Oh my God, I had a whole post typed out and Blogger crashed and deleted it without saving a draft.
I forgot most of what I wrote so I have to start over.
I notice some of you talking about Laura Slessinger and her use of the N- Bomb recently. I saw some of the fall-out from that in the news too. And it made me think about what gets said to a lot of you sometimes.
We see a lot of MSICR fans saying that MSICR have the first amendment right to use whatever language they want and we have no right to stop them. I think once even Lyn-Z made a comment about "Thank God for the first amendment" when talking about her band's lyrics.
But I have always thought, no one is TRYING to take away their right to use hate speech. We have the right to our opinion too when it comes to lyrics that are racist, homophobic and misogynist.
This article about Laura Slessinger and the first amendment said a lot of what needs to be said here too.
These are the parts I wanted to quote.
• The First Amendment protects us from the government, and not from other Americans who disagree with what we have to say. “Congress shall make no law” — the first five words of the First Amendment — say it all: No government body can limit our rights to speak out. In this case, there’s no government action, just public outrage and pressure.
• Boycotts are also protected by the First Amendment. Dr. Laura complains about being “bullied” by those who might pressure her radio affiliates or advertisers, but boycotts are a time-honored use of the First Amendment to address perceived wrongs and have played a role in virtually every social movement in American history.
But the whole article is really good.
MSICR are allowed to use hate speech in their lyrics. MSICR fans are allowed to listen to those lyrics and interpret them any way they want. They can think they are about something else, if they want to. You interpret things however it makes sense to you.
YOU are also allowed to hate those lyrics, take them at face value (which the bands themselves always say), and to boycott them if you want..... forever if that's what you want.
There will always be arguments as long as there are lyrics, tweets, concerts and interviews with that kind of speech. There will be disagreements no matter what. But disagreeing is NOT the same thing as squashing someone else's rights.
I really thought that article said it better than I could have.
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«Oldest ‹Older 1201 – 1400 of 2260 Newer› Newest»I agree with you 4:04, it's Gaga influenced, only instead of dancing they are using ray guns.
Looks like the MSI folks have become part of the MCR publicity machine.
Apparently Steve Righ of MSI is in the video.
yes, teenage boys really hate apocalyptic stuff and ray guns.
Apparently Steve Righ of MSI is in the video.
Orly? Hardly surprising as they are virtually in-laws now. Let me guess: he's Dr Death Defying. Would explain why the MSI people are following him.
yes, teenage boys really hate apocalyptic stuff and ray guns.
Only a minority of teenage boys are into ray guns and the apocalypse.
All the guys I know are more into rap or metal.
I think they're only going to pull in more fangirls. Whoever said that Frank looks silly, well he does!
They could be aiming for the tween boy market.
I agree with you 4:04, it's Gaga influenced, only instead of dancing they are using ray guns.
^This. Can't they come up with their own original concept just once?
They ripped off GAGA!!!!!
Frank Iero looks like a munchkin with a ray gun and his "smoldering look" is ridiculous.
They could be aiming for the tween boy market.
I don't think that will work. My little brother (almost 13) just watched it and said it was "the lamest thing I've ever seen."
He didn't like the technicolor ray guns. He said they looked like water pistols for girls.
yes, teenage boys really hate apocalyptic stuff and ray guns.
Teenage boys do like sci-fi and comics, but not this rainbow shit with roller-blading "ladyboys."
I wonder where one gets bright red hair dye in a post-apocalyptic world?
Ray guns, really? From, like the 1950s? I believe teenage boys prefer Blasters.
I don't think that will work. My little brother (almost 13) just watched it and said it was "the lamest thing I've ever seen."
That's how the majority of teenage boys will react imo. Try telling them "Art is the weapon".
If they are trying to drop the thirteen year old fangirl this is not the way to do it.
Teenage boys do like sci-fi and comics, but not this rainbow shit with roller-blading "ladyboys."
Are they trying to tap into the gay market?
The video is a mixture of Lady Gaga, Mad Max and Buck Rodgers and or Logan's Run.
Apparently Steve Righ of MSI is in the video
Grant Morrison is the villian (hero) that chokes Gerard. Seriously, i wouldn't doubt if Jimmy and Steve are the dudes with the masks on.
I can't really even hear Gerard's voice. Is it just my computer malfunctioning or is it kind of drowned out by everything else that's going on?
And WTF with the technicolor toy guns?
i wouldn't doubt if Jimmy and Steve are the dudes with the masks on.
Absolutely pathetic and typical MCR.
They probably drowned it out on purpose. Yeah, the guns looked like water guns. I will say one nice thing about it and i will probably never live it down, but i liked Gerards hair.O_O
It reminds me of Gaga's telephone clip. The presentation, the technicolor, the whole comic feel of the video. And the references to the American flag.
Word's out that the video was made at the same location Gaga used for Telephone. No, they're not ripping off Gaga/sarcasm.
And so dimwitZ joins in...
'Art is the weapon'[translation] go see my wife's art show.
Did I tell you my wife is having an Art Show?
Ooops remembered, my wife is having an ART SHOW!!
Art is the weapon.Go see my wife's art.
Gerardway@lynzway The Aftermath is Secondary
Lynzway@gerardway YES!
The Album should have been named I love my wife Lindsey Ballato-Way with all my fucking heart and will never stop promoting her or band and her friends forever and ever-signed Killjoy Way
The Aftermath is Secondary
Like 'it's art suck it'
Steve Righ? is Dr. Death Defying. And even my friend, a hard core fan, is mortified. It's like Rainbow Brite on crack.
Nothing is surprising when you appear to be a group of money driven emotionally deficit people.
Chantelclaret@lynzway @gerardway I like seeing you two talk to each other on here, it's sweet....
It's so sweet when you can't even go into the next room to talk to your wife. Makes me feel all warm and mushy inside.
It's so sweet when you can't even go into the next room to talk to your wife. Makes me feel all warm and mushy inside.
He is a two-faced, wife ass-kissing jerk-off.
No one's mentioned the closs up of GW's ass yet. LOL!
No one's interested in his ass on this blog.
Lady G's motheris simply stunning.
It's clear where Gaga gets her looks from.
I can't wait for VV's next post!
Neither can I. She can talk about how he adopts the alias of Party Poison and call his fans cunts.
All for the love of his wife.
I just don't know about Gerard anymore. Maybe I'm not giving this album a chance but I don't understand why they took it in this direction when so many of us fans were hoping and expecting a return to the band's punk sound. I know I can't say this on any of the fan communities or I'll get crucified, but I am so disappointed I feel kind of sick to my stomach. I still wanted to believe in this band but it just feels like they don't care what the fans want. They just want to live in their self contained little arty world and to hell with the rest of us. I know I sound entitled, but I was one of those people who supported them through everything, Eliza, PR, the offensive tweets and now I feel like they just shoved a big fat middle finger at me. "Fuck you, we're going to be artists, not musicians. It's art so suck it."
I don't even. I think I'm done.
I think it kind of sounds like The Ramones.
I know I can't say this on any of the fan communities or I'll get crucified, but I am so disappointed I feel kind of sick to my stomach.
This. The fans don't even seem to be listening to the song. They're just watching the video and going OOOOH PRETTY!
The only similarity I see to The Ramones is the length of the video. Two minutes even.
I understand how some MCR fans will feel let down by this new cd. I understood how some felt let down by TBP.
We fans often purchase a band's 1st EP or full length cd and expect them to keep that same sound and image forever.
That's simply an unrealistic expectation on the fans' part.
Most bands evolve. They grow up. They change. They experiment. If they don't, they're left behind.
MCR is still a very young band in terms of musical output. This is only their 4th cd.
They are much too young a band to be locked into any sound. I think it's wonderful that they choose to experiment a little.
I say that as a person who never felt that MCR was out there trying to save the world. Come on. Let's get real. No musicians form bands to save the world. They play music because they want to play music. Period.
And, whether the audience sees and feels it or not, music is art.
MCR is making art. They've always made art. Along with every other band and musician out there.
Kudos to them for mixing some new shades of old primary colors. I find it refreshing. :)
MCR's next tour is going to be filled with young girls with red hair, wearing brightly coloured outfits, shooting toy guns into the air. Must be fun to watch.
Here's my 2 cents on the trailer they posted:
# 1: I can tolerate the music, it wasn't as bad as i expected.
# 2: Their new concept is ridiculous. 30-something men dressed in Akira jackets, carrying toy guns in some post-apocalyptic world setting? Fuck, even my middle-school siblings think its stupid.
For anyone who wondered why Bob left the band, your question was answered.
I imagine it went down somewhat like this-
Gerard - "Hey guys, I was thinking we should trash what we have recorded and do this thing as the Killjoys (insert rambling ripped-off storyline). You know all post-apacolyptic, end of the world party and shit. We'll dress the part and use ray-guns and everything. Whatcha think?"
Bob - "I'm outta here. I'm a musician. I won't dress up like another one of your characters. It's embarrassing. I just wanna play the drums in a rock band."
It's time for My Mindless Chemical Indulgence, guys.
The notion of this being post-apocalyptic yet so filled with color makes it seem like anime to me. So yeah, anime fans will probably consider it art.
I have a bit of a problem with the bad guys in their starched white coats and the guys with technicolor hair, rayguns and leather jackets in a post-apocalyptic world. Yeah, you can tell me it's fantasy all you want, but to me it just looks like something that's straight out of a Saturday morning cartoon. I grew out of those a long time ago.
Some fans will love it, I'm sure. Others will pretend to love it for a while then go off and find other, more mature bands to listen to like I did with TBP.
I suppose the only thing that matters is whether or not the band is happy with it. Something tells me they'll be trashing it in a few years, but that's nothing new.
MCR's next tour is going to be filled with young girls with red hair, wearing brightly coloured outfits, shooting toy guns into the air.
I agree and coming from a guy who was swearing at kids in the audience over having glow sticks just a couple of years ago, this seems a little strange.
I think it's time most of us realize that this band isn't for us anymore. It's still for those 13-16 year old kids who find this type of thing cool. We just need to move on.
The fans don't even seem to be listening to the song. They're just watching the video and going OOOOH PRETTY!
That and they haven't heard anything from the band in awhile so of course they are going to be excited. We will see how the songs stand on their own, without all of the auto tune and visuals.
NA NANANA NANANANANANA!!!
Suggit.
That's exactly how that petty immature scumbag GW would think.
There is nothing worse than a two-faced liar who gets feels validated by hurting others.
^who feels
You almost feel sorry for the short-comings in their own personality because no matter what material gains they make it's no substitute for personal happiness.
I still believe there are good (not perfect) people in this world who really care for others.
To do something deliberately knowing it would inflame others is a hallmark of immaturity.
oh please, don't get dramatical.
how does this video/concept equal "hurting others"?
and "to do something deliberately knowing it would inflame others" is not simply a "hallmark of immaturity", it's what artists do. provoking a reaction of people and audiences is the very core of art. and of course some of these reactions will be negative. in fact, the negative reactions are the most interesting ones, as they are most memorable.
it's what artists do. provoking a reaction of people and audiences is the very core of art. and of course some of these reactions will be negative. in fact, the negative reactions are the most interesting ones, as they are most memorable.
I'm an artist I provoke reactions blah, blah. Then stupid idiots artists should not be telling their critics to 'go fuck themselves' or 'suck it' if they get interesting reactions. Oh, but they're aren't immature. Wait.
To do something deliberately knowing it would inflame others is a hallmark of immaturity.
Oh, like this blog?
Bingo, chief!
To do something deliberately knowing it would inflame others is a hallmark of immaturity.
Especially if it reinforces stereotypical prejudices while using the excuse of being an 'artist'. More like self-absorbed immature fools who couldn't work in any other field. e.g. MSI.
but artists are not infailible and certainly not almighty. are they not allowed to disagree with reactions they provoke?
Oh, like this blog?
Bingo, chief!
Hey if they have 'personas' to spew their bullshit, I guess we can too. Only fair.
but artists are not infailible and certainly not almighty. are they not allowed to disagree with reactions they provoke?
How logical is that? I can be as outrageous as I like to provoke a reaction, but don't dare criticize me . They should toughen up.
The thing that makes me question Gerard's integrity the most is the fact that so many people who used to be close to him seem to bear grudges against him now: Brian, Bert McCracken, Matt Pellisier, and now even Bob (who apparently made some comment to a fan about being tired of working with "divas").
I can't help but think that people who get too close to him are risking getting burned.
Gerard and Co. can do whatever they damn well want with their so-called "art" and it doesn't affect me at all. What bothers me is the lies and the pretense of caring about fans and certain social issues that they obviously don't really give a fuck about but were just milking in order to sell some records.
He seems to drive people away when they get too close to him.
i didn't say that artists shoudln't be prepared for the reactions they get when tehy put their art out there for the world to see.
I said, however, that it is their right to react to said reactions again.
what you might find "outrageous" could be considered boring or even innovative by others.
but just like you can find someone's art "immature", they can disagree with your perception.
again, art is about the reaction to it. no matter whose.
I said, however, that it is their right to react to said reactions again.
Again, we can react to their reactions.
I think the retweet from jeffreyPereira on Brian's twitter pretty much says it all.
I think Brian has Gerard figured out to a T.
exactly. :)
but just like you can find someone's art "immature", they can disagree with your perception.
again, art is about the reaction to it. no matter whose.
An artist openly encourages reactions, knowing they could be either good or bad. Hopping on a website to pronounce proudly to her critics to 'go suck it' IS matter how you try to justify it a)immature b) unprofessional.
i didn't say that artists shoudln't be prepared for the reactions they get when tehy put their art out there for the world to see.
I said, however, that it is their right to react to said reactions again.
Traditionally artists react to criticism of their art by not reacting to it. They show the world that they believe in their art by letting it stand on its own. That's the classy thing to do.
If an artist has to defend his own art from critics, he comes off as insecure and immature.
well, what do you expect them to do? cower and apologize in advance? if you put art out there, you have to stand behind it, because it is YOUR art, it is a part of who you are (in the best case). how can you apologize for it beforehand?
telling people to "suck it" (where do they do that, btw?) seems to be a part of their image anyway. i wouldn*t take this particluar vernacular too literally. but that's just me.
That's sad, though I know it's a form of emotional protection.
well, what do you expect them to do? cower and apologize in advance? if you put art out there, you have to stand behind it, because it is YOUR art, it is a part of who you are (in the best case). how can you apologize for it beforehand?
I just answered that. They should do like thousands and thousands of artists before them and take the high road and let the art stand on its own.
Can you imagine Van Gogh telling people, "Oh but this is a good painting. Let me tell you why..."?? Or "It's art. If you don't like it, suck it." ??
Seriously. They act like classless morons. People are not going to take them seriously.
well, what do you expect them to do? cower and apologize in advance? if you put art out there, you have to stand behind it, because it is YOUR art, it is a part of who you are (in the best case). how can you apologize for it beforehand?
What a load of bull. Another way of saying I'm too sensitive to criticism, anyone who criticizes my work is criticizing me
Traditionally artists react to criticism of their art by not reacting to it. They show the world that they believe in their art by letting it stand on its own. That's the classy thing to do.
not necessarily. you don't have to ignore reactions just to be taken seriously. where does it say that you cannot react to people criticizing your art? how does entering a dialogue about your own art make you "unprofessional"?
I just answered that. They should do like thousands and thousands of artists before them and take the high road and let the art stand on its own.
Can you imagine Van Gogh telling people, "Oh but this is a good painting. Let me tell you why..."?? Or "It's art. If you don't like it, suck it." ??
Seriously. They act like classless morons. People are not going to take them seriously.
This!!
MCR has no class. You can't expect them to take the high road. I doubt they would know the high road if they saw it.
Another way of saying I'm too sensitive to criticism, anyone who criticizes my work is criticizing me
where does the previous statement say anything about someone being "too sensitive to criticism"?
how does entering a dialogue about your own art make you "unprofessional"?
How is telling people to 'go suck it' entering a dialogue? Try saying that in any other profession.
Can you imagine Van Gogh telling people, "Oh but this is a good painting. Let me tell you why..."?? Or "It's art. If you don't like it, suck it." ??
how do you know he didn't do that?
Oh, I feel quite certain that artists through the ages have always told their critics to "go suck it."
/sarcasm
Another way of saying I'm too sensitive to criticism, anyone who criticizes my work is criticizing me
where does the previous statement say anything about someone being "too sensitive to criticism"?
That's exactly what they are. Too sensitive to criticism.
How is telling people to 'go suck it' entering a dialogue? Try saying that in any other profession.
i meant "entering a dialogue" in the broadest sense where any form of communication with a speaker and a recipient can be considered a dialogue.
and again, i honestly don't know when any of them ever said that. care to enlighten me?
Oh, I feel quite certain that artists through the ages have always told their critics to "go suck it."
no need for sarcasm here. I am actually pretty sure many of the best artists did not care for mainstream approval.
no need for sarcasm here. I am actually pretty sure many of the best artists did not care for mainstream approval.
Well then that excludes Lindsey Ballato and Gerard Way.
i meant "entering a dialogue" in the broadest sense where any form of communication with a speaker and a recipient can be considered a dialogue.
and again, i honestly don't know when any of them ever said that. care to enlighten me?
Communication with that moron? Yeah.
Are you really unfamiliar with the debate over the questionable taste of the JFK photo and Lindsey's oh-so-eloquent response to fans who asked her about it when she posted it as her twitter background?
Lol. Or Gerard's angry rant about people in "pointy shoes"? What was it he said, "Pointy shoe motherfuckers"?
Did anybody ever figure out just what the hell he was talking about there?
I can't wait to see his reaction to the teens with glow sticks who come to their shows with this new shtick they have going.
i am not familiar with lindsey's art, but i don't think gerard or mcr think too much about what society expects from them as artists or musician. they might have stuck to their previous idea of a record if they did. i am sure they are aware that the new concept is sure to provoke a lot of confused faces.
MCR has no class. You can't expect them to take the high road. I doubt they would know the high road if they saw it.
You always get back what you put out.
i am not familiar with lindsey's art, but i don't think gerard or mcr think too much about what society expects from them as artists or musician. they might have stuck to their previous idea of a record if they did. i am sure they are aware that the new concept is sure to provoke a lot of confused faces.
For teenagers. There is nothing new in this concept.
Are you really unfamiliar with the debate over the questionable taste of the JFK photo and Lindsey's oh-so-eloquent response to fans who asked her about it when she posted it as her twitter background?
i know the picture, but i don't read lindsey's twitter, so yes, i am unfamiliar with that debate. but thanks for enlightening me about that, finally.
There is nothing new in this concept.
there doesn't have to be! as long as it's executed well (and we have yet to see about that), who cares if it's new? there is nothing in the world of art which hasn't been stolen or lifted off someone else's work. kings of leon are not "new". lady gaga is not "new". virtually nothing and no one is.
there has not been ONE movie or song in the last decades that was not imitating or referencing anyone else's work. there cannot be such a thing, it's impossible.
art does not have to be "new". it should touch people and make them think. that's all.
I agree that art doesn't have to be new. I agree that it should touch people and make them think. And maybe, just maybe, four guys dressed in snazzy neon bright jackets with brightly colored hair shooting neon colored ray guns at people in starched white coats wearing latex masks in some post-apocalyptic world (where the mega-watt colors of their polka-dotted tights or the freshly laundered brightness of their Clorox whites is not obscured by all the dust) will touch some people deeply and make them think.
Me? Not so much.
Lol. It does kind of sound like a Clorox commercial.
Even post apocalyptic dust can't touch your whitest whites with Clorox! And for your brightest spandex be sure to try Clorox 2 for colors!
'Art is the weapon'. What a wank. Another way of trying to integrate that imbecile wife and her band in his band.
*g
nice description. it doesn't have to touch you, i am sure they can live with that.
some people say that christo and jeanne-claude's art is pointless and it doesn't touch them, as they do not understand it (for those not familiar, they are wrapping buildings and landmarks in cloth, thus making them appear in a different "light".) others say they are visionaries. personally, i am not touched by their work as well, but i don't blame anyone who is.
art does not have to be "new". it should touch people and make them think. that's all.
It will touch all the hardcore MCR fans and bring a whole new set of prepubescent girls following them.
Another way of trying to integrate that imbecile wife and her band in his band.
just curious: what do you mean? i always got the impression that gerard is partial to these kind of slogans himself anyway. how is he trying to integrate his wife and her band by using this one?
It will touch all the hardcore MCR fans and bring a whole new set of prepubescent girls following them.
and what's wrong with that?
I think a debate over artistic merit is pointless here. Art is in the eye of the beholder and will always be a subjective thing.
Nothing, considering that's all what's it about for him: money.
that gerard is partial to these kind of slogans himself anyway.
Pull the other leg.
It will touch all the hardcore MCR fans and bring a whole new set of prepubescent girls following them.
and what's wrong with that?
There's nothing wrong with that. It will certainly keep paying their mortgages and feeding their kids, which is probably all they want out of it at this point anyway.
I think a debate over artistic merit is pointless here. Art is in the eye of the beholder and will always be a subjective thing.
true, art is a subjective thing. but this discussion is part of the very raison d'etre of this blog. i, for one, am very interested in your opinions.
There's nothing wrong with that. It will certainly keep paying their mortgages and feeding their kids, which is probably all they want out of it at this point anyway.
Seems to me their wives should be contributing to paying their mortgages and feeding their kids instead of persisting with worthless art shows.
Pull the other leg.
care to elaborate?
Seems to me their wives should be contributing to paying their mortgages and feeding their kids instead of persisting with worthless art shows.
I don't care for either Alicia or Lindsey, but honestly, I feel that how they conduct their private life and finances is none of our business.
Lindsey did go to art school and she seems serious about this art thing. I don't see how we can tag her art show as "worthless" having not seen the work she is contributing to it.
I don't see how we can tag her art show as "worthless" having not seen the work she is contributing to it.
i agree. and another thing: why do the wives have to contribute? maybe they have some sort of agreement, and if they can afford it, then who are you to judge?
I personally would not want to be supported by a man, but most artists would jump at the chance to have the financial support to do their very own art show. I don't begrudge Lindsey that at all.
Lindsey did go to art school and she seems serious about this art thing. I don't see how we can tag her art show as "worthless" having not seen the work she is contributing to it.
I've heard this rant before. If she was so serious about this art thing she would have persisted with it instead of joining a joke band.
I personally would not want to be supported by a man, but most artists would jump at the chance to have the financial support to do their very own art show. I don't begrudge Lindsey that at all.
I do. She is a hypocrite plain and simple.
why do the wives have to contribute
They don't. My mom was a stay at home mom for 12 years while my brother and I were little. She says she is very grateful for that time.
It wouldn't be the life I would choose and I know my mom had to put up with some crap from my dad that she wouldn't have if she'd been more financially independent, but it's the life she chose and she was happy with it.
Although she's happier now that she's working and more self-sufficient.
She is a hypocrite plain and simple.
well, assuming she is not contributing financially (but i doubt that, since her band must have made some sort of money), i don't see why she shouldn't concentrate on her art, if she can. if i had the chance to devote my time to my art, and my husband was fine with it, then why shouldn't i?
care to elaborate
He's not to be taken seriously in any context.
(but i doubt that, since her band must have made some sort of money)
I doubt it. If her fool husband is happy to support her it's their business though it doesn't make her any less of a hypocrite.
Lindsey has been making "art" for years, but she couldn't devote all her time to it because she did have to eat. I hate MSI and don't approve of the way she did support herself, but I don't see how you can judge her art if you haven't seen it.
though it doesn't make her any less of a hypocrite.
i'm sorry, i don't get it. what is hypocritical about her behaviour? did she ever claim not to concentrate on her art and not contribute financially? did she ever pretend to be someone she is not?
Lindsey has been making "art" for years, but she couldn't devote all her time to it because she did have to eat. I hate MSI and don't approve of the way she did support herself, but I don't see how you can judge her art if you haven't seen it.
What a load of crap.
I am just seriously Kasu (remember? A brief couple-of-months stint here?) is flailing over this on her LJ. Wow, she REALLY took us to heart, JUST like she said she would! /sarcasm
did she ever pretend to be someone she is not?
Mrs feminism 2008.
Mrs feminism 2008.
i have not followed your discussion on feminism on here in detail, but as far as i am aware, concentrating on your art while your husband makes the money and is perfectly fine with it does not necessarily discredit a woman as a feminist.
You are disgusting. Lie your way through your life.
is that your comeback?
how am i "disgusting"? how am i "lying my way through my life"?
insulting me is not making those statements any more comprehensible.
gtfo
stay at Mayo's don't come here
so who is "immature" now?
i am simply asking valid questions and all you can come back with is "gtfo". yet you complain about lindsey telling you to "suck it" when you criticize her.
what is mayo's?
you're an asshole
liar
oh please.
i am calling you out and asking you questions about your opinion. i have never once attacked you personally and i will not stoop that low. the fact that you insult me now that you have a chance to validate your reasoning is really disappointing.
again, who is "immature" now? and why are you not simply explaining to me what you are talking about?
and what have i been lying about?
i will not stoop that low
no, you do it indirectly
no, you do it indirectly
how? by asking you to back up your statements? that's not insulting, that's what a discussion is about.
GET THE FUCK OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
why? you're not forced to argue with me if you're not up to it. there's no reason to overreact like this.
wife ass kisser
huh?
now i'm a "wife ass kisser"? i don't even care for lindsey, if that's what you mean.
but can you seriously not back up your previous statements? are they simply void claims? then why do you make them in the first place?
wife ass kisser
like i said before, insulting me does not make those statements any more comprehensible.
Anon at 3.33pm, where is this from?
and now even Bob (who apparently made some comment to a fan about being tired of working with "divas").
Link please?
Jessica it's pointless trying to defend Lindsey here.
if you're referring to me - my name is not jessica. and i am not particularly defending lindsey, i don't know enough about her to do that. like i said before, i don't even care about her that much. i was simply asking a few questions about things i didn't understand here and entering a discussion.
how prophetic die with your mask on
only it's getting tatty
it doesn't work that way anymore
just wait and see
i was simply asking a few questions about things i didn't understand here and entering a discussion
Sorry you were given such a lousy reception. I was here talking to you earlier (I'm the one who made the remarks about the shiny clean post-apocalyptic world) but had to leave and it looks like you got stuck with one of the the "I hate Lindsey, she's the root of all evil" anons.
Not all of us think like that. We may not like Lindsey or her band but we don't blame Gerard's behavior on her. He's a grown man and he makes his own choices.
Yeah, I think Lindsey is an idiot and I hated her fake feminism, fake role model bullshit, but my dislike for MCR is based on Gerard's and Frank's actions, not Lindsey's.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
gtfo
September 18, 2010 5:04 PM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
stay at Mayo's don't come here
September 18, 2010 5:05 PM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
so who is "immature" now?
i am simply asking valid questions and all you can come back with is "gtfo". yet you complain about lindsey telling you to "suck it" when you criticize her.
This makes me think that you ARE from Mayo's and you wrote those "GTFO / go back to Mayo's" notes to yourself, just so you could say "wah wah, the people at VV's are so mean, they told me to go away!!!1111"
Because you've done that before, haven't you? Quite a few times.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
GET THE FUCK OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
September 18, 2010 5:21 PM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
why? you're not forced to argue with me if you're not up to it. there's no reason to overreact like this.
September 18, 2010 5:26 PM
And this is you, talking to yourself.
Which one are you? I think OPL.
Sorry you were given such a lousy reception.
Trust me on this, as an old-timer to these blogs: She gave herself that reception. They did that all the time at Mayo's, attacking themselves and then pretending it was someone else to try to discredit them.
The OPs were the biggest ones for doing that and they got caught at it quite a few times.
I call Mayo Troll on this one.
She was probably the same person who came in here with the "Lindsey is a hypocrite" crap as well. It didn't have anything to do with the conversation and just came out of nowhere.
When we try to have a reasonable discussion with these people they can't deal so they start acting like haters. Anything to discredit us.
I hate Lindsey, she's the root of all evil" anons.
No she's an idiot. Gerard is a different story.
No she's an idiot. Gerard is a different story.
Both of them are idiots. They deserve each other.
God, if I read the term "shaking and crying" one more time...
I realize it's meant to be funny, but it got fucking old around the time The Dark Knight was out and people were "shaking and crying" over Heath Ledger's performance. And with MCR's crazy ass fans it rings a little bit too true. I bet some of them really are shaking and crying.
I'm too old for this shit.
Yes they do. They both use people.
One's stupid the other callous and cruel.
Self-centered and lacking a soul.
die with your mask on
a coward
meant "entering a dialogue" in the broadest sense where any form of communication with a speaker and a recipient can be considered a dialogue.
A dialogue is a conversation between people. A one sentence reaction does not entail a conversation and is certainly not a dialogue.
as i am aware, concentrating on your art while your husband makes the money and is perfectly fine with it does not necessarily discredit a woman as a feminist.
That's like saying I'm a feminist, but I'm going to do the traditional girl thing and leave my husband to support me because it's all too hard and he is the man, while I go and do this little ol' art thing
Feminism 1958 style.
So it's okay to be a "feminist" when you feel like it.
And get pregnant when it suits you too.
Since when was *life a symptom*? Fucking morons.
Dumb gay fuck/.
i am simply asking valid questions and all you can come back with is "gtfo". yet you complain about lindsey telling you to "suck it" when you criticize her.
"Suck it" was directed the the MCR fans that were deluging her twitter with responses, not to anyone here.
7:36 and 7:37pm
How can you possibly know who an anon is and where they are from? At the best only VV, with the use of a stat tracker, can determine where a person is from. Any one else claiming they know who is behind an anon comment must be hellishly psychic.
Grow up.
How can you possibly know who an anon is and where they are from? At the best only VV, with the use of a stat tracker, can determine where a person is from. Any one else claiming they know who is behind an anon comment must be hellishly psychic.
thank you. i am the one asking the questions and being told to "gtfo" earlier. i have certainly not been talking to myself (why would i do that anyway?) and i still don't know what "mayo's" is and have nothing to do with that.
i have never commented on here before that, my questions were simply sparked by some statements made here that i wanted to understand. i did not want to "discredit" you. however, most of them are still incomprehensible to me, and i guess it will stay that way.
as for my stance on feminism:
That's like saying I'm a feminist, but I'm going to do the traditional girl thing and leave my husband to support me because it's all too hard and he is the man, while I go and do this little ol' art thing
please do not twist my words. i said that there is nothing wrong with two partners agreeing on a way to sustain themselves that does not necessarily involve both of them earning money. if gerard and lindsey have such an agreement, then why should you criticize her or him for it?
the same goes for gerard, by the way. if he was to stay at home and work on his art, while lindsey was out and earn the money, you would criticize her for leaving her kid at home, yet the principle's the same.
don't confuse feminism with distinguishing oneself from others. women and men should be equal and have the same rights, that's what my understanding of feminism is about. if yours is not, then please don't assume that for everyone.
A dialogue is a conversation between people. A one sentence reaction does not entail a conversation and is certainly not a dialogue.
i have to disagree. a "dialogue" is first and foremost an exchange between two people. a statement and a reaction to it equal such an exchange and can thus be called a "dialogue".
"Suck it" was directed the the MCR fans that were deluging her twitter with responses, not to anyone here.
duly noted, yet some people on here are offended obviously. my point still stands - don't criticize her for doing something and then go and do it yourself.
Apparently, the new MCR world tour is gonna be called "The World Contamination Tour"
Oh, so hardcore. (/sarcasm)
duly noted, yet some people on here are offended obviously. my point still stands - don't criticize her for doing something and then go and do it yourself.
The regular people who comment on this blog do not attack people in that manner. I'm guessing it was someone trying to discredit this blog. However the criticisms of Lindsey are still valid.
i have to disagree. a "dialogue" is first and foremost an exchange between two people. a statement and a reaction to it equal such an exchange and can thus be called a "dialogue"
Totally disagree with your interpretation.
please do not twist my words. i said that there is nothing wrong with two partners agreeing on a way to sustain themselves that does not necessarily involve both of them earning money. if gerard and lindsey have such an agreement, then why should you criticize her or him for it?
the same goes for gerard, by the way. if he was to stay at home and work on his art, while lindsey was out and earn the money, you would criticize her for leaving her kid at home, yet the principle's the same.
If that is really happening, though no one knows only those closest to them.
don't confuse feminism with distinguishing oneself from others. women and men should be equal and have the same rights, that's what my understanding of feminism is about. if yours is not, then please don't assume that for everyone.
I never read the comment that way. I thought they meant that a woman cannot say she represents something then sinks back into a traditional role. You don't know if Gerard approves, most of the men I know find themselves as providers with little say.
Apparently, the new MCR world tour is gonna be called "The World Contamination Tour"
Where did you get this information?
if he was to stay at home and work on his art, while lindsey was out and earn the money, you would criticize her for leaving her kid at home, yet the principle's the same.
Sorry I don't know if you are part of the music industry but most people in the real working world already juggle this arrangement. And the majority of women work part time with an infant. She has it easy.
You don't know if Gerard approves, most of the men I know find themselves as providers with little say.
neither do you, which is why criticism of this behaviour is practically impossible. just because "most of the men you know" act that way, gerard does not have to be such a man.
i am not trying to defend lindsey, i am just saying that you shouldn't base your criticism on something you have no knowledge about. as the user before you commented:
If that is really happening, though no one knows only those closest to them.
and no one else has to.
She has it easy.
true, she might. but what of it? what do you expect her to do?
There is always speculation and they will never escape it. The way they present themselves has a lot to do with it. They have to get used to it, and you will never stop the criticism no matter how much of your logic you try to employ.
Where did you get this information?
mcr.com.
And people are entitled to their opinions whether you like them or not.
true, she might. but what of it? what do you expect her to do?
What a silly comment.
What a silly comment.
why is that a silly comment?
And people are entitled to their opinions whether you like them or not.
they definitely are. but they should be able to back them up when they publish them, otherwise it's just polemic and they will never escape criticism, just like anyone in the spotlight cannot escape speculation.
What they work out is between them. If he is happy to have full financial responsibility what can you say to that. Nothing.
it's just polemic and they will never escape criticism
No one is stopping that.
neither do you, which is why criticism of this behaviour is practically impossible. just because "most of the men you know" act that way, gerard does not have to be such a man.
I didn't say they "act" that way. I meant they found themselves bearing most of the financial burden when they thought their wives would go back to work. It happens, women change their minds for whatever reason and men find it difficult to argue with their wives.
No one is stopping that.
well, since i have started posting here, i have been insulted, numerous people have told me my comments and questions were "silly" or answered them with one-liners that lacked any substance. only very few were able to make their point of view clear. i have been told to "gtfo" or give up, because logic was not possible here.
i think it's safe to assume that criticism of polemic is not necessarily tolerated here.
It happens, women change their minds for whatever reason and men find it difficult to argue with their wives.
yes, and some people like dogs and others like cats. still doesn't mean that this applies to someone you don't even know, like lindsey and gerard, that's all i'm trying to say.
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