Which is worse?
Gerard and Lindsey posing (embarrassingly badly) as JFK and Jackie O, with Gerard looking like, as someone once said "a druggie nodding off in someone's car" and Lindsey looking petulant and bored.... and otherwise totally blank? In an attempt to try to be "edgy" and apparently to sell Gerard's book they pulled this stunt and told people "suck it, it's art". I wonder if they would feel as "edgy" about "art" if it was someone making fun of one of their tragedies? Say someone posing as Gerard's deceased grandmother. (Oh wait, they already exploited that in Helena)...
OR, Frank Iero who always spoke out against hate speech, using the word "n*gga" and defending it. "In practice, its use and meaning are heavily dependent on context.[1] Presently, the word n*gga is used more liberally among younger members of all races and ethnicities in the United States, although its use by persons not of African descent is still widely viewed as unacceptable and hostile, even when used without intentional prejudice." Just think of the outcry when Eliza said that word? But you can bet the same people who turned against her will think Frank is just "being funny".
It's a shame because even for a while after Gerard turned into a walking douche bag I still personally thought maybe Frank wasn't one.
Oh well, I guess the whole band is pretty similar.
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I totally agree about Frank. To think, at one time so many of us were holding out hope that he might be able to talk some "sense" into Gerard.
Turns out, he's just as much of a douchebag as Gerard.
And now Frank has taken to calling people who disagree with him "annoying simpletons".
Did he change or were we completely fooled about him too? This is kind of heartbreaking. :[
I'm obviously not codoning his language or behavior towards fans but I think "annoying simpletons" was sarcastic.
I don't think it was sarcastic, considering that he said it to the same girl who called him out on being racist.
All she said was something to the effect of asking him if racism was genius. Then he made the comment about how it was okay to use the word with an A on the end of it.
She must have said something back to him, but I don't know what it was. She's since made her twitter private.
He called her a simpleton and blocked her. I think that was being mean. Is it a crime to even disagree with them now?
I had no idea about the blocking. Wow, that's really pathetic on his part. And she probably had to private her account because of all the MCR drones attacking her. Sometimes this whole thing makes me so angry. Grown men using teen girls to do their bidding is sad, wrong, and creepy.
It's so hard for me to see Frank as a douche because he has always been so incredibly nice to me when I've met him. He hung out with us for an hour after the Leathermouth show and seemed so happy. I have the distinct feeling that he's just incredibly unhappy with MCR now and the horrid music they are making. I think once contractual obligations are finished he'll be the first to leave the band.
It seems to me like the band is trying to recreate itself by shedding its nice guy image. I know this has been said before about Gerard, but now Frank is doing it too.
I don't understand what they hope to gain. It's not like guys are reading their tweets and will think they're cool for being mean to fangirls. They're just hurting peoples' feelings for no reason.
Why are they trying to turn into MSI, who make a habit of insulting fans? It's not like MSI has ever had any real popularity to speak of. Besides, Gerard is no Jimmy Urine. At least Jimmy has the look and timing of a comedian, so his shtick kind of works for him. It ain't gonna work for Gerard. Or Frank because his humor is too dark and difficult to read. The fangirls won't know whether he's serious or not.
9:04, but the mark of a good person is to not take out your own frustration on other people.
The mark of a dick is the guy who does just that.
Trust me people all over the world have it worse than Frank Iero and they don't go around acting mean and awful.
It's so hard for me to see Frank as a douche because he has always been so incredibly nice to me when I've met him. He hung out with us for an hour after the Leathermouth show and seemed so happy. I have the distinct feeling that he's just incredibly unhappy with MCR now and the horrid music they are making. I think once contractual obligations are finished he'll be the first to leave the band.
Let hope you're right about him. I personally feel he may be acting this way as a form of defending stoopid who maybe they believe won't be singled out as much if they all behave that way. On the other hand I could be wrong.
9:23 the mark of a mature person is one who reasonably controls their frustrations and does not dump it on others, no matter how much they irritate you.
Poor, poor MCR. Life is just sooo tough and unfair for them.
Regardless of what Frank is "going through" it doesn't give him the right to take it out on fans.
I am offended by the word he used. I have black friends who say it is never okay for a white person to say that word, no matter what the context. I respect that.
Obviously, Frank doesn't care about anyone's feelings but his own. I don't care how nice he used to be.
If ya ask me, Frank's starting to sound like a little whiny bitch. Next he'll tell someone to "suck it".
Likewise, I have black friends who object to the word ending with er but have no problems with the word ending on a.
Is this a blog about MCR or Douches R Us?
My black friends are fine with the word so long as another black person says it, but they don't accept it when a white person does. It can be rather confusing, but surely Frank has experienced that.
Regardless, he should know better. The word's origins are enough to keep me from using it (and yes, I know it comes from the word niger, but that's not what I'm talking about, so how about not bringing that up -- I'm talking about it's racial connotations). He has to know the controversy that came up when Eliza used it. Maybe he's trying to stir shit up.
On the last post people were talking about the website only allowing certain members of the MCRmy to join as of now, I'm not so sure it's an experiment to test out the site. I think it's more a marketing research tool to find out how many of the old fans are still around. They also might think they can get some of the old fans back by making them feel 'special'.
Don't think they want the old fans. They are in the process of metamorphosis; the MSI-ing of MCR.
From where I'm standing, it looks to me like they don't want any fans at all. Their mission is to try and offend pretty much everyone.
Oh well, Voluptuosity will never leave them.
Yeah, well, she's not a fan, she's a puppet.
V and 147 MSI fans. Should give GW orgasmic spasms.
Good description of a lot of MCR fans 5:26. And MSI ones too.
Did someone take a screenshot of Frank's 'nigga' tweet? I can't find it. I think someone should send his tweet to a few black celebrities and find out what they think about a white midget using the word and thinking that he can get away with it by using the 'a' instead of the 'er'.
Or maybe to their rapping pals.
I dont think they have african american friends,except for gerard with levar burton, but since levar is a celeb, that doesn't count.
I don't think the people in rap music give them a second thought. Kind of like the rest of the music community. If a band or musical artist isn't on Warner, they probably don't even acknowledge their existence.
yeah, because mcr is the "annoying simpletons" in music industry.
MCR is "mall goth" rock. Something to be laughed at, not taken seriously.
They might as well abuse their fans. Nobody else has any respect for them so why should they?
Well, I can't find it anymore, so he must have deleted it. Spineless piece of shit! If he thinks that it isn't racist because of the 'a' as a suffix (I'm actually astounded that he knows that word) why did he delete it then?
MCR is the embodiment of people who never deserved to become successful and famous.
Their abuse of power is disgusting.
look closer sherlock, he did not delete it.
tsk!
http://twitter.com/Franklero/status/3586119893
He RTed something his friend said.
Twitter isn't going so well for them, all the way back to Bob's 'art'. I know they must get lots of stupid messages but they're not just hanging with friends when it's on the band's main page.
So, this is the tweet we are yapping about? Oh God.
Well, I learned a new lesson.
He may not have said it himself but he still chose to post it on his Twitter, which I don't see as being any better.
It's not that Frank used the term n*gga, it's that he defended it and told the girl who said it was racist that she was a simpleton and blocked her.
Besides, he had no business retweeting it, knowing that many of his fans find the word offensive.
Besides, he had no business retweeting it, knowing that many of his fans find the word offensive.
That's the thing. He and the others in the band don't care what their fans find offensive. They 'make their own rules' and they aren't going to pander to the people who are telling them to act like anything other than the Jersey trash they are.
The need to include the caption "Are Jersey Trash and Proud of It" with the changing captions that appear underneath MCR on their website.
Have you run out of quotes from Cobain's suicide note to use as titles, VV?
I seem to remember that VV said that she once thought of Gerard as having some similarities to Kurt and that was why she used the quotes.
If I'm not mistaken, at one point she realized that Gerard should not be compared to Kurt because everything Gerard had ever claimed to stand for was a lie.
I hope I'm not mis-representing you, Verita, but that is the way I understood it.
In the last year some surprising people are saying they are done with this band. These are folks that have been around comms and forums since 2004. It's even more surprising because it's not even like they're out touring and interacting with people very regularly. I think everyone wants to see what's going to happen with the next album and all but I don't think many will support it.
You really are a vindictive bunch aren't you?
You really are a vindictive bunch aren't you?
Why do you care what we are?
Don't like us? Don't like what we have to say? There's a simple answer to that. Don't come here. It's really easy. Just don't type in the web address on your computer. It's not like you just run across this place; you have to actively seek it out. So, you know. Don't.
We are whatever we want to be and we aren't going away. Deal with it.
Don't like us? Don't like what we have to say? There's a simple answer to that. Don't come here. It's really easy. Just don't type in the web address on your computer. It's not like you just run across this place; you have to actively seek it out. So, you know. Don't.
Don't like MCR? Dont like what they have to say? There's a simple answer to that. Don't go there. It's really easy. Just don't type in the web address on your computer. It's not like you just run across their blogs and tweets; you have to actively seek them out. So, you know. Don't.
We are whatever we want to be and we aren't going away. Deal with it.
MCR are whatever they want to be and they aren't going away. Deal with it.
MCR are whatever they want to be and they aren't going away.
Lol. You want to make a bet on that?
And just like Gerard, Frank is now on "blockathon."
Ok i have 45 thousand plus followers...Seems like way too many Im gonna have a blockathon.Anyone who wants a free block send somethin shity
And the fangirls are now begging him not to block them. Fucking pathetic.
Frank blocks people for no reason at all, for example this girl here.
Or he blocks them just to be an ass. Do these guys really dont care if they lose mass quantities of fans or are they so egotistical they think they'll stick around no matter how mean they are. I'm feeling sorry for this girl here
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I think they should all block Frank. Not that he'd notice, unfortunately.
A really old mcr interview
Pay attention to what Gerard said about girls he wants to date and LOL. "Real girls"?, really,Gerard?
3.35, i think what the girl said is true. They're treating their fans like trash.
Yes, and for no other apparant reason than they find it amusing.
Stop the presses!
Actual fangirls on lj calling Frank out on his "racist slur."
The apocalypse must be nigh.
Thank God for those people. I was seriously beginning to think that being an MCR fan automatically renders you brain dead.
So far I haven't seen any posts on BN about the N-word fiasco. The morons there would probably just take up for him anyway.
Off the MCR topic for just a bit. DJ AM was found dead today in his NY apartment. So sad to watch these talented people throw away their lives on drugs.
Thank God for those people. I was seriously beginning to think that being an MCR fan automatically renders you brain dead.
MSI has joint contention for the throne.
weird thing is, he just finished recording an eight-episode series for MTV about drugs addiction. =/
How badly was he injured in the plane accident he was involved in? Perhaps that was a contributing factor. Sometimes people get hooked on drugs after a traumatic incident like that or after having been on painkillers for an extended period.
Does anybody know if he had any permanent injuries?
He had a drug problem prior to becoming a big DJ. I'm sure surviving that plane crash was a contributing factor to his relapse. I can't even imagine how that fucked with his mind.
Everyone should read this article about DJ AM.
So, so sad.
RIP :(
Some people are speculating that it was survivor's guilt. I just hope it wasn't suicide. After everything he's been through...some people just can't seem to catch a break.
"MCR are whatever they want to be and they aren't going away. Deal with it."
We are, Elena. We deal with it by making fun of those assholes and laughing at their idiocy on this blog.
You lot "deal with us" by shitting about us all over at your Mayo blog. Have fun with that.
Gerard is starting to remind me of Lester Burnham
1970 Pontiac Firebird. The car I've always wanted and now I have it. I rule!
"You lot "deal with us" by shitting about us all over at your Mayo blog. Have fun with that."
Don't we do that here with the Mayo "crazies"?
well said mya.
Gonna go back and read all the comments, but what the hell? Them doing 'Helena' was supposed to be a tribute of sorts to their grandma, not a mocking. I see nothing wrong with that. What they did with JFK? That was disgusting, not 'Helena'.
And just because Frank found something funny and RT'd it people are ragging on him for it? Holy shit. He didn't use the word himself, he didn't call anyone that name and neither did the girl. She was simply saying what she'd seen someone else say. There was no hate in ANY of those three tweets. How does that make Frank a douche? I'm not their biggest fan, haven't been for a long time and some of their twitter shit pisses me off too, but I'm trying to have a little perspective here.
Does anyone know if the lyrics to the new songs are anywhere? I'd listen to the recordings to try and work them out, but I can't stand the ear bleed anymore.
"You lot "deal with us" by shitting about us all over at your Mayo blog. Have fun with that."
"Don't we do that here with the Mayo "crazies"?"
"Well said Mya"
Lolwot? People here bash Mayo's people, but you have no clue. Over at Mayo's we don't care enough about it to bash the people here, there.
So Frank has 45k followers, and instead of being thankful and flattered by that, he decides to have a blockathon? Gerard has 72k and Mikey has 65k, and yet Frank thinks 45k is too many. I think it's just an excuse to block a load of people, especially the ones perhaps that keep tweeting him over and over again.
He better be careful, he could get blocker's finger. Very nasty.
What I don't get is, if you or I had a twitter and someone was spamming it with rubbish, insults, or just things we thought were dumb, we'd block them, no? Maybe tell 'em to f***k off.
Why is it one rule for us and another for him? Why should he have to 'put up with it' because he's in a band? I get that fans see his comments, he should be a role model etc. Just because people put the role model tag on someone doesn't mean they're gonna act like it. Doesn't mean they HAVE to. Nobody is amazing enough or deserving of being put on a pedestal...i wish some would get that.
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Grown men using teen girls to do their bidding is sad, wrong, and creepy"
Huh?
Is it a crime to even disagree with them now?
August 27, 2009 8:56 PM
What? Are you quoting for the fun of it or was that supposed to relate to the question somehow?
Duh
Whatever it makes no sense. They're not using anyone to do their bidding. If people want to attack those tweeting them it's the stupidity of rabid fangirls who do it which is at fault. With the exxception of Mikey and his 'so I threw them to the wolves' remark.
What I don't understand is, if you don't have unreasonably expectations, just expect some common decent standards all of a suddenly you put on a pedestal these people.
I get they are human and can get angry with some of the tweets, but I'm guessing that all the celeb's on twitter must their fair share too. Can't they just block them without making some smart remark.
oh well, Noel left Oasis due to fallout with his brother, Liam.
One day soon we'll see this happens to mcr.
yay, Oasis are no more. Most over rated one trick (album)pony ever.
sorry, just had to get that out of my system.
its good to know that fans are speaking up about mcr's douchebaggery.
hazel36:
My chem are my fav band in the whole world, but i fear we are losing them to world of arrogance...what happened, to be blocked by an arsehole is really no big deal!!!
5.42 it wouldn't be the first time noel's done that. And remember when a tour ended early because of one of them leaving? There's always something with those two.
Can't they jus block them without making some smart remark.
I do agree with that. The stupidity is unecessary.
why cant those brothers sort their problems out?why cant they be like certain LA rockstar brothers who agree on everything - marrying the same type of girl, living in the same town, have the same friends,have family bbq parties every 3 days or so...
in case anyone cant tell, i was being sarcastic.
Can't they jus block them without making some smart remark.
because they want to show you that they have the power to make little girls cry. oh, so xxxhardxxxcorexx.
That would drive me to despair 5:53, but then sometimes you just do things to please people, right?
because they want to show you that they have the power to make little girls cry. oh, so xxxhardxxxcorexx.
Wow, if you consider making little girls cry powerful, well...
if i were the band members i'd be nice to my fans, even though they're not really the kind of people i want in my fandom, but as long as they keep generating money for my big house and big cars, i'm not complaining.
Wow, if you consider making little girls cry powerful, well...
Yeah they're just pussies who cant compete with real men so little girls are the only opponents they can fight with.
I really hope the Oasis split is permanent. Both brothers really are obnoxious.
Bigger than The Beatles? Yeah, right!
MCR is so fuckin' pussy that I think if my 16-year-old little brother pushed them they'll run back crying to their wives.
sometimes i wonder if mcr will still be the heroes we look up to if linkin park didn't invite them to be on PR .
Lmao, PR is where they ruined themselves. Or Gerard did at least. Who the hell looled up to them because of PR? Except fangirls who loved the frerard and ignored the obnoxious 'I'm finally getting laid' antics from Gerard.
And just because Frank found something funny and RT'd it people are ragging on him for it? Holy shit. He didn't use the word himself, he didn't call anyone that name and neither did the girl. She was simply saying what she'd seen someone else say.
You really don't understand. After Frank retweeted the comment that contained the racist word (I'm not typing it again) he said it was funny. A girl tweeted him that racism wasn't genius. He tweeted back to her that that word was okay so long as you put an A on the end instead of ER. The girl argued back with him and he called her a simpleton and blocked her. Then the girl put her twitter on private, probably because she was being hounded by fangirls.
It's never okay to use that word. If Frank was being sarcastic or not, some people found it offensive. The girl he argued with found it offensive. If he was being sarcastic, he should have explained that to her nicely instead of being nasty to her, calling her a name and blocking her.
We aren't the only people upset here. Go read the link on lj. Those girls are long-time fans who have been very active in the fandom recently. They're mostly all calling him out.
why cant they be like certain LA rockstar brothers who agree on everything - marrying the same type of girl, living in the same town, have the same friends,have family bbq parties every 3 days or so..
No, they're just the brothers who married the same kinds of women (patsy kensit and meg matthews, anyone?), and are rude to others and each other. Much better.
/also sarcasm.
I'm still a fan, and if MCR doesn't want us female fans anymore, I guess there's nothing we can do but leave them with their army of 200 male fans.
It's never okay to use that word? Tell that to a black person. Oh wait *waves the black people flag*
I am one. There was no racism in his comment or hers as far as I'm concered. It did not offend me at all. I wish actually, that people would stop getting offended on others' behalf, and listen to some actual people you think it should offend. It can be offensive of course but taking something black people use in a non-offensive way and twitterizing it, twiggas/z, is should not be offensive.
We (some) use it as a friendly greeting or word and not as a derogatory comment, like we're a collective people, brothers or sisters. Saying it about your twitter friends I think should be taken the same way, and in context.
I have my own mind, thank you very much and just because a load of lj'ers think it's offensive I'm not going to change my feelings on it lol.
Other former teenage heartthrobs like Leonardo DiCaprio, Justin Timberlake, the band Hanson (just to name a few) successfully ditched their pinup-boy image by not being rude to their young fans, but by increasing the quality of their work.
MCR on the other hand - did otherwise.
I'm still a fan, and if MCR doesn't want us female fans anymore, I guess there's nothing we can do but leave them with their army of 200 male fans
Make that three male fans. Talking about your wife all the time does not appeal to them. Maybe if they brought back the stage gay the male fans would come crawling back. But they're not exactly even pretty enough for these days.
That's right 6:25. They're not acting very professional or maturely. But they are virtually family now with MSI so that explains a multitude of things.
He thinks Lindsey makes him look "kool" and "hawt".
6:24,
Just because you don't find it offensive, doesn't mean that others don't.
If you don't mind what Frank said, that's great. But other people have their own minds as well and they have just as much right to be offended by his use of the word as you have to not be offended.
Frank also has the right to block anyone for anything on his twitter. But fans also have the right to get angry at him and desert the band in droves.
I'm confused. Is this the real Gerard? Or is the real Gerard the nice guy pre-MSI?
I agree with 6:33
Where were you when the entire fandom was up in arms over Eliza's use of the n-word (which ended in an 'a' and was intended to show that J* was her best bud), 6:24?
Funny how nobody came forward to defend her. I was reading comments by black people saying it was okay for them to call each other that because they were reclaiming the word, but white people couldn't use the word because it wasn't theirs to reclaim.
You might not find it racist for a white person to say "n*gga" but a lot of people (both white and black) do.
I think it's neither 6:37.
I don't think any of the MCR guys were ever nice -- Ray, maybe, but I'm afraid to hope he really is nic for fear that he'll prove me wrong like the rest of them.
Their niceness was all just PR (as in Public Relations) which pretty much got shot to shit by PR (as in Pro Rev).
*nice
mean that others don't If you don't mind what Frank said, that's great. Bu other people have their own minds as well and they have just as much right to be offended by his use of the word as you have to not be offended Frank also has the right to block anyone for anything on his twitter. But fans also have the righ to get angry at him and desert the band in droves
I do agree with you, but if everyone has the right to say whatever and be offended by whatever, then what are we all arguing about? We have the right to be offended and they have the right to say it. Nobody wins, they don't don't care about our opinion, they're not upset or outraged by it, yet people here give them the power to upset them? It makes no sense to me sometimes.
To the other anon, yes, I heard about Eliza but I did not see what she said myself and didn't care to at the time, I was not a fan to that extent. But nobody liked Eliza. I probably would've acted offended about her saying that even if I wasn't just because of my dislike for her. You get where I'm going with that?
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Lolwot? People here bash Mayo's people, but you have no clue. Over at Mayo's we don't care enough about it to bash the people here, there."
Ummm except for Mya coming over here and failing to be anonymous two weeks ago, and OPJ taking shots at the people here last week. ("Slimy" anyone?)
Yeah.
what's the meaning of "twiggaz" anyway? does it mean all the african american people in your twitter list or is it something else?
Found this answered question on Yahoo! answers
"Is MCR really racist?"
Isn't that how JU speaks? He seems to add a z at the end of everything. He probably started the whole LynZ scene name too.
I probably would've acted offended about her saying that even if I wasn't just because of my dislike for her. You get where I'm going with that?
If you're saying that we are like you and are only being offended because we don't like Frank, then you are WRONG.
I used to like Frank very much. I've met him and he was very nice to me and my friends when Gerard didn't give us the time of day. Does that mean he has a get out of jail free card as far as I'm concerned? Absolutely not.
The fact that you would have been offended by what Eliza said because you don't like her, but think it's okay for Frank to do the same thing because you do like him says a lot about the objectivity (or rather lack of it) of your opinions. I don't think people can take you seriously when you openly admit that you base them on whether or not you like a person.
Ummm except for Mya coming over here and failing to be anonymous two weeks ago, and OP taking shots at the people here last week. ("Slimy anyone? Yeah August 29, 2009 6:47
I was talking about people from Mayo's talking at Mayo's, not coming here. People here go to Mayo's and bash them just as much. It's just that actually over there, people here don't get talked about nearly as much as people here talk about Mayo's. Make sense now?
No I'm not syaing that in general. I'm saying I'm sure there a FEW people who will base their opinions that way about Frank because they dislike him. Not everyone. And what I said about myself was not literally about me, it was an example comment. Sorry I didn't make that clearer.
People should be objective, of course, which is why I do find some of the things he's said to be offensive, just not that particular RT. *shrugs*
"People here go to Mayo's and bash them just as much. "
No, I don't think so. I've lurked there a few times and every time someone says something they dn't like, they all anonymously come on and say "go back to VV" when in fact I highly doubt that the people saying the things over there, are actually from here very often.
It's never okay to use that word? Tell that to a black person. Oh wait *waves the black people flag*
I suppose your opinion counts for every black person that ever lived, right?
Just because you're black and don't find it offence doesn't mean others don't.
"Don't find it offence"?
MJ, at least sign in. I thought you said you weren't coming back after the disgusting thing you did.
BTW, I actually agree with you, but I still think you're a gross person for what you did, and your babble is easily recognizable.
Going back to Gerard and Lindsey's photo of the Kennedy assassination, I would just like to quote part of this recent article from Time, which talks about how the Kennedy's have had to deal with death so publicly for decades.
"The family was conflicted about whether the casket would be open or closed during the viewing, which put immense pressure on the morticians working on the body. In William Manchester's account, Jackie Kennedy, just 34 years old, told Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara she wanted it closed. "It can't be done, Jackie," he replied. "Everyone wants to see a Head of State."
"I don't care," she said. "It's the most awful, morbid thing. They have to remember Jack alive.""
By re-enacting the assassination in their "art" I feel that Gerard and Lindsey went against Mrs. Kennedy's wishes. I hope they realize this, although something tells me it wouldn't matter to people like them.
what do they ways know about politics?
or history for that matter?
Gerard chose to write about an important historical figure in his comic. You would think he would have taken the time to do a little research.
Oh wait. He didn't want to bother with that. He's too important to do any research. After all, he makes his own rules.
The Ways don't know much about a lot of things. I'm beginning to wish that I didn't know much about the Ways. I'm really kind of tired of reading about their stupidity. You can tell by their love of reality TV that they feel that any publicity or attention is good attention so I'm going to stop giving it to them.
The whole lot of them can go take a flying leap for all I care. I'm done.
7.50 if you were talking to me, did I forget the last few letters? I'll check, don't remember doing that but if I did then sorry, it was an accident. I am not MJ I can assure you. I don't like her any more than most other normal people would.
Oh sorry, 7.50 I see you weren't talking about me, but the person directly above you. Nice call in that case.
And no 7.41/MJ/whoever, I don't think my opinion counts for every black person. Only myself. I just wanted to point out that a lot of times when people go on about a racial group's rights or things that should bother them they very rarely ask what that group thinks and think they're being noble for doing it on their behalf. Not that I feel I owe you in particular an explanation-just anyone else who was curious.
I'm not MJ! I just didn't check before I posted. Not every mistake makes an Anon MJ.
True anon. True. But 'offensive' is a wrong spelling. 'Offence' is the wrong word. MJ is famed for it so people jump to conclusions. Don't worry about it :)
Ok, so I find it hard to spoell it wrong. I meant to say 'offensiv' without the e as a wrong spelling.
'Spoell'?! Wtf. I give up lol. Have fun people.
I just wanted to point out that a lot of times when people go on about a racial group's rights or things that should bother them they very rarely ask what that group thinks and think they're being noble for doing it on their behalf.
I have been told by my black friends that it's never okay for a white person to use the word n*gga. So, no. I don't think I'm being "noble" without knowing how some members of "that group" think. Nor do I think that you can lump every black person into one single entity and say that all black people are offended.
You aren't. Others are. Frank offended some people and didn't others. Those of us who are offended have every right to bitch about it.
Lol now you're just stirring shit. I already said I only speak for me, not all black people. Gotta love it when someone leaves out the part of a quote they want to moan about.
Also, with the bit did quote, I wasn't specifically talking about you. It was a general observation, which I, in turn, have every right to bitch about.
Okay, I asked this earlier but no takers. Does anyone have the lyrics to the new MCR songs? Was wondering what the content's actually meant to be about lol.
And did Bullets come out before the Midtown album that had a song on it that had a very similar beginning bass line to Vampires? Can't remember the name of it now, just wondered if it was something else they'd copied.
Is it me is it true, is the midtown song. Just found it.
I can't make out the lyrics to any of the new songs. Usually somebody on LJ will do so with a new song. They even did it with The World is Ugly, but I don't think anyone really gives enough of a fuck to try and figure out the new ones.
I think they're just pretending they don't exist in hopes that they'll sound better when the CD comes out.
It seems to me that Frank's been actively inviting controversy lately. If he really does want to cull his amount of followers, why not just set his Twitter page to private. That way he can pick and choose who reads his comments. What's the point of publicly announcing he has too many followers (too many fans?? I've never heard a band complain of that before), then pick fights with & block people.
I can believe that Gerard was a douche all along, but Frank? I think he's just been unhappy lately & is lashing out as a knee-jerk reaction. Or maybe there's just something funny in LA drinking water.
I know a lot of people who were huge MCR supporters who got really mad at Frank after the 'coat hanger' comment. There was a lot of heated discussion on private journals about him using misogyny to get rid of fangirls.
I think he's driving away fangirls, alright, but the ones he's driving away are some of the brightest ones. He's keeping the idiots.
10.26 yes that coathanger comment really pissed me off. Completely unwarranted.
He seems really full of rage lately.
He does RW you're right. It's not nice to see. I do hope it is just because he's been unwell, and he'll be feeling better soon.
Me too. Time will tell, I guess.
aaaaaand 'that lot' fight amongst themselves again. surprise surprise.
Yes RW it's no excuse obviously, but it would be some consolation I think.
Frank offended some people and didn't others. Those of us who are offended have every right to bitch about it.
And he has every right to block whoever he wants. What is it I see written here so often? That's right...deal with it!
Exactly.
Oh well. When Frank and MCR play to half empty stadiums and then find themselves having to start playing shit gigs like Warped again, I guess they'll just have to "Deal with it."
I wouldn't be surprised if they do this all on purpose. Maybe they want the band to become unsuccessful and the next album to be a flop? Maybe it's their way to get out of the contract with Warner so that they can do their own thing i. e. writing comics and touring with their own band etc.?
Remember what Prince did when he was pissed off about the way his label treated him.
I don't want this to sound like an excuse for their stupidity but I can't help but wonder about what band would deliberately sabotage their image like that?
They obviously created those Twitter profiles to be in contact with their fanbase, otherwise they would not have announced it on their band homepage and could have created secret accounts.
So, they want their fans to read their tweets and see how immature and stupid they react towards criticism.
My question is what record label, who wants their band to be a success and bring in the cash and is also fully aware of the fact that 98% of the band's fanbase consists of fickle, sensitive teenage girls, would let them tweet such stupid crap and not supervise it?
And now they also want 'special' fans to log in on their homepage so that they can comment on band members' blog entries and discuss them in forums?
I really would like to know what the discussions in that forum look like. As if those self-conscious asshats would allow any kind of critical comment or even any kind of comment about them being 'zeksi and hawt'.
So what would be left for the fan sheep to talk about?
The music?
Bwhahahahahahahahaha
Commenting on a specific song being totally amazing can only go so far and I can tell you those discussions will peter out very quickly because - let's be honest - it's not what the loons really want to talk about.
Who the hell makes the decisions in their PR department?
Also, by having their own forums and discussion boards, aren't they taking fans away from places like INO and BN? I'm not saying that's a bad thing, but I wonder how the maintainers of those communities feel about it.
I don't know. With the way the guys block people on twitter, I doubt fans will be able to say much of anything that doesn't meet with the band's approval.
Example: (hypothetical, of course)
gerard_luvah666: I don't really care for the song Death Before Disco.
Maintainer: Enjoy your permanent ban, gerard_luvah666, because you're outta here!
I joined mcr.com because i'm still a fan and was curious to see what its all about. TBH, there's nothing interesting there. Most users just sign up, write one or two blogs and left. There's no forum whatsoever either.
Its boring, really.
also, 99.9% members at mcr.com are teen girls who blog about "thank you mcr" and "i'm new! add me!!!" kind of stuff.their site is so lame it makes buzznet looks like facebook.
I agree 11:55. Someone in the last VV blog mentioned letting fans join and comment made the website and band into even more of a joke than they already are.
But if they did have secret Twitters, you can bet there would a lot of drama over that, like with SS/Mayo.
They want their fanbase to be like MSI's. Only difference is that it will never, ever happen. Neither group of fans is very bright, but at least most MSI fans can tell when Jimmy's joking and don't follow his word as law. Not so much with MCR fans.
Maybe Frank wants to lose fans so MCR can be underground and hardcore again. Makes me laugh inside.
Obviously, nobody there will be able to speak freely and I'm pretty certain that after a while it gets really boring for the fans to not being able to speak their mind. They will soon start to test how far they can go and what they can post and what not. Soon the first ones will be banned or at least warned to never post those things again. The fans will get very insecure and annoyed by walking on egg shells all the time and having to watch what they write.
Also, I bet that many fans will start to denounce other fans and their critical comments or other posts they don't agree with to the mods to suck up to the band and by hoping to get special treatment like backstage passes or merch.
This is going to be a total nazifest over there, I can tell you!
*gets popcorn*
tehe
Thanks, anon. That's really cute!
Frank's at it again.
He hasn't figured out yet that alienating your fan base = reduced revenue for you and your band.
Somehow I think he'll regret driving all these fans away once the money stops rolling in.
He may think he wants to go back to the old days of living out of a van, but I don't think it will be that easy to go back to that after living a fairly well-off life for several years.
The bands that are around for a long time tend to be the ones who appreciate their fans & make a point of showing it. I think Frank's making a mistake. Even fan girls get tired of the disrespect after a while.
Maybe he thinks these girls will continue to be fans even if he insults and blocks them.
I think he's wrong.
i remember getting into a rather heated argument with a girl on lj about whether or not he called somebody 'cunt' during the leathermouth tour. she said he most definitely did and i said he would never do that and she must have misheard him. i think i probably owe that girl an apology.
Perhaps Frank sees his Twitter posts as "art".
Nope. That same girl apologized and admitted she was mistaken as English isn't her first language.
You guys have probably already discussed this but I haven't been here in awhile and just realized how AWFUL the time is on Gerard and Lynz's Kennedy assassination photo.
Not that they could have known, but damn. That makes it worse. Way to rub it in guys.
I actually think Frank's last twitter sounds kind of sad. Like he's annoyed someone could base their opinion of him on his twitters when he feels he's nice or something and it's not representative of him as a whole. I think he knows the way he's been acting is wrong but hasn't come around to realising he needs to apologise. I think being respected as a person must be something he likes about himself. I feel a little bad for him about that.
(Please don't all kill me at once)
Twitter was just a bad idea. For whatever reason, it just made MCR seem like a bunch of douches.
Gerard seems like a totally self-centered dick with his head shoved up his own ass. Bob came off as a Neanderthal. Mikey just likes talking to his famous friends and acting like he has no purpose in life other than to say inane things on the internet. And Frank seems like he has a split personality and might be experiencing emotional problems and anger issues.
The only one I have even the tiniest bit of respect for is Ray. The management should take away all twitter privileges except for his.
Like he's annoyed someone could base their opinion of him on his twitters when he feels he's nice or something and it's not representative of him as a whole. I think he knows the way he's been acting is wrong but hasn't come around to realising he needs to apologise.
Actually, I kind of agree with you. I've been there myself, where things are going wrong in my life and I don't feel in control so I become like a totally different person. Maybe that's what's going on with him. Maybe not.
But whatever it is, somebody needs to take his keyboard away from him until he gets it worked out or MCR isn't going to have any fans left (except Voluptuosity).
Maybe it's harder for Frank to be rude to a person when they stand right in front of him. He might be afraid of them kicking his ass or that he's not quick-witted enough if it comes to a discussion, so he plays nice to avoid such situations.
It's always easier to be rude on the internet to anonymous people whose faces you don't see, whose voices you can't hear and you will most likely never meet.
You can take your time to respond and don't have to react immediately as it would be the case in a face to face/real time conversation.
You can take your time to respond and don't have to react immediately as it would be the case in a face to face/real time conversation.
In which case, it would be the perfect opportunity for him to walk away from the computer screen, have a beer and kick back & relax for a bit before responding.
In which case, it would be the perfect opportunity for him to walk away from the computer screen, have a beer and kick back & relax for a bit before responding.
Obviously, neither of them was ever trained to take the high road.
Apparantly not.
Maybe there's some twisted gratification in verbally abusing 14 year olds.
I just don't understand what it is that forces them to stay on Twitter?
I wouldn't be surprised if Bob the Flop used the death of his dog as an excuse for not having to deal with the fan sheep anymore.
If I was so annoyed by my fan base I would tweet some random things now and then and politely answer some 'ZOMG, your, like, my hero' posts once or twice a week and apart from that I would ignore it.
It's not that they have to deal with actual fans for the first time.
It's just that they're not used to being criticized by their fans.
I guess that hardly any fan who met them in person was able or had the guts to give them a piece of their mind or didn't want to waste the short and precious time with their idols to piss them off.
With Twitter they now have the chance to tell them what's going on in their minds and you can see by the way the band members' are 'fighting' back that it pisses them off big time and that they really don't like it.
If they wouldn't give a damn they would just ignore those tweets and not even bother to block them.
After all, getting blocked by them is the best proof that you hit the nail on the head.
It's obvious that someone touched a raw nerve with Frank. Can't he understand that he will be judged by what he says and the way he acts because people don't know him personally, and only have what they see and read as indicators. Otherwise he should not give a damn, just like Jimmy Urine. However, unlike JU, I think Frank has a conscience.
I actually think Frank's last twitter sounds kind of sad. Like he's annoyed someone could base their opinion of him on his twitters when he feels he's nice or something and it's not representative of him as a whole. I think he knows the way he's been acting is wrong but hasn't come around to realising he needs to apologise. I think being respected as a person must be something he likes about himself. I feel a little bad for him about that.
(Please don't all kill me at once)
I think you're right. And he won't apologize. This is the new hard-line MCR you're talking about.
I remember when Gerard first started acting out and people thought it was because he was having some kind of problem too. Turns out he just suffers from Asshole Disease, which turns out to be contagious. Frank has it too.
They want acceptance as adult men, not good little boys.
They won't get it by verbally pummelling teenage girls.
We understand that. I don't know what they think they'll achieve out of this, or whether they've just had enough of the obsessive nature of some of their fans.
They want acceptance as adult men, not good little boys.
Oh, is that what men do? Prey on those weaker than they are?
If they want to be treated like adult men, then perhaps they shouldn't be acting like a bunch of adolescent boys.
Oh, is that what men do? Prey on those weaker than they are?
Course not. But they wouldn't be the first ones to act like complete dicks to their fans. They are in the entertainment industry.
Course not. But they wouldn't be the first ones to act like complete dicks to their fans. They are in the entertainment industry.
But how many other bands built their fanbases by pretending to care about their fans? They can't just do a complete 180 and totally alienate practically the whole fanbase unless they're planning on trying to build a new one from scratch.
They aren't some unknown band from NJ. People have preconceived notions about them. It's going to be even harder for them to win over the type of fans they want because of that.
I don't think they're going to be able to do it.
I don't think they'll be able to do it either. Not with Gerard at the helm anyway. He's not going to give up the flamboyance. He's never going to be happy just playing stripped down rock music. Sooner or later that repressed Cabaret performer in him will come out.
MCR is not and never will be hardcore.
They give the impression that it doesn't really matter to them how many fans they lose.
It'll matter to them once Gerard realizes that he can no longer afford those three cars.
Seriously, it sickens me that my money helped pay for those.
The only time could have even hoped to have been considered hardcore was back when they first started, up until the release of Revenge. But I think it had more to do with that they couldn't afford to go all out. Once I'm Not OK and Helena got big, they were able to get suits and bulletproof vests.
3 cars now? Wow. Who is he trying to impress?
Himself.
I think between GW and LW they have 4, maybe even 5.
5 now? Must make Lindsey feel in the big league too.
If it takes all these possessions to make you feel worthy, well...don't know *shakes head*
Cars are such a waste of money. They aren't investments like buying a house. You're pretty much just throwing your money away.
Its been said he had a VW Beetle, and then he said the Mini Cooper convertible in that blog. {Both very manly cars, of course.} And now he has the Challenger, and the Trans Am. So assuming Lindsey had her own car, and he got rid of the VW, they would have max 4.
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