't mindless drones - I was perfectly capable of rational thought at 13 or 14, and would've laughed the same as I would now had I been at one of the shows where Gerard did the moaning bit.

People are allowed to like or dislike bands; if I think they blow, I'm not going to change my mind because some twit says, "oh, you just don't get them; their lyrics are meant as satire."

I don't disagree with this either; as I've said before, I don't particularly care for MSI and whatever purpose they may have in writing the songs that they do doesn't change that. My issue is that some people seem to be taking the songs so literally, completely ignoring any satirical elements, in order to further their case for why Gerard is 'changing for the worse.' I fail to understand how Gerard marrying a member of a band with intentionally shocking lyrics, as well as taking that band on one tour, negates MCR's message.

Gerard's so called message was integral to the promotion of the music in the past. This cannot be disconnected, then you have an entirely different band.

Yes, Gerard's "so called message" was an important part of their appeal to fans in the past. But the 'disconnection' of this message does not lead to a different band - it leads to the same band with a different message. As everyone in the band grows older and matures I'm not at all surprised to see them slowly detaching from the same things they were talking and writing about six years ago. No one said MCR had to be the "anti-suicide band" forever - that was a major issue with them when they began but as their lives stabilize they're naturally going to write songs about different things. Will this lose them some fans? Probably. But I don't see how anyone can blame them for growing up and moving on with their lives.

Anonymous said...

I didn't know anything about MSI until I read this post.

Your knowledge begins and ends with that post. I feel sorry for you.

Anonymous said...

You have no idea why Lyn-Z married Gerard and I will tell you one thing: It was never about the love. She knows what she's doing by marrying him. She is only using him.

I'm sorry, but where's your proof? Or did you get your info directly from one of the ever-trustworthy anon posters, who know so much.

If she was in it for fame, she wouldn't play in a hardcore punk band, and she definitely wouldn't wait five years to get hitched with a famous guy. She could have "used" any of the frontmen in the bands MSI have played with:

http://mindlessselfindulgence.com/inside/links.php

Once again, I'm trying to "convert" anyone to MSI fans. I'm just trying to show that they're not a bunch of racist, sexist, homophobic assholes. And if they were, Urine would probably not dress like that.

Anonymous said...

*****Once again, I'm not trying to "convert" anyone to MSI fans.

XD

Anonymous said...

You say that people who don't see that Gerard is an alcoholic and/or cocaine addict are blind. So why is it that before I was even aware of these rumors, that I saw an excellent show at PR, in which Gerard's onstage self had no comparison to the videos of him drunk onstage in LOTMS?

Do you have any proof (one YouTube video, for example) that Gerard was drunk at Projekt Revolution? Or are you just relying on the words of a small group of bloggers, with supposed "Connections"?

Anonymous said...

Was asking the audience to join him in moaning perhaps the classiest thing to do? No. But it's a far cry from calling them sluts or whores or asking them to expose themselves (although I don't know if you feel his asking the men to remove their shirts is objectionable).

Personally I think him telling the audience of mostly young teen girls to fuck themselves and he wants to hear it, is equal to if not worse than asking them to expose themselves.

Anonymous said...

YO MOINEAU, ANONYMOUS AND HOLY GHOST---OR SHOULD I SAY LINZ, LITTLY JIMI URIN & KITY!!! Y R U TYING 2 BUTT RAPE MY INTELLIGENTS?

G-way is so obviously snorting coke, & LinZ and G's relationshp is questionable--since wen r humans allowed 2 fuk badgers? I mn, LinZ iz cleerly doing dis as a publikity stunt!!! & he iz a sellout 4 abandunning TEH MESSUGE!

ANON postrs r trustworthy...they DO hav connection, tey're not such loosers as 2 mak up identities! DUH!

None off u was @ PR...if u were, u would of SEEN G DRUNk and it DID compare 2 LOTMS...dehydration? FUK NO! G thru up cuz he was DRUNK! U R ALL BLIND!

& if G iz making TEENZ FUK demselves, who nos, he could b fuking lil kidz bakstage in bathroms. LinZ doesn't mind...G gets badger @$$ and she gets SUPA STARDUMB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Heed VV's words or u'll b sory!!!!!!!!!

I MEANZ IT!!!!

Anonymous said...

^^^ Unfortunately, if you take out all the chat speak and exclamation points, the argument sounds exactly like VV, Kapunua, etc...

Anonymous said...

Badger h8er is obviously a troll. And likely a Gerard fansheep or MSI fan.

Anonymous said...

holy ghost @ 5:13:
There's a HUGE difference between only being drunk and being drunk AND doing cocaineat the same time! The cocaine level's and even's you out and makes you not so 'sloppy.' Thats why he wasn't falling over drunk at PR like in LOTMS.

Anonymous said...

Yes, Gerard's "so called message" was an important part of their appeal to fans in the past. But the 'disconnection' of this message does not lead to a different band - it leads to the same band with a different message. As everyone in the band grows older and matures I'm not at all surprised to see them slowly detaching from the same things they were talking and writing about six years ago. No one said MCR had to be the "anti-suicide band" forever - that was a major issue with them when they began but as their lives stabilize they're naturally going to write songs about different things. Will this lose them some fans? Probably. But I don't see how anyone can blame them for growing up and moving on with their lives.

Same band with a different message? And what would that message be? To go fuck yourselves, like he was told to fuck himself? Or sucking dick for cocaine? This sounds like a band which is diametrically different to the original.

And from I remember, they were not just an anti-suicide band. What about respect to women, no elitism, no racism and tolerance. I suppose when you're busy sucking dick for cocaine you forget these things.

Yes, people do grow up, but this is regression.

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