Oh my God, I had a whole post typed out and Blogger crashed and deleted it without saving a draft.
I forgot most of what I wrote so I have to start over.
I notice some of you talking about Laura Slessinger and her use of the N- Bomb recently. I saw some of the fall-out from that in the news too. And it made me think about what gets said to a lot of you sometimes.
We see a lot of MSICR fans saying that MSICR have the first amendment right to use whatever language they want and we have no right to stop them. I think once even Lyn-Z made a comment about "Thank God for the first amendment" when talking about her band's lyrics.
But I have always thought, no one is TRYING to take away their right to use hate speech. We have the right to our opinion too when it comes to lyrics that are racist, homophobic and misogynist.
This article about Laura Slessinger and the first amendment said a lot of what needs to be said here too.
These are the parts I wanted to quote.
• The First Amendment protects us from the government, and not from other Americans who disagree with what we have to say. “Congress shall make no law” — the first five words of the First Amendment — say it all: No government body can limit our rights to speak out. In this case, there’s no government action, just public outrage and pressure.
• Boycotts are also protected by the First Amendment. Dr. Laura complains about being “bullied” by those who might pressure her radio affiliates or advertisers, but boycotts are a time-honored use of the First Amendment to address perceived wrongs and have played a role in virtually every social movement in American history.
But the whole article is really good.
MSICR are allowed to use hate speech in their lyrics. MSICR fans are allowed to listen to those lyrics and interpret them any way they want. They can think they are about something else, if they want to. You interpret things however it makes sense to you.
YOU are also allowed to hate those lyrics, take them at face value (which the bands themselves always say), and to boycott them if you want..... forever if that's what you want.
There will always be arguments as long as there are lyrics, tweets, concerts and interviews with that kind of speech. There will be disagreements no matter what. But disagreeing is NOT the same thing as squashing someone else's rights.
I really thought that article said it better than I could have.
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«Oldest ‹Older 1401 – 1600 of 2260 Newer› Newest»No one knows who that was, we have a variety of trolls here that try to make this blog appear intolerant. I disagree with some of your views but I agree to disagree.
yes, and some people like dogs and others like cats. still doesn't mean that this applies to someone you don't even know, like lindsey and gerard, that's all i'm trying to say.
But neither do you, unless you do know them and I am drawing on my experiences with my friends who are all college educated professionals.
I agree to disagree.
so do i, that's fine with me.
but these "trolls" you speak of seem to make up a large portion of this blog. it is impossible to distinguish people - sure, there's those who simply insult people and those who fuel the fire with unsubstantiated statements, but how should anyone be able to know who's who? and how should i know that people are not simply hiding behind this "that's a troll"-accusation every time they cannot come up with another answer? i have been accused of being one myself, just because i ask questions.
why do you let that happen?
But neither do you, unless you do know them and I am drawing on my experiences with my friends who are all college educated professionals.
yes! that's exactly my point. we do not know. hence, we shouldn't criticize or come up with statements we cannot justify.
you should never base such general statements on your personal experience. if you are around college-educated professionals, or philosophers even, they should be able to tell you that one cannot conclude general truths from personal experience. ever.
The only thing I can say is it happens. I'm sorry about your experience here.
you should never base such general statements on your personal experience. if you are around college-educated professionals, or philosophers even, they should be able to tell you that one cannot conclude general truths from personal experience. ever.
No, one forms their own truth. I don't agree, personal experience does form a narrative.
No, one forms their own truth. I don't agree, personal experience does form a narrative.
yes, true - their own truth. of course learning about the world is based on personal experience. you could go so far as quoting wittgenstein and saying "how do i know if my perception of, say, pain is the same as yours?"
but that is not the point i was trying to make. just because someone knows some couples where the men are frustrated with their wives not going to work does not enable them to conclude that this must be the same for everyone else.
the trick is to look beyond one's own nose, so to speak, and grant everyone the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise.
I'm sorry about your experience here.
don't be, i am old enough to defend myself. :)
and i am still here and interested in your opinions.
but that is not the point i was trying to make. just because someone knows some couples where the men are frustrated with their wives not going to work does not enable them to conclude that this must be the same for everyone else.
the trick is to look beyond one's own nose, so to speak, and grant everyone the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise.
Even though I was drawing from my experiences I was not concluding that this is the case for everyone. I was suggesting that it happens, even in high earning couples where no one would think it would.
it is impossible to distinguish people - sure, there's those who simply insult people and those who fuel the fire with unsubstantiated statements, but how should anyone be able to know who's who? and how should i know that people are not simply hiding behind this "that's a troll"-accusation every time they cannot come up with another answer?
I think you should grant us the benefit of the doubt, until it's proven otherwise :)The regular people here are well informed sensible people, even if assumptions are made. Everyone occasionally makes them, even Gerard Way I'm sure.
still, that's no reason to assume this happens with lindsey and gerard, like others do here.
I think you should grant us the benefit of the doubt, until it's proven otherwise :)
but i do! that's what i did in all my posts. i am simply asking you to back your statements up, because i do not want to jump to conclusions or be proven otherwise. :)
Maybe it doesn't...maybe it does.
I don't mind if I'm proven otherwise. I probably have strong views on things though I'm happy to read other thoughts on the subject.
well, maybe your neighbour likes to wear women's clothing, maybe he doesn't. maybe i prefer to shave stars into my hair, maybe i don't. maybe lady gaga is a man, maybe she's not. maybe the guy in the subway is going to blow up his office tomorrow, maybe he isn't. maybe gerard goes to bed in clown make-up and lindsey reenacts freejazz performances in the shower. maybe you secretly listen to paris hilton's collected works when no one's around, maybe you don't.
but:
1) who are you to judge them based on the mere possibility and
2) how are you going to justify any criticism of other people's lives based on "maybe"?
I don't mind if I'm proven otherwise. I probably have strong views on things though I'm happy to read other thoughts on the subject.
glad to agree. i should probably have worded this better (english is not my first language, so i apologize for any ambiguities):
i wanted to believe that there is a valid reason for this blog and the statements made here, because i gave you all the benefit of the doubt. in order to believe that, i needed to know the reason.
i did not want the notion to be confirmed that this blog is not based on facts, but on polemic.
but so far, there have been no reasons given, only assumptions and allegations, polemic in fact, based on nothing.
so i'm asking again: why do you feel so offended by someone who you do not know? it is one thing to criticise the marketing machine that is surrounding a band and promoting their image (they certainly are not in charge of this completely), and i can even understand that to a certain extend. mcr's marketing and promotion team could have made better decisions in the past.
but why not stick to that instead of going as far as "hating" on their wives and people you do not know? why?
Everyone judges everyone in their own way. For example, this blog is constantly judged by MCR fans.
Why do opinions need to be justified? Opinions are opinions.
Bridgett is that you?
but so far, there have been no reasons given, only assumptions and allegations, polemic in fact, based on nothing.
You are saying it's based on nothing because you think you know them?
Everyone judges everyone in their own way. For example, this blog is constantly judged by MCR fans.
Why do opinions need to be justified? Opinions are opinions.
yes, this blog is judged by others. just like you judge others. the degree of this judgement is highly dependable on how substantiated your statements are.
opinions do not come from nothing, they do not just pop up. an opinion is based on experience and information. thus, it should be justifiable, modifiable, accountable. you might not be aware of the reasons behind your opinion, or you might not want to disclose them. but they are there.
if a statement cannot be backed up like this, why would you make it in the first place?
You are saying it's based on nothing because you think you know them?
who? gerard and lindsey? no, i do not know them, and i do not claim to. and i have stated that before. i am saying it's based on nothing, simply because no one has given any reasons so far. do you have any?
yes, this blog is judged by others. just like you judge others. the degree of this judgement is highly dependable on how substantiated your statements are.
I'm not saying you are not entitled to judge us, by all means do.
opinions do not come from nothing, they do not just pop up. an opinion is based on experience and information. thus, it should be justifiable, modifiable, accountable. you might not be aware of the reasons behind your opinion, or you might not want to disclose them. but they are there.
if a statement cannot be backed up like this, why would you make it in the first place?
Opinions are formed by all the things you mentioned, but they do not need to be justified. They are not factual statements.
i am saying it's based on nothing, simply because no one has given any reasons so far. do you have any?
That again is your opinion.
Opinions are formed by all the things you mentioned, but they do not need to be justified. They are not factual statements.
but you put them out there for anyone to see. why would you do that if you do not want to convince others of them? and how would you do that if not by explaining your point of view?
seriously, all i'm asking you is to explain this to me. i am not even saying that i would crush you for your opinion (and why should you fear me, we never even met), i just want to understand it. if you cannot even explain this to me, then how are you explaining this to yourself?
That again is your opinion.
exactly. and i am asking you to help me modify it.
seriously, all i'm asking you is to explain this to me. i am not even saying that i would crush you for your opinion (and why should you fear me, we never even met), i just want to understand it. if you cannot even explain this to me, then how are you explaining this to yourself?
Understand what? You're perplexing.
I don't need to modify your opinion it's yours. The same way you don't need to modify the opinions of others here.
ok, i'll say it again.
what is this blog based on? what have the people you are writing about (mcr, lindsey, etc) done to you that justifies the allegations you make? why do you not back them up when someone asks you to? what do you hope to personally gain by contributing to this?
as i said before, i get that mcr's promotion and marketing strategies are confusing. i do not consider them executed well a lot of times, as well. but how is that the band's fault? wh do you not simply say: "oh, this is ridiculous, i don't care about this anymore, i'll go and listen to slayer instead"? why does this warrant all this polemic speech about the band's members and details of their lives that you cannot even know about?
to summarize: please explain to me why it is ok for you to make these statements about these people.
It was an interesting conversation. Thank you for your opinions.
I don't need to modify your opinion it's yours. The same way you don't need to modify the opinions of others here.
no, but i am asking you to. it's your choice to turn me down. i am not trying to modify anyone's opinion. i am trying to understand yours and ask questions. make of that what you will.
Oh, you do read exactly like Brigette from Tastittv.
Oh, you do read exactly like Brigette from Tastittv.
again, i don't know who that is. so i'll just say "thanks"?
Brigette we don't need to know the reasoning behind your opinions, though we kinda understand what influences it.
I think Dstarpro sent her here seeing as she is trying to help(sticking her nose in people's buisness ONCE again) with an interview.
my name is not brigette, and i don't know anyone by that name.
we don't need to know the reasoning behind your opinions, though we kinda understand what influences it.
i have been asked for the reasoning, hence i am giving it. what do you mean, you "kinda understand what influences it"?
I think you're right Lynn. I suppose she can't admit who she is.
ok, once and for all:
i am not "jessica" or "brigette", i have not been "sent here" by "dstarpro", who i do not know, either.
i have never commented on here before, there is no reason to jump to conclusions again.
now that that is out of the way - you still haven't answered my questions. why don't you?
as i said before, i get that mcr's promotion and marketing strategies are confusing. i do not consider them executed well a lot of times, as well. but how is that the band's fault? wh do you not simply say: "oh, this is ridiculous, i don't care about this anymore, i'll go and listen to slayer instead"? why does this warrant all this polemic speech about the band's members and details of their lives that you cannot even know about?
You seem very upset.
You seem very upset.
no, i am fine. don't worry.
So you don't know Jessicka or Dstarpro or Mayo and this is the first time you commented here. Are you not the same person that said you get get called troll when you come here?
So you don't know Jessicka or Dstarpro or Mayo and this is the first time you commented here. Are you not the same person that said you get get called troll when you come here?
correct. and yes, i have been called a troll, look a few entries back. that's what i am referring to.
I'm not worried, only concerned and you seemed very worked up about this blog.
I'm not worried, only concerned and you seemed very worked up about this blog.
don't be, it's ok. i am not worked up, just interested. :)
i do not consider them executed well a lot of times, as well. but how is that the band's fault? wh do you not simply say: "oh, this is ridiculous, i don't care about this anymore, i'll go and listen to slayer instead"? why does this warrant all this polemic speech about the band's members and details of their lives that you cannot even know about?
Using your reasoning why don't you say that's the blog where they assume things which I don't agree with so I'II just go and read another blog.
Using your reasoning why don't you say that's the blog where they assume things which I don't agree with so I'II just go and read another blog.
well, like i said, i am interested in the reasons.
what's your excuse?
That's not a reason
how is it not a reason?
Justify it.
justify a reason? you're confusing.
but i can reword it for you:
my motivation is that i am interested in finding out why you post the things you post.
now: what is your motivation in posting them?
My motivation is finding out why you are so interested in finding reasons behind what is posted here.
Your turn.
Not Laura btw.
My motivation is finding out why you are so interested in finding reasons behind what is posted here.
i am interested in them, because i do not understand the motivation behind this blog. hence i am asking questions.
but does that mean you do not contribute to this blog otherwise? i can surely not be your only motivation to be here.
can you explain the reasons behind the allegations made here to me?
Allegations? I would not use that term. As an anon said earlier they are opinions. Who are you directing your questions to?
Allegations? I would not use that term. As an anon said earlier they are opinions. Who are you directing your questions to?
i called them allegations, because i could not find a reason for them. opinions do have reasons, so i refrained from using that term. if they are opinions, like you say, then what do they come from? what are they based on?
i am directing these questions to all of you who contribute to this blog with these kind of statements. i do not know your names, so i am asking all of you.
The blog started off out of concern about Gerard Way as people thought he was battling another form of addiction due to what seemed at the time, irrational behavior. As time went by, the band rejected everything they stood for and we concluded that they may have created an image that appealed to young fans to what many of us believe was just to procure money. Now people just laugh at them.
i called them allegations, because i could not find a reason for them. opinions do have reasons, so i refrained from using that term.
I suggest you read the whole blog. You will have a clearer picture and some answers to your questions.
Your terminology is incorrect. We are not trying to prove anything they are opinions.
thank you.
yes, i got the idea that you are disappointed in the band's behaviour. if that's what you feel like, then i will not judge you. i simply don't understand why this warrants all this strange hostility on here, even towards people hardly involved in all of this, like lindsey. it's like they cannot win, whatever they do. and i am wondering why you invest so much energy in this, since you must know that this will lead to nothing. so i was hoping for a bit more... substance.
it's a difference between making decisions and drawing conclusions from things that can be accounted for or just from things that cannot be proven.
again, why don't you give them the benefit of the doubt?
i have read most of the blogs on here from time to time, but still... i don't know.
We are not trying to prove anything they are opinions.
oh no, you don't have to "prove" anything. but your opinions must have a basis, right? that's what i was asking for. sorry if that wasn't clear.
this blog is not intended to lead to anything. as for the basis 6:34 explains it. The comments here would be no different to you tube or other celeb sites. Iindsey's own behavior has led to how we perceive her.
your comments do however exceed usual commentary by far.
so is this whole blog just a means to channel diffuse frustration and vent it at the expense of someone you don't even know?
i got the feeling that some of you are smarter than that.
the problem is what one of you has posted on here earlier - you reap what you sow. and you should be prepared to be able to back up any statements you make publically. especially if they are bordering on defaming someone (sorry for the harsh choice of words, but i am trying to make my point clear), based simply on their existence.
if that is really the only reason for this, then what the hell are you still doing here?
Okay, so I just posted a huge comment, but blogger ate it. Hmm...
Luckily I saved it so I'll post it again. If it shows up twice, sorry about that. :/
This is ridiculous. If you start at the beginning and read through the posts and comments, you will get all the answers you are looking for.
This place is here for people to vent their frustrations over having been duped by this band. Many of the people here have not been here since the beginning and many of the ones who were here in the beginning have moved on.
Even Verita has said that she isn't interested in MCR anymore and at one point was going to close this blog down, but people asked her to keep it going for those who still wanted to vent and for new people coming in.
We have every right to be angry with MCR and every right to express it. We also have reason to dislike Lindsey in that she is in MSI and because she tried to pass herself off as a feminist and role model by spouting off some ridiculous crap at the beginning of her marriage to Gerard that had young girls thinking they could "make it" in the music world by dressing up as a schoolgirl and learning to backbend (as opposed to learning an actual instrument). Case in point: NanZ (And yeah, I realize you probably aren't familiar with her either, but like I said before -- go and back read.)
Not everyone here will attack you for your opinions and not everyone here is into one liners and throwing out insults against Lindsey that they can't back up. In fact, there are few of those here. They just come around when there are no other regulars to call them out.
The gripes we do have about Lindsey are genuine and have nothing to do with her being an artist or a stay-at-home mom (with the exception of a few trolls who will use any excuse to trash her -- but they don't represent the majority opinion of the regs here).
I have done nothing wrong here except express my opinions about MCR turning their backs on their old "message" which actually turned out to be a marketing scheme. Nor do I regret calling Gerard out on his lies or calling Frank out on his misogynistic and racist tweets.
Therefore, I have nothing to "reap". But thanks for your concern.
you have been on here for hours, so you could say you are expending so much energy for such a trival blog. I think you are jumping to conclusions. Anyone could say that as an observation. I have read even worse things about celebrities on other sites which i would use that term. I dont understand why you are so fixed about this place.
Why does blogger keep eating my comment? Strange.
But anyway, if you are addressing me, I have not been here for hours. I just got out of bed. Lol.
Reading back, it looks like you are the one who has been here for hours. Why are you so concerned with what people say here that you would do that?
hi, thanks for answering.
that is an understandable reaction on your part. i have made my motivation clear - i would like to understand you. that is why i am here. i will not be here forever, of course, but it's the weekend, i am sick at home and do not have to work today and i stumbled upon this blog, so for now this is what i am interested in.
please explain how i am jumping to conclusions? i am asking you if my idea of this blog is correct. i am not stating it as the truth. i am happy to be corrected on that. please do so!
Reading back, it looks like you are the one who has been here for hours. Why are you so concerned with what people say here that you would do that?
Sorry, I thought you were the other anon but then realized you were using capitals.
7:44 was not me, 7:47.
i think you got us confused :)
7:44 was not me, 7:47.
i think you got us confused :)
Yes, I know that now. I'm just so perplexed that my comment keeps disappearing.
Stupid blogger.
I like you questioning anon. I find your intelligence refreshing and I respect your logic.
I think you will find that many here are disillusioned by the change in MCR and that change appeared to start when Gerard met Lindsey. I guess there are those that subconsciously blame her for everything that has gone wrong since.
Well, that's my opinion anyway for what it's worth.
hi, thank you.
so is lindsey your personal yoko ono?
but how is she responsible for gerard's addiction or the course the band has taken? how could she be? isn't that too much credit?
and regarding change - if you are referring to the new concept they came up with for the record: i have yet to see a band or artist who stuck around for a longer period of time who did not try to reinvent themselves in some way. more often than not, the fans are alienated at first, but many give the new material a fair chance if they are true fans.
equalizing an artist's art with their personal lives or character seems a bit sketchy. some, like beyonce, for example, even have alter egos. david bowie wasn't ziggy stardust, he just portrayed that character. jimmy urine is only playing a character on stage, i am pretty he doesn't go grocery shopping swearing erratically at the cashiers (without a reason at least;)). the beatles did not run around in sergeant pepper's uniforms all day. and mcr certainly do not shoot people with water guns at the dentist's.
artists are human, too. as i said before, they are not infailible. you will gain nothing by demanding them to be.
and it's a show. it's art. like it or not. but if you do not understand it, then ask instead of jumping to conclusions or blaming random people. and if you don't like it, then don't. but if you criticize, back it up.
so is lindsey your personal yoko ono?
but how is she responsible for gerard's addiction or the course the band has taken? how could she be? isn't that too much credit?
No she is not.
It has been said to you before that not everyone blames Lindsey for anything. We have reasons why we don't like her but not everyone blames her for Gerard's actions.
The commenter merely said that some people transfer their frustration and anger onto her. In my opinion, it is misplaced.
Are you really so dense as to think that we were confusing MCR's Black Parade personas with the real members of MCR?
The things that this band has gone back on were not the things they sang about onstage. They were things they talked about in interviews. Things they said they stood for.
We have spent years backing up our comments here with evidence. Go and back read.
ok, sorry, i didn't mean to imply that all of you think that way. i understand that some of you, including yourself, do not.
i was only trying to understand why she is so disliked here.
Lindsey is disliked because she tried to pass herself off as a role model to young girls. She did interviews where she talked about how it was okay if you couldn't really play an instrument just as long as you put yourself out there. She even went so far as to say that even though she wasn't much of a bass player, she dared those criticizing her to try playing the bass and doing a backbend at the same time.
In other words, if you can hold a bass and pretend to play it (while a pre-recorded track plays in the background) while doing a backbend, you don't have to really know how to play it.
Are you really so dense as to think that we were confusing MCR's Black Parade personas with the real members of MCR?
The things that this band has gone back on were not the things they sang about onstage. They were things they talked about in interviews. Things they said they stood for.
We have spent years backing up our comments here with evidence. Go and back read.
no, i am not that dense, no need to get personal here. and that was not what i said. i wanted to make clear that they are people who have to be viewed separately from their art. some of you don't really do that.
i have in fact read back on here and i could not find any "evidence", just accusations. again - that is why i was asking these questions in the first place.
so they have changed their mind. they have contradicted their own statements they did years ago. do you not do that? what entitles you to demand them to be infailible?
can i assume you depended so much on some promotional message that you are so disappointed you have to resort to unfounded bitterness? please tell me that's not all there is on your part.
Also, the fact that Lindsey is a member of MSI is enough for most of us to dislike her. We do not like MSI's lyrics. We don't like their use of racist and misogynist terms in their lyrics and we don't buy the notion that they're trying to be "ironic" or "satirical" or any of the other excuses that MSI/MCR fans make.
Once again, this does not automatically mean that Lindsey is responsible for the fact that the members of MCR lied to us about the kind of people they are. Gerard and Frank are grown men and they chose to do that all on their own.
In other words, if you can hold a bass and pretend to play it (while a pre-recorded track plays in the background) while doing a backbend, you don't have to really know how to play it.
ok, i can see why some of you might not like that message. and i could counter this by throwing sid vicious on the table. but then again, i won't. i'd rather try to see this statement from another point of view:
if holding a bass and doing backbends gets across the right message (you can be whatever you like and be happy, even if you do not have an exceptional talent), what's wrong with it?
can i assume you depended so much on some promotional message that you are so disappointed you have to resort to unfounded bitterness? please tell me that's not all there is on your part.
No, you cannot assume that. MCR was never that important to me.
I just don't appreciate being lied to. I don't appreciate the fact that I spent money on their music and their merch when they didn't care enough about their fanbase to tell them the truth.
ok, i can see why some of you might not like that message. and i could counter this by throwing sid vicious on the table. but then again, i won't. i'd rather try to see this statement from another point of view:
if holding a bass and doing backbends gets across the right message (you can be whatever you like and be happy, even if you do not have an exceptional talent), what's wrong with it?
But Sid Vicious never tried to present himself as a role model.
Also, the fact that Lindsey is a member of MSI is enough for most of us to dislike her. We do not like MSI's lyrics. We don't like their use of racist and misogynist terms in their lyrics and we don't buy the notion that they're trying to be "ironic" or "satirical" or any of the other excuses that MSI/MCR fans make.
Once again, this does not automatically mean that Lindsey is responsible for the fact that the members of MCR lied to us about the kind of people they are. Gerard and Frank are grown men and they chose to do that all on their own.
i see, thank you. so you don't like her band, fair enough. i have only seen them once live (by accident, in fact, as i did not know who would be performing), and i can understand that they stir up some controversy. that's fine, that's your decision.
MCR was never about their "art" so much in the beginning as they were about their "message". Go back and watch LOTMS and then come back here and say they weren't trying to present themselves as some kind of role models/saviors for the young kids who listened to them. Read some of the "inspirational" speeches that Gerard gave onstage back during the Revenge era.
Many people were drawn to this band because of this message. To find out that it was fake is to find out that you were duped. This band took its fans for a ride so they could cash in on their vulnerability. That's wrong and it has absolutely nothing to do with art.
I don't care what this band does from now on. I won't buy their music and I won't go to their shows.
No, you cannot assume that. MCR was never that important to me.
I just don't appreciate being lied to. I don't appreciate the fact that I spent money on their music and their merch when they didn't care enough about their fanbase to tell them the truth.
good, because i really did not want to assume that. i get that you feel lied to, i really do.
but i do not get why them changing their minds on some things is such a terrible thing for you. so you enjoyed their art and music for some time, and it still might mean something to you, and that is great.
but great art can be made by really stupid people. and those people can let you down.
and the most important thing is: they don't have to tell you the truth. what you consider "the truth" might only be a fraction of it anyway. take their documentary for example, that is not them. that is what the management wants you to perceive them as.
and artists and musicians will always say the stupidest things to sell their shit. they all do. every record is the greatest ever made. every artist they collaborate with is the biggest inspiration ever. until the next one comes along. that is how records are sold.
i have to say that yes, their message about "saving lives" is really over the top (however it is painfully pandering to confused teenagers) and hard to follow through, but who cares if they change? wouldn't it be much more terrible if they never did?
But Sid Vicious never tried to present himself as a role model.
sid vicious was THE punk rock poster boy. just like lindsey wants to be the feminist rawk chick poster girl, like you say. it all depends on the target group.
sid vicious was THE punk rock poster boy. just like lindsey wants to be the feminist rawk chick poster girl, like you say. it all depends on the target group.
Does not matter. Sid Vicious never once said in an interview, "Hey, guys. You don't have to learn to play an instrument. Just go out there and do like me!"
Lindsey did.
Therefore your argument is invalid.
Also, Lindsey isn't the "poster girl" for anything. MSI isn't that famous.
No, they don't have to "tell the truth" but does that mean that they have to tell blatant lies?
They don't "have" to do anything. And we don't "have" to like them or forgive them for lying to us. We also don't "have" to buy their stupid excuse for "art". Because, quite frankly, even if I still thought they were nice guys, I'd think this latest concept was stupid.
I also don't really have to justify my feelings to you either, but hopefully I was of some help.
And now I'm done. I have Sunday afternoon things to do.
I hope you found your answers.
MCR was never about their "art" so much in the beginning as they were about their "message". Go back and watch LOTMS and then come back here and say they weren't trying to present themselves as some kind of role models/saviors for the young kids who listened to them. Read some of the "inspirational" speeches that Gerard gave onstage back during the Revenge era.
Many people were drawn to this band because of this message. To find out that it was fake is to find out that you were duped. This band took its fans for a ride so they could cash in on their vulnerability. That's wrong and it has absolutely nothing to do with art.
I don't care what this band does from now on. I won't buy their music and I won't go to their shows.
but that's my point! the message is their art! it's an important part of it! their whole persona as a band was based on that. that has to be distinguished (and i can see how that is difficult for confused mid-puberty teenagers, i really can!). it wasn't fake back then.
but now they have evolved. now their message has changed and maybe drifted into the background. maybe they cannot stand behind it anymore, maybe they do not want to anymore, maybe they have just grown out of it.
that happens. that does not mean that anyone is entitled to condemn them for it.
they are just humans.
and their marketing team needs coaching.
I also don't really have to justify my feelings to you either, but hopefully I was of some help.
right, you don't have to do anything, just like them.
thank you for your input :) and have a nice sunday.
but now they have evolved. now their message has changed and maybe drifted into the background. maybe they cannot stand behind it anymore, maybe they do not want to anymore, maybe they have just grown out of it.
Sorry, but I don't buy that. I don't believe their "message" was ever real. It was contrived from the beginning. People don't "change" that much. They were just pretending to be something they were not.
And now I really do have to go.
Sorry, but I don't buy that. I don't believe their "message" was ever real. It was contrived from the beginning. People don't "change" that much. They were just pretending to be something they were not.
how do you know that? i would assume (in dubio pro reo) that gerard was honestly convinced he was able to change something with this band in the beginning.
additionally, their marketing team jumped on the bandwagon when they saw that teenagers were buying it.
and i would also assume that this was simply too much to bear for the band in the long run. becoming the saviours of confused teenagers is a very, very difficult task, even for the most stable of personalities.
i, of course, do not know if this is true, but i grant them the benefit of the doubt.
You have been here for nearly a full day now. I think you know them.
You will probably come back and say you don't. I'm not giving you the benefit of the doubt. Not everything can be justified and people do rely on gut reactions.
Are you from their marketing or legal team?
Apparently, the new MCR world tour is gonna be called "The World Contamination Tour"
'Contamination' is very appropriate.
how do you know that? i would assume (in dubio pro reo) that gerard was honestly convinced he was able to change something with this band in the beginning.
additionally, their marketing team jumped on the bandwagon when they saw that teenagers were buying it.
and i would also assume that this was simply too much to bear for the band in the long run. becoming the saviours of confused teenagers is a very, very difficult task, even for the most stable of personalities.
i, of course, do not know if this is true, but i grant them the benefit of the doubt.
We don't share the same opinion as you.
Sorry, but I don't buy that. I don't believe their "message" was ever real. It was contrived from the beginning. People don't "change" that much. They were just pretending to be something they were not.
^This
additionally, their marketing team jumped on the bandwagon when they saw that teenagers were buying it.and i would also assume that this was simply too much to bear for the band in the long run. becoming the saviours of confused teenagers is a very, very difficult task, even for the most stable of personalities.
Then you do see things the same way we do. You are entertaining the possibility it may have been a created image to solely sell records.
MCR's message in the beginning (bullets) was clear.
It was about the music and the party.
As for their supposed Revenge / LOTMS era message
How could anyone really believe that those boys were trying to save the world when they were so obviously struggling to simply save themselves and help each other stay afloat?
Many parts of that DVD are hard to watch. It's like watching a train wreck. Watching the survivors struggling to free themselves from the wreckage.
i have to say that yes, their message about "saving lives" is really over the top (however it is painfully pandering to confused teenagers) and hard to follow through, but who cares if they change? wouldn't it be much more terrible if they never did?
Are you saying they can do anything and it's okay? We should constantly give them the 'benefit of the doubt'? For examples like when GW told his mainly teenage audience to "go f themselves" and more recently on one of their created twitter accounts when a character called Party Poison twitter to a girl she was a c.
And FranK Iero the obnoxious things he tweeted about coat hangers and women getting punched.
Then you do see things the same way we do. You are entertaining the possibility it may have been a created image to solely sell records.
Yes. But who do you think created that image?
Who do you think came up with the idea for such a personal, private look inside the band members' lives? Inside their struggles? Especially Gerard's.
Who cut and edited the DVD?
Who thought it would be a great way to sell more merch if the band's struggles with alcoholism, depression and suicide were exploited?
Yes. The members of MCR signed on for that and agreed to film that DVD but I highly doubt the ultimate message was their idea.
Boy plays music.
Boy has low self esteem.
Boy turns to alcohol and drugs to cope.
Boy makes ass of himself in public.
Boy fights back.
Band of brothers rally around boy.
Boy sees the light.
Boy seeks help.
Boy recovers.
Boy and band are heros and idols to hundreds of thousands.
It is an inspirational story and if it helped people with their struggles than I think that the showing was worth it. Even if it was a for profit telling/showing.
And you can't really blame the label, management or promo teams either. The music business isn't a charity. Its goal is to make money. To sell a product.
Thank you 2:07 it appears this blog has been vindicated.
I hope boys self esteem is better now.
I'm not so sure I represent this blog. I only post occasionally and I've been called a troll for having a dissenting opinion a few times myself.
But you're welcome anywho. :)
what is this blog based on? what have the people you are writing about (mcr, lindsey, etc) done to you that justifies the allegations you make? why do you not back them up when someone asks you to?
Because it is all here, in the blog, every past post that was made here. Look it up yourself, read back. No one has time to explain it all to you word for word. It is all right there for you to read.
Judging by the way boy was shaking that ass in the new video teaser I would think SE is better now.
I liked boy better with low self esteem.
The members of MCR signed on for that and agreed to film that DVD but I highly doubt the ultimate message was their idea.
But whose idea was it for Gerard to give his inspirational speeches to young girls about not showing their tits for backstage passes? Who was it that decided it was a good idea for him to tell girls they were beautiful no matter what their size? Whose idea was it to make anti-homophobic rants onstage?
And then who turned around and told young girls to "go fuck themselves" and who hooked up with MSI with their hateful lyrics?
And when did the band decide it was okay for one of their members to make offensive misogynistic tweets?
I think you are too willing to let the members of MCR off the hook. They are not the innocents you want to believe they are.
So you don't know Jessicka or Dstarpro or Mayo and this is the first time you commented here. Are you not the same person that said you get get called troll when you come here?
correct. and yes, i have been called a troll, look a few entries back. that's what i am referring to
You said this is the first time you have commented here which is a lie because you also said you get called a troll when you do comment here.
I'm not sure I buy the whole suicidal depression, low esteem storyline from LOTMS. Yeah, sure, Gerard had a drinking problem, but I've never known anybody to just up and quit drinking and doing drugs cold turkey like that without rehab and without relapse.
I'm not sure the whole thing wasn't a marketing scheme. I think that's why Bert McCracken wouldn't have anything to do with Gerard afterwards because he knew Gerard was making the whole thing up.
And no, I don't know this for sure, but it wouldn't surprise me at all. The members of this band have proven themselves to be untrustworthy so I take everything they've ever said with a teaspoon or two of salt.
Oh poor, poor MCR. They're just pawns of their label and marketing people, right?
So if that's the case, what does that have to say about their so-called "art"?
I'm not sure I buy the whole suicidal depression, low esteem storyline from LOTMS. Yeah, sure, Gerard had a drinking problem, but I've never known anybody to just up and quit drinking and doing drugs cold turkey like that without rehab and without relapse.
This, this, a thousand times, THIS! I've always questioned that. If he had such low esteem how in the world did he manage such a near super-human feat?
I just think Gerard couldn't handle his liquor. They played it out like he was some tortured drunk so it would give him some edge. I'm sure that Gerard wasn't falling and killing trees everyday.:)
I just think Gerard couldn't handle his liquor. They played it out like he was some tortured drunk so it would give him some edge.
I think so too. If he was an alcoholic he would have had a much harder time kicking it than he did.
I think maybe he went on a bender and called Brian who told him he was going to kill himself if he didn't stop drinking so heavily and hence, the idea of poor, tortured, suicidal artist Gerard was born.
To the anon who just can't seem to grasp why people are here, why they are disappointed and why they can't just let it go, I'll do my very best to break it down for you.
MCR has always been a mediocre band at best. Ray has the musical talent, and at one time Gerard could string words together to make a pretty sentence. But there was nothing revolutionary about their music. During Bullet's they were more than open about being there for the party, and besides the occasional reference to 9/11, there was nothing that separated them from other bands on the scene at the time.
Enter Reprise and a major label deal. Whether or not it was the label's idea, Brian S's idea, or MCR's idea to create a persona around the band that included being life savors is irrelevant. Because at the end of the day MCR did adapt that message. They were the ones who said at shows, and on LOTMS that they were the band to save people's lives. They wanted kids to know that they were just as fucked up and confused as the band themselves. They developed this sort of kinship between themselves and their audience. All the time knowing that the majority of their audience were impressionable, hormonal teenagers who are in constant search for something to follow and believe in. And what happened? Revenge started selling, more people were coming to shows, and MCR were able to spend more money on their next studio album and tour.
Somewhere along the way they realized they had enough money stashed away that they didn't need to keep spewing bullshit in order to sell more records. The teenagers had served their purpose and now it was time to attract fans who weren't quite so...embarrassing? They knew full well that few of their musical peers took them seriously because of the primarily female teenage audience. Well, Gerard seems to crave critical acceptance, and as soon as he no longer needs that, he pisses on his bands projects like they were the biggest mistake of his life, or retracts the message intended to pull people in.
Anon, the bottom line is that changing their musical style, the way they dress, or who they marry, isn't the issue. I'm all for someone experimenting with a new sound. If I were still a fan of this band, I would even be excited by this colorful new change. But dropping all convictions, and abandoning the message that meant so much to people, because you no longer want or need those fans, has nothing to do with being true to art, and everything to do with being a money hungry swindler.
They were deceptive in their message in order to sell their product. Maybe that's not a big deal to you, but to a lot of us, it is! And you can't say that they simply grew out of their message, because their message was really just a set of morale values. Respect women, minorities, gays, straight whatever. Anyone able to drop their core set of beliefs that quickly, never believed in them in the first place. You don't have to understand it, and I have no idea why I just spent 10 minutes trying to explain it, except that you continued to demand an explanation for why we felt the way we do. I hope this was an explanation you can live with.
I'm sure that Gerard wasn't falling and killing trees everyday.:)
Are you serious? You think that's what alcoholics look like everyday?
You think that it's necessary to drink to that extent and display that type of behavior everyday to be an alcoholic?
You can't be serious.
That's like saying you have to hit your wife or children every day to be a real abuser.
It's Ridiculous.
I think so too. If he was an alcoholic he would have had a much harder time kicking it than he did.
No words.
That's like saying you have to hit your wife or children every day to be a real abuser.
It's Ridiculous.
You obviously don't know what you are talking about.
Alcoholism is an addiction. It's different from having a drinking problem. It's different from being a binge drinker.
Alcoholics have a physical dependency on alcohol and they rarely are capable of stopping without some type of intervention -- usually rehab.
Do some research.
Gerard kicked the habit much too easily. I seriously doubt that he had a physical dependence which means that he is not an alcoholic.
That's like saying you have to hit your wife or children every day to be a real abuser.
No it's not.
Alcoholism is a disease. Spousal or child abuse is not.
speechless
the bottom line is that changing their musical style, the way they dress, or who they marry, isn't the issue. I'm all for someone experimenting with a new sound. If I were still a fan of this band, I would even be excited by this colorful new change. But dropping all convictions, and abandoning the message that meant so much to people, because you no longer want or need those fans, has nothing to do with being true to art, and everything to do with being a money hungry swindler.
This. Exactly.
speechless
You might wanna go have that checked out.
speechless
You might wanna go have that checked out.
I lol'd.
Were you speechless when Frank made that abortion comment?
Are you serious? You think that's what alcoholics look like everyday?
Usually alcholics don't fall into trees and have their pants fall down aroung you ankles.If you can't handle alcohol you do. I'm not an alcoholic and i hardly drink but i have a low tolerence for it and i have winded up looking like an ass.
Actually I don't think Gerard has ever come right out and said that he is an 'alcoholic'. He said in LOTMS that he had the 'potential' to be a spectacular alcoholic (or something like that). He probably considers himself to have been a substance 'abuser' which is not the same thing as an addict.
I personally think he was just a binge drinker/drug abuser.
My dad was an alcoholic and he could put away the booze, let me tell you. Thing is, he could drink half a bottle of scotch and you wouldn't even know he'd been drinking.
Alcoholics usually aren't the people who are falling into things. They drink on the sly, not so much out in the open.
Yup. They try to hide their disease in most cases.
They don't sell it to teenagers.
You're welcome, 2:35am.
hey guys, dya remember lynz's art show that got postponed? Well, since some UK fans had made travel arrangement to see that show, Lynz invited them to her studio and get gerard to meet the fans instead.
hey guys, dya remember lynz's art show that got postponed? Well, since some UK fans had made travel arrangement to see that show, Lynz invited them to her studio and get gerard to meet the fans instead.
Which proves that most of her "fans" are only interested in Gerard.
I'm not even caught up in the comments, and I still don't get the agenda. If you hate them so much, why do you care? Just get over it and forget they exist and go back to your lives.
IDK about the others, but I cme here to rant about stuff that i can't say on other mcr sites. as we all know, MCR fans are not forgiving when it comes to having different opinion than what lord gerard wants them to have.
Some MCR fans are really scary. I heard some of them gets locked out of youtube (for playing that trailer video on endless loop to make it # 1 on youtube chart) and banned on facebook (for spamming mcr official facebook page).
Which proves that most of her "fans" are only interested in Gerard.
That's not any news to us.
I'm not even caught up in the comments, and I still don't get the agenda. If you hate them so much, why do you care? Just get over it and forget they exist and go back to your lives.
Anon just get over the blog and get on with your life.
Who do you think will be their "support act" on the 'World Contamination Tour'? I think it might be their bosom buddies James and Dr Death Defying aka The Left-rights.
Whats "The Left Rights?" JU's side project or smtg?
I like their new concept, with the characters and all, but when fans confirmed that Dr Death Defying is Steve Righ, i just lost it. I hate MSI and now their paws are everywhere on MCR's new records. x[
I'm willing to bet GW might be 'contaminated' with a tattoo when he rolls up on stage for his dangerous tour. My guess is he would get a spider or a chicken with a spider over it.
My guess is he would get a spider or a chicken with a spider over it.
For his amaaaaaazing wife.
I like their new concept, with the characters and all, but when fans confirmed that Dr Death Defying is Steve Righ, i just lost it. I hate MSI and now their paws are everywhere on MCR's new records. x[
Maybe he should change his name to Gerard Urine.
Gerard dangerouse Urine
I'm not even caught up in the comments, and I still don't get the agenda. If you hate them so much, why do you care? Just get over it and forget they exist and go back to your lives.
I haven't been commenting here long and my guess is that a lot of the people who comment here are kind of new. If you go back and read old blogs, you'll see that a lot of the people who were here from the beginning have forgotten about the band and gone on. Some of us just got here and haven't gotten to that point yet.
I'm glad Verita has kept this blog open for those of us who have just seen the light about MCR. We need a place to express our opinions. Once we do get over our anger, we'll do like countless others have done and move on.
Now, what's your deal that you can't seem to forget this blog exists and move on?
Maybe he should change his name to Gerard Urine.
Gerard is "Party Poison" now. Mikey is "Kobra". Not sure about Ray and Frank tho.
MCR just announced their tour dates and for a band who claims to be an all-American band, they're only playing in the UK, France and Germany.
They scrapped their love letter to rock n'roll now they're contaminating everyone. Now who would help them come up with that concept?
MCR just announced their tour dates and for a band who claims to be an all-American band, they're only playing in the UK, France and Germany.
They usually start their world tours in Europe don't they? That's how TBP tour started. I figure they'll start touring the US in the spring. We're not so lucky that they wouldn't show up here at all.
Gerard is "Party Poison" now. Mikey is "Kobra".
Kobra??
MCR just announced their tour dates and for a band who claims to be an all-American band, they're only playing in the UK, France and Germany.
They just look like a handful of pre album release gigs. Testing the new material.
Lol @Gerard telling a fan to go eat a bag of shit and sharp glass on twitter. He's been taking lessons from Frank, obvs.
It is an inspirational story and if it helped people with their struggles than I think that the showing was worth it. Even if it was a for profit telling/showing.
Are you serious? You are saying that it's ethical in business to concoct an image because the basic premise has a good message even though it may be purely a way of selling a product and not a true representation of the product itself?
Lol @Gerard telling a fan to go eat a bag of shit and sharp glass on twitter. He's been taking lessons from Frank, obvs.
Stupid idiot.
I don't know what's worse, this tweet or the fact that over 100 people have retweeted it. :/
Why do you think it is bad?
@gerardway It's funny how now you want to message everyone on Twitter now that you need us to buy your CD, concert tix, and merch
Sounds like she was only saying the truth. People come here and worry about us hurting the bands feelings. If someone would tweet a young girl telling the TRUTH, to eat a bad of shit and glass, then i don't give a shit if it does hurt his feelings.
I don't understand why Gerard is giving this person free publicity.
The person he tweeted that too has a twitter full of white supremacist b.s.
It's almost like Gerard is trying to come off as anti-white supremacist all of a sudden by talking to her/him this way.
Gerard Urine: go eat a bag of shit and sharp glass
He's sooo macho
Hm, I'm certainly not a fan of her TRUTH. Accept that you have the right to disagree, Lynn.
It gets scary here sometimes...
It's almost like Gerard is trying to come off as anti-white supremacist all of a sudden by talking to her/him this way.
What so shocking? Look what Frank has said, look what his best friend Jimmy Urine writes about in his music.
Hm, I'm certainly not a fan of her TRUTH. Accept that you have the right to disagree, Lynn.
It gets scary here sometimes...
I'm sure Lynn was not aware of the other content in that fan's twitter. The "truth" she was talking about was how Gerard only tweets when he's trying to sell something. You know that part is true.
Gerard probably didn't even read that girl's twitter before he said that to her. He was just responding in the "it's art, suck it" vein.
I just looked at her twitter and she does seem disturbed but i doubt Gerard read it and tweeted that because of what she said.
Sure.
How are you so certain what Lynn was aware of?
Seriously, the best thing Gerard could have done would have been to ignore that person. Instead he has everyone in his fanbase looking at her hate speech.
I'm sure Lynn was not aware of the other content in that fan's twitter
Yes!
Gerard probably didn't even read that girl's twitter before he said that to her. He was just responding in the "it's art, suck it" vein.
Yes! I'm kinda slow today!
I just checked the girls twitter and she follows MCR. I wonder how I person who has those notions follows MCR? Maybe an MSI fan from the beginning?
How are you so certain what Lynn was aware of?
I have had many conversations with Lynn here and I know she's not a white supremacist.
Plus, the first time I saw that tweet it was on ONTD and I didn't go look at the girl's twitter either. In fact, I only looked at it after somebody here pointed out that she was a white supremacist.
I have had many conversations with Lynn here and I know she's not a white supremacist.
Thank you! I don't think Gerard knew she was either. She tweeted exactly what i always thought about him only responding to people when he needed them.
Why would a person who appears to believe in white supremacy follow MCR?
She tweeted exactly what i always thought about him only responding to people when he needed them.
IMO that part she got right.
Hm, I'm certainly not a fan of her TRUTH. Accept that you have the right to disagree, Lynn.
It gets scary here sometimes...
Wonder why you're the only one that came to that conclusion?
Well, Jimmy did refer to MCR to being like Hitler! (JOKING) Gerard would have never tweeted anything like that if he was not influenced by the people around him. I doubt he grew a set of balls while they have been on break.
Hm, I'm certainly not a fan of her TRUTH. Accept that you have the right to disagree, Lynn.
It gets scary here sometimes...
This is the question you should be asking
Why would a person who appears to believe in white supremacy follow MCR?
Could the road lead back to MSI? Now that's scary.
People with real balls don't tweet that. He is developing a stupidity similar to his chicken armed wife.
I guess he was pissed because his video didn't make it to #1.
@gerardway How very @PerezHilton of you! Ha xoxo
about 1 hour ago via web in reply to gerardway
I wonder if Perez means that Gerard is a douchebag like he is.^_~
From Brian's twitter
@Psizedmotorbaby So make that your avatar. Anything besides Kurt Cobain. Oh wait....
LOL! Her avatar is a pic of Gerard. Burn!
Lol, Gerard does look like he's trying to copy the Kurt Cobain Kool-aid hair dye trick.
But then he's always copying somebody.
http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l92c60fqDW1qaal4ko1_500.png
has anyone seen this last statement mr. way has said against a fan?
so unprofessional.
what an asshole.
so geetard is now following steve and so is dimz...
steve isnt following them thou maybe she really did quit msi?
http://twitter.com/steverigh/following
He sounds like a kindergarten kid.
99% of people who follows steve righ's twitter are mcr fans.
There is nothing surprising about G Urine following Steve Righ. They're kindred spirits.
Maybe they'll start blowing kisses to each over twitter.
*other
so unprofessional.
Yep
Don't insult kindergarten children, it's not their fault.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/12/magazine/12fob-consumed-t.html?_r=2&ref=magazine
reverb, that the shirts, caps, key chains and cozies that once served as promotional collateral may have greater value to potential customers than recorded songs. “We used to give many of these tchotchke items away for free in an effort to entice people to pay for the music,” Megan Jasper said. “But we’re considering flipping our strategy so that people pay for the toy and receive the music for free. Just a thought.”
Killjoys = merch
and receive the music for free. Just a thought.
It's a thought Trent Reznor had years ago and has been practicing for years.
People are going to steal and rip your music so you might as well just give it away.
The money is in the merch. In the physical products people want to hold in their hands, put on their shelves, watch more than once or twice, or wear.
The internet. Best thing to happen to everyone in the world except musicians and writers.
Grant Morrison In New Chemical Romance Video
Submitted by Rich Johnston on September 17, 2010 – 5:03 pm (21)
In 2007 Gerard Way of My Chemical Romance created the comic Umbrella Academy for Dark Horse Comics. It was seen as very inspired by Grant Morrison’s run on Doom Patrol. Way cited Morrison as a major influence.
In 2008, Gerard Way and Grant Morrison appeared on a panel together at San Diego. In which…
When asked if Way and Morrison had thought about collaborating on something, Way said they almost made a My Chemical Romance video together, for the song “Momma” off of “The Black Parade.” Morrison was going to play the devil. Some of their ideas for the video had the band being chased by wolves at one point, Liza Minnelli playing the Virgin Mary and Morrison as the devil yelling in Way’s face.
Unfortunately, the video was never made.
Well, in 2010, it has been. Or one fairly similar to it, foor the song Art Is The Weapon. Morrison is there. The band are chased by people in wolf cosplay. There’s stuff going on. Oh and Grant poses with a gun in a fascist uniform, What’s not to love?
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2010/09/17/grant-morrison-in-new-chemical-romance-video/
The rumor is true! Gerard is pregnant!
http://twitpic.com/2qp4h3
http://twitpic.com/2qp533
he probably is the real drdeathdefying but wtf is going on with the rest of this picture?
msi would be showboating this a lot more if steve was playing mcrs pet mascot. in fact i bet theyre wishing theyd thought of it themselves right about now given steves sudden burning itch to join twitter.
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