It now looks like lots of us were wrong about Frank Iero too. Women getting punched is now funny to him too. And so is offending everyone he can. He now seems to enjoy the fact that he can say whatever nasty thing he wants and make people feel bad if he feels like it, without consequences.
That's the life and mind set of a true "Rock Star".
It's not like they're worth caring about anymore anyway....
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The sad thing about Frank's attempts at humor is that they aren't even funny. They're just stupid and juvenile. The term lame comes to mind.
James Owen Sullivan, the drummer for Avenged Sevenfold (The Rev) was found dead today in his home. He was 28.
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RIP
Oh my god. I don't know much about Avenged Sevenfold, but RIP.
What is it with this year?
I just read about that. Apparently, the drummer died from natural causes, but it seems a bit sketchy.
What is it with this year?
Seriously.
I'm hoping it wasn't drugs, but with guys in rock bands you know how it usually goes.
I remember they said natural causes with Casey Calvert at first too.
The sad thing about Frank's attempts at humor is that they aren't even funny. They're just stupid and juvenile. The term lame comes to mind.
I think unprofessional is the appropriate term.
I wonder what Brian would do about Frank and his out of control tweets if he was still their manager? He'd probably be losing his mind right about now.
I think the fact that all this shit flared up when Brian quit/was fired is quite telling, actually.
Rumor has it the band 'let him go' around October/November 2008.
I've also heard that he was no fan of the idea of them all having Twitter accounts, either. Brian probably knew what was to come.
I find it interesting that all his twitter comments on MCR have been 'no comment'. Makes me think he's been gagged as part of his severance. I'd imagine Brian has quite a few stories from backstage the band probably wouldn't want getting out.
Whether or not he left voluntarily, I think Brian's exit spelled doom for MCR.
And unrelated, but is it just me or is there a shitload more press for this new album than there was for TBP? Every interview that comes out is the exact same, but maybe with the sentences rearranged. I don't remember this much press for TBP, and especially it not being this obnoxious. Even the fans are getting annoyed with all this "teasing" as they call it.
I don't remember this much press for TBP, and especially it not being this obnoxious. Even the fans are getting annoyed with all this "teasing" as they call it.
The band and/or Warner tried to shroud TBP in a veil of mystery before it was released. There was a Black Parade website even though nobody knew what the Black Parade was, and pictures of Gerard and his cropped white hair were "leaked" with no explanation. Soon sites like "What is the Black Parade?" sprung up on lj. The whole fanbase was on pins and needles. It was kind of ridiculous, really.
I think, because the band was still riding the high from the success of Helena and was still gaining new fans, they thought that was a good approach, especially since Gerard considered TBP to be such a masterpiece at the time.
This time, MCR has been away for a while and everybody was pretty damn sick of TBP by the time they finally stopped touring off it. Plus, there has been a lot of press about "emo" (in its current incarnation, not 80's emo) being a dying genre. MCR really isn't considered all that relevant right now. I think this is why they're all over the everywhere promoting the next record and insisting that they've completely changed their sound.
Everything hinges on the new record. If it sucks, or even if it doesn't but it just doesn't connect with some new fans and reconnect with the old ones, I think it will spell the end of MCR.
http://twitter.com/aliciaway/status/6854849953
Looks like the women of the MCR camp don't have a problem with sexist insults either.
That whole band and their families must be a boatload of fucking morons.
Alicia is a nasty piece of work, full stop. She cheated with Mikey when he had a girlfriend, and dealt drugs to both Mikey and Gerard on Warped.
But it worked out okay for her. Now she has some stoned jackass to pay for her car and tattoo sessions to finish her shitty sleeve.
But it worked out okay for her. Now she has some stoned jackass to pay for her car and tattoo sessions to finish her shitty sleeve.
I looked at some of the pictures she posted on Twitpic and there is one with her lying on a couch with her dog. That made me think of that MTV show 'Meet the Barkers' in which Travis Barker's wife Shanna didn't do anything else than lying in bed all day while he was working. I get the feeling that Alicia is doing exactly that too.
To be fair, Mikey probably keeps her that way.
Despite the fact that she hasn't worked a day in her life since they shacked up (and no, 'helping out' at the La Brea Tar Pits doesn't count when you brag about it on Twitter), she actually did once slog it out on tour (which can't be a nice career for a female, unless of course it's a means to an end in order to snare a drugged up to the eyeballs husband who'll marry you and take you home).
I get the impression she needs to keep her lop-sided coke dimmed eyes on Mikey or he'd be off with the next young pretty thing that tuned his bass. It works both ways. She wants to do nothing more than drive around LA and 'hang' at home watching the Discovery Channel all day while he needs someone on call 24/7 for when he gets the shakes. They're both so totally co-dependant it hurts.
I'm wondering if anyone here has taken the liberty of collecting and screencapping Frank's offensive tweets.
Because when they come out guns blazing to promote their new record and Warner decides to delete his account, lest anyone see that he encourages violence against women, it sure would be good to have the evidence on standby.
I screencapped the one where he said that the girl getting punched = proof of God, but that's the only one.
I think maybe he deleted it, but the others are still there -- except maybe the Marilyn Manson ones.
That made me think of that MTV show 'Meet the Barkers' in which Travis Barker's wife Shanna didn't do anything else than lying in bed all day while he was working. I get the feeling that Alicia is doing exactly that too.
At least Lindsey has a child to take care of and she's planning on her art showing next year so she's keeping busy. Plus, she does have a real job with MSI (backbending onstage for cash is a job, after all) despite her lack of musical ability.
Alicia is just a leech.
Yes, he has deleted it, 9:10. What a horrid little cowardly toad. I wonder if that was him, or Warner.
I know that I made screenshots of Bob the Flop's 'piece of art' and also of his comments that people should lighten up about it and that it's only a word.
Yay!!!! I found the coathanger comment!!! HERE!!.
Let's all screen cap it!
Capped.
The cap I made of the punch in the face comment was from the band's website. I don't have it right now because I'm at work but I can post it later if you guys want it.
Yes, Bob. Yes. A word. Like those 'words' that were used to justify dragging black people along by their feet from a truck Was that, what, one hundred years ago? Or still happening today, you say?
Words. So very harmless.
Yes, Bob. Yes. A word. Like those 'words' that were used to justify dragging black people along by their feet from a truck Was that, what, one hundred years ago? Or still happening today, you say?
Words. So very harmless.
Yeah, well, according to Bob as long as you're a straight white male the world is your oyster and you don't have to give a fuck!
I think you mean Bob, Frank, Gerard, Mikey, Ray, and oh, look, Alicia, Lindsay - Hell, pretty much anyone orbiting the planet stupid like they seem to be.
Okay, Here is one about MM.
"Little bitch". Why do you have to paint a vagina on everything you find threatening, Frank?
Were those girls at Highschool really so mean to you?
Someone needs to take this tool down a peg or two.
I don't know if I said it here already but there must be some truth to the rumor that little men have anger issues and tend to suffer from an inferiority complex. Isn't it called Napoleon syndrome or something like that?
honestly, after following these clowns and following Pete Wentz, Pete seems like a great guy.
Um, I don't know if you guys know this already but there is a nice little tool/site called 'The Wayback Machine'. It's an archive of old websites and sometimes I am able to find old, deleted sites again. Very, very useful!!!
Click!
I'm trying to find old(er) versions of the MCR homepage on which you can still see Frank's tweets.
yea there is Siobhan. You find it in dogs too, like those tiny terriers.
yea there is Siobhan. You find it in dogs too, like those tiny terriers.
Wow, if you type in mychemicalromance.com you can find old sites from 2002 on the Wayback Machine. Interesting.
Here, take a look at this. But there is no picture of Rumpelstilzchen on top. Did he join the band later?
yea there is Siobhan. You find it in dogs too, like those tiny terriers.
Hahahaha!
God, reading that is depressing. Look how humble, thankful and grateful they once were towards their fans.
"We will miss you guys but just wait to you hear what we come back with."
Compare that to Gerard's gum-flapping about how great they are, or Frank's tweets now.
Money really does corrupt you.
Yep! Very humble.
There is a thread on their messageboard which says '12 Dollars????'. Hahaha, unfortunately you can't enter that thread since it's not archived but I think that it's either about their cd or a concert ticket.
12.08.02
(...)I'm off to do some home things like re-pose my Transformers and He-Man toys and wash some clothes.(...)
Okay, those entries are signed with '-r'. Is this Ray?
11.15.02
Do you like gladiator movies?
What's up everybody! We got back from Chicago a few days ago after thoroughly rocking the Metro. Everyone there was awesome, thanks to all the kids that took time to meet us after the show. Also thanks go out to the Drive and Cellar Door for making music. Check those two bands out. Also check out our shows page for some new dates where we'll be fighting the good fight!
MCR is going through a change of some kind, I can't exactly put my finger on it. It seems to have started after the Downtime show, but we're slowly becoming more than just 5 kids making rock 'n' roll. The band is taking on a life of its own, and it seems that we're thankfully along for the ride. We are slowly becoming...
Gladiators of Rock 'n' Roll! Or some shit like that...None of this would be possible without you guys and gals, so never, ever forget that, and never let any band or anybody tell you different. You allow us to make music for you, and for that, we can't thank you enough.
Be good to your friends, and love a dinosaur or two - r.
Gladiators? What?
http://community.livejournal.com/tothetune/48462.html
Looks like people are actually speaking out against Frank within the fan communities.
It's a shame some Frank defenders feel the need to mock abuse victims, much like he did, in order to invalidate their arguments. And a shame that so many people can't speak out under their login names for fear of being hunted down by the crazies.
01.18.03
Mountains!
Holy Shit! We're driving through Boulder, CO and man is it beautiful Woh, Matt just saw some tumbleweed! I wish I had a camera to take some pictures. I'm probably gonna get one today since we're getting our allowances today. We shall see how far I can stretch $40 over next week. It'll be a struggle to keep from buying new toys when I've got to eat. Me and Frankie were gonna go halfies on a loaf of bread and giant jars of peanut butter and jelly to keep us going through the week. We'll see if I don't buy toys first...
I wanted to take the time to thank all of you that have coming to the shows. You guys have treated us with nothing but kindness while we're onstage and off, and we truly appreciate that. Even those who don't know us have been rocking out and having a good time, and that's what music is all about. Gotta put another CD on to keep Matt awake! Salt Lake City, here we come! Oh, one last thing! You guys should make us mix tapes and CDs of your favorite bands for us to listen to on the road. We wanna know what you guys and gals are rocking out to! Thanks!!!
Ray
I'm wondering if they remember those days when they had to live on 40$ a week.
Hey everybody! Gerard really needs a copy of "Lose Yourself" by Eminem. He wants it to be his "tour jam." He would be really, really grateful for anyone who could burn this for him and bring it to a show.
Interesting! Feminist Gerard!
Sorry that I'm spamming the blog here. ^_^
I've just realized that they're always calling their audience 'kids'. It would piss me off to be called a kid all the time.
That still are calling their fans Kids, Sibohan. That's one of the things that has always really annoyed me about them.
Funny, since they're no longer interested in 'the Kids' and seem to think they're going to catch all the Megadeath fans in some kind of magical net which will propel them into 'real' Metal superstardom.
It sounds so condescending.
From the messageboard in 2004:
how would you feel if MCR was main stream?
Bwahahahahahahahahha
In case anyone wants it, Frank's Jersey Shore tweet back when it was showing on the official MCR site.
here's one of the responses to Franks Tweets on LJ
See, I'm kind of on the fence with this whole thing.
Being 18 having looked up to Frank for the past 3 years because of not only the music he's created with the other 4 guys in My Chem but also because of the positive things he's said and done.
And also in meeting him, I can pretty much spot a bullshitter and tell the difference, and like that guy almost oozed sincerity the 2 times I met him.
That being said, just because I believe he's a great person doesn't mean he cant fuck up. And I feel as if he's taking his "jokes" too far, not only the ones about violence against females but also the religious jokes. I'm not Christian and I haven't been sexually harassed or abused ever but I can definitely see how people could get offended by that kind of thing. And I really dont find half the stuff he's been saying funny.
To me, its actually kind of disappointing and even,disheartening that somebody who's looked up to by so many people would make such ignorant "jokes. And him liking to offend people from far or whatever doesn't justify any of it or make it funny to me. People, especially young females who've maybe dealt with that kind of abuse or whatever could really get hurt by somebody so important to them making "jokes" about it. And a part of me thinks he doesn't even realize that.
And I'm not saying I expect him to be perfect just because he's famous or a hero to people or whatever, I'm just saying he should at least be a little more aware.
But yeah, thats pretty much all I had to say.
All in all, he's definitely still such an inspiration to me in a lot of ways and everything but I think he's going too far with the "jokes".
Oh my God, I can't believe it about the Rev! That's so sad!
I went to see Avenged Sevenfold about a year ago; it's so weird that someone who was so alive then could be gone.
Ugh. Drugs are bad. (I know it's not official, but I think we all know what happened.)
Read through the rest of the blog, and:
a) I don't think it's that big of a deal to call your audience "kids." To me it just means that they're young people, under-30s. My mom calls my adult cousins who are in their 20s "kids" just to mean that they're the kids, not the parents, kind of.
b) Maybe Frank deleted his Marilyn Manson tweets because he's afraid Manson will come to his house and beat him up? I'd sure be afraid to cross that guy after this:
"If one more ‘journalist’ makes a cavalier statement about me and my band, I will personally or with my fans’ help, greet them at their home and discover just how much they believe in their freedom of speech.”
Wait, that started off as an attack on Frank's lack of bravery, but ended up making more of a statement about Manson. Oops.
I don't know if I said it here already but there must be some truth to the rumor that little men have anger issues and tend to suffer from an inferiority complex. Isn't it called Napoleon syndrome or something like that?
It's called short man syndrome .
Wait, that started off as an attack on Frank's lack of bravery, but ended up making more of a statement about Manson. Oops.
Lol. I think it was just to avoid a potential lawsuit. (Not that I think one would happen.) I personally like to think that Marilyn Manson and Brian Warner are two different people, but maybe I'm deluding myself there. And I've kinda gone off topic...
Oh, adding on to that...I think my respect for Ray has dwindled a bit after noticing he retweeted Frank's Manson tweet. I've come to expect that kind of thing from Frank but I thought Ray was above it.
For someone who thinks they're not worth caring about anymore you sure don't act like it. Even if you really think you hate them now they're still getting a pretty strong emotion out of you, you actually seem pretty hurt by how they act.. looks like you care to me. Don't get me wrong, I agree with a lot of what you've said before and I’m not condoning everything that Frank says but there are two sides to it.
Frank hasn’t changed, he has always been sarcastic and I’m sure he has always had the same sense of humour that he does now. If you don’t like that then fine but that’s who he is, he isn’t judging you. He is still the same nice guy that you all thought he was before twitter, go meet him after another show and I’m sure he’ll still be that sincere guy. Again I’m not saying I think what he writes doesn’t offend people, I’m sure some of it does, but he is entitled to his opinion just the same as you are.
And as for the ‘He now seems to enjoy the fact that he can say whatever nasty thing he wants and make people feel bad if he feels like it, without consequences’, have you read some of what ‘fans’ say to him? If someone started calling me fat I sure as hell would say something back.
I’ve been reading this blog for a long time now and, like I said before, I usually agree with it but this time I really had to disagree. Now go ahead, tell me how wrong I am and get out all your youtube videos and screenshots to prove it, it won’t change what I think of Frank.
have you read some of what ‘fans’ say to him? If someone started calling me fat I sure as hell would say something back.
If you honestly can't tell the difference between sassing someone who was rude to you, and saying that some guy punching a woman in the face is "proof of god" as well as the other misogynistic things he's said recently, then I don't even know what to say to you.
Hello everyone!
Megan, I don't mind people who are older than me calling me a kid but if people do it who are younger than me I find it patronizing.
The thing with sarcasm or irony is that it doesn't translate that well on the internet and who is he talking to on Twitter and what does he want to say with those tweets? He doesn't even address those tweets to someone in particular.
He clearly wants to offend and hurt.
Also, nothing screams spineless coward like someone who states that he likes to offend from afar. Maybe someone should get really close to him once to beat some sense in that piece of shit.
First of I just want to say sorry, I didn’t realise there was already a Megan on the blog, so for her sake that last comment was said by me.. I’ll just call myself Meg to help.
Kapunua - I’m not an idiot thanks, I definitely have no problems differentiating sass and a misogynistic attack. I think it’s over exaggerating just a tad to say what Frank said was misogynistic though, he called them both worthless, and at the end of the day he was referring to a reality TV show.
Siobhan – I’m sorry that you find being called a kid patronising but that’s just a word they use. I think its patronising when people call me sweetheart but I don’t complain because that’s just how they talk. If I found out that the band were using ‘kids’ intentionally to be patronising then I will take back what I said and completely agree with you.
You’re totally right.. sarcasm doesn’t translate well written, but by saying that you have to agree that you think some of it is sarcasm. It’s a shame that his Twitter is so public but I’m sure if any of what he has said is directly aimed at someone then they’ll know about it. If they want to go ‘beat some sense’ into him then that’s their fight. What tweets are you referring to when you say ‘he clearly wants to offend and hurt’?
I disagree that it was exaggerating. (You don't need to add "over," it's redundant.) It perpetuates the idea that violence against women is cool and hilarious.
Please also try to differentiate between sarcasm and rudeness. Sarcasm is when you use irony, in other words, purposely saying the opposite of what is true. Frank is saying what he means, what he honestly finds funny and worthy. That's not sarcasm. That's just him expressing his opinion in ways to specifically piss people off.
Sarcasm would have been "Oh, yeah I was so upset when that girl got punched."
It's a pet peeve of mine when people use the word "sarcasm" wrong. It's not just being snarky.
Oh, good to know that there are two different Megans. I was a bit confused to be honest. ^_^
Meg, I don't know if they use the word 'kid' to be patronizing and I have to say that I don't think that this is the case but still I don't like it.
You’re totally right.. sarcasm doesn’t translate well written, but by saying that you have to agree that you think some of it is sarcasm.
No, I have to disagree. I was only referring to your comment in which you alleged that Frank has always been sarcastic.
I mereley wanted to point out that if you want to be sarcastic or ironic you should make it clear that people will understand it as such.
What tweets are you referring to when you say ‘he clearly wants to offend and hurt’?
I think that tweet about the Jersey Shore girl, the one in which he tells kids that their mother should have sat on a coathanger and any other passive agressive tweet he likes to post now and then if he gets called out on his bullshit.
Why is his tweet public anyway?
*Twitter, not tweet
His Twitter is public so he can have his ego buttered by eager fans while being rude to them and laughing about it with his hardcore friends.
Kapunua - I appreciate the English lesson, I’ll remember it next time I think you’re exaggerating. I don’t understand why you keep bringing sexism into this, if you are referring to another statement of his then fair enough, I can’t say I’ve read them all. If you were saying that he finds violence cool and hilarious you might have more of a point but I’m sure if it was the girl that punched the guy he would find it even funnier. I think that one comment is being way too over analysed (Can I say over here?). Frank wasn’t laughing at an innocent woman being attacked, it was a drunk girl mouthing off at someone. If it was the other way around and the girl punched the mouthy guy would we still be having this discussion?
I’m sorry I don’t remember the part where I referred to the Jersey Shore comment as sarcastic? I said he was sarcastic, which he is, and that some of what he says is sarcastic, again which it is. Now I’d appreciate if you have something else to say to me, that you don’t try re-educating me in the ways of the English dictionary, because frankly that’s being rude.
Siobhan – Sorry I misunderstood you, and you’re right he probably should be clearer.
I think originally the idea of their public tweets was supposed to be a cool way to let fans interact while they were ‘away’ but that backfired a little terribly. I really believe he isn’t intentionally trying to hurt or offend anyone it’s just his humour and a lot of people don’t seem to either get it or agree with it, but that is who he is and always has been. I can see how people are getting offended with the coat hanger tweet but I still don’t think that was the intended outcome. Maybe he should think about making it private.
Frank has made many other comments about women, such as that one should have given herself an abortion because she couldn't control her kids (which is SEXIST, because it assumes that women should be perfect mothers who can control their children at all times).
He also symbolically genders anything he hates to be female (The 'snow god' had a vagina he wanted to punch. Mason was a 'little bitch').
So we have three very graphic images of women's bodies being violated and abused. Punch to the face, punch to the vagina, and a backstreet abortion.
Frank has NEVER shown this side of him before. The first people knew of it was his Leathermouth record and shows where he called fans 'Cunts' to their faces and mocked them for 'never being able to have him'.
There is NO REASON you can cook up that this type of behavior is okay. If Frank was singling out Black people, or Asian people, or Gay people, he would have nowhere to hide. He is attacking women because he assumes it is okay for him to do it. IT ISN'T.
How many times have MCR told girls to respect themselves? How many times have they preached about girls not being taken advantage of and verbally abused at shows?
Frank has managed to show himself up for the pathetic little hypocrite he is. Oddly enough, after his bank balance has swollen.
Trust me, people have screencapped his comments, and next time MCR try and pull the 'Girl Power' routine (if they ever do again) tinypic will come in VERY handy to a lot of people.
Oh, and P.S. If Frank 'didn't mean to offend' anyone and would be upset if he knew the impact of his words, why does he defend and block people when they reply to him regarding it?
Because he sees no wrong in his actions. Women are a joke. They're 'things'. They don't have feelings, and their pain and suffering at the hands of men is just a comedy routine for him to laugh at.
I don’t understand why you keep bringing sexism into this, if you are referring to another statement of his then fair enough, I can’t say I’ve read them all. If you were saying that he finds violence cool and hilarious you might have more of a point but I’m sure if it was the girl that punched the guy he would find it even funnier. I think that one comment is being way too over analysed (Can I say over here?). Frank wasn’t laughing at an innocent woman being attacked, it was a drunk girl mouthing off at someone.
Oh, so that's all right then. As long as the woman is drunk and "mouthing off" then punching her in the face is hilarious.
If it was the other way around and the girl punched the mouthy guy would we still be having this discussion?
I'm not sure, because quite possibly Frank wouldn't have had anything to say about that. He might have, or maybe not. I still would not agree that it would have been "okay" for a woman to hit a man, drunk or not. You never hit first.
I’m sorry I don’t remember the part where I referred to the Jersey Shore comment as sarcastic? I said he was sarcastic, which he is, and that some of what he says is sarcastic, again which it is.
Well gosh, then why even bring it up? No one here cares if he's merely sarcastic.
Now I’d appreciate if you have something else to say to me, that you don’t try re-educating me in the ways of the English dictionary, because frankly that’s being rude.
It's not rude, it's clarifying something.
Did this fangirl just seriously say that the woman was "mouthing off" and that made it different? Seriously? I did not just read that. No way.
hear that guys, it's 'OK to hit a woman if she's mouthy.
"The first people knew of it was his Leathermouth record and shows where he called fans 'Cunts' to their faces and mocked them for 'never being able to have him'.
"
I remember that.
Actually it wasn't the audience he called cunts, but one girl. She was in the audience and was about 15, 16 and was screaming for him. He told her 'shut up, cunt".
Siobhan – Sorry I misunderstood you, and you’re right he probably should be clearer.
No problem, Meg.
I agree he should make his Twitter private - or even better - only use it for MCR-related posts.
I mean, after all, that's why they created those accounts on Twitter, right?
I find it irritating that their tweets are displayed on their band website because they are hardly about things related to their band projects and mostly about private things.
Bob deleted his Twitter and Gerard hasn't posted a tweet for months. So, I guess it's not like they are forced to use their accounts.
I really believe he isn’t intentionally trying to hurt or offend anyone it’s just his humour and a lot of people don’t seem to either get it or agree with it, but that is who he is and always has been.
You might be right about that, but the thing with those guys in MCR is that they never seemed to have learned how to apologize or even justify their actions.
In Frank's case it would have been so easy for him to post a tweet in which he states that it was meant in a sarcastic way and/or that he apologizes to those who he might have offended with either of those tweets and that would be it but instead he gets belligerent and makes fun of the people who complained about his insensitivity.
You know, some of these morons who've clearly never read a word about Feminist theory in their lives yet feel able to come in here and trash everyone's opinions on Frank's sexism - (oh, sorry, he isn't sexist, is he?) - remind me of the ones making excuses for Chris Brown.
She baited him, she deserved it, she hit him first blah blah blah.
I don't care how hard Frank's life is. I don't care who pissed in his cornflakes those mornings when he decided to mock the abuse and pain of women and their most private body parts. I DON'T CARE.
Nothing makes that kind of behavior right.
If he'd Tweeted "to the N*gger dude whose screaming brats ruined Transformers for me: you should have tied to yourself by the neck to a Cottonwood" he would be in shit deeper than the Pacific ocean.
Women are not acceptable 'fun targets' for men's aggression or anger, no matter how 'gobby' they are, just because they happen to be something different from you.
Calling one person a cunt, calling seven people it, it doesn't matter. He's still a douche for doing it in the first place.
I'm sure had Frank enough clout to have actually gone on a proper tour with his shitty women-hating side project he'd have blessed more individuals with that same treatment.
YES to 11:00.
Actually it wasn't the audience he called cunts, but one girl. She was in the audience and was about 15, 16 and was screaming for him. He told her 'shut up, cunt".
Unbelievable! Have you been to that show or is there a video?
I don't think the 'cunt' comment was caught on film, but enough people who posted show reviews confirmed it.
Also, for more 'let's hate on those with vaginas' fun, see this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5PMKgmZQNM
Listen to Frank's solo male audience member lapping it up.
Because it's totally funny that Frank relies on all those females buying his shitty S//C merch in order to pay his bills, so he has to show them how much they mean to him by finding the idea of murdering them entertaining.
I didn’t say that because she was mouthing off it was okay to hit her. I was merely saying she wasn’t innocent and weak as you’re all making her out to be, she could stand up for herself and clearly wasn’t afraid of the guy.
‘Well gosh, then why even bring it up?’ After the lecture you just gave me.. are you joking? And thank you for clarifying but I found it rude.
Wow! So because I don’t agree with one of these posts, I’m a fangirl? Would you care to explain how you worked that one out?
Thanks to the anon that explained the whole sexist theory, as I said before I haven’t read all of his tweets so I genuinely appreciated the catch up. I’m not going to disagree with everything you’ve said and say it isn’t sexist because some of it is, but I still don’t think it was said as maliciously as some of you are making out. I don’t think it’s that Frank has never shown this side to himself it just that no ones been able to see it, unless you’ve known him personally of course. Leathermouth, as you say ‘the first time people knew of it’ was the first time he had the freedom to say what he wanted away from the labels dictation.
I’m sure they aren’t stupid enough to come back preaching but at least the world will sleep safer knowing you’ve got screencaps at the ready. I never said he would be upset if he knew the impact of his words, I just said I don’t think he’s tweeting purely to hurt people. Maybe you should follow his lead and block people that say things you don’t like too.
To the anon about sexist theory – First of all I am not trashing your opinion, as I just said above I agree some of what he has said is sexist, and you are more than welcome to think or feel however you like about Frank just as I am allowed to disagree. I also think you need to calm down, I don’t know what gave you the impression that I think beating women is okay but I can assure you I don’t.
I didn’t say that because she was mouthing off it was okay to hit her. I was merely saying she wasn’t innocent and weak as you’re all making her out to be, she could stand up for herself and clearly wasn’t afraid of the guy.
Sorry but I fail to see how that changes anything at all. So what if she wasn't "innocent" or "afraid?" Besides, how do you know she wasn't afraid?
Your argument here holds no water. That guy hitting that girl was not funny. Frank saying that it was "proof of god" is hateful and goes against everything MCR used to lie about.
‘Well gosh, then why even bring it up?’ After the lecture you just gave me.. are you joking?
You brought up "sarcasm" as if anyone here had a problem with it. If you knew that's not what we were talking about, why did you bring it up? No one was complaining about his sarcasm.
I also think you need to calm down, I don’t know what gave you the impression that I think beating women is okay but I can assure you I don’t.
Maybe comments like, "She was drunk, she was mouthing off, she wasn't innocent."
What the fuck is this crap? Are there really people who listen to this shit?
You know what I'm starting a band as well. THAT I can do as well.
Link to 11:28
He asks how many people in the audience are under 18. Then he asks how many are under eighteen and are of the female persuasion. Most of them cheer. he says "this is new to me. This song is for you guys and about you guys, it's about cutting off your heads and setting your bodies on fire."
You're right. Let's block Frank's hate. let's block every male who treats us like pieces of shit in our lives. Let's block every system of power that silently and not-so-silently sometimes tells us that we are second class citizens because we are women.
That's how they confronted racism, right? They hid. They turned the other cheek. When someone said offensive shit they had no right to say, they rolled over, and 'minded their own business'.
No. I won't.
I won't have Frank or any other male believe his crap is justified because I have 'option' to ignore it.
Trust me, when it's looking at me like I'm a piece of meat in line at a bar, or following me home from work with the intention of raping me because my skirt's too short, or telling me I can't get paid as much as the dude I work with who does exactly the same job as I do, I'm not going to fucking ignore it. I'm going to make a fucking stand. I'm going to speak out about it.
BECAUSE IT'S WRONG.
WTF? Seriously? I can't believe I actually went to one of their shows. He wasn't like that when I saw them.
I would have walked out. Jesus.
Also, I must say, A+ victim blaming going on from the idiots tonight. We're 'weak' or 'gobby' or 'need to calm down'.
I really don't know how much further you can sink in order to defend Frank, but I'm going to kick back with a big bucket of popcorn and some 'crisps' and enjoy watching it.
To those who have pointed out that Frank's newfound misogyny seems to have started with Leathermouth, I agree. I think that's a point many are missing- I remember being disgusted when I first read some of the lyrics for Leathermouth and even a little creeped out that someone like Frank who seems so sweet would write something like that.
I remember an interview he did where he said something along the lines of, "There's nothing better than playing a LM show and seeing 14 year old girls screaming lyrics like 'you're a filthy little whore' back at you. It's so much fun."
I'll see if I can find it.
Man, that guy must have really felt oppressed the whole time back then when Gerard made his statements about MCR being an anti-sexist band.
Maybe he's compensating for it now?
Frank has revealed himself to be every bit as fake and reliant on his hardcore friends approval as Gerard. The others must think the same way too.
I’m not trying to win a war, it would be stupid when it’s currently about 10 to 1. You’ve all said your opinions and I just wanted to express mine, its only fair right? Enjoy the popcorn though.
If it makes you feel better to take your war on sexism out on Frank then please carry on but I really think sitting behind your computer bitching on a blog isn’t doing much for the women of the world. I’m sorry if you have been treated unfairly in the past because you’re a woman, I really am, but that’s not what this is about.
A girl getting hit by a guy isn’t funny your right, my argument wasn’t that it is. Your argument that it was a sexist comment to make is also void by the fact he called the guy worthless, he was laughing at him just as much. There is a big difference between domestic violence and a bar brawl.
Anon at 12:05
Please don't label them all the same as Gerard. Do you really think Ray stoops to his level?
Meg, you seem to be confused about what you hope to accomplish here.
You're telling us that you sort of understand why we're offended now someone's explained in simple terms Frank's blatant sexism. You say you're not 'victim blaming', just that you want to make us aware that Frank 'didn't mean' to cause offence. He was having a laugh. It's his sense of humor etc.
The thing is, Frank can't crack jokes that demean women, because he is a male in a culture when men constantly do it. Even when they're being 'nice'. The ingrained belief 99% of men have is that they come first, women come second. It's their own needs and feelings that matter foremost.
So, in telling us that we can't call Frank out, or that we have no right to get so angry is simply adding to this belief. Women's feelings don't matter. Their opinions can be shut down because they dared to call a man out over a 'joke'. This is a false belief. Frank isn't the one harmed by his jokes. By that very fact, they become malicious.
Meg, Ray tweeted 'Women shouldn't be allowed to do a number two in public restrooms'. He's just as much of a sexist idiot as the rest of them.
There is a big difference between domestic violence and a bar brawl.
If it's okay to hit a female in a bar cos she irritates you, should be okay to hit your woman at home if she does the same thing/sarcasm.
If it makes you feel better to take your war on sexism out on Frank then please carry on but I really think sitting behind your computer bitching on a blog isn’t doing much for the women of the world. I’m sorry if you have been treated unfairly in the past because you’re a woman, I really am, but that’s not what this is about.
Meg, everyone is at war. Every day. As a woman, this is what we have to live with day in and day out. I call it out in real life, and I'm going to call it out online too. It takes seconds. About the same amount of time as coming here defending Frank does for you. Trust me, Frank isn't my special target. There are plenty of tools out there for me to call out. And let's not carry on with the victim blaming, shall we? It doesn't look good on you.
Your argument that it was a sexist comment to make is also void by the fact he called the guy worthless, he was laughing at him just as much. There is a big difference between domestic violence and a bar brawl.
Except that the power relations between men and women are totally different, and the fact that it wasn't a guy getting hit. It was a women. You're trying a tactic called derailing, which is common for people who are trying to explain away the actions of racists/sexists/homophobics. Talk about the case in point, not 'what ifs'.
If it makes you feel better to take your war on sexism out on Frank then please carry on but I really think sitting behind your computer bitching on a blog isn’t doing much for the women of the world.
I have to disagree with you. If there is only one girl or woman reading this blog and thus decides to not support this man with her money anymore so that he finally fades into obscurity as he deserves then I think we have done at least something for the women of the world.
I’m sorry if you have been treated unfairly in the past because you’re a woman, I really am, but that’s not what this is about.
It seems as if you have never experienced discrimination and I feel happy for you then but still don't you think that there should be solidarity among girls/women? Even if you weren't the target of misogyny you should not stand aside and think Yeah, well, better her than me! because it's likely that it could be you someday.
And just like many commenters on here already stated; just imagine that Frank would have said those comments about people of another race or ethnicity. All hell would break loose.
Why is it always so incredibly irrelevant if women are the target of discrimination? Even for other women? That's what I don't understand?
It's also called trivializing.
What I don't understand about Meg's comment is how she thinks that being the victim of sexism somehow invalidates your argument. Why is that? Perhaps we're too invested/crappy/emotional? Too 'close to the issue'? Congratulations, that's the way a 99% of mens' minds work too!
And as for the 'one person bitching isn't go to do shit' point:
1) 'Bitching' is a sexist term (see how common and 'normal' sexist language is? That's because it's designed to keep women oppressed. Clever, huh?)
2) How the hell do you think Slavey was stopped. By all those Civil Rights Activists just ignoring it and eating their watermelons? People speak out when something is offensive. People read this blog. This isn't the first time I have stated these opinions online. Therefore, people will see this. They may connect with it. That, to me, is worth 'bitching' for an hour or so.
Every little helps.
It's the small things that lead to change.
'Bitching' is a sexist term (see how common and 'normal' sexist language is? That's because it's designed to keep women oppressed. Clever, huh?)
It's telling she used that word when it has just been explained to her as a gendered insult as used by Frank. Brick. Wall. Meet. Head.
It's the small things that lead to change.
Tell that to Meg. She seems to think one (or dozens) of people getting offended on a blog is more of an issue than one idiot musician spreading hate and sexism via a twitter that thousands of his young fans see.
But fans will do dumb things to keep their idols in the position of power they voted them into.
There is a big difference between domestic violence and a bar brawl.
Violence is violence.
If it makes you feel better to take your war on sexism out on Frank then please carry on but I really think sitting behind your computer bitching on a blog isn’t doing much for the women of the world.
Incidentally, way to assume that this is all we do. For myself, I come here maybe once or twice a month. When I see something that pisses me off, anywhere, I speak up against it.
And this is why you sound like one of those fangirls. Because you come here and accuse those of us willing to call out Frank for his hateful comments of doing nothing aside from that. And that is typical fangirl "logic."
"There is a big difference between domestic violence and a bar brawl."
right cos a man hitting a woman in a public place is so suddenly different than him hitting her in their private home?
if you're still wondering why people are calling you a fangirl, it's because you still try to defend Frank after being offered clear and logical evidence against your case.
I think a lot of girls and women of the newer generation don't care much about feminism because they have never experienced sexism. They think all that is in the past. But it's a weird paradox because the fact that they've never experienced (blatant) sexism is only possible due to 100+ years of feminist effort, and will only continue to be possible if society stops tolerating the neanderthal behavior of people like Mr. Iero.
Of course, everyone has experienced sexism in some degree, but sadly, some don't even realize that words like "bitch" ARE sexist.
He asks how many people in the audience are under 18. Then he asks how many are under eighteen and are of the female persuasion. Most of them cheer. he says "this is new to me.
Did you hear how he said "this is new to me"? What an asshole. He ought to be grateful that anyone would listen to them at all. I guess he is pissed that MCR doesn't have more adult male fans. Maybe he wants more men to try and makeout with him. He seemed to dig Gerard and making out with him. Did they really expect grown ass men to like the whole band uniforms and songs like "I dont love you" and "Mama"?
It was a Leathermouth gig, Lynn, not MCR.
Although when you think of it, having a young female audience actually shouldn't be new to Frank; that's been MCR's audience for years...
Did he really think that kissing another guy onstage would attract the mostly homophobic male audience of bands like Slayer or whatever other metal bands there are they want to impress now? They even hate women then why should they respect gay men? At least women serve a purpose for these men and still they think they are worthless pieces of shit.
Did you read the MetalHammer online comments about Gerard's interview. How many times were they called cunts, pussies and bitches?
As far as I remember it wasn't only Gerard who wanted to kiss Frank but also Frank who put his tongue in Gerard's mouth many times.
But yeah, it's the many girls and women in the audience at MCR concerts that puts male rock fans off and prevents them from listening to their music and going to their shows and make the band members look like 'faggots'. Yeah, right!
It was a Leathermouth gig, Lynn, not MCR.
I know. I'm just saying that he didn't want all of MCR fans to jump on the band wagon, but they obviously did. Do you honestly think all of the females in the crowd would have came to listen to Leathermouth if Frank was not in the band?
^ Lynn
I remember years ago, maybe in the Revege era, where Gerard was asked in an interview about making out on stage with his band members. I believe he said something to the effect of he didn't want homophobic assholes in the audience or buying their stuff, so it was to "challenge" them or something. And don't forget all his on stage rantings about "if you're homophobic, racist, sexist, etc. don't buy our merch, don't come to our shows" etc.
Funny how now with their new spiel in interviews, it sounds like they're trying to attract the exact kind of people they originally wanted to repel.
Spiel? I have to look that up.
Okay. Nevermind.
i was thinking about that earlier. about the making out thing. it pretty much stopped when tbp came out. maybe they thought their ripping off of bowie, queen etc. would attract male fans so didnt want to do the stage gay anymore.
As I remember it the most prominent instance of Gerard and Frank kissing occurred on the Projekt Revolution tour...
I believe he said something to the effect of he didn't want homophobic assholes in the audience or buying their stuff, so it was to "challenge" them or something.
That's funny, that's the same reasoning Kurt Cobain gave about why he kissed his bandmates during his band's appearance on Saturday Night Live.
Gerard seems to have patterned quite a bit of his sales pitch after Kurt's.
"Patterned?" He lifted that spiel word for frigging word off Kurt Cobain. Seriously, word for word.
Like he lifted just about everything else he ever did in his entire life.
one of the only things i do believe he did was be peter pan in the school play. just seems very gerard.
Off topic but back when Courtney lost custody of Frances there was a quote from Courtney that was something like "the people around her are bad influences". I wonder if she's referring to the MCR and MSI people?
one of the only things i do believe he did was be peter pan in the school play. just seems very gerard.
LMAO!
I remember years ago, maybe in the Revege era, where Gerard was asked in an interview about making out on stage with his band members. I believe he said something to the effect of he didn't want homophobic assholes in the audience or buying their stuff, so it was to "challenge" them or something. And don't forget all his on stage rantings about "if you're homophobic, racist, sexist, etc. don't buy our merch, don't come to our shows" etc.
Funny how now with their new spiel in interviews, it sounds like they're trying to attract the exact kind of people they originally wanted to repel.
I suppose when you're a new band in a sea of other new bands what differentiates you from others is not just the ability to sound good, it's image: something that makes you stand out from the pack. It's a selling tool.
Their nice little facade suited them on the way to success, but appears to have trapped them in ways they never would have conceived.
It's obvious they are trying to sell themselves to a new audience to continue the brand. It's all about the money. Always has been, always will be.
The only time when it wasn't about money was when they had none. Once they got a taste of it there was no turning back. But then I suppose that's how it goes with all bands.
Yeah, that why many bands end up being "owned" by money.
The only time when it wasn't about money was when they had none. Once they got a taste of it there was no turning back. But then I suppose that's how it goes with all bands.
If you've the mindset of the labels, and allowed money to define your sense of worth and standing in this world, well I suppose you're right.
^If you've adopted the mindset
that seems to be true in mcr's case.
Glad it's them and not me.
Happy New Year's!!
Kapunua said...
There is a big difference between domestic violence and a bar brawl.
Violence is violence.
Orly? You must have been really pissed when jared leto punched a woman in the face with a microphone.
It's so wrong for Frank to tweet about something he was not directly involved in but it's ok for Jared Leto to hit a woman?
Violence it violence.
Must be those piercing blue eyes that makes it ok for JL to hit and abuse women.
Where was all your feminists outrage then?
I saw Siobhan's outrage. Where was yours Kapunua, VV and anons?
Hypocrites much?
Why don't you sign in, Wendy / Mya.
Also proof please. I listen to 30-stm and I read tabs as much as anyone and I never heard anything about that. I did read about him swinging his mike at a guy who grabbed his shit though.
Hypocrites much?
Generalisation, much?
See, it's a little difficult to be outraged over something when you weren't even aware that it occured. I know little about Jared Leto.
You know Jared's gay right?
LMAo I remember him hitting someone with the mic but it wasn't a woman, it was a bouncer at the guard rail.
Also very much agreeing that this is Wendy. I remember her at Mayo's always anoning at Kapu about how 30 sucked and always looking for dirt. She got on her ass about 30-stm and about going to Japan even because they hunt whales there or some shit like that.
Trust me this has nothing to do with 30 or feminism. This is Wendy probably drunk again acting out her anger towards one person here. After all it is New Years Eve.
Mehh 30 Secs kind of sucks. I don't like their music and I think Jared Leto is an arrogant douche.
But yeh, Wendy.
See, now I thought Mya.
To be honest I get them confused.
I am not Mya OR Wendy or the first anon.
But what about all the VIOLENCE that Kapunua takes out herself? How many times do we have to read about her fighting? Getting into "matches", punching, kicking..... and the sick pleasure she seems to gain from it.
Hmmm? It's OK when she does it?
And before anyone says anything, I am not Wendy OR Mya.
I guess her punching people is like Jared Leto punching people. It's fine when its them.
leto is a huge douche and she's the bitch of the decade and a big hypocrite anyway.
LOL here's an easy way to tell them apart. Mya is the stalky Christian one. Wendy is the drunk.
Oh but her and Jared are VICTIMS don't you know. They only act in self defense.
LOL, okay then troll.
By the way, merely changing the name of your journal does NOT "hide" you. Stupid.
I am not Mya OR Wendy or the first anon.
But what about all the VIOLENCE that Kapunua takes out herself? How many times do we have to read about her fighting? Getting into "matches", punching, kicking..... and the sick pleasure she seems to gain from it.
Hmmm? It's OK when she does it?
And before anyone says anything, I am not Wendy OR Mya.
Whoever you are you read like a complete moron.
"leto is a huge douche and she's the bitch of the decade and a big hypocrite anyway."
How old are you sweetie?
Hey, anon, you tried this with me a while back, remember? You posted that video, and when I told you what I'm about to tell you again, you tried telling me that he was a pedo. When that didn't work--because it's retarded--you got on my case about China. I told you that if I wanted to boycott every country that had tortured detainees and erased human rights, I'd have to leave America, too.
And then, of course, all kinds of hell broke loose.
As far as Leto goes, I obviously don't know why he would hit someone (I think it's funny that you come in here screaming "OMG WOMAN!" when you A) don't know and B) don't care anyway,) but I was wrong in saying "violence is violence." On that you're right. And yes, I fight, too. Let me put it to you this way: If, say for instance, that evil asshead at the dump where I used to work had put his hand on me instead of on my friend, I would have smoked him. And maybe broken his hand in the deal as well, and then he'd be thinking twice about touching anyone again, ever.
If someone did inappropriately touch him, I'm not sure that would be the best response, but it might be the only one on a person's mind. And I have always, always maintained that anyone should be allowed to go anywhere in any situation, in any clothing, without another person touching them inappropriately. I don't care if you're a a rock star in the audience or stripper doing a lap-dance, the rule is "hands off." The word is "consent." OTOH, if you are the kind of person who freely admits to thinking it's "cool" when fans cop a feel on you when you're crowd surfing (and have the bad taste to add that it's "cool" when they're 14 years old and copping a feel on you,) then hey, that's consent.
Besides, I've seen their show, I've seen how people treat him, I've seen him get grabbed and groped and verbally harassed and even threatened, and it's quite gross. So experience tells me that something like that must have gone on.
I gave Gerard Way the benefit of the doubt when he started acting like a douchbag, for way too long. I questioned along with everyone else if he was all right. I gave Frank Iero the benefit of the doubt for years. I'm giving it to Leto, too.
But gosh, you're right, "anon." He really does have vivid blue eyes, doesn't he? ^_^ At least that's one place where you're perceptive.
And by the way, you obviously have no understanding of martial arts. Sparring is violent in nature, true, but it is a sporting event. It is (usually, ideally) done with good will and without the intention to actually hurt or incapacitate another person. But, you wouldn't know anything about sportsmanship I guess.
I just waded through that horrible quagmire of comments on lj's tothetune and now I feel sick.
To imagine that a young girl would say that members of her own family had "been forced to self-abort" and they "make jokes about it" so therefore it's perfectly fine for Frank to make abortion jokes -- it's like these kids have been brainwashed. And the girl who mocked the victim of harassment at the workplace -- do these young girls not realize that the only hope women have for equality comes from the workplace? If women can't go out there and make a living they will forever be dependent on men and forever be second class citizens. How can they be so blind?
Perhaps one day they will be out there in the real world (not the make-believe one of Prince Charming rock stars who will whisk them away on a jet airplane) and they will understand what it is really like to be a woman in today's world.
I do read your journal, Kapu, not in a stalkery way but because I like it. I'm glad your LJ didn't disappear and I loved your ten year wrap up. Lady, you are awesome. Like who you like, think what you think and don't let the jerks get you down.
Especially when you know who they are. ;-D
Happy new year to EVERYONE HERE!!!!
I also want to say..... People of VeritaVenom blogspot, you RULE. Keep on trucking because you all live with eyes open. I love you guys!
And the girl who mocked the victim of harassment at the workplace -- do these young girls not realize that the only hope women have for equality comes from the workplace? If women can't go out there and make a living they will forever be dependent on men and forever be second class citizens. How can they be so blind?
It's more complex than this. People trapped in minimum pay jobs aren't really that independent and carry a double load in most cases. I believe real equality starts at ground root level: in the relationships between men and women, and how parents model this to their children. For this is how expectations and attitudes develop for most.
Frank is reflecting the common stereotypical attitude that permeates his background. I think they developed a large female following as they used to openly reject the sexist values that are prevalent from where they come from and the industry they work in. Frank has shown he is no different than the stereotype. Especially when he thinks it's a joke.
shows that you can never truly escape your past
It's nothing to do with escaping your past: it's believing you are more than the sum of it and reconciling it with your future.
lynzway
my new years resolution is to change my clothes more often.
I seriously don't get why she and Gerard are so proud that they have horrible hygiene. Is it an inside joke or something, because at this point it's just ridiculous.
Maybe he married a female version of himself.
Talentless, smelly, culturally irrelevant......yup, sounds like a match.
Off topic but back when Courtney lost custody of Frances there was a quote from Courtney that was something like "the people around her are bad influences". I wonder if she's referring to the MCR and MSI people?
I remember thinking the same thing. Interesting. Could be...
maybe even mcr amd msi know that clove is a headcase and wanted frances to get away from her? from reading chantal's tweets it looks like frances is in california for now. so now they have their rock royalty close at hand, and don't have to deal with courtney's crazy ass. a win win for them.
Wherever Frances is now, won't be a long-term situation since she's graduating school this spring.
It'll be interesting to see what college she gets into, assuming she's going.
Apparently Courtney said something like "I'll teach at Bard before she gets in." (Referring to Bard College in New York)
Huh. What a warm and caring mother she is.
Not.
dead blog is dead
He didn't marry a female version of himself, he settled for the next best thing.
Bandit Way in 17 years?
BRAT!
I get the feeling that her BFF's probably enocurage this behaviour from her because they're in no posistion to do it themselves. I can really see Chantel and Alicia telling Frances to drop her name to give them access to bigger and better things.
I really think Chantal, Alicia, MCR and MSI are the bad influences CLove was rambling about. Afterall, Frances went straight back to Cali (was with the Ways for Christmas/New Years because she got Lindsey's stomach bug) and started hanging out with them like she'd never been away. People above me have already pointed out what a bit of poison Alicia is. If she's leeching of Mikey then she probably doing to Frances too.
Oh my God! This woman is an idiot. She changes her back story more than Gerard does. In one interview she didn't know what a "tab" was when she auditioned and in this, she was jamming with friends before MSI.
Lyn-Z Interview (New)
Credit for interview goes to Kylie, http://www.myspace.com/prettygood4agirl
Q - When did you join MSI? You had no background in music, right? I know you’ve said before that you didn’t even know what tablature was. How scary was it, jumping right into a touring band?
A- I joined MSI in 2001. Prior, I had no formal training but I owned a bass and played with friends. It was very scary, jumping right in like that, but more than anything it was exciting. I had never even been on an airplane before and suddenly I was flying to Vegas to perform in front of thousands of people. A lot of it was not knowing what I was getting myself into, but mostly I was hungry for an adventure. I also felt like I had nothing to lose and if I failed miserably at the very least I would have a great story to tell my friends. I think that was the key, that I didn’t care if I failed miserably.
Q - How long did it take you to start to feel comfortable playing the bass? Was there anything in particular that helped you to feel more comfortable with it sooner?
A - I was in the band touring constantly for years before I owned being a bass player. I will say that although I didn’t really know how to play before MSI, when the opportunity presented itself I committed myself to learning and practiced morning, noon, and night. I’ve never understood the mentality that complicated equals good. My favorite bass lines have always been the simplest ones and if I were to make a list of all my favorite songs none of them contain some crazy bass line only Les Claypool could master. In fact they are probably so simple I could teach you how to play them in an hour. I would rather be Dee Dee Ramone than Flea.
Q - What kind of gear do you use?
A - I’ve fallen in love with my Fender Aerodyne. It’s such a sexy instrument and the neck is thinner than most basses which is great for my small hands. As for gear, I’m not attached to anything other than my bass. Plug me into anything and I will make it work.
Q - It seems like talking about sexism in the music scene or acknowledging the fact that one is a specifically female musician, as opposed to just a musician, is passe. Do you think it’s still an important distinction to make? Do you think "female musician" is still an important identity? In what ways?
A - I can only say what my experience has been and the truth is that from the moment I started listening to music, going to shows and playing in a band I have been painfully aware of the lack of female musicians out there. Rock and roll is a giant sausage party. Pick up any music magazine and count how many women you see represented if you don’t believe me. I have been a touring musician for 8 years and in that time I can count on maybe two hands the number of women I have encountered in other bands. 3 hands if you include singers. Am I the only one who thinks there is something seriously wrong with that? I’m actually looking forward to the day when having a girl in your band no longer matters because frankly I don’t think it does. Making a big fuss out of it it feels like wearing a t shirt that says "chicks rule". I hate that shit. It’s such an obvious statement that wearing it makes me think that you’re trying to convince me that it’s true. That being said I still have no clue why there are so few of us and talking about sexism in the music scene will only be truly passe when that is no longer a fact. Even if you hate our band or hate us individually, somewhere in the back of your brain Kitty and I have made being a woman in music seem a little less unusual and perhaps opened the door to thinking it’s something you could do too. That is something I am most proud of. The more women see other women in bands the more women will be in bands. I think that’s the only way things will change.
Q - How does being a girl affect your life as a touring musician? What kind of shit do you get and from where?
A - One obvious way is that when you get pregnant you have to stop... Other than that the only thing that can be a bummer is the occasional neanderthal you have to deal with behind the scenes. Kitty and I have been stopped from going backstage after having just played. I’m talking sweat running down your face and bass pick and drum stick in hand because the security guard can’t comprehend that we are in the band and not a groupie. We wanted to make t shirts that said "I’m not fucking the bass player, I’m the fucking bass player" still think it’s a good idea. Festivals are the worst because you are dealing with multiple bands and all of their crew. I have a lot of amazing, beautiful and intelligent people in my life so when someone behaves like a fucking hillbilly I’m always shocked. I’ve had crew guys from other bands say shit to me that they would never say to another man because they would get their nose broken. Joke’s on them though, MSI isn’t going anywhere and neither are all the friends I have in other bands. Who do these people think they are going to work for if they are a known asshole?
Q - Does having another girl in your band make it any easier?
A - Oh god yes. Who better to understand your point of view or borrow a tampon from? Vaginas aside though, I am just really blessed to have Kitty around. She’s an amazing person who I’ve learned a great deal from.
Q - Do you ever get uncomfortable with some of the stuff Jimmy sings, says, or does onstage? I know it’s all meant to be tongue-in-cheek and deliberately provocative and funny, but I still get a little weirded out sometimes listening to MSI’s lyrics.
A - Ya know, I don’t. Sometimes I wonder if it’s because I know him personally, making it easy to differentiate between social commentary, irony, silliness and the plain old fucking truth. I think it has more to do with my taste in general though. I love Bill Hicks and Sarah Silverman and Sacha Baron Cohen. I like it when people make me a little uncomfortable and make me think "holy shit, I can’t believe what I’m hearing." The same people who want to crucify MSI for the lyrics in "Panty Shot" probably laughed their asses off during Borat and probably sing out loud to "Last Caress" by The Misfits. "I got something to say, I killed your baby today and it doesn’t matter much to me as long as it’s dead." "I got something to say, I raped your mother today and it doesn’t matter much to me as long as she's spread..." That’s a classic song. The entire point of "Panty Shot" is to force people to examine the fact that somehow they think things like the racism in Borat or the extreme violence in "Last Caress" is acceptable. Why can you laugh at racism and sing along to killing a baby and raping someone’s mother but get offended by a song written from the perspective of a pedophile? It’s interesting where people draw lines for themselves. I do it too. Everyone does. Funny that I’m totally ok with all things MSI but offended by watching most hip-hop videos. God bless the first amendment.
Q - I don’t want this to be one of those interviews, but I did want to talk about your marriage to Gerard, at least in terms of the way it’s often used to dismiss you as a female musician - referring to you as ‘Mrs. Way’ in articles about your own band and career. Do people do that kind of shit in person? How do you react to it when it happens, either in print or in person?
A - When I said in an interview with Kerrang that I didn’t want to be referred to as Mrs. Gerard Way I was pretty amazed at the negative responses that statement generated. People thought that I was being arrogant and that being his wife was an honor that I didn’t even deserve so how dare I not want that title. They thought it was somehow a reflection on my feelings for my husband and they were put off by the fact that he was so vocal about his feelings for me and here I was not even wanting to be known as his wife. I felt like my intentions were pretty obvious but the point I was trying to make was for the most part lost. The fact is, Mindless has been around longer than most bands and that we have had a solid and loyal fan base for a decade, independent of my marriage. As a band we were all very proud of our accomplishments and of all the hard work and sacrifices we had made to make our project a success. As a band it was also always very important to us that we be represented as a band, as four distinct personalities that could not necessarily exist without the sum of all four parts. When I got married suddenly magazines stopped even putting the name of our band in print. It was "Mrs. Gerard Way and co. play blah blah blah..." not only did it strip away my identity but it robbed my entire band of theirs and completely dismissed all the strides we had made together. I also felt like it sent a disgusting message that no matter what you do with your life at the end of the day you will merely be someone’s wife. It’s a massive insult and anyone who can’t comprehend that is a moron. People often ask me "well, what did you expect?" I don’t know, to be judged on my own merits, good or bad? For my band to get the respect that it deserves? Call me crazy and fuck human nature but I don’t care if it’s natural for the world to react that way when you marry someone more successful than you. It’s still wrong.
Q - You’re so physically fearless onstage. Where does that come from? Do you just "get in a zone" or is it an extension of who you are offstage?
A - It goes back to creating something that didn’t exist in my world that I wanted badly. I went to punk rock shows a lot when I was a kid and I was particularly drawn to the uninhibited and fearless performers on stage. I loved the complete disregard for their own well being, like they were above injury and invincible. Mostly I wanted to see a girl on stage doing all those things. Getting dirty and not caring if her make-up got smeared. So when I joined Mindless it was a priority for me to do that. It’s hilarious because if you ask anyone in my band they will tell you that off-stage I am the most uncoordinated person they have ever met. I trip and fall constantly and I would say I’m generally pretty shy and awkward. Everything changes when you step on stage. It’s pretty magical.
Q - How does being a girl in the art world compare to being a girl in the music world?
A - You are judged on your work and your physical appearance matters not.
Q - Are your visual art and your music related at all? Do they enhance each other or play off each other in any way?
A - They are very separate. My art work is personal and more about my head and my heart. Music for me is more physical. It’s about getting to be a super hero for an hour. It’s about getting out my aggression and doing things I would never attempt in my normal life.
Q - Who are your top five or ten female bands/musicians?
A - Dolly Parton, Aretha Franklin, Joan Jett, Bjork, PJ Harvey, Bikini Kill, Kim Gordon. I know I’m forgetting a handful.
Q - What about your top five or ten favorite female visual artists?
A - Frida Kahlo is my absolute favorite.
Q - Who are your biggest influences and inspirations, as an artist and as a performer?
A - Frida Kahlo, Paul Gauguin, Ralph Steadman, Georges Melies, Winsor McCay. Jesus, I could go on and on. As a performer I would say anyone who can dance, anyone that’s a little weird, anyone that isn’t afraid to fall down...
Q - Is there anything you really hope to do in the future, whether as an artist, a musician, or just as a person?
A - As an artist, my biggest dream is to have my own gallery showing and a book of my work published. As a musician, I look forward to the day where Mindless is recognized for being as innovative and original as it really is. As a person I just want to be a little better everyday.
Q - What are you most excited about about being a parent?
A - I grew up never meeting my father so to be able to have a child with such an amazing, funny, thoughtful and beautiful person and to know that this kid is going to have him as a dad is the best feeling in the world. I never knew what real love was until I met Gerard and now I get to love two people that much. It’s overwhelming in the best way possible.
Q - Rumor has it you were once in a punk Dolly Parton cover band - true or false? (If false, I am totally starting one!)
A - True! Beg Yer Parton was the name and it was very fun and very short lived. Did I mention bad? We were terrible, I think you should start your own punk rock Dolly cover band and do the woman some justice.
Q - Finally, what advice do you have for girls who want to be in a band?
A - Start your band already. Come up with a good name, beg, borrow or steal an instrument and you are literally half way there. Fuck fear and fuck feeling inadequate. There are two kinds of people out there - the people who are putting themselves out there and then there are the people who are commenting on what those people are doing. Who would you rather be? Even if you think I’m full of total shit know that if I can have a career in music you can too.
This was posted on Perez Hilton.
Courtney Love reportedly posted two incoherent and angry rants on her Facebook page about recently losing custody of her 17-year-old daughter Frances Bean Cobain, even making snide comments ABOUT her daughter:
"who knows what claims theyll make butthe fact is fbc is deluded she thinks she has all this money the point is i have all the money she has… a small amount of in utero, thats it, she doesnt get 37% of all the estate only 37% of in utero, name and likeness were decided by them against cos the less they could give her the mopre they could steal theyre so greedy theyd steal not even 15 million from a child, its riduclous using god knows what, i dont care really i hate to spund cold but any kid of mine who pulls this shit has lost her position and friends in nyc they will pretend to like her, but ill go teach at bard before she gets in,she was deceptive she lied and shes lying to herself, she sits on her facebook adding yet more books and films and frankly the whole thing disgusts my daihgter is not always honest and ive alliwed her to visit with these assholes i support to the tune of houses horses and monthly annuities and cars, well the good news is now that frances is clearly deluded that she can buy her grandmaother a "small house in la" id love to see how that works.theyll incubate her til shes 18 and then have her sign all the indnemofications, theres a catch, she already had counsel long before the 11th. LONG before the 11th.
"dont worry frances is a wonderful kid shes gotbadd people around her and wants it both ways, her aunt brieanne who isnt kurts sister is a black hole, look ask charlie cross or don cobain whart a disaster the drunk as fuck nasty assed brieanne is,ask kelly osbourne, well im going out with ms palmer and ms kirke and frances have fun on your covers of the tabs, thats what your wonder bread side likes, you couldve asked for emanicaption youc ouldve gone to simons rock, but you have to get involved with that terrifying not to me, to you witch who keeps britney spars in jail? thats insane. you realie this will put you in juvenoile fami;y circus three times in your little life? this is what along with his mother killed your father, i think im selling a house today, not in the mood to supportthese assholes anymore. i have shit to do, i love you and always will unconditionally."
Yikes!
We DEFINITELY think Frances made a wise choice by going to live with her grandmother.
I can't even read this entire retarded nd bass-ackwards (pun more or less intended) morinic "interview." She's so goddamn stupid it actually hurts my mind.
Funny that I’m totally ok with all things MSI but offended by watching most hip-hop videos.
No, ass, it's not "funny," it's just you realizing that people called you out on your hypocrisy and trying to backtrack like whoa.
God damn what a nincompoop. And worse, what a total poseur and fake.
For my band to get the respect that it deserves?
LMFAO. Fool. Your band gets the "respect it deserves" here.
The Lindsey interview would read as pretty good, if you weren't one of the people that has witnessed the shit that has gone on. It's really embarrassing. How long has she had to think of these answers off the back of critism?
As for Frances, personally I really feel sorry for her, she is just a kid.
*criticism
rushing
I feel sorry for Frances, too. Growing up with Courtney Loathe who clearly cannot even string words together and has the emotional capacity of a brain-damaged tick could not have been a life of joy.
Lindsey is a moron. It's obvious her friends and husband help her with the responses to the questions which were most likely given to her. No matter how she tries to improve her image she is still a brainless twit.
In fact they are probably so simple I could teach you how to play them in an hour. I would rather be Dee Dee Ramone than Flea.
Way to make the best of your situation here, too. Once again we see the "Well I know I can't play, but that's awesome because I love not being able to play! It's what I want to do! I can only plonk a note or two, but I actually hate talent, so it all works out!"
Secondly, Dee Dee Ramone was a bad example for her to use, as he wasn't a retard or a sellout. Did she seriously just compare herself to him? I think she just fried my logic circuits.
There are two kinds of people out there - the people who are putting themselves out there and then there are the people who are commenting on what those people are doing.
Yes Lindsey, the talentless people who expect others to kiss their ass and recognize they are crap ( good example MSI ). That's why they comment on what those people are doing.
"Funny that I’m totally ok with all things MSI but offended by watching most hip-hop videos. God bless the first amendment.
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Funny how you can make excuses for your own bad taste but still have the nerve to get on people's case for their own.
"Fuck fear and fuck feeling inadequate."
And then fuck a big name rock star.
So this idiot knows about real love cos she met GW, but plays music about pedophiles, bitches and whores on their knees? Imbecile.
As a person I just want to be a little better everyday.
Bet her husband told her to say that.
I had to copy some of ya'll comments over there, hope you guy's don't mind. :-) They were all too good!
They are very separate. My art work is personal and more about my head and my heart. Music for me is more physical. It’s about getting to be a super hero for an hour. It’s about getting out my aggression and doing things I would never attempt in my normal life.
Super hero? Oh yeah, the husband has coached her.
Um, this interview was not given by Lindsey.
Where are the thousands of thousands 'likes' in that interview?
Can't be her. I bet Gerard put his wig on, used his wifey's red lipstick and dressed up in his favorite school girl uniform to do that interview for her. Also, the stench of his arm pits fogged the eyeballs of the interviewer so that s/he couldn't see any difference.
No only is she a moron, but a delusional moron as well.
"Fuck fear and fuck feeling inadequate."
And then fuck a big name rock star.
The biggest joke is that "big name rock star" fucks her too. Ewwwwwwwwww!!
I think she just fried my logic circuits.
I think she does that to all of us!
I could pick this interview to pieces! Only time to do part of it justice.....
I was in the band touring constantly for years before I owned being a bass player
She never owned.
It’s such a sexy instrument and the neck is thinner than most basses which is great for my small hands. As for gear, I’m not attached to anything other than my bass. Plug me into anything and I will make it work.
Oh my! Firstly she has large hands, secondly, she talks fucking shit.
One obvious way is that when you get pregnant you have to stop...
Indeed. Well done Mrs Way.
The same people who want to crucify MSI for the lyrics in "Panty Shot" probably laughed their asses off during Borat and probably sing out loud to "Last Caress" by The Misfits.
Well prompted Gerald! This is so laughable.
They thought it was somehow a reflection on my feelings for my husband and they were put off by the fact that he was so vocal about his feelings for me and here I was not even wanting to be known as his wife.
Just beautiful, diss the husband when necessary.
"Mrs. Gerard Way and co. play blah blah blah..." not only did it strip away my identity but it robbed my entire band of theirs and completely dismissed all the strides we had made together.
Laughing so very hard right now.
I grew up never meeting my father so to be able to have a child with such an amazing, funny, thoughtful and beautiful person and to know that this kid is going to have him as a dad is the best feeling in the world. I never knew what real love was until I met Gerard and now I get to love two people that much. It’s overwhelming in the best way possible.
I hope that bit is true, I'm not such a bitch that I don't wish the best for Susan.
When I got married suddenly magazines stopped even putting the name of our band in print. It was "Mrs. Gerard Way and co. play blah blah blah..." not only did it strip away my identity but it robbed my entire band of theirs and completely dismissed all the strides we had made together. I also felt like it sent a disgusting message that no matter what you do with your life at the end of the day you will merely be someone’s wife. It’s a massive insult and anyone who can’t comprehend that is a moron. People often ask me "well, what did you expect?" I don’t know, to be judged on my own merits, good or bad? For my band to get the respect that it deserves? Call me crazy and fuck human nature but I don’t care if it’s natural for the world to react that way when you marry someone more successful than you. It’s still wrong.
Wouldn't you love to say this to her? Lindsey please. This is exactly what you wanted, your crappy band received minute publicity until your marriage to your "real love". Everyone saw right through you and your talentless ass. Your band's "identity" wasn't stripped, they are still as crappy as they were before you married your "real love".
anyone who can’t comprehend that is a moron.
Yeah, she's in no place to call others a "moron."
I have been a touring musician for 8 years
Just because I hate people who exaggerate, it was 7 years Lyn-Z remember, cos you got conveniently knocked up. She may have picked that trait up off of GW, as he is the best exaggerator around.
How can she say that the band is around for more than 10 years and yet hardly anybody knows about them and still call MSI successful? If you haven't made it to mainstream yet you're nothing but a big fucking failure.
And what does she mean with being innovative? Is she insane? Ripping off NIN and every other industrial metal band out there is innovative?
Can't be her. I bet Gerard put his wig on, used his wifey's red lipstick and dressed up in his favorite school girl uniform to do that interview for her.
LOL! I actually think this is true, even if it was over the phone!
Even if GW helped her with this response about Panty Shot, it shows they are both hare-brained. There is absolutely nothing to think about in pedophilia apart from how to stop future occurrences. Why do you want to know what goes on in the mind of a pedophile let alone sing and dance to it in the name of "art". It is a horrific sex crime, the perpetrators are ill, and it effects the lives of the victims and families. She doesn't know the meaning of irony. Stupid, stupid fool.
She doesn't know the meaning of irony. Stupid, stupid fool.
Nor does Jimmy Piss, although he thinks he does. There is no excuse in my opinion.
I guessing her friend Charlie reads this blog. She is dingbat's friend. The responses are being copied onto her friend Crizz's buzznet page.
Well, someone obviously tells her what people think about her from various sites/forums. I think she addressed everything everyone have ever critised about her in one interview. She's had all that time to think about and she still fails to tell her story straight and intelligently.
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What a moron. She needs her little fans as spies.
Hello Crizz and Charlie. If you want to report to your high priestess, go right ahead. What a joke.
Who did that interview with her? Brigitte from TasteitTV again? Sounds like it. Just saying.
I'm just wondering why she only brings up 'panty shot'? As far as I know she wasn't even in the band when they released the cd the song was on and they also stopped to play that song live a while ago. There are other songs she could have mentioned.
It's always the same with people who only want to release their inner racist, sexist, homophobe by calling it art or 'creating another persona/alter ego for the stage' to not having to deal with the people they're discriminating against.
It's so ridiculous that she's talking about hip-hop videos. How many of those 'artists' claim that they're actually not singing about themselves and their own point of view but that they're merely playing a character? I would say most of them claim that in interviews.
It's not me who's calling gay people faggots, it's the character I'm playing. It's not me calling women bitches and hos, it's the character I'm playing.
So, basically she's saying that we are too stupid that we can't distinguish art/satire/sarcasm/whatever-the-fuck from real life opinions but in the same sentence she admits that she can't do it herself?
While you're at it, tell Gerard he's stupid too.
Who are Charlie and Crizz? What are they doing?
Isn't Crizz the MSI fangirl that revealed the real Kat?
No I am posting the responses because I think they are GREAT responses, especially Sioban and Kap and some other various anons.
I had no idea that was her friend's page but if it is, LOL that's even better.
Sure.
Charlie is the proud owner of Lynzway's banana picture.
Funny how all the comments have been deleted.
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