Someone sent me a great link in my inbox today that I want to share with you all. These are a lot of the excuses we hear from the MSICR camp and defenders...
The Art of Defending Racism
Saying or doing something racist will come naturally to you- but defending it? You’ll want to use one of the following tactics. ...
Tactical options:
A. It’s not that serious
1. We didn’t know better (and we never will)
2. You’re too sensitive
3. It’s not a big deal because it’s just (a movie, a song, a book, words, etc.)
4. Why should we care? (You don't matter anyway)
....
B. But!
...
7. We’re not discriminating AS MUCH (as other people/as we used to), isn’t that good?!? Give me a cookie.
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C. Dismissal!
1. You’re oppressing me by making me be “PC”
2. You’re too stupid to be in this conversation and everything you say doesn’t matter
3. Racism is over now
4. If we don’t talk about it, it’ll magically go away
5. Under my definition- it’s not racist
6. You’re too angry/You’re being irrational
...
Denial of impact:
Denial of impact involves a person avoiding thinking about or understanding the harms their behavior have caused to themselves or others. By doing this, that person is able to avoid feeling a sense of guilt and it can prevent that person from developing remorse or empathy for others.
This is a really old link but it's pretty good and it reminded me of some of what people say here in defense of these people.
I think the same thing goes for misogyny and homophobia presented in these lyrics, comments and lifestyles too.
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1 – 200 of 1672 Newer› Newest»Secondly, I don't think you understood my meaning when I used the Madonna/Britney kiss as an example for bad behavior from stars.
I misunderstood you? Oh, sorry. Because when you said:
but seriously, haven't we seen bigger and more influential stars do worse things onstage? e.g- the Madonna/Britney kiss?
I must have misunderstood the word "worse" and thought you meant "worse." You can see, RT, where I'd confuse the two words "worse" and "worse."
Then you went on to say two things:
I agree MSI's "Panty Shot" is a disgusting song, but the majority of people haven't even heard it.
And
Kapuna, I don't think this blog is so famous that my words are going to really offend anyone.
I see what you're saying. So it's not what you say that counts, but how many people have access to it. For instance, you offended me with your "two girls kissing is worse than MSI lyrics / two girls kissing would confuse young people..." But, since it was just me and a few other people, that's okay.
I guess that if you only a few homosexuals hear the song "F****" or only a few women get called bitches, whores, and told to f*** themselves and moan for some rock star (I guess here "a few" = "a few thousand" but that's beside the point,) well then, hey, you have to break a few eggs.
Your point boils down to "it only counts if it's really, really, really famous. Hurting a handful of obscure people – that's okay."
WOW.
Oh, and you, with all the hyperbole I've come to expect of these defenders, asked why we were all "DETERMINED TO HATE ON GEE AND LYNZ!!!1111"
Well, I guess the same reason I'm "OMG DETERMINED TO HATE!!!1111" Anne Coulter, Bill O'Reilly, Carl Paladino, Mel Gibson, Rush Limbaugh etc.
Let me get one thing clear. I have absolutely NO problem with a girl kissing a girl. BUT when it's done in front of millions of people around the world just to stir up controversy that's where I have a problem. That's why I said it was worse, because they did it for attention, not because they were in love with each other. Maybe it wasn't such a great example to use seeing as how you guys got so confused.
Also, maybe what I said was harsh, but I stick by it. MSI aren't that famous and never will be. Their music will never reach a large audience. As far as I'm concerned they are not even relevant. Also, sadly no-one can stop them from making the type of music they do. It's the whole freedom of speech thing, right? The only thing you can do and not be offended by them is to stop listening to their songs, stop paying them attention and stop spreading their name across the internet. You can't physically go out and get rid of them, the only thing you can do is ignore them. I mean, why listen to music that you KNOW will offend you?
"Oh, and you, with all the hyperbole I've come to expect of these defenders, asked why we were all "DETERMINED TO HATE ON GEE AND LYNZ!!!1111"
Well, I guess the same reason I'm "OMG DETERMINED TO HATE!!!1111" Anne Coulter, Bill O'Reilly, Carl Paladino, Mel Gibson"
Why don't you start a separate blog on these guys as well then? Why stop at Gerard and Lindsey? You could dissect their every tweet, change of hair color, children's names, career moves, choice of spouse, how they spend their money, whether you think they drink/do drugs or not, etc, etc, on it.
It's funny how anyone who leaves a comment here that differs from your opinion is regarded as "nonsense". I definitely see similarities with the crazed MCR fanatics in that respect.
Gee does read this blog.
Maybe it wasn't such a great example to use seeing as how you guys got so confused.
Wait just a minute. You make a statement saying that a girl on girl kiss is "worse" than the hateful racist and misogynist lyrics that MSI spew out and then say that we are confused?
I think you are the one who is confused.
Who's a racist? Based on what?
So there's one rule for the Madonna's and Britney's in the world and another for everyone else? And you may not have a problem with the things they do, but I think you're forgetting their target audience is girls. Girls who will go home thinking it's okay to wear provocative clothing, roll around on the floor, randomly kiss other girls just to shock and so on.
Because Madonna and Britney invented provocative clothing and young girls really want to roll on the floor and kiss other girls to shock. What a stupid thing to say.
The sexualization of young girls involves a mindset: the mindset namely that you have to look a certain way (hot) and always be available to get a boy.
These are the very things Lynz appears to have promoted tacitly. It doesn't matter if you're not good at what you do, you are merely a showpiece. Don't learn and become competent, don't try hard to set any examples because one day you will find that man that can look after you.
You seem to also concentrate on the fact they are not mainstream so have no power. Untrue. The very subgroup they appeal to, are the group of girls that should be most assisted with challenging this traditional mindset.
Gee does read this blog.
So what.
Let me get one thing clear. I have absolutely NO problem with a girl kissing a girl. BUT when it's done in front of millions of people around the world just to stir up controversy that's where I have a problem. That's why I said it was worse, because they did it for attention, not because they were in love with each other. Maybe it wasn't such a great example to use seeing as how you guys got so confused.
They did it to promote themselves to sell their record. I considered it silly. though there should be nothing wrong with same sex kissing, and not as ridiculous as writing songs about pedophiles to give attention to your crappy band.
Also, maybe what I said was harsh, but I stick by it. MSI aren't that famous and never will be. Their music will never reach a large audience. As far as I'm concerned they are not even relevant. Also, sadly no-one can stop them from making the type of music they do. It's the whole freedom of speech thing, right? The only thing you can do and not be offended by them is to stop listening to their songs, stop paying them attention and stop spreading their name across the internet. You can't physically go out and get rid of them, the only thing you can do is ignore them. I mean, why listen to music that you KNOW will offend you?
Who said we want to get rid of them? They can write what they like, and we can have an opinion about it. Only people like you try to come here and sanitize them, much like a vocalist who married a member of the band.
Madonna and Brittney didn't give an interview in a magazine about how they are role models like Lindsey did. They never said, "Hey girls, you don't have to learn to dance or sing! Just flash some skin and kiss another girl and you'll have a pop career!"
It would be preposterous if they did. For one thing, it would be a lie. Both Madonna and Brittney have something that propelled them to the top of the charts (dance training, business sense and a tremendous work ethic on Madonna's part and dance training, Disney backing and extreme sex appeal on Brittney's part) which most girls just don't have.
Lindsey did tell girls that they didn't have to be able to play an instrument to be in a band. She told them to just go out there and do it. Maybe that worked for Lindsey, but how much demand do you think there is for dog-and-pony show bands like MSI?
Maybe it wasn't such a great example to use seeing as how you guys got so confused.
First, no: It wasn't such a great example to use because it wasn't such a great example to use. You made the mistake. Stop deflecting.
Secondly, Also, sadly no-one can stop them from making the type of music they do. It's the whole freedom of speech thing, right?
Do you even read this blog? Did you even read what VV wrote in the entry before this one? Do us all a favor: Read that and think about what you just said.
Actually, I'll help you:
• The First Amendment protects us from the government, and not from other Americans who disagree with what we have to say. “Congress shall make no law” — the first five words of the First Amendment — say it all: No government body can limit our rights to speak out. In this case, there’s no government action, just public outrage and pressure.
Think a little.
Third.
The only thing you can do and not be offended by them is to stop listening to their songs, stop paying them attention and stop spreading their name across the internet. You can't physically go out and get rid of them, the only thing you can do is ignore them. I mean, why listen to music that you KNOW will offend you?
Apparently you actually haven't read this blog and are just coming here to spew the same old nonsense over and over again. And yes, it is nonsense, when this argument has been shot down time and again.
Umm, did you miss today's post?
4. If we don’t talk about it, it’ll magically go away
What part of this do you not understand?
Gee does read this blog.
And you know this how?
It would be preposterous if they did. For one thing, it would be a lie. Both Madonna and Brittney have something that propelled them to the top of the charts (dance training, business sense and a tremendous work ethic on Madonna's part and dance training, Disney backing and extreme sex appeal on Brittney's part)
Disagreeing hard with that last part. "Extreme sex appeal" is subjective and something that is just given. If you have it, it's not something you worked for. That kind of negates your argument.
However, both women did work hard, I guess to get where they are, instead of marrying a rock star and then pretending like they were some sort of amazing and wonderful career-woman before then.
You seem to also concentrate on the fact they are not mainstream so have no power. Untrue. The very subgroup they appeal to, are the group of girls that should be most assisted with challenging this traditional mindset.
Exactly. These girls need to be inspired to go out and get an education or to develop a talent so they can make their way in the world. They don't need some empty-headed fake rock chick encouraging them to go out and be in a band that barely gets by, in the hopes of landing a rawksta husband who will then support themselves for the rest of their lives.
"Extreme sex appeal" is subjective and something that is just given. If you have it, it's not something you worked for.
True, but I wasn't saying that girls should aspire to have sex appeal. They either do or they don't -- and you have to admit that Britney's looks played a very large part in her career.
I was saying that it would be ridiculous for any girl to think she could go out there and become the next Britney if she doesn't have Britney's attributes -- one of which just happens to be the way she looks.
You losers need to look at Gerard's cover on the next issue of Kerrang. He does read this blog and he's laughing at all of you. The last laugh cuz this record is going to be epic! It's going to put MCR over the top to be the biggest band in the world. Fuck U2, fuck the Kings of Leon, fuck everybody. MCR will rule.
No he's laughing at you 2:28, cuz it's people like you that make him rich.
^Are you serious? LMAO. You're a troll right?
Sorry. My comment was directed at 2:28.
wtf are you talking about, 2.28?
He's laughing at all of you.
Lol. Well, I'm laughing right back at him because he looks fucking ridiculous.
Shooty fingers. So the "biggest band in the world" plays with toy guns. Right.
not to mention his sagging chicken neck that you can tell they tired to cover up with that collar of his. still not as funny as this.
http://ean.buzznet.com/user/photos/?id=63391441
you can tell he wants to be anywhere else but there and with "art" like that who can blame him and does he ever change his clothes anymore? the roids filth just seems to rub off on him everywhere.
Just look at all the masks in the background. What do you want to bet that Lindsey designed the masks for the Box Set?
MSI is all over this new record.
the roids filth just seems to rub off on him
Gerard has always been filthy. You can't blame it on Lindsey.
it was more about it being all over the new record too. this thing is a total overproduced piece of crap.
the new song sounded more MSI than MCR.
that picture of gerard on kerrang cover is ugly. fuck, i hate his face like that.
Anonymous said...
Gee does read this blog.
Does he still read Mayo's blog too? What about Frank, Ray and Mikey?
WTF is this?
Is he trying to look like a high fashion male model by trying to suck his cheeks in?
Stop deflecting.
lulz
3:17,
That was when the gaunt look was in. It's out now.
Whose looks do you want to pick apart next?
Why don't you post a picture of yourself from 8 years ago.
Some dude in my college said mcr is a band created for 'depressed overweight girls'.
i found it offensive but i cant help thinking that it might be true. i look at mcr fans pics on tumblr, twitter and the pictures where they posed in their Killjoys costumes, and 80% of them are exactly what that guy described.
sorry if i sounded like a bitch, but i just need to get this outta my head. and sorry again if i offended anyone. =[
3.26 need to chill the fuck out.
Gaunt look or not, he looks like a druggie in that picture.
I think maybe that picture is photoshopped. I've seen other pics from that shoot and they don't look like that.
Besides, it's not Gerard's looks that bother me. It's his idiotic actions.
Oh and that picture is from a couple of years ago. Not 8.
gerard 8 years ago would look like a drunken smelly idiot.
2:28, Epic really? 'cause I've heard Nanana and The Only Hope For Me is You and they're probably the worst thing I have heard besides Nickelback and The Biebs. Anybody could take a huge shit and It will sound better. I hope you're right about Gerard reading this.
He does read this blog and he's laughing at all of you. The last laugh cuz this record is going to be epic! It's going to put MCR over the top to be the biggest band in the world
You probably said that about TBP.
Also in that picture where Gerard is doing the bang bang fingers instead of his regular jazz hands, he does look like he is thinking what a bunch of sucker people are buying those masks and plastic ray guns. I really do hope he at least make enough money for some more leather pants and a new fucking t-shirt.
'And this one time when GW was 4, he ate paste. He's such a douche. Let's tear him apart like his friend's in MSI do everyone else.' (This is what people here sound like sometimes, completely insane and ridiculous.) Let's focus on the actual wrong-doing (and let's try to remember that he was massively screwed up on drugs & or alcohol for the last few years). Not his neck, hair, standing position. You keep calling kid's out on their petty immature behavior (or logic) when it comes to MCR. But are any of us here old enough to spell hypocrite? Why is it alright to mock someone when the comment is coming from someone HERE, but not for a kid trying to defend a band member they like, in the very same manner? Regardless of weither or not they should be looking up to someone in MCR, don't pretend that arrogant mocking behavior here is more apporpriate than the way the kids behave back at you. You people are smarter than that. Please assume some who read here are too. This attitute and logic is pointless. If you want to make a point to the kids that follow them, try calming explaining WHY to them. Don't throw stones back at them. You teach them nothing. Nothing productive anyway. All you're really doing is teaching them to throw stones, just like MSI is so found of doing. Did this not occur to anyone? Help them. Don't behave like them.
gerard knows msi is bad news. he doesnt want to be saved. we know. we already tried that.
thats how this blog started. we all thought maybe if he realized what msi was bring out in him (whether or not it had been there all along) and how it was hurting those same youngs fans of him he told all those inspiring words too that hed snap out of it before its too late.
now that its too late though i see no problem in vent my frustrations as we all watch him selfdestruct.
i just hope msi goes down first. i want to believe that bad things can happen to bad people too.
If you want to make a point to the kids that follow them, try calming explaining WHY to them.
See that is the thing no one gets. We don't really care if kids follow them. We don't care if they are fans. We don't go to fan sites and mock them. We stay here and discuss how WE feel about them, be it their music or how shitty their singer is. There are plenty of fansites they can go and have people agree with them.
Wow, Lynn. I believe your comment is the very reason so many people have an issue with this blog. You see nothing wrong with calling out MCR (as I agree you should on the wrongs they have done) but yet, when faced with an opportunity (the fankids coming HERE) to actually do something about it -you what? Just don't give a fuck? My god. You have finally won, I give up on trying to reach some kind of understanding with people here. Some of you I get, I understand where you are coming from. But I can't believe this. This is however just one small part of a big ole fandom/antifandom-world on the net. I for one, will do my best to help the misguided kids understand things better. And you, Lynn, you appear to be nothing better than the members of MSI you so claim to loathe. They don't care either. You apparently don't get the sickening similarities you just claimed on yourself. Congradulations, you didn't need Jimmy Urine to make an ass out of you. You just did it yourself. I hope some of you here do not agree with Lynn on the issue of the younger fans. They will stil come here. I'm gonna cross my fingers someone will try a little harder than not at all.
And, 8:51. I agree with you. But, I will not look forward too, or enjoy the destruction of anyone. I like to think, eventually someone can become a better person. Even the vile members of MSI.
This attitute and logic is pointless. If you want to make a point to the kids that follow them, try calming explaining WHY to them. Don't throw stones back at them. You teach them nothing. Nothing productive anyway. All you're really doing is teaching them to throw stones, just like MSI is so found of doing. Did this not occur to anyone? Help them. Don't behave like them.
You don't understand, do you? NO ONE can make anyone think a certain way. I personally do not believe that this blog would have any influence to any of the band members.
If you want to make a point to the kids that follow them, try calming explaining WHY to them. Don't throw stones back at them.
You clearly are misunderstanding things. I never thought of this blog as one to convert people against the band. It is a place for people to talk about the way they feel about these bands and other social issues.
Wow, Lynn. I believe your comment is the very reason so many people have an issue with this blog. You see nothing wrong with calling out MCR (as I agree you should on the wrongs they have done) but yet, when faced with an opportunity (the fankids coming HERE) to actually do something about it -you what? Just don't give a fuck? My god. You have finally won, I give up on trying to reach some kind of understanding with people here. Some of you I get, I understand where you are coming from. But I can't believe this. This is however just one small part of a big ole fandom/antifandom-world on the net. I for one, will do my best to help the misguided kids understand things better. And you, Lynn, you appear to be nothing better than the members of MSI you so claim to loathe. They don't care either. You apparently don't get the sickening similarities you just claimed on yourself. Congradulations, you didn't need Jimmy Urine to make an ass out of you. You just did it yourself. I hope some of you here do not agree with Lynn on the issue of the younger fans. They will stil come here. I'm gonna cross my fingers someone will try a little harder than not at all.
Seriously, I find your comment melodramatic. People come to their own realizations when they are ready, if they do at all.
This attitute and logic is pointless. If you want to make a point to the kids that follow them, try calming explaining WHY to them. Don't throw stones back at them. You teach them nothing. Nothing productive anyway. All you're really doing is teaching them to throw stones, just like MSI is so found of doing. Did this not occur to anyone? Help them. Don't behave like them.
I find you very idealistic. There has been enough explanation why people think this way here through countless and countless of posts. I suggest you familiarize yourself with them.
MSI don't throw stones, they reinforce and strengthen outdated and inappropriate concepts.
http://leniq-lynz.buzznet.com/user/photos/?id=63389521
Because you're the only hope for me
And if we can't find where we belong
We'll have to make it on our own
Face all the pain and take it on
Because the only hope for me is you, alone.
This is so about Gee & Lyn-Z! ♥
MCR fans don't want nor do they understand logic when it comes to their idols. The only thing they want to read or hear about their beloved band is that they are perfect and that everything they do is golden. People can't even say they don't like the new song on one of the MCR lj comms without being called "haters".
I think it's a bit ridiculous for anyone to think that this blog is going to change any of those kids' minds. They have an almost brainwashed, cult mentality and they see us as the enemy. They aren't going to listen to anything negative about the idols they worship.
Eventually, most of them will grow up and open their eyes (although some of the older ones probably never will). Until then, they have their fan sites where they can talk about how Gerard is OMG SO HAWT, etc.
This place is for us, the ex-fans. When the current fans become disillusioned and want a place to express their feelings, we will be here for them.
but yet, when faced with an opportunity (the fankids coming HERE) to actually do something about it -you what? Just don't give a fuck?
Damn. I come here and comment and you are not going to make me feel guilty for doing so.
And you, Lynn, you appear to be nothing better than the members of MSI you so claim to loathe.
I'm not a racist and i don't mock homosexuals. I really don't care what you think of me. I think you are being a little dramatic because i didn't agree with what you said, but thats okay. We all have our own opinions. :)
"The very subgroup they appeal to, are the group of girls that should be most assisted with challenging this traditional mindset."
Are you kidding me with this statement? So you're saying girls who listen to Rock music are somehow more vulnerable then girls who listen to, say, Pop? Stereotyping, much? EVERY young girl is vulnerable, no matter what she listens to or what videos she watches. All young girls are impressionable no matter what environment they are in.
"These girls need to be inspired to go out and get an education or to develop a talent so they can make their way in the world."
Again, a very stereotypical way of thinking about girls who listen to Rock.
"If we don’t talk about it, it’ll magically go away"
Okay, so it won't go away but bands like MSI thrive on people talking about them, something which you guys have been doing for years. Have you been able to change anything? No. Will you be able to change anything? No, and so the circle will continue.
One last thing. You guys criticize MSI for their lyrics yet YOU resort to name calling-troll seems to be your favorite, to anyone who comes on here and annoys you.
"Madonna and Brittney didn't give an interview in a magazine about how they are role models like Lindsey did."
So they don't say it aloud but they are whether they like it or not. It's just the way things go when you are in the spotlight. Anyway, where would they be if their fans didn't look up to them and admire them?
I've seen a lot of comments about Lindsey's stage performances and such. You say she "prances around" in a school girl outfit flashing her underwear and doing backbends. What about stars like Beyonce? Have you seen some of the outfits she wears on stage? If not, check out this performance.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_TXOzB5EyM
The woman is practically in lingerie. If Lindsey had ever worn something like that I can only imagine the hysteria it would have caused on this blog.
Please don't say Beyonce doesn't think she is a feminist or a role model for girls. With songs like "Single Ladies and Independent Woman" I think she does, but at the same time she has songs like "Freak 'em Dress" on her albums. What do you say about that?
(If the link doesn't work, just go on YouTube and type in: Beyonce 2009 EMA performance. It should come up.)
Are you kidding me with this statement? So you're saying girls who listen to Rock music are somehow more vulnerable then girls who listen to, say, Pop? Stereotyping, much? EVERY young girl is vulnerable, no matter what she listens to or what videos she watches. All young girls are impressionable no matter what environment they are in.
You're kidding me. Some of the worst stereotypes of females happen in the hard rock/punk scene.
Okay, so it won't go away but bands like MSI thrive on people talking about them, something which you guys have been doing for years. Have you been able to change anything? No. Will you be able to change anything? No, and so the circle will continue.
We are not exactly advertising them. We restrict our comments to this blog, I can hardly see how it makes them thrive, for that look towards MCR they are the ones promoting these idiots.
One last thing. You guys criticize MSI for their lyrics yet YOU resort to name calling-troll seems to be your favorite, to anyone who comes on here and annoys you.
So this compares to a band that earns money by name calling. Get real.
Please don't say Beyonce doesn't think she is a feminist or a role model for girls. With songs like "Single Ladies and Independent Woman" I think she does, but at the same time she has songs like "Freak 'em Dress" on her albums. What do you say about that?
Are you serious because your arguments are quickly becoming ridiculous. Beyonce actually has talent, her own career and name distinct from her husband something Mrs Gerard Way doesn't and never appeared to have.
RT who are you to come here and tell us how to react to the way some of these people speak to us, and then compare us to your idols MSI. This is our space, and our opinions. If we went on any of the fansites with our opinions we would be flamed immediately and probably banned. You can actually still comment here so we are far more democratic.
lol!! from the 2nd part of Kerrang
He (GW) felt what was missing was the recklessness of old, of daring, do anything craziness that defined how bold they had been. It was quickly becoming a worry. But then his wife (of course) stepped in.
She old me 'you're an artist. You're not just a musician, look what you did on parade'. It was the first time someone had said that to me (sure!) She could see better than me how I was connecting the dots. But she said I needed to own that (like get her band involved) She said we needed to go out and show people.
LOL.
GW If people were accusing us of fucking people up and of destroying youth culture then we were really going to be that dangerous. We were really going to be that fucking dangerous
And Gerard rediscovered his mojo and color is super dangerous
He's a moron. The whole album is related to Lindsey and MSI.
RT said...
"The very subgroup they appeal to, are the group of girls that should be most assisted with challenging this traditional mindset."
Are you kidding me with this statement? So you're saying girls who listen to Rock music are somehow more vulnerable then girls who listen to, say, Pop?
Lack of reading comprehension skills much?
That comment was about girls who listen to MSI, not girls who listen to rock music.
Why don't you stop trying so hard to defend MCR and maybe actually pay attention to what we're saying here. It might help you make a little more sense with your comments.
RT said...
"The very subgroup they appeal to, are the group of girls that should be most assisted with challenging this traditional mindset."
Are you kidding me with this statement? So you're saying girls who listen to Rock music are somehow more vulnerable then girls who listen to, say, Pop?
Lack of reading comprehension skills much?
That comment was about girls who listen to MSI and idolize Lyn-Z, not girls who listen to rock music in general.
Why don't you stop trying so hard to defend MCR and maybe actually pay attention to what we're saying here. It might help you make a little more sense with your comments.
Also to RT,
You should also drop the "I'm not a fan" b.s., because we can all see right through that shit. It's been done before (but then you wouldn't know that because you haven't taken the time to actually read through past blogs). See: kasuchans, v1 and v2.
"You're kidding me. Some of the worst stereotypes of females happen in the hard rock/punk scene."
Really? And they are?
"Are you serious because your arguments are quickly becoming ridiculous. Beyonce actually has talent, her own career and name distinct from her husband something Mrs Gerard Way doesn't and never appeared to have."
You still haven't commented on the way she dresses, or is it okay for Beyonce to dress like that, you know, because she has "real talent"? Is she excused?
"Why don't you stop trying so hard to defend MCR and maybe actually pay attention to what we're saying here."
What are you trying to say here? I'll admit, I've read some blogs-not all, just enough to get the gist of this place. I understand you feel "disillusioned" and "let down" by Gerard and co, which makes me think you must have really thought highly of Gerard to be that upset with him.
You hate MSI, I get that. I'm not a fan of MSI either, I've never listened to their music and never will, but I do still listen to and enjoy MCR's music. I just enjoy the music, though. Getting attached to band members/singer/actors has always seemed like a rocky road to me, seeing as how most celeb's lie through their teeth to get somewhere.
To be completely honest I wouldn't even have commented on here, It's just I've read things that have upset me. Not as a fan-I'm not that passionate about MCR to get upset over them, but as a woman. But I'll get back to you on that.
You still haven't commented on the way she dresses, or is it okay for Beyonce to dress like that, you know, because she has "real talent"? Is she excused?
We haven't commented on that because there is nothing wrong with how Beyonce dresses. Honestly, where do you get the idea that we think female musical artists should wear turtle necks and maxi-skirts?
I don't have a problem with anyone showing skin.
Yes, people have commented about Lindsey flashing her underwear because that's really all that she contributes to MSI, from what I've seen.
Come back and talk about Beyonce when she bends over onstage in a short skirt and shows the audience her underpants while holding an unplugged microphone.
I don't understand why you people seem to think that women using their sexuality to get ahead is a bad thing. It's the goddam law of the land, always has been, always will be. We don't have to like it, but it's true. TRUE. It will never change. Sex, looks, sex, sweet-talking, pants flashing, boob-showing will get you further than a degree. It's a sad truth.
More reading comprehension failure, 11:53?
Damn, but MCR fans are stupid!
Fat and ugly and bitter about it.
"Hating on a certain name only gives them fame."
Never have truer words been spoken.Most people would never give MSI a second thought, but not you people, oh no, you have gone on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on an on about them.
Sad.
I don't understand why you people seem to think that women using their sexuality to get ahead is a bad thing.
For real? I'll explain dumbass. when woman use their sexuality to "get ahead" in life it usually looks like they have nothing else to offer to the world. woman are not sex objects and should not be viewed as such.
You really kinda didn't answer anything I said, but I get that. I realize that you kind of couldn't. That's okay.
Okay, so it won't go away but bands like MSI thrive on people talking about them, something which you guys have been doing for years. Have you been able to change anything?
That's weird, because just a few posts ago you were saying that if something doesn't reach enough people, then it doesn't matter what you say.
I can't / won't change the racists / homophobes / sexists asses in these two bands any more than I can change Anne Coulter. Mel Gibson etc. But that doesn't mean I am going to keep my mouth shut.
"Oh, you can't change them, so we might as well just, well, ignore it and it won't go away."
I mean, honestly?
One last thing. You guys criticize MSI for their lyrics yet YOU resort to name calling-troll seems to be your favorite,
LMFAO, right. because "troll" is so on the same level as f****, bitch, c***, whore, n**** and the rest. Oh yeah, I can see how someone would be just as hurt being called troll as any of those words.
Get real.
Also, I don't care, and have never cared about what the hell women want to wear. WTF, where did that even come from?
It's the way women are being treated (and minorities, homosexuals and practically every marginalized group you can name) by both of these bands that makes me want to spew all over their designer bags.
And to do so under the flag of feminism, that's my issue.
But you just keep on putting words into our mouths now, you hear?
I also retain the right to think that Lindsey looks like a prat up there on stage, too.
So I'm back to tell you the real reason why I commented here. We could go back and forth with all the other things I said (none of which you understood), but I think this is more important.
After reading most of the comments on here about Lindsey, it's pretty safe to say you all dislike her immensely. I know some of you think she has no talent, some disapprove of her stage antics, some hate that she is associated with MSI. This is fair enough in my eyes. What makes me angry are your views on her marriage to Gerard.
You all assume she is “living off” him, that she only married him so she could lead a comfortable life. How typical of you to assume when a woman marries a famous, more wealthy male she is only after his money. That makes me sick. You have the nerve to discuss woman's rights yet you have resorted to the oldest stereotype in the book. That no matter what, all woman are golddiggers inside, that we are all seeking a wealthy man to “take care” of us. What an offensive way to view and judge a fellow woman.
But you don't stop there.
This is, in my eyes, the most offensive part. You believe she got pregnant on purpose so she would have a hold on Gerard forever. That in case they should ever split she would still be financially secure-yet another sickening stereotype for woman-made by you, the so-called feminists. Has it occurred to you that their child may have been a surprise for both of them? You claim to be all for woman's rights yet you harbour some caveman-like thoughts and you express them and still have the audacity to say Lindsey is a hypocrite. I think you are all sailing in the same boat of hypocrisy.
You have also ridiculed the tattoos Lindsey has on her body. Note I said HER body, not yours. Surely you know the whole point of feminism and woman's rights is that woman should be treated equally to men? If a man can have a tattoo without being branded as classless, why can't a woman? And why is she considered a “skank” if she does have them? Frank Iero has more tattoos then her, even Mikey has tattoos. I've never read any comments demeaning them in the same way.
You all see their faults (of which there are many) but do you see your own?
It's the way women are being treated (and minorities, homosexuals and practically every marginalized group you can name)
Every marginalized group like, say
Christians?
He (GW) felt what was missing was the recklessness of old, of daring, do anything craziness that defined how bold they had been. It was quickly becoming a worry. But then his wife (of course) stepped in.
That's why Gerard tried to stage dive. He wanted to be reckless(his wife told him to do it)
RT,
Differing opinions are not respected on this blog.
The regs that post here will never admit what hypocrites they are.
They'll never own up to their own bigotry, prejudices or hatred.
It was a brave effort on your part.
LMFAO, right. because "troll" is so on the same level as f****, bitch, c***, whore, n**** and the rest. Oh yeah, I can see how someone would be just as hurt being called troll as any of those words.
Two of the most demeaning and dismissive words in the world is idiot and retard.
Those words are meant to make another person feel as though they are less than you. Inferior to you.
Just like the "n" word and the other words you mentioned.
I've seen many of you call people idiots and retards.
Just because a word isn't banned from network television doesn't make it less demeaning, hurtful or offensive.
But you'll never admit that. You'll never admit the harmful and hurtful intend behind your words when you call people who don't agree with you idiots or retards.
You are no better than the people you proclaim disgust you.
Let the battle commence!
looks like someone forgot his sock
http://mcrbrasil.com/eng/scans/kerrang-scans-second-part/
Imbecile. I forgot that one.
How many times have I read what an imbecile Gerard, Frank, Mikey, Bob or LynZ are?
Many times.
Another word meant to make another person feel inadequate or less than another. To denigrate them.
If the people here want to see a face of bigotry, hatred and hateful hurtful speech all they have to do is walk over to mirror.
It's about time someone with a real argument came here. RT's last comment has a point. What will Kapuna and her cronies say?
Anonymous said...
Let the battle commence!
October 13, 2010 1:02 PM
Fuck the battle. Training is over.
This
Is
War!
Godspeed to RT and all warriors against hypocrisy.
Lol. We have been invaded by the MCRmy.
*waits to be called a troll or an MSICR fangirl and have all valid points ignored*
lol!
Didn't have to wait long.
So predictable.
You all assume she is “living off” him, that she only married him so she could lead a comfortable life. How typical of you to assume when a woman marries a famous, more wealthy male she is only after his money. That makes me sick. You have the nerve to discuss woman's rights yet you have resorted to the oldest stereotype in the book.
While I have not been one of the people who said that Lindsey married Gerard for his money, you have to admit that the first thing Gerard did after getting with Lindsey was to start promoting her band. You can't deny that. He took them on tour. He talked about them in magazines.
The result? MSI's press coverage went up by about 300 per cent. Think I'm kidding? Go take a look at the press page on their website. It's all there for you to see.
Also, Lindsey was suddenly being interviewed by magazines. Think that was because she was the bass player in MSI? How odd that they never interviewed her before. In fact, when MSI did manage to scrounge up an interview (pre-Gerard), Lindsey rarely ever even got to speak.
So, if you are saying that Lindsey did not profit from her marriage to Gerard, you are being a hypocrite.
With regards to her being a woman, it doesn't matter. If a less than famous man marries a more famous woman and then tries to profit by it, they get called out. See: Keven Federline. Are you saying that Lindsey should get different treatment because she's a woman?
Haters gonna hate and the biggest bigots and hypocrites in the world will never be able to recognize those horrible traits in themselves.
You believe she got pregnant on purpose so she would have a hold on Gerard forever. That in case they should ever split she would still be financially secure-yet another sickening stereotype for woman-made by you, the so-called feminists.
Do I believe that? Really? Funny, I never said any such thing.
Yeah, we do get some crazies here who say things like that, but usually they get called out on it.
So, RT. Are you one of the people who comes in here and calls us fat, ugly, and sexually repressed? Should we lump you in with all of the people who come here to argue with us?
Because that's exactly what you are doing with statements like, "You all assume she is “living off” him". I'm assuming that since you didn't say "Some of you say," on any of your accusations, you are accusing everyone on here of having a hive mind.
Lol, I'd make fun of Lindsey's chicken arm no matter if she was a girl or a guy.
Who the hell gets drunk enough to get a chicken tattooed on their arm?
Somebody needs to get Gerard a new sock, STAT!
He's got a bad case of camel toe in the new Kerrang! scans.
This
Is
War!
I love This is War! I think it's so much better than any of 30stm's previous efforts. ;D
I love This is War! I think it's so much better than any of 30stm's previous efforts. ;D
I think MCR must have liked it too, because that new songs (the fingernails on chalkboard one) sounds kind of like a poor attempt to emulate 30STM's sound. Only Gerard doesn't have Jared Leto's pipes.
You all assume she is “living off” him, that she only married him so she could lead a comfortable life. How typical of you to assume when a woman marries a famous, more wealthy male she is only after his money. That makes me sick. You have the nerve to discuss woman's rights yet you have resorted to the oldest stereotype in the book. That no matter what, all woman are golddiggers inside, that we are all seeking a wealthy man to “take care” of us. What an offensive way to view and judge a fellow woman.
But you don't stop there.
This is, in my eyes, the most offensive part. You believe she got pregnant on purpose so she would have a hold on Gerard forever. That in case they should ever split she would still be financially secure-yet another sickening stereotype for woman-made by you, the so-called feminists. Has it occurred to you that their child may have been a surprise for both of them? You claim to be all for woman's rights yet you harbour some caveman-like thoughts and you express them and still have the audacity to say Lindsey is a hypocrite. I think you are all sailing in the same boat of hypocrisy.
Cave man thoughts? You are a fool and I consider equal in gullibility to MCR/MSI fans to believe that some females are not above manipulating the situation to suit themselves and would never do it. As we support feminism we should never bring this up and think this is never possibility? Now talking about Lindsey a person from an obscure, virtually unknown, rough struggling band and she is not enjoying her new lifestyle? You are ridiculous and I consider you one of the people who are trying to sanitize her past make her image more palatable. It's people like her and you it seems, that seem to distort the very concept of gender equality and what it represents.
So I'm back to tell you the real reason why I commented here. We could go back and forth with all the other things I said (none of which you understood),
If you were misunderstood it's because you weren't clear. I answered everything you said and instead of replying, you're just saying "You misunderstood so forget it."
What makes me angry are your views on her marriage to Gerard.
No; that's just your latest excuse because you can't answer anything that's been said to you.
You all assume she is “living off” him, that she only married him so she could lead a comfortable life.
I don't assume that; you pulled it out of your ass because everything else you said got shot down.
That no matter what, all woman are golddiggers inside, that we are all seeking a wealthy man to “take care” of us.
Asspull. And even if that's what she looks like, why would that mean anyone here assumes the rest for the rest of the female gender?
You believe she got pregnant on purpose so she would have a hold on Gerard forever.
Now, you're just a desperate troll, making things up.
Done with your nonsense.
Christians?...
Two of the most demeaning and dismissive words in the world is idiot and retard.
Mayo troll. Just gave away who you are, too. :)
Those words are meant to make another person feel as though they are less than you. Inferior to you.
Mayo troll, you are inferior.
Why not sign in and take some more shots about my family, while you're here?
Or, you know, get over it. Put your dripping hate-on back in your pants, wipe your hands and go play with your raygun.
Another thing. If I tatted my body heavily with the images of cocks, skulls and ammunition I too would be judged by others, and I expect quite heavily. If you think this would never happen you should take your head out of the clouds. Though it is her body to do as she pleases though it doesn't prevent me from expressing how ugly I think her tattoos are and question why she would even get those types in the first place. I don't like Franks tattoos either and I consider he has gone well overboard with them.
Poor, poor Christians. They are so marginalized in Western society.
/ridiculousness
Who the hell gets drunk enough to get a chicken tattooed on their arm?
Exactly! Who gets a giant chicken on permanently inked on their arm? What the hell does that represent?
Because that's exactly what you are doing with statements like, "You all assume she is “living off” him". I'm assuming that since you didn't say "Some of you say," on any of your accusations, you are accusing everyone on here of having a hive mind.
Dude seeing as most of you come on here as an Anon, can you blame RT? How is she supposed to know specific names? I mean you could all be the same person. just sayin.
RT is making a very good point here. but, as usual the regs on here are missing her point. As usual they're twisting her words until the point she was trying to make disappears. A great move from you regs as ever. You pull out so much crap that the other person's opinion gets distorted. I for one want to see what Kapuna and co have to say on this matter. What excuses will you girls rustle up this time?
ET, RT same person.
You pull out so much crap that the other person's opinion gets distorted.
You ought to talk.
"This is, in my eyes, the most offensive part. You believe she got pregnant on purpose so she would have a hold on Gerard forever. "
Hahaha, LMAO.
Seriously, if that was your original problem then why didn't you say that (stupid lie) in the first place?
is it because you just thought of it when you couldn't "prove" any of your other points?
This is the part where the troll walks off in a huff.
Only to come back a few days / weeks or months later.
Haters gonna hate and the biggest bigots and hypocrites in the world will never be able to recognize those horrible traits in themselves.
You are ridiculous and I consider you one of the people who are trying to sanitize her past make her image more palatable.
Also, Lindsey was suddenly being interviewed by magazines. Think that was because she was the bass player in MSI? How odd that they never interviewed her before. In fact, when MSI did manage to scrounge up an interview (pre-Gerard), Lindsey rarely ever even got to speak.
Exactly!
So, if you are saying that Lindsey did not profit from her marriage to Gerard, you are being a hypocrite.
With regards to her being a woman, it doesn't matter. If a less than famous man marries a more famous woman and then tries to profit by it, they get called out. See: Keven Federline. Are you saying that Lindsey should get different treatment because she's a woman?
This. Also makes a mockery of feminism not to call them out.
RT is making a very good point here. but, as usual the regs on here are missing her point.
Really? What was the point that did not get addressed? I think we addressed all of RT's points.
I didn't see where she answered a lot of the points we made about her comments, however. Specifically, what does she have against females showing skin? Also, what's wrong with girl/girl kissing? And how can she compare that to lyrics about pedophilia?
This blog is full of shit. I should have known. As soon as one person with a decent argument comes on here you have to try to make them look stupid. The truth is you are the ones who are dumb. I understood everything RT was saying. You didn't because you're so convinced you're right that anyone else's opinion looks like shit to you. And lol, back to calling them trolls? Yeah, knew it wouldn't be long. You act like you're better then MSI but you're worse. You call people names and you disrespect them by resorting to name calling. so what if troll isn't like calling someone the N word. It's still said as an insult right?
To RT- They'll never understand what you're saying because their heads are full of crap. Forget them and just enjoy MCR's music. Let them stew int their own hate.
Basically these are old trolls with the same MO. They tried to mix it up a little and pretend to be "not fans" and not from that other place, but just let it slip.
I wonder what brought them all over here at once today?
Unless it's just the one with a sockpuppet.
As soon as one person with a decent argument comes on here you have to try to make them look stupid.
Lol. Show me the "decent argument". Is it the one about how shameful it is for girls to kiss other girls?
so what if troll isn't like calling someone the N word. It's still said as an insult right?
Wow, and you're a failure of a troll, too.
Seriously, that's what you're coming up with? That the word "troll" (which you are) is on the same level as n*** and f****?
Wow. Honestly, wow.
Troll, you've failed.
Oh, no, I get what you're saying, I think. "Troll" isn't like n****, it's just, well, kinda like it.
Wow, that logic sounds familiar. I'm almost thinking of this one time when someone said that girls kissing was "worse" than calling someone f****, but by worse, she didn't mean "worse." Just, you know, worse.
This blog is full of shit. I should have known. As soon as one person with a decent argument comes on here you have to try to make them look stupid. The truth is you are the ones who are dumb. I understood everything RT was saying. You didn't because you're so convinced you're right that anyone else's opinion looks like shit to you. And lol, back to calling them trolls? Yeah, knew it wouldn't be long. You act like you're better then MSI but you're worse. You call people names and you disrespect them by resorting to name calling. so what if troll isn't like calling someone the N word. It's still said as an insult right?
You go ahead and think that and continue sticking your head in a bucket.
To RT- They'll never understand what you're saying because their heads are full of crap. Forget them and just enjoy MCR's music. Let them stew int their own hate.
AS we said an MCR/MSI fangirl trying her best to "convert" us.
Troll with the logic fail, I wave my private parts at your aunties. You tiny-brained wipers of other people's bottoms. You daffy sockpuppets, we fire arrows at the top of your heads and make castanets out of your testicles already, you empty-headed animal food trough wiper. Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries.
And if you think you got a nasty taunting this time, you ain't seen nothing yet.
You act like you're better then MSI but you're worse. You call people names and you disrespect them by resorting to name calling. so what if troll isn't like calling someone the N word. It's still said as an insult right?
Oh yeah it's exactly the same as writing about someone thinking about a 5 year old's panties and f***** and b******. More like a good example of over-exaggerated, emotive and disproportional counter arguing.
You believe she got pregnant on purpose so she would have a hold on Gerard forever.
I told you. We're an anarcho-syndicalist commune. We take
it in turns to act as a sort of executive officer for the week.
Are you kidding me with this statement? So you're saying girls who listen to Rock music are somehow more vulnerable then girls who listen to, say, Pop?
No, I'm saying that if I went 'round saying I was kind because some watery tart had lobbed a scimitar at me, they'd put me away.
Ah, now we see the violence inherent in the system!
You believe she got pregnant on purpose so she would have a hold on Gerard forever.
I'm not one of the regs that think that way.
I actually think their daughter was very much planned and wanted by both Lindsey and Gerard.
I also believe that Gerard and Lindsey are very happy together.
The problem I have with her is that she was trying to represent something she's not.
And I am far from impressed by her band and do not think they are exceptional in any way.
Help, help! We're being repressed!
Just because you don't SEE Christians being oppressed and held down doesn't mean it is not true. You obviously see whatever you want to see. Christianity is being persecuted in the new political world just like it always has been. Christians are laughed at and targeted, with their beliefs mocked. Their GOD mocked.
You can laugh about it all you want, but the truth is you are hypocrites. You can accuse MSI all you want of discriminating against blacks, gays and women but YOU DISCRIMINATE TOO.
Just because you don't SEE Christians being oppressed and held down doesn't mean it is not true. You obviously see whatever you want to see. Christianity is being persecuted in the new political world just like it always has been. Christians are laughed at and targeted, with their beliefs mocked. Their GOD mocked.
Oh please. Cry me a fucking river. Come live in the bible belt sometime and tell try telling people "I don't" when they ask you where you go to church. Try having people tell your kids that they are going to go to hell because they haven't been baptized (i.e., physically dunked into a vat of water in front of an entire congregation of people).
I have no problem whatsoever with what people choose to believe or not believe. Most of the "Christians" I know can't say the same thing. They're too busy telling me how I'm going to hell.
Dude seeing as most of you come on here as an Anon, can you blame RT?
How often did ET and RT come here before making up a name?
Frank said women look trashy with a "tramp stamp" Go yell at him. He can have as many as he wants because he has little man syndrome.
What will Kapuna and her cronies say?
That you are from Mayo's and you are the Christian anon and your name is Mya. ^_~
You can accuse MSI all you want of discriminating against blacks, gays and women but YOU DISCRIMINATE TOO.
Boo hoo. Some people don't like someone with a chicken on their arm. End of the world.
Lynn, please don't put words in my mouth. They know who they are. I don't need to say anyone's name.
I suppose it's very "christian" to support people that write a 5 year old's panties.
**about
Kapunua, the words came out of my mouth.I wasn't trying to speak for you, it was for me. I was adressing the same person for saying i was as bad as MSI. I knew who said that to me.
Who ever it is they are stupid.
Christianity is being persecuted in the new political world just like it always has been. Christians are laughed at and targeted, with their beliefs mocked. Their GOD mocked.
Guess what, Fuckhead. We live in a global society these days and you know what that means? We have to learn to co-exist with one another.
That means that Christians will have to share their world with Muslims, Buddhists, Jews, Hindus, Pagans, Agnostics, Atheists and more.
Most Christians I know think they're being oppressed when their children aren't taught Creation and Bible verses in public schools. Well guess what? That's not oppression, it's just not being given preferential treatment. Boo-fucking-hoo.
They're just going to have to get the fuck over it.
Sorry, I misunderstood. I thought the anon was asking "what would Kapunua etc. say" and you answered "that it was so and so."
With this part:
What will Kapuna and her cronies say?
That you are from Mayo's and you are the Christian anon and your name is Mya. ^_~
When I'd say no such thing, because I don't want to name names, as that only seems to fuel them even more.
Fuck the battle. Training is over.
This
Is
War!
Godspeed to RT and all warriors against hypocrisy.
Lol. We have been invaded by the MCRmy.
More like a cult.
I'm waiting for all the members of this cult to roll up in hot pink yellow and red at their gigs because their messiah told them color is super dangerous
When I'd say no such thing, because I don't want to name names, as that only seems to fuel them even more.
Kapunua, you could of named names many times and i know that you never did and wouldn't. Sorry for the mix up. The way i typed that out, does look like i was talking for you, but i wasn't.
I'm waiting for all the members of this cult to roll up in hot pink yellow and red at their gigs because their messiah told them color is super dangerous
Lol. You know their parents are going to be so pissed off when they all suddenly have to throw out all those black shirts and have a completely new wardrobe comprised of primary colors.
I can hear it now. "But, Mom. Color is the new black!"
Raccoon eyes and primary colors. Good mix ^_~
I'm waiting for all the members of this cult to roll up in hot pink yellow and red at their gigs because their messiah told them color is super dangerous
He's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy!
I think the MCRmy should be renamed. Something like The Cult of Zoid Fits in nicely with the color and ray gun theme.
I getcha; thanks for clearing it up. :)
I could indeed name names because they still go to my LJ all the damn time. But why bother? We both know they're hanging around there, and here, so. Yeah.
Win for 6:16! ^_^
lulz
Jump the shark
Na na na
No thanks.
He (GW) felt what was missing was the recklessness of old, of daring, do anything craziness that defined how bold they had been. It was quickly becoming a worry. But then his wife (of course) stepped in.
That's why Gerard tried to stage dive. He wanted to be reckless(his wife told him to do it)
Because one of the prerequisites of being reckless is being told by your wife what exactly to do to be reckless.
And being told by your wife you're an artist . Real light bulb moment.
"She said we needed to go out and show people."
'we' as in MSI we?
I can't believe Gerard is on with that I'm an Artist bullshit again.
Him and about half the other guys out there in rock music. It's pretty common for rock musicians and other celebs to have gone to art school, yet he's the only one I've ever heard prattle on and on about it.
Mike Shinoda is an excellent artist. I've heard him mention it once. Same for Brandon Boyd and Shawn Harris.
He needs to get the fuck over himself.
Maybe the next video will feature Gerard and Lynz riding off into the apocalyptic sunset as his only hope is his zoid.
What I find funny is you call me and others a troll then you try to justify your words by saying, “It's not as bad as calling someone a n*****, f***** or b****. Name calling is name calling no matter how you try to package it. Maybe you don't think “troll” is an offensive term, but maybe the people actually being called a troll think differently?
By the way, I'm not “E.T”. Why would I come on as another person? Also, I don't know what Mayo's is. Care to enlighten me? (I should add this is the first time I've even bothered to read/reply to any blog on the internet) And no, my last comment wasn't something I pulled out of my ass, as Kapuna so elegantly put it. (Resorting to offensive comments again, I see.)
Let's get one thing straight, the first comment I made was a question because I really wanted to know why you all hate Gerard so much, then with the replies I got I had to answer them. It snowballed from there. It's not like I had a plan of attack all mapped out in my head. I just went with the flow. Maybe I should have taken it as seriously as you do. I didn't expect such an intense reaction, to be honest.
Kapuna, you say I never answered most of your comments. It's true, I didn't. Not because I didn't have anything to say but because it's clear you haven't understood a word I've said. We would probably be here for eternity. But YOU have twisted some of my comments. I never said it's wrong for a girl to kiss another girl, BUT DOING IT ON STAGE FOR ATTENTION IS WRONG. Why is that so hard for you to understand?
Some of you have left comments suggesting that maybe I'm homophobic:
“Is it the one about how shameful it is for girls to kiss other girls?”
When did I say that?
“I'm almost thinking of this one time when someone said that girls kissing was "worse" than calling someone f****, but by worse, she didn't mean "worse." Just, you know, worse.”
You've taken my words out of context here. Like I explained-it's worse when you do it ON STAGE FOR ATTENTION SEEKING PURPOSES.
Cont..
And last but not least. Kapuna and some others have said they have no problem with celebrity entertainers “showing a little skin”. Really? You don't think that has any impact on kids? But the Anti-Christ-aka, Lindsey doing backbends does, right?
Well, maybe you don't read newspapers or magazines, but I've lost count of how many times I've read about a young girl developing an eating disorder after seeing how “perfect” her idol looks on stage. They always say, “I wanted to look like so and so.”
These woman have perfect bodies and always look immaculate, but have you ever stopped to think how it effects young girls minds? Where do you think the pressure to look so damned perfect all the time comes from anyway? Hell, when I was a teen I didn't look at magazines either because they made me feel bad about myself-and I didn't even suffer from low self-esteem. Perhaps if Lindsey lost an unhealthy amount of weight you'd suddenly become interested in the issue?
Did the “size zero” debate also pass you by? I think so, seeing as how you're fighting the good fight over here about how some less then mediocre, virtually unknown band writes offensive songs, and how a lead singer never kept his word.
You need to see the bigger picture, and if you want to fight for something, make sure it is something worth fighting for.
I know, I know. It does go on a bit, but really, I don't have time to keep coming back here and leaving comments, so I have to do it all at once.
RT do you read things said by these people or just conveniently ignore it like you accuse us of doing. Lindsey herself appears to have a preoccupation with weight making underhanded comments on an interview about how anyone who has a negative perception of her must be a consumer of crisps therefore implying they are 'fat". She even said it in a video. I wonder how she treats her sister.
Did the “size zero” debate also pass you by? I think so, seeing as how you're fighting the good fight over here about how some less then mediocre, virtually unknown band writes offensive songs, and how a lead singer never kept his word.
Constantly trivialize anything they do or say. That's your tactic. Consider this: the lead singer you idolize was calling a fan of his a "cunt" under his pseudonym "party poison" but deleted the tweet before too many people saw it.
Another thing you seem not to know very much about the psychology of perfectionism and weight issues. I bet you learned everything from the so-called expert and Lynz's best pal, Jessicka Adams.
I think so, seeing as how you're fighting the good fight over here
People with stupid reasoning. This is a place to express our opinions don't you read?
Did the “size zero” debate also pass you by? I think so, seeing as how you're fighting the good fight over here about how some less then mediocre, virtually unknown band writes offensive songs, and how a lead singer never kept his word.
You cult of zoid members really have to educate yourselves.
You need to see the bigger picture, and if you want to fight for something, make sure it is something worth fighting for.
You cannot tell anyone what is worth fighting for anymore than we can tell you or your other army members who to idolize and fangirl over.
These woman have perfect bodies and always look immaculate, but have you ever stopped to think how it effects young girls minds? Where do you think the pressure to look so damned perfect all the time comes from anyway? Hell, when I was a teen I didn't look at magazines either because they made me feel bad about myself-and I didn't even suffer from low self-esteem. Perhaps if Lindsey lost an unhealthy amount of weight you'd suddenly become interested in the issue?
It doesn't come from magazines, they reflect what girls want to see because they are trying to sell their magazine, like your idols are trying to sell their record. Peer groups and the pressure they exert are far more influential in this formation. Also a personality type prone to perfectionism is more inclined to be influenced. Read the current research and stop generalizing.
It's all just a vicious cycle really. Pressure is put on female celebs to be skinny and because this is seen as the "ideal" it puts pressure on all females.
There is a difference between being skinny and developing a full blown eating disorder such as RT was suggesting. Eating disorders are not triggered by images, although once in the disorder they reinforce the disorder.
They are psychological disorders that a sub group of people (males included) can fall into, and the trigger just like any other addictive disorder such as alcoholism and the like is stress that the individual cannot cope with at the time.
What underlines all these mal- adaptive disorders are a form of extreme anxiety or clinical depression.
So, I shouldn't wear a bikini in public because I might make some girl have an eating disorder? Because I'm fairly lanky myself.
And, everyone who dresses how the hell they want is automatically "a size zero?"
Should this burqa theory of yours apply to men, too? Or are they allowed to show any body shape they want without fear of destroying other people?
Has it occurred to you, ever, that a lot of the emaciated models who are actually size zeroes are quite often covered up in ridiculous clothes, and still looking as if they're shaped like an earthworm?
Yeah, your comment makes absolutely no sense, RT, but I've come to expect that.
So, among us we've flattened all of your "but but but! What about THIS, that's REALLY what I meant" nonsense. What ya gonna pull out of there next?
You need to see the bigger picture, and if you want to fight for something, make sure it is something worth fighting for.
And yet here you are, fighting us on an out-of-the-way blog. How much time have you spent here? I hate resorting to cliché, but perhaps you should practice what you preach?
Sense. You make none, RT.
I'm a size 2 and I have to work at being that big. I'm just naturally thin and I come from a family of naturally thin women.
So, according to RT, I suppose I should hide myself away from the rest of the world so as not to give bigger girls self-esteem issues? I think not. I wear whatever makes me look good.
With regards to Beyonce, do you really think she wears a size 0, RT? She is certainly a beautiful woman, and I can tell that she works at it, but last time I saw her, she appeared to be a very healthy weight. Same goes for Britney, Lady Gaga, Katy Perry and every other pop star out there who dresses in skimpy outfits.
If you want to complain about the media pushing skinny role models on young girls, pick on the fashion industry. Not music.
it's true. The fashion industry is the one that is the least forgiving towards women. While society as a whole really does hate our guts (too big, too small, too round, too narrow, too long etc.) you do see a lot more successful musicians and actresses of varying sizes, shapes etc. You never see that in the fashion industry.
Look, I hate the fact that women are destroying themselves over this insane standard, too. But since when is someone like Lindsey a size zero? She probably outweighs me, and I'm 5'9".
What bothers me more, though, is this idea that women's bodies are dangerous and need to be covered up. Otherwise they'll hurt someone.
ANYway.
Movie fans?
Tom Hardy (Heathcliff in Wuthering Heights, SWEET PYCMY JESUS YES and Mr. Eames in Inception) just got a role in Batman 3.
Discuss? ^_^
Me, I love T-Hard like an insane person.
Pygmy, that is. Although pycmy sounds like a cool word. ;D
lynz looks like a size 10 or 12. im not saying she's big (hey im size 12 too) but she's certainly not skinny.
And there you go making fun of Christians and their Savior again.
And there you go making fun of Christians and their Savior again.
Get over it. Jesus tap dancing Christ on a cracker!
And now we're deflecting the subject. Let's talk about Tom Hardy the hideous guy with huge lips.
VV is G's ex.
You accuse MSI and MCR of being racist and sexist, but don't you yourself make racist and sexist jokes about white people and men?
That's hypocrisy at it's finest.
Tom Hardy, you could suction him to a wall.
If by "the wall" you mean me... ^_^
You accuse MSI and MCR of being racist and sexist, but don't you yourself make racist and sexist jokes about white people and men?
That's hypocrisy at it's finest.
I'M GONNA GET ME A SHOTGUN AND KILL ALL THE WHITEYS I SEEEEEE!
I absolutely cannot believe I found this on Youtube!
And here's one just for Mr. and Mrs. Way.
Disgusting. All of it.
If by "the wall" you mean me... ^_^
Classy.
Whatevs, he's lush. ^_^
And now we're deflecting the subject.
Deflecting what subject? I've read back over the comments and every single topic brought up by RT has been addressed.
Besides, Tom Hardy is much more interesting than GWay or MSI or anything relating to them.
As for his lips? I think they're gorgeous! He can suction himself to me any time he wants.
If by "the wall" you mean me... ^_^
Classy.
Oh I know. We can't quite compete with the classy MCR fans who want to read fanfic about what was it? The MCR wives fisting and fucking their restrained husbands with strap-ons? If only we were so refined.
/sarcasm
O_O
I just soul-died.
Ugh.
O_O
I just soul-died.
Ugh.
Inorite?
I don't know which was more disgusting, the person who said that or the one who talked about "hot" Waycest while the wives watched and were jealous.
*shudder*
“So, I shouldn't wear a bikini in public because I might make some girl have an eating disorder? Because I'm fairly lanky myself.”
Why am I not surprised? Once again you missed the point I was making.
“So, according to RT, I suppose I should hide myself away from the rest of the world so as not to give bigger girls self-esteem issues?”
When did I say that? Again, you missed my point. I'm not even going to bother repeating myself. I think I've done it enough with previous comments.
“And yet here you are, fighting us on an out-of-the-way blog. How much time have you spent here? I hate resorting to cliché, but perhaps you should practice what you preach?
FYI, just over a week. Not weeks/months/years. Some of you should practise what you preach also, what with the name calling (Skank-Z, anyone?) and the inane comments on whether Gerard has an ass or not, whether he wears hair plugs-let's not forget the amusing nickname for alleged hairpiece (Mr. Fester, I think) Really, this blog loses credibility on it being a “place where you can express your opinion” with these unnecessary and offensive comments and exposes some as hypocrites.
“Do you read things said by these people or just conveniently ignore it like you accuse us of doing”
So many of you reply I end up missing bits out. I admit that.
And to Kapuna, how nice of you not to call me a troll this time. Maybe you learnt a lesson on double standards? I hope so.
The Burqa issue would probably keep me here for a while so you can understand why I'm not going to go into it. Lastly, you do use some interesting terminology, Kapuna. You say you've “flattened” everything I've said, or “shot it down”. Your words are quite violent, wouldn't you say?
Okay, I take it back. Kapuna you have learned nothing about double standards. So you just posted a video entitled "Lord and Lady Douchbag" and aimed it at Gerard and Lindsey?
You are a hypocrite of the highest order.
Once again you missed the point I was making.
Did you ever have a point? Honestly, you are the worst debater I've ever come across. You haven't made a single point that has made sense and hasn't been shot down.
Just what the fuck was your point when you said that Beyonce's manner of dress was harmful? What was your point when you said that Madonna and Britney kissing (you left out Christina, btw. Madonna kissed her too.) was "worse" than MSI?
I hate to say it, Sweetie, but you aren't very bright. Maybe you should forget the whole debating thing because you suck at it.
Okay, since you didn't understand what I meant when I asked you why you were here on this blog, I'll rephrase it.
Since you tell us we should be out "fighting the good fight" instead of "wasting time" on this blog, I will ask you the same question.
Why aren't you out "fighting the good fight", RT? Why are you here? What do you think you are going to accomplish or prove? Other than the fact that you don't seem to have very good reading comprehension or debating skills, because you've proven that. In spades.
Did you ever have a point?
I don't think even she knows what her point is.
Kapunua (and the rest of us) have always said GW and the missus are douchebags. How does Kap posting a video about it make her a hypocrite.
It's like your mind doesn't follow any kind of logical pattern. You just jump from point A to point D or something.
-let's not forget the amusing nickname for alleged hairpiece (Mr. Fester,
It was Uncle Fester and that was made up alooong time ago so i think you where here longer than week.
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